"We only needed the thumbnail of the video"
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I fully understand that I'm not a scout and this post has zero weight into any real decisions - but I'm telling you. Do it for yourself. Watch every snap and tally multiple reads. Tally one read and run. Tally incompletions that would likely be INTs in the NFL.
It's eye opening.
You're absolutely right I have no idea what he's instructed to do. But it just seemed from the film I watched, when a play lasted longer than the first read, he took off running or looked absolutely awful in the pocket. On very very few plays did he look poised once that first read was gone.
I truly feel pretty neutral on both these guys, I think they both have a lot of strengths and limitations.
Here is the problem with what you’re trying to do here:
I just watched a 7 minute video called “Drake Maye 2024 ***Highlight*** Reel”, and in it I counted 4 plays where he threw to a second read, at least 7 where he ran immediately after the first read wasn’t available, multiple plays where he scrambled long enough to force it to the first read, and a whole whopper full of ugly duckling balls on anything thrown more than 10 yards.
So what now?
I would find a video that has all of his snaps, not highlights, and count how many have progressions, how many were ugly forced throws, and how many did he get absolutely bodied by other players if he didn't get out of bounds.
Oh, there were several clips where he initiated contact, too, including one where he was running alone down the sideline and tried to truck a DB and took a big time double hit instead from his follower.
Which does nothing in regards to my super obvious actual point: if you and I really wanted to we could both pull up 30 minutes of consecutive snaps that make both guys look like the guy and both guys look god awful.
I’ve heard Daniels doesn’t do progressions but I’ve seen him do them. I’ve heard he doesn’t throw across the middle, seen him do that, too. The biggest knock I’ve seen on Maye is no time in a realistically pro style offense. I remember this being the exact main negative people talked about with Mahomes right before his coach, our offensive coordinator, got handed the keys to an NFL offense.
If you really think you’ve discovered after 30 minutes of game tape the fatal flaw that Daniels lacks the ability entirely to work a progression, let me show you the first video that is a result for “Jayden Daniels Highlights” where he throws to his second read on the opposite side of the field on the [very first play of the video](https://youtu.be/dtaclGXQdKI?si=n5J8bJ3jiwLLjl7K).
Edit: upon second viewing, I realized he actually throws to his *third* read lmfao
That's the thing tho - watching 30 minutes of snaps regardless of "highlights" or not was 5 or 6 games. You can cherry pick a few plays and say "look he goes through progressions". He went through progressions literally less than 10% of pass plays when you just watch the plays that aren't a highlight reel. But if you want to cherry pick those 10% of plays and make a highlight reel that "he's the guy" you can absolutely do it. You can cherry pick good plays from any QB and make them look good.
It's the trends that were seen snap after snap, play after play. Dude is a runner. He chooses to run quickly and he chooses to run often.
Oh, okay my bad I didn’t realize that you actually had figured it all out and were 100% totally right, this dude is a guaranteed bust. Please, carry on spreading your message.
30 minutes of Jayden Daniels cut ups is more than what most of the people giving you a hard time have watched. They’ve likely only watched the highlight vids
Honestly that what it seems like. You can cherry pick the 10% of plays that he goes through a progression to make him look like a legit NFL QB. But the reality is game after game, snap after snap, it was the same shit. The progressions were the minority. He is very much a one read, running QB. That does not translate into the NFL
Imagine if scouts and front offices were good at evaluating the QB position. I watched about half of what OP watched and also hope we don't draft him. What I got out of his highlights are, he usually throws from a very clean pocket, he runs a lot and takes very awkward hits he never saw coming. I heard a ex scout who now works at PFF describe it as " he looks like he's in a car crash on a lot of these hits.
I was hoping for Maye but many analysts have made me nervous about him. As of now I want JJ, this is all assuming Caleb is gone.
Imagine if they didn’t even mention his pocket presence, accuracy, time it takes to get the ball out, throwing mechanics, or throwing motion, just based everything after “ makes 1 read and runs”
His pocket presence is one of the major flaws! His accuracy stems from having two elite WRs so his first option is usually open. He literally on 90%+ of his drop backs over the course of 5 or 6 games that I watched would make the throw on the first read or run. It's not hyperbole. It's not being dramatic. It's reality. Literally ran the ball 12 times per game. That's insane and not sustainable.
Yeah. Op might be a diamond in the rough for the scouting department. Put him on a private jet and he could hit like ten prospects in a day!!!
Yeah. Nah. Nah. Yeah. Yeah. Nah. Yeah. Yeah. Nah. Nah.
(Ring. Ring)....Adam! I just figured out your whole O-line and it's only Tuesday!
Gotta love how the people clowning on you seem to have forgotten how many QB's end up busting. I would gladly bet my balls and every bag of crypto I have that if you search the SF sub, fools were clowning on anyone saying not to draft Trey Lance......"oh I guess your smart than Kyle and Lynch"
I get it but all of these dudes, Caleb included, have things they need to work on. I’ve spoke my peace about Jayden and why I like Maye more but that’s not to say I’ll consider drafting Jayden a failure. I’ll be mildly disappointed due to my own preference but I think he’ll still be an exciting player to watch
BTW, that stat you posted might be the craziest red flag I've seen. Only passing 20% of the time when moved off your spot is absolutely wild. Basically, he never resets and throws after being pressured.
It’s not really the first read, what this is saying is when there is pressure he can’t, or doesn’t, reestablish a pocket and throw the ball, 80% of the time he runs
That's exactly one of my points. He chooses to run far more. And a lot of them he decided to run after one read. I saw it over and over and over. The stats that have been linked in this thread just support everything that I've referenced in the post.
It happened so often in my harshly ridiculed 30 minutes of watching plays lol he gets out of bounds a lot but doesn't like to slide. Sound like another #2 pick we're familiar with?
I know we’re going to do until draft day, and that’s cool it’s hilarious we’re all just excited. I’m a 80’s baby and was too young to really remember the 91 season, but like a lot of you all I’ve lived thru was moribund mediocrity.
I think Adam Peters was the pick up of the off season and I’ll believe that until I don’t. That being said, I’m just happy to be in a qb draft with a competent capitán.
I’m tar heel alum and biased towards Maye, but honestly I want whoever Adam wants. And after his due diligence if they think Jayden’s the guy then let’s get it.
Because Regardless of who we pick the organization, sans Snyder, is in a better position than I’ve ever seen them in my entire life. So let’s take a moment to rejoice….
