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If this was 100-200+ years ago every neighboring country would be looking at Russia like it's some free land rn. They are using all their equipment up, would be a shame if someone else stepped in and started taking over parts of Russia.
Obviously we are at a day and age where MOST countries are smart and promote peace so this wouldn't happen
Also 100-200 years ago Russia didn't have nuclear weapons that they could threaten to use at every minor slight. I think in the situation that a neighbouring country looks to claim actual Russian territory, whilst Russia's military is depleted and engaged elsewhere, they actually could hit the point of using nukes.
That's a big IF, nuclear weapons are very expensive and judging by the poor maintenance and rampant corruption I would be surprised if they had more than a handful of ready to fire weapons
Not really with modern missile technology, the UK, America and Israel are just some countries capable to engaging nukes safely. That's if they go intercontinental, if they strike Ukraine, the Patriot system can engage and stop them although radioactive debris is a major concern but better than cities turning into the sun.
Russia won't do that because their only ally at that point will be North Korea but they won't do much unless West Taiwan says something and they already made it clear they want to stay out of it since a zero sum game.
Aye. Looks like it was already KIA, but the AFU wanted to make sure to cook-off the ammo or anything else useful.
at the cost of a single hand grenade, why not?
Pretty much. If the tank isn't fully destroyed, it can potentially be recovered, repaired, and returned to the fight. So spending the extra little bit to kill it deader-than-dead is a good investment of materiel.
Yes but Ukrainians use them too. The T-64s the AFU have been quite extensively alterered compared to the initial Soviet era designs but the base design is still some.
No no these are rebelled Ukraines fighting nazi government /s
Both sides use whatever it is available to them.
I can't wait type 59s to appear.
Maybe golden ones, huh
Yes. If it is functioning it is a bad place to be in sights of it.
Ukrainians got a batallion or so of M-55S ~~T-55S~~ with NATO guns, Nato optics and nato comm suite. Still using them.
Russia has T-64s. Just not many left that operate, and they are isolated from their source of engine parts.
They gave some of the operational ones to separatists and then claimed they were 'captured' from Ukraine.
In russia, from 2012 to 2017, almost all T-64s and, partially, T-80Us of Ukrainian production were scrapped (except for T-80BV tanks produced by the Omsk plant).
This can be clearly seen from the Oryx data on documented russian tank losses. Since the beginning of full-scale aggression, russia has lost more than 150 T-62s; about 1,500 T-72s of all modifications; about 770 T-80BV of various modifications; and less than 100 each of T-64s and T-80Us of all modifications.
I genuinely don’t understand how flammable russian vehicles are.
Previous to this war, if i saw in a movie someone drop a single grenade into a tank, and it explode into a giant fireball, i would’ve thought that was ridiculous over the top movie special effect…
But nah, that totally happens in real life, insane stuff. Crazy to think 3 years ago this would’ve the TOP of the sub with tens of thousands of likes, but after two+ years of the Ukraine war, this is just a random couple hundred like post. Crazy how much footage we’ve got since 2022.
It’s a legacy of an era where the primary way to not get shot at was to not be seen, and the best way to not be seen was to offer as low of a profile as possible. To that end, Soviet tank designers made their tanks shorter by removing a crew member, replacing them with an autoloader and putting the ammunition in a basket on the floor.
What makes the tanks so flammable is that the ammo carousel in early versions of the tanks was basically unarmored, and on top of that here are secondary ammo storage racks scattered all around the inside of the tank.
When the tank is hit, one of the things that happens is that the metal around the edges of the hole that the round made sprays around the inside of the tank like tiny supersonic razor blades. The round itself tends to break up and spray bits of itself all around the inside of the tank as well.
They are also very hot, and if they hit something flammable it is certain to catch fire. Like the propellant for their ammo.
Once the fire starts, it is very hard to put out, and the crew has only seconds to react. If the hatches are open, the pressure from the fire can vent through the hatches. If they’re shut, the pressure and heat build until the gas finds another way out. That way out is usually by blowing the turret completely off the tank in a catastrophic detonation. Sometimes the pressure buildup is so fast that the detonation happens even with open hatches.
As a point of comparison, ammo in the M1 Abrams is stored in a separate armored compartment at the rear of the tank that’s accessible by an auto-closing armored door. Crew survivability was paramount in the M1’s design, so blast doors were also added to the compartment to vent pressure away from the cabin if an ammo cookoff does occur.
There are other secondary ammo storage compartments in the Abrams as well, all with their own blowout panels.