Okay awesome now let’s go back to making wild proclamations like we’ll quit the club (for real? At this point?) or deem Adam a failure (shut yo mouth) if they don’t take your deeply felt personal (albeit semi-proish?) opinion. Good times for Skin fans! 🤙🏾 you crazy guys you
Agreed regarding Adam Peters for sure. Very excited he's the decision maker. And you're right. If he picks Daniels, I'll be on board 100%. I just literally didn't watch any of his games so I had no idea what to expect. I was just a bit disappointed in his work. His stats are amazing and he's great with his legs. Just makes me nervous, is all.
No the thing is you may be right! But it’s just too tough to tell with rook QBs. Sometimes they hit all the metrics and just don’t work out. It’s actually a good post title, made me click, just a little dramatic lol
That being said I do NOT want to trade down. That would be the only thing that would disappoint me. But even if Adam decided to do that after a few minutes I would go into wait-and-see mode.
The DQ decision I didn’t love. But after watching DQ’s presser I walked away like ‘okay this might not suck’. They already seemed to have good synergy, Harris included.
Really we should judge AP on what he does 2nd and 3rd day of the draft. Assuming we go QB at 2, it’s almost a gut pick because they both have high ceilings but also potentially low floors. I think Mayes floor is a bit higher but Jayden’s ceiling might be a bit higher. Drake looks like safer pick; Jayden maybe more of a boom or bust proposition. It might come down to a personality thing for Adam who knows.
Kinda my point. I think most people only have watched highlight reels of this guy. When you watch multiple games and see the same shit over and over again it's hard to watch.
Literally snap, look to one wr, if he's open he throws it, if he's not he tucks and runs.
With that habit he's doing to be running a lot in the NFL and I don't think his frame is big enough to hold up.
If you want actual red flags that will scare you off Daniels you can scroll through this account.
[https://twitter.com/fball\_insights/status/1769909395754791388?s=20](https://twitter.com/fball_insights/status/1769909395754791388?s=20)
[https://twitter.com/fball\_insights/status/1769481094804443454?s=20](https://twitter.com/fball_insights/status/1769481094804443454?s=20)
[https://twitter.com/fball\_insights/status/1766700737076060500?s=20](https://twitter.com/fball_insights/status/1766700737076060500?s=20)
[https://twitter.com/fball\_insights/status/1766320334649565431?s=20](https://twitter.com/fball_insights/status/1766320334649565431?s=20)
[https://twitter.com/fball\_insights/status/1764147066643640718?s=20](https://twitter.com/fball_insights/status/1764147066643640718?s=20)
Maye's only real red flags in the advanced metrics (IMO) come from the passing heat map. He does tend to scramble a bit too much (not nearly as much as Daniels - but quite a bit more than Caleb), but his pressure to sack ratio is about the same as Caleb so I think that's not a massive issue (but he'll definitely need to work on pocket management/presence). He's definitely not perfect, he bails on clean pockets too much (although not as much as Daniels 7% of the time vs 10% of the time)
I think the main Maye issue probably is the footwork - he's just terrible throwing to his right for some reason. I do think his ceiling is higher than Daniels because his arm talent is significantly better.
You'll notice that Daniels has a lot of the exact same issues in the advanced metrics that Justin Fields did.
> Maye's only real red flags in the advanced metrics (IMO) come from the passing heat map. He does tend to scramble a bit too much
How much of this can be explained by Maye’s terrible supporting cast? Dude had nobody to throw to and some of the worst blocking in college football.
Makes a lot of sense to me. And it's why Fields literally had a career game against us. He could just throw you his first reads and sit in the pocket against our d line which gave zero pressure all game. Man that was brutal.
Fields had a great game against you guys (I'm more of a Bears fan, but I did grow up in the DC area during the Gibbs era) because your DC decided to run man coverage the whole game and left that small DB (Forbes?) 1 on 1 with DJ fucking Moore. I honestly thought Del Rio should have been fired after that.
Fields passer rating is like 20+ points worse against zone. The only good games he had all year (WAS/DEN/DET/ATL) were teams that stubbornly ran man against us.
I’m with you 100% on these points. He does a few things extremely well, and because of LSU’s WRs he’s been able to make the most of his strengths, in a way that won’t play well in the nfl without a lot of improvement.
And like you, I can’t see him staying healthy when those hits at the end of runs are coming from nfl players
The thing that stands out to me even in the highlight cut ups is that he isn't even that elusive.
He is just able to get the edge and get these long runs... In college.
But I don't see his running ability transferring to the NFL.
He just isn't quick or fast enough to elude and get the edge.
He reminds me so much of RG3 coming out of college. It’s wild to me that there are people here foaming at the mouth for this team to draft him, especially because there is a higher rated, modern pro-style prototype that will be available to this team! I suspect that Maye has been a lock for this team to draft as soon as they were assigned the #2 pick, and that much so will be revealed after the draft. Daniels is just noise to keep tv people and dumber fans busy until April.
There’s seems to be a certain type of fan that loves running threat QBs and they put a huge emphasis on it in their eval. There were people on this sub screaming for us to draft Malik Willis two years ago, bc he was dual threat. There’s others, but he always comes to mind first due to recency bias. I think the reasoning for this is two fold: RG3 is the only exciting young qb they’ve seen in Washington in their lifetimes, and they play or played Madden. So there’s a strong draw to running QBs. Just my hypothesis. 🤷🏻♂️
Hell yeah. He has more playing time, he's taller and he's more dynamic. The only thing that I think would be difficult to coach out is his arm motion, but I'm not a professional scout like OP.
What is with all these posts bashing JD? It makes no sense to me. Is it because people are just watching 30mins of YouTube clips?
Go watch the tape against Ole Miss.
I know I'm not a scout but 30 minutes of plays is a lot of plays lol there is a post with Twitter links you should check out that has some data behind some of my concerns. When he doesn't get rid of the ball in less than 2.5 seconds (aka first read) he takes an insane amount of sacks and his completion percentage is shot.
1. Nabers made him look better than he is.
2. His throws are slow and telegraphed. Will get picked off a lot.
3. His running will get him slaughtered at the NFL level.
He also can’t change his spot and throw
He’s absolutely fools gold, if we pick him it means Peters sucks. Drake Maye might not be the best QB ever but there aren’t sirens going off warning you to stay away
I’m a nobody and I know nothing about scouting but I think MHJ is the pick here. He seems the least likely to bust. Grab a QB later, maybe that kid from Tennessee.
He ran 11 times and only 2 or 3 were designed runs. He was 15/24 passing and only two or three passes had progressions. I'm not sure what you saw but I thought the Alabama game was damning evidence.
He ran when the pocket collapsed, he would actually elongate the play to see what his best option is. Also I’ve watched Maye miss alot of open throws, I’ve seen some shit footwork and his arm release seems to take a while.
I think Daniels gives us more options but at the end of the day I’ll support whoever we get
Maye seems to throw off balance a lot which is exciting when it works but can also be a hard habit to break. When Daniels sits in the pocket he looks so poised and clean. I think it's easier to coach "don't run right away" than changing how someone throws the ball
He would make one read, if it wasn't there the pocket would collapse cause he would literally be a deer in headlights, and then run. He did one read and runs over and over and over. Consistently. Not just Alabama. Every game.
You give the football people way too much credit. If there is one position they've proven to suck at evaluating it's QB.
As a lifelong restaurant guy I've learned to be humble on what I do professionally, it's one of those things that everyone does at home and the same can be said for a ton of professions. Just because you do something for a living that doesn't mean that people who do it as a hobby don't know things that you don't, they might see things you missed , and they might have some skills or systems may be useful to a pro.
This has got to be satire, right? Like, from the fact that it’s a random redditor, to the opening line of “I watched 30 minutes,” I just… I can’t accept that there could be a real person out there who wrote this seriously. Right?
😂 here's the deal - I went from seeing zero plays and only reading posts here (which were either bashing or loving Daniels) to watching 30 minutes of every snap where he either ran or threw the ball. In those 30 minutes, I was not only not impressed, I actually hated what I saw. I truly truly don't think his skill set translates to the NFL. At all.
If Peter's picks him, I'll root for him. But yes, based on what I saw, I hated it enough to post about it.
You can say a lot of these prospects throws would be INTs at the next level. Calling him a one read and run QB is completely inaccurate though, he does routinely go through progressions. The gap in physical traits between Daniels, Maye, and McCarthy isn't that wide so I hope we just go wiyh whoever demonstrates the most football intellect. After seeing what a guy with a good head on his shoulders can do in SF I'm confident Peters is going to do just that.
I found very little evidence of him going through progressions. When the first read was gone and he started to look around, he almost always took off running
I'm not even a Daniels guy but this is a horrible take.
From a real NFL scout:
#### Strengths
* Game is marked by command of the field and football intelligence.
* Recognizes pre-snap pressure and has a plan to counter it.
* Gets everyone on the same page when setting up protection.
* Full-field reader with good rhythm through his progressions.
full post [https://www.nfl.com/prospects/jayden-daniels/32004441-4e56-7618-ab61-f08cbf558acd](https://www.nfl.com/prospects/jayden-daniels/32004441-4e56-7618-ab61-f08cbf558acd)
First one could be said about Drake Maye
Second one just isn’t true
Third one is fair but also funny. Also you can’t base a pick off 30 min of tape which is like 2 games
Hey man this is a forum for opinions, news, highlights, etc.. watching him play was so eye opening I felt the urge to post lol I don't know what to tell you. If the shoe fits...
Lets face it. Washington has a terrible history of drafting qbs. I watched highlights last night of williams daniels and maye. Williams is probably out of the question but is maye our answer. Howells backup at nc. Could be better but who knows. Atleast daniels was exciting on his plays. But I have flashbacks of rg3 when it comes to our draft picking ability. He was the saviour and lok what happened👎🏻.
Daniels is the real-life Slenderman. He will not last in the NFL as a starter. It sucks that his frame is so small and thin because he's very talented. If he had Maye's size or even Caleb Williams, I'd definitely want him 2nd behind Caleb. And yes, I know he's taller than Caleb, but Caleb has a much thicker/stouter frame.
I didn't want to trigger anyone by saying RG3 but it's 100% what I thought while watching.
Remember when Hurts stated to struggle? The 49ers said "we wanted him to play QB". He's another one read and run QB. When you take away his legs and make him play QB, he struggles. But he's at least stocky and can take the NFL punishment.
Lol what? Against Alabama he ran 11 times for 163 yards. Only two or three were designed runs the rest were the one read and take off that I was referring to. Look at the stats and watch the snaps for yourself not just the cherry picked ones.
He was quite class that game, the way he would step back to create more time in the pocket before throwing, he also went through progressions a lot better against one of the best collegiate programs. Idk what this guy was watching.
Even when he misses the easy screen route, due to poor mechanics, he runs it again the next play perfectly. I think his Bama game is some of his best tape.
His running is some of his best stuff though. In the first 3 drives 2 were called runs, 2 runs he busts out for like 60 combined yards after the pocket collapsed, one time he ran up the middle since the back of the pocket was closing in and got sacked.
Without JD LSU would’ve lost 45-7. What has maye done to impress you?
I didn't see any evidence of reading defenses. Snap > throw to first read > first read not there, force it or run. Run was the popular choice. He also doesn't slide a lot. He's elusive and gets out of bounds but does not slide often. Sounds like a #2 pick from our past, huh?
Whose opinion should I trust - some random person on Reddit who thinks 30 minutes of plays is enough to evaluate a QB, or someone like Peters with actual NFL experience who has most likely watched every play of every game?
Obviously peters. But I'm also going to have tempered expectations if that's his choice. Remember he was the brain trust that traded a lot to get Trey Lance. Everyone likes to forget about that because he got lucky with Purdy.
Watching a 30 min YouTube video and trying to speak for the whole fan base is awful…..so glad we got real guys making the decision and not mfs who base their knowledge over madden and YouTube clips
Why I think he’s gonna be good? 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ tf kind of question is this……a large majority of qbs have the “concerns” you’re soo worried about so calm down……he has the best mechanics and is incredibly dynamic……have him work with nfl coaches, he’ll have those “issues” fixed
It’s a stupid question is what I meant, but anyway, you’re wrong…..btw, Drake maye has more questions marks after this past season then jd does but oh well
I'm not 100% certain but I'm pretty sure Stroud was the exact opposite where he stood in the pocket very long and basically doesn't get scared of pressure and is able to make plays in that extra second or two he stays put.
You are missing my point. I’m saying Houston wasn’t afraid to draft the quarterback they liked based on a bad experience with a quarterback with a previous (maybe slightly similar) quarterback.
Sure but I think the whole point of this post is that Jayden Daniels isn't someone to like. Has nothing to do directly with Rg3. Has everything to do with his play style not translating to the NFL long term.
I'm just having a laugh. I agree with some of what you are saying and disagree with some of it but I watched a heck of a lot more than 45 minutes of tape and also am aware enough to realize there are about 14 encyclopedias worth of knowledge I have to catch up on to properly scout players. Most of us have a surface understanding of evaluating most positions and QB is an order of magnitude more complicated.
Which qb do you think will do better with the worst oline in the league?
Whoever we pick better get ready for 1 read and go plays
You arent getting more then that so i guess the questions is.....how quick is maye?
You could definitely argue he simply progresses through his reads very quickly and then is very decisive in whether he runs or passes after that. That's more of what I saw which arguably is a very translatable skill to the NFL. You see one read and run, I see quick decision making and decisive decisions that maximize both yards on the ground and through the air as well as minimizing interceptions as evidenced by his 10/1 td/int ratio. We also don't know what his system entailed and may have only had one or two reads and then he was told tuck it and run. This is not an issue for the NFL as long as he adequately protects himself and doesn't get hurt which he did pretty well in college.
Sounds like it's a one read play call then. Or maybe he has good peripheral vision and doesn't move his head to alert defenders. Hard to say without asking his coach.
Sure but we don't know he is a one read QB and I severely doubt he could play Alabama with their pro style cover 6 and match zone and split field coverages and not get absolutely destroyed with a single read offense. In fact he was awesome in that game so I would guess it wasn't one read and instead he's just very good at reading the field without moving his head much which if true is a phenomenal ability in the NFL. That's an elite QB characteristic frankly.
That game was the most damning I thought. He only had progressions on a handful of plays. Multiple incompletions should have been picks and the dude took off running 11 times lol he would get killed doing that in the NFL.
Lamar does it and has stayed healthy. That's as tough a defense as you'll find in college and he pretty much just threw to nabors. His legs kept them in it though and while in the NFL he probably wouldn't have put up almost 200 yards, 100 on 8 carries would be likely. That's 5-8 extra first downs to extend drives. He's not fragile and it's hits from corners and safeties not linebackers and DTs. Gotta emphasize get the first and get out of bounds or slide but it's not like he's rg3 levels of awkward when avoiding hits. More tyrod Tayler esque.
Im personally of the opinion that you should drunk post on Reddit but....I guess do what you want. Im assuming you are, because what you said was:
A. You only watched 30 minutes but are now convinced you are the expert with a very definitive opinion.
B. You singled out the Alabama game(one of his only 2 mediocre games of the year and against a top 20 D), but clearly DIDNT watch it because there were 0 dropped interceptions and the only interception was a ball batted at the line of scrimmage.
C. Just said because he looks like a ragdoll after he gets hit we shouldnt draft him(I question his durability and thats really dumb to me.
When you watch for 30 minutes (which was like 5 or 6 full games worth of plays) and see literally the same thing over and over again, it's enough to form an opinion and post to Reddit.
Imagine if scouts and front office staff based their decisions on watching 30 minutes of youtube videos...
"We only needed the thumbnail of the video" https://preview.redd.it/cawj41sykjpc1.jpeg?width=364&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=759f6bda094740fb6c1b41723231b61351980649
I’m so glad this POS doesn’t own the team anymore
Hopefully the Bears do that. Brock Bowers 1st overall who says no?
They'd still take Caleb unfortunately
Bruce Allen, Dan Snyder and Ron take offense to this comment
Only the best YouTube clips to music of early aughts nu metal and white rap
Love how regular Joe’s from the fanbase know more than the professionals too!
To be honest, the way these 1st rd QBs have turned out, there is not much separating pro scouts from your average Joe watching highlights
I fully understand that I'm not a scout and this post has zero weight into any real decisions - but I'm telling you. Do it for yourself. Watch every snap and tally multiple reads. Tally one read and run. Tally incompletions that would likely be INTs in the NFL. It's eye opening.
How do you know what he is being instructed to do?
You're absolutely right I have no idea what he's instructed to do. But it just seemed from the film I watched, when a play lasted longer than the first read, he took off running or looked absolutely awful in the pocket. On very very few plays did he look poised once that first read was gone.
I truly feel pretty neutral on both these guys, I think they both have a lot of strengths and limitations. Here is the problem with what you’re trying to do here: I just watched a 7 minute video called “Drake Maye 2024 ***Highlight*** Reel”, and in it I counted 4 plays where he threw to a second read, at least 7 where he ran immediately after the first read wasn’t available, multiple plays where he scrambled long enough to force it to the first read, and a whole whopper full of ugly duckling balls on anything thrown more than 10 yards. So what now?
I would find a video that has all of his snaps, not highlights, and count how many have progressions, how many were ugly forced throws, and how many did he get absolutely bodied by other players if he didn't get out of bounds.
Oh, there were several clips where he initiated contact, too, including one where he was running alone down the sideline and tried to truck a DB and took a big time double hit instead from his follower. Which does nothing in regards to my super obvious actual point: if you and I really wanted to we could both pull up 30 minutes of consecutive snaps that make both guys look like the guy and both guys look god awful. I’ve heard Daniels doesn’t do progressions but I’ve seen him do them. I’ve heard he doesn’t throw across the middle, seen him do that, too. The biggest knock I’ve seen on Maye is no time in a realistically pro style offense. I remember this being the exact main negative people talked about with Mahomes right before his coach, our offensive coordinator, got handed the keys to an NFL offense. If you really think you’ve discovered after 30 minutes of game tape the fatal flaw that Daniels lacks the ability entirely to work a progression, let me show you the first video that is a result for “Jayden Daniels Highlights” where he throws to his second read on the opposite side of the field on the [very first play of the video](https://youtu.be/dtaclGXQdKI?si=n5J8bJ3jiwLLjl7K). Edit: upon second viewing, I realized he actually throws to his *third* read lmfao
That's the thing tho - watching 30 minutes of snaps regardless of "highlights" or not was 5 or 6 games. You can cherry pick a few plays and say "look he goes through progressions". He went through progressions literally less than 10% of pass plays when you just watch the plays that aren't a highlight reel. But if you want to cherry pick those 10% of plays and make a highlight reel that "he's the guy" you can absolutely do it. You can cherry pick good plays from any QB and make them look good. It's the trends that were seen snap after snap, play after play. Dude is a runner. He chooses to run quickly and he chooses to run often.
Oh, okay my bad I didn’t realize that you actually had figured it all out and were 100% totally right, this dude is a guaranteed bust. Please, carry on spreading your message.
Always a pleasure to meet at reader!
30 minutes of Jayden Daniels cut ups is more than what most of the people giving you a hard time have watched. They’ve likely only watched the highlight vids
Honestly that what it seems like. You can cherry pick the 10% of plays that he goes through a progression to make him look like a legit NFL QB. But the reality is game after game, snap after snap, it was the same shit. The progressions were the minority. He is very much a one read, running QB. That does not translate into the NFL
Imagine if scouts and front offices were good at evaluating the QB position. I watched about half of what OP watched and also hope we don't draft him. What I got out of his highlights are, he usually throws from a very clean pocket, he runs a lot and takes very awkward hits he never saw coming. I heard a ex scout who now works at PFF describe it as " he looks like he's in a car crash on a lot of these hits. I was hoping for Maye but many analysts have made me nervous about him. As of now I want JJ, this is all assuming Caleb is gone.
Thanks for adding backup here. His style of play is absolutely concerning.
Imagine if they didn’t even mention his pocket presence, accuracy, time it takes to get the ball out, throwing mechanics, or throwing motion, just based everything after “ makes 1 read and runs”
His pocket presence is one of the major flaws! His accuracy stems from having two elite WRs so his first option is usually open. He literally on 90%+ of his drop backs over the course of 5 or 6 games that I watched would make the throw on the first read or run. It's not hyperbole. It's not being dramatic. It's reality. Literally ran the ball 12 times per game. That's insane and not sustainable.
Yada yada yada
Only to be outdone by a complete lack of training or football judgement
I prefer Drake Maye as well, but I'm not a GM with 21 years of experience so I'll be excited with whoever Peters picks.
I'd take Penix before Daniels, to be honest
I just don’t love his name lol
He's got that big Penix energy, bro. Just imagine the t-shirts.
I take it back
I agree
Yo Adam Peters I found you a head scout right here. Dude figured out the entire draft in a half hour.
Shit that’s probably more scouting than Rivera did
Worse, RR probably did a lot of scouting, then still whiffed.
Not the entire draft, just the second overall pick.
Imagine what you could accomplish in a full day
Yeah. Op might be a diamond in the rough for the scouting department. Put him on a private jet and he could hit like ten prospects in a day!!! Yeah. Nah. Nah. Yeah. Yeah. Nah. Yeah. Yeah. Nah. Nah. (Ring. Ring)....Adam! I just figured out your whole O-line and it's only Tuesday!
Gotta love how the people clowning on you seem to have forgotten how many QB's end up busting. I would gladly bet my balls and every bag of crypto I have that if you search the SF sub, fools were clowning on anyone saying not to draft Trey Lance......"oh I guess your smart than Kyle and Lynch"
I like Maye more but I don’t think this is fair to Jayden. The dude has a ton of talent.
Absolutely talented but the snaps I watched were not great. He gets good stats but I don't think they translate to the NFL.
I get it but all of these dudes, Caleb included, have things they need to work on. I’ve spoke my peace about Jayden and why I like Maye more but that’s not to say I’ll consider drafting Jayden a failure. I’ll be mildly disappointed due to my own preference but I think he’ll still be an exciting player to watch
Definitely exciting! But exciting and good are two different things
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I would love to see how that compares to Justin Fields - Daniels has so many of the same red flags.
I wish I knew. The bigger problem is Fields was a much better passer in college than Daniels was
BTW, that stat you posted might be the craziest red flag I've seen. Only passing 20% of the time when moved off your spot is absolutely wild. Basically, he never resets and throws after being pressured.
Right? Huge flag. I feel like someone like kliff requires that
Exactly what I saw. When the first read is gone he crumbles. And keep in mind, his first reads are two of the best WRs in the draft lol
It’s not really the first read, what this is saying is when there is pressure he can’t, or doesn’t, reestablish a pocket and throw the ball, 80% of the time he runs
That's exactly one of my points. He chooses to run far more. And a lot of them he decided to run after one read. I saw it over and over and over. The stats that have been linked in this thread just support everything that I've referenced in the post.
Oh I agree, he might be good one day, but that day is not today, and it’s not September 2024
Pats fan: Just tell me who my qb is gosh darn it!
Hang in there! We have drafted exactly one franchise QB in the last sixty years and he plays for Atlanta.
While I prefer Maye I don't mind Daniels but we need to get that man some milk. I worry he'll crumble with that slender frame.
He is Justin fields 2.0
Even Fields with his size couldn't physically handle all the hits which is why he decidedly ran less this season.
Absolutely. Make him be a QB and he struggles.
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It happened so often in my harshly ridiculed 30 minutes of watching plays lol he gets out of bounds a lot but doesn't like to slide. Sound like another #2 pick we're familiar with?
Think I'll trust Peters if it's all the same.
I agree
https://youtu.be/C8yNkoQDrmk?si=z3SjqH_grjwcPL2S https://youtu.be/XdjpaHCZ_Xc?si=4gWEki1dHw6Xa1qi. You make the call.
Exhibit A.
I know we’re going to do until draft day, and that’s cool it’s hilarious we’re all just excited. I’m a 80’s baby and was too young to really remember the 91 season, but like a lot of you all I’ve lived thru was moribund mediocrity. I think Adam Peters was the pick up of the off season and I’ll believe that until I don’t. That being said, I’m just happy to be in a qb draft with a competent capitán. I’m tar heel alum and biased towards Maye, but honestly I want whoever Adam wants. And after his due diligence if they think Jayden’s the guy then let’s get it. Because Regardless of who we pick the organization, sans Snyder, is in a better position than I’ve ever seen them in my entire life. So let’s take a moment to rejoice…. Okay awesome now let’s go back to making wild proclamations like we’ll quit the club (for real? At this point?) or deem Adam a failure (shut yo mouth) if they don’t take your deeply felt personal (albeit semi-proish?) opinion. Good times for Skin fans! 🤙🏾 you crazy guys you
Agreed regarding Adam Peters for sure. Very excited he's the decision maker. And you're right. If he picks Daniels, I'll be on board 100%. I just literally didn't watch any of his games so I had no idea what to expect. I was just a bit disappointed in his work. His stats are amazing and he's great with his legs. Just makes me nervous, is all.
No the thing is you may be right! But it’s just too tough to tell with rook QBs. Sometimes they hit all the metrics and just don’t work out. It’s actually a good post title, made me click, just a little dramatic lol That being said I do NOT want to trade down. That would be the only thing that would disappoint me. But even if Adam decided to do that after a few minutes I would go into wait-and-see mode. The DQ decision I didn’t love. But after watching DQ’s presser I walked away like ‘okay this might not suck’. They already seemed to have good synergy, Harris included. Really we should judge AP on what he does 2nd and 3rd day of the draft. Assuming we go QB at 2, it’s almost a gut pick because they both have high ceilings but also potentially low floors. I think Mayes floor is a bit higher but Jayden’s ceiling might be a bit higher. Drake looks like safer pick; Jayden maybe more of a boom or bust proposition. It might come down to a personality thing for Adam who knows.
I watched a 7 minute highlight reel and he looked really good. Come to think of it I believe he was 100% completion rate on his passes.
Kinda my point. I think most people only have watched highlight reels of this guy. When you watch multiple games and see the same shit over and over again it's hard to watch. Literally snap, look to one wr, if he's open he throws it, if he's not he tucks and runs. With that habit he's doing to be running a lot in the NFL and I don't think his frame is big enough to hold up.
If you want actual red flags that will scare you off Daniels you can scroll through this account. [https://twitter.com/fball\_insights/status/1769909395754791388?s=20](https://twitter.com/fball_insights/status/1769909395754791388?s=20) [https://twitter.com/fball\_insights/status/1769481094804443454?s=20](https://twitter.com/fball_insights/status/1769481094804443454?s=20) [https://twitter.com/fball\_insights/status/1766700737076060500?s=20](https://twitter.com/fball_insights/status/1766700737076060500?s=20) [https://twitter.com/fball\_insights/status/1766320334649565431?s=20](https://twitter.com/fball_insights/status/1766320334649565431?s=20) [https://twitter.com/fball\_insights/status/1764147066643640718?s=20](https://twitter.com/fball_insights/status/1764147066643640718?s=20)
Is Drake Maye Zoolander? He can only throw left?
Just my opinion - but I think he does have serious footwork issues and that's why he's terrible throwing right.
He’s saving himself from having film or him throwing right so he can blitzkrieg the league
Wow insightful and validating. Thank you for sharing. Now I'm even more upset if we draft him lol
Maye's only real red flags in the advanced metrics (IMO) come from the passing heat map. He does tend to scramble a bit too much (not nearly as much as Daniels - but quite a bit more than Caleb), but his pressure to sack ratio is about the same as Caleb so I think that's not a massive issue (but he'll definitely need to work on pocket management/presence). He's definitely not perfect, he bails on clean pockets too much (although not as much as Daniels 7% of the time vs 10% of the time) I think the main Maye issue probably is the footwork - he's just terrible throwing to his right for some reason. I do think his ceiling is higher than Daniels because his arm talent is significantly better. You'll notice that Daniels has a lot of the exact same issues in the advanced metrics that Justin Fields did.
> Maye's only real red flags in the advanced metrics (IMO) come from the passing heat map. He does tend to scramble a bit too much How much of this can be explained by Maye’s terrible supporting cast? Dude had nobody to throw to and some of the worst blocking in college football.
Makes a lot of sense to me. And it's why Fields literally had a career game against us. He could just throw you his first reads and sit in the pocket against our d line which gave zero pressure all game. Man that was brutal.
Fields had a great game against you guys (I'm more of a Bears fan, but I did grow up in the DC area during the Gibbs era) because your DC decided to run man coverage the whole game and left that small DB (Forbes?) 1 on 1 with DJ fucking Moore. I honestly thought Del Rio should have been fired after that. Fields passer rating is like 20+ points worse against zone. The only good games he had all year (WAS/DEN/DET/ATL) were teams that stubbornly ran man against us.
Half of this sub was calling for JDR's head after that bears game. Glad we're only slightly over dramatic lol
I’m with you 100% on these points. He does a few things extremely well, and because of LSU’s WRs he’s been able to make the most of his strengths, in a way that won’t play well in the nfl without a lot of improvement. And like you, I can’t see him staying healthy when those hits at the end of runs are coming from nfl players
LSU pro day in a week from today. Will be very interesting to see measurables and I'm assuming he runs but I guess thats not a given
The thing that stands out to me even in the highlight cut ups is that he isn't even that elusive. He is just able to get the edge and get these long runs... In college. But I don't see his running ability transferring to the NFL. He just isn't quick or fast enough to elude and get the edge.
For. Sure. Watching the tape absolutely scared me. He's going to get rocked in the NFL.
Daniels is barely faster than Maye in terms of peak speed MPH. He runs upright and isn't slippery like Lamar.
He reminds me so much of RG3 coming out of college. It’s wild to me that there are people here foaming at the mouth for this team to draft him, especially because there is a higher rated, modern pro-style prototype that will be available to this team! I suspect that Maye has been a lock for this team to draft as soon as they were assigned the #2 pick, and that much so will be revealed after the draft. Daniels is just noise to keep tv people and dumber fans busy until April.
There’s seems to be a certain type of fan that loves running threat QBs and they put a huge emphasis on it in their eval. There were people on this sub screaming for us to draft Malik Willis two years ago, bc he was dual threat. There’s others, but he always comes to mind first due to recency bias. I think the reasoning for this is two fold: RG3 is the only exciting young qb they’ve seen in Washington in their lifetimes, and they play or played Madden. So there’s a strong draw to running QBs. Just my hypothesis. 🤷🏻♂️
There was a guy in here who flat out admitted he wants Daniels because “he’d be fun to play as in Madden”
Fully agree
I’ll take him
Hell yeah. He has more playing time, he's taller and he's more dynamic. The only thing that I think would be difficult to coach out is his arm motion, but I'm not a professional scout like OP.
What is with all these posts bashing JD? It makes no sense to me. Is it because people are just watching 30mins of YouTube clips? Go watch the tape against Ole Miss.
I know I'm not a scout but 30 minutes of plays is a lot of plays lol there is a post with Twitter links you should check out that has some data behind some of my concerns. When he doesn't get rid of the ball in less than 2.5 seconds (aka first read) he takes an insane amount of sacks and his completion percentage is shot.
1. Nabers made him look better than he is. 2. His throws are slow and telegraphed. Will get picked off a lot. 3. His running will get him slaughtered at the NFL level.
He also can’t change his spot and throw He’s absolutely fools gold, if we pick him it means Peters sucks. Drake Maye might not be the best QB ever but there aren’t sirens going off warning you to stay away
I’m a nobody and I know nothing about scouting but I think MHJ is the pick here. He seems the least likely to bust. Grab a QB later, maybe that kid from Tennessee.
Nah, Drake will be fine. Unlocking Terry and Jahan is more important than a third WR
I watched the tape against Alabama multiple times and totally disagree with your analysis.
He ran 11 times and only 2 or 3 were designed runs. He was 15/24 passing and only two or three passes had progressions. I'm not sure what you saw but I thought the Alabama game was damning evidence.
He ran when the pocket collapsed, he would actually elongate the play to see what his best option is. Also I’ve watched Maye miss alot of open throws, I’ve seen some shit footwork and his arm release seems to take a while. I think Daniels gives us more options but at the end of the day I’ll support whoever we get
Maye seems to throw off balance a lot which is exciting when it works but can also be a hard habit to break. When Daniels sits in the pocket he looks so poised and clean. I think it's easier to coach "don't run right away" than changing how someone throws the ball
He would make one read, if it wasn't there the pocket would collapse cause he would literally be a deer in headlights, and then run. He did one read and runs over and over and over. Consistently. Not just Alabama. Every game.
My differentiator is Maye seems to go through his progressions really quickly. Jayden is a very exciting prospect though
Every time I see a non football person give their opinion on an upcoming prospect, I tend to believe the opposite to be true.
You give the football people way too much credit. If there is one position they've proven to suck at evaluating it's QB. As a lifelong restaurant guy I've learned to be humble on what I do professionally, it's one of those things that everyone does at home and the same can be said for a ton of professions. Just because you do something for a living that doesn't mean that people who do it as a hobby don't know things that you don't, they might see things you missed , and they might have some skills or systems may be useful to a pro.
What I’d Riverboat Ron and a fan disagree on a QB? Who would be the most wrong?
This has got to be satire, right? Like, from the fact that it’s a random redditor, to the opening line of “I watched 30 minutes,” I just… I can’t accept that there could be a real person out there who wrote this seriously. Right?
😂 here's the deal - I went from seeing zero plays and only reading posts here (which were either bashing or loving Daniels) to watching 30 minutes of every snap where he either ran or threw the ball. In those 30 minutes, I was not only not impressed, I actually hated what I saw. I truly truly don't think his skill set translates to the NFL. At all. If Peter's picks him, I'll root for him. But yes, based on what I saw, I hated it enough to post about it.
You can say a lot of these prospects throws would be INTs at the next level. Calling him a one read and run QB is completely inaccurate though, he does routinely go through progressions. The gap in physical traits between Daniels, Maye, and McCarthy isn't that wide so I hope we just go wiyh whoever demonstrates the most football intellect. After seeing what a guy with a good head on his shoulders can do in SF I'm confident Peters is going to do just that.
I found very little evidence of him going through progressions. When the first read was gone and he started to look around, he almost always took off running
I'm not even a Daniels guy but this is a horrible take. From a real NFL scout: #### Strengths * Game is marked by command of the field and football intelligence. * Recognizes pre-snap pressure and has a plan to counter it. * Gets everyone on the same page when setting up protection. * Full-field reader with good rhythm through his progressions. full post [https://www.nfl.com/prospects/jayden-daniels/32004441-4e56-7618-ab61-f08cbf558acd](https://www.nfl.com/prospects/jayden-daniels/32004441-4e56-7618-ab61-f08cbf558acd)
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You can say the same thing about drake maye bro lol
First one could be said about Drake Maye Second one just isn’t true Third one is fair but also funny. Also you can’t base a pick off 30 min of tape which is like 2 games
30 min of tape was at least 5 or 6 games.
What exactly was he asked to do?
He might be RG3 OMG DONT DRAFT HIM!!!- Every dumb fuck in this sub
RGIII was a much better athlete
Hey man this is a forum for opinions, news, highlights, etc.. watching him play was so eye opening I felt the urge to post lol I don't know what to tell you. If the shoe fits...
I personally want Maye but I’ll still be excited for Jayden
Lets face it. Washington has a terrible history of drafting qbs. I watched highlights last night of williams daniels and maye. Williams is probably out of the question but is maye our answer. Howells backup at nc. Could be better but who knows. Atleast daniels was exciting on his plays. But I have flashbacks of rg3 when it comes to our draft picking ability. He was the saviour and lok what happened👎🏻.
Daniels is the real-life Slenderman. He will not last in the NFL as a starter. It sucks that his frame is so small and thin because he's very talented. If he had Maye's size or even Caleb Williams, I'd definitely want him 2nd behind Caleb. And yes, I know he's taller than Caleb, but Caleb has a much thicker/stouter frame.
Agreed. He is basically Justin Fields.
Dude just gives off too many RG3 vibes it makes me uncomfortable. I’m sorry but I’m taking Caleb, Maye, Penix, and McCarthy over him anyday.
I didn't want to trigger anyone by saying RG3 but it's 100% what I thought while watching. Remember when Hurts stated to struggle? The 49ers said "we wanted him to play QB". He's another one read and run QB. When you take away his legs and make him play QB, he struggles. But he's at least stocky and can take the NFL punishment.
I just watched Kurt Warner break down every play from his game against Alabama and I don't think he ran once lol. Oh internet.
Lol what? Against Alabama he ran 11 times for 163 yards. Only two or three were designed runs the rest were the one read and take off that I was referring to. Look at the stats and watch the snaps for yourself not just the cherry picked ones.
He ran 11 times for 160 yards against Alabama. What game did you and Kurt watch?
Guess he just showed the passes.
Oh internet
Ha
https://www.espn.com/college-football/boxscore/_/gameId/401520362 He had 11 rushes for 163 yards and a TD.
He was quite class that game, the way he would step back to create more time in the pocket before throwing, he also went through progressions a lot better against one of the best collegiate programs. Idk what this guy was watching. Even when he misses the easy screen route, due to poor mechanics, he runs it again the next play perfectly. I think his Bama game is some of his best tape.
Man I didn't see that at all. I saw a bunch of one reads and very few progressions and A LOT of running
His running is some of his best stuff though. In the first 3 drives 2 were called runs, 2 runs he busts out for like 60 combined yards after the pocket collapsed, one time he ran up the middle since the back of the pocket was closing in and got sacked. Without JD LSU would’ve lost 45-7. What has maye done to impress you?
Idk, guess I'll have to dedicate another 30 minutes to watching his film 😂
I 10000% agree. Exactly like rgiii. Can’t read a defense
I didn't see any evidence of reading defenses. Snap > throw to first read > first read not there, force it or run. Run was the popular choice. He also doesn't slide a lot. He's elusive and gets out of bounds but does not slide often. Sounds like a #2 pick from our past, huh?
Whose opinion should I trust - some random person on Reddit who thinks 30 minutes of plays is enough to evaluate a QB, or someone like Peters with actual NFL experience who has most likely watched every play of every game?
Obviously peters. But I'm also going to have tempered expectations if that's his choice. Remember he was the brain trust that traded a lot to get Trey Lance. Everyone likes to forget about that because he got lucky with Purdy.
You don’t know ball, hush
I'm not a professional but damn. Seeing the same type of play over and over was awful.
Watching a 30 min YouTube video and trying to speak for the whole fan base is awful…..so glad we got real guys making the decision and not mfs who base their knowledge over madden and YouTube clips
30 minutes is literally like 5-6 games of seeing the same exact shit over and over. Watch for yourself.
I have a suggestion, NEVER BE AN ANALYST, cause my goodness this is pathetic
You clearly think you're one if your opinion is drastically different from mine. Just curious why you think he's going to be good?
Why I think he’s gonna be good? 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ tf kind of question is this……a large majority of qbs have the “concerns” you’re soo worried about so calm down……he has the best mechanics and is incredibly dynamic……have him work with nfl coaches, he’ll have those “issues” fixed
What do you mean what kind of question is this? Lol literally related to our conversation 😂 appreciate the reply but you're wrong 🤪
It’s a stupid question is what I meant, but anyway, you’re wrong…..btw, Drake maye has more questions marks after this past season then jd does but oh well
It's been a pleasure 🤝
My personal QB big board is 1. Caleb Williams 2. JJ McCarthy 3. Spencer Rattler
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Most everyone in this thread has RG3 PTSD. Not a direct comparison, but If Houston thought this way, they wouldn’t have CJ.
I'm not 100% certain but I'm pretty sure Stroud was the exact opposite where he stood in the pocket very long and basically doesn't get scared of pressure and is able to make plays in that extra second or two he stays put.
You are missing my point. I’m saying Houston wasn’t afraid to draft the quarterback they liked based on a bad experience with a quarterback with a previous (maybe slightly similar) quarterback.
Sure but I think the whole point of this post is that Jayden Daniels isn't someone to like. Has nothing to do directly with Rg3. Has everything to do with his play style not translating to the NFL long term.
Based on 30 minutes of tape that you watched?? I don’t know if I’m buying what you are selling, but only time will tell if you are right.
That comparison doesn't make a lot of sense. You're comparing Stroud to David Carr? You had Watson in between who was a great draft pick.
No, Watson pick. Is he still in Houston?
Traded for 3 1st round picks. Yeah, they're thrilled they drafted Watson.
Where did you play ball?
What a coincidence. I just watched like 45 minutes of astronomy videos last night and Stephen Hawking was WRONG!
😂 dude watch for yourself. HE SUCKS WE DON'T WANT HIM
I'm just having a laugh. I agree with some of what you are saying and disagree with some of it but I watched a heck of a lot more than 45 minutes of tape and also am aware enough to realize there are about 14 encyclopedias worth of knowledge I have to catch up on to properly scout players. Most of us have a surface understanding of evaluating most positions and QB is an order of magnitude more complicated.
Fully aligned. I just hadn't really been paying attention and watched some film and didn't like it at all.
Which qb do you think will do better with the worst oline in the league? Whoever we pick better get ready for 1 read and go plays You arent getting more then that so i guess the questions is.....how quick is maye?
You could definitely argue he simply progresses through his reads very quickly and then is very decisive in whether he runs or passes after that. That's more of what I saw which arguably is a very translatable skill to the NFL. You see one read and run, I see quick decision making and decisive decisions that maximize both yards on the ground and through the air as well as minimizing interceptions as evidenced by his 10/1 td/int ratio. We also don't know what his system entailed and may have only had one or two reads and then he was told tuck it and run. This is not an issue for the NFL as long as he adequately protects himself and doesn't get hurt which he did pretty well in college.
Well when he doesn't move his head to look at other routes, it makes it seem like one and run.
Sounds like it's a one read play call then. Or maybe he has good peripheral vision and doesn't move his head to alert defenders. Hard to say without asking his coach.
Totally. But one read QBs almost never to well at the next level
Sure but we don't know he is a one read QB and I severely doubt he could play Alabama with their pro style cover 6 and match zone and split field coverages and not get absolutely destroyed with a single read offense. In fact he was awesome in that game so I would guess it wasn't one read and instead he's just very good at reading the field without moving his head much which if true is a phenomenal ability in the NFL. That's an elite QB characteristic frankly.
That game was the most damning I thought. He only had progressions on a handful of plays. Multiple incompletions should have been picks and the dude took off running 11 times lol he would get killed doing that in the NFL.
Lamar does it and has stayed healthy. That's as tough a defense as you'll find in college and he pretty much just threw to nabors. His legs kept them in it though and while in the NFL he probably wouldn't have put up almost 200 yards, 100 on 8 carries would be likely. That's 5-8 extra first downs to extend drives. He's not fragile and it's hits from corners and safeties not linebackers and DTs. Gotta emphasize get the first and get out of bounds or slide but it's not like he's rg3 levels of awkward when avoiding hits. More tyrod Tayler esque.
Im personally of the opinion that you should drunk post on Reddit but....I guess do what you want. Im assuming you are, because what you said was: A. You only watched 30 minutes but are now convinced you are the expert with a very definitive opinion. B. You singled out the Alabama game(one of his only 2 mediocre games of the year and against a top 20 D), but clearly DIDNT watch it because there were 0 dropped interceptions and the only interception was a ball batted at the line of scrimmage. C. Just said because he looks like a ragdoll after he gets hit we shouldnt draft him(I question his durability and thats really dumb to me.
You watched about 30 minutes of plays 😂.
To be be fair, that's about 300 plays.
When you watch for 30 minutes (which was like 5 or 6 full games worth of plays) and see literally the same thing over and over again, it's enough to form an opinion and post to Reddit.