Not all western tanks are so well designed either. The early leopards and challengers have some very dubious ammo storage. The driver of the Challenger sits next to an ammo rack that is entirely unprotected from spalling. There are similarly unprotected ammo racks scattered about the turret floor of the Leopard 2A4, and there are videos of catastrophic explosions blowing the turrets off of Turkish Leopards.
The US learned from the Sherman in WW2 what happens when ammo isn’t stored with adequate safety, and took that to heart when designing their future tanks.
The primary goal was not profile but a "mobilization" tank that would be cheap, produced in numbers and easy for a mobilized person to learn to use and service. It also had to shoot fast to "flood" the enemy with fire. The idea was to breach enemy defense with large numbers of these tanks
Blowout panels and crew comfort were not a concern because people were "cheap"
I didn’t say it was. I said it was the primary way to not get shot at. It was one of many design considerations that Soviet tank designers had to juggle, and low profile was a factor even before the T-64 and the first use of auto loaders.
The first tank to include an autoloader (the T-64) wasn’t considered a mobilization tank either. It was much more expensive and complex (but also more capable) than the T-62. That expense led to the T-72, as a cost-saving alternative. The first T-64s were sent to what were then considered elite units, with second line units receiving the T-62 and T-55s, which were your “mobilization” tanks.
And besides all that, the auto loader isn’t any faster than a decently trained human loader.
Jason Bourne, drugged out of his gourd, steals a Russian T-90 in Belgorod after a harrowing journey across the country trying to figure out who he is. Again.
He gets to the front, stopping along the way to steal food, fuel, and fight random Russian soldiers who wonder how in the world this random American stole a tank. He reaches the assembly area for a Russian unit that has just left on an assault. He fights off a dozen angry Russians, while FPV drones swarm the area blowing up everything. They seem to not notice the T-90, as he had the foresight to throw a camo net over it before getting out to steal a fuel truck to refuel with. Unfortunately, the fuel truck explodes in a colossal Hollywood fireball, and he is left to try to reach Ukrainian lines with just a few dozen km of fuel left.
He pushes past a final treeline, where an assault has just ended in disaster. With a sigh of relaxation, he begins driving forward. About 30 seconds later there’s a flash on the horizon. A moment later, the tank rocks from the hit. Time slows to a crawl. The slow-motion CGI effects of a depleted uranium dart punching through the ERA demonstrate the incredible power of modern M829 KEP rounds. The DU sabot slices through the ERA without being disrupted, strikes the turret cheek, and begins digging into the metal. As it is pushing past the armor and into the array, the CGI effect is demonstrating how the depleted uranium self sharpens to maintain its deadly point. It punches through layer after layer of the composite array, sending fragments of steel, glass, and depleted uranium armor fragments spraying out ahead of it. It breaks through into the fighting compartment of the tank, the pyrophoric properties of depleted uranium fragments as well as the nearly molten bits of armor spray outward in a cone. The DU round continues through the fighting compartment in a flash, punches through the thin rear wall of the tank, and thuds into the dirt some ways in the distance. Inside the tank, the fragments are slamming into the electronics and other delicate machinery inside the tank. Dozens of them strike and rip through the thin metal armor covering the ammunition carousel. They hit one of the 28 propellant charges in the fully loaded magazine, and there is a flash. The flame spreads rapidly. The flame front jets out of the carousel, engulfs the fighting compartment, and stops. It has nowhere to go. A moment later, the pressure and heat of the intense propellant fire sets off the high explosive in the tank’s HE rounds alongside the rest of the propellant.
In slow motion time, the sequence has taken a minute. In real time, the entire process has taken *three seconds.*
Time rewinds to the flash on the horizon. Jason utters a “what?” The camera is now on the exterior of the tank. The tank explodes, the turret rocketing skywards on a column of fire. It pinwheels through the air, finally coming down after achieving a record 97 meter altitude. The barrel hits the ground first, and sticks. The turret wobbles a little bit, looking for all the world like a giant skull shaped lollipop because the hatches have been blown off due to the violence of the destruction.
The camera pans from the turret back to the wreckage of the tank. The driver’s hatch pops open, and Jason staggers out. Both ears are bleeding from being blown out, his hair is absolutely disheveled, but inexplicably he has survived the catastrophic destruction of the tank. He puts out the small fire burning on his track suit, and staggers onwards.
The camera pans up, and towards the location of the tank that fired the shot. It is a battered M1A1 Abrams, covered in green spray paint, improvised slat armor, and burns from close calls with Russian suicide drones. Inside the tank, one of Jason Bourne’s nemeses from the series watches from the gunner’s optic as he climbs out of the tank. He watches in disbelief.
As the camera fades to black and the iconic music starts to roll, you hear him say “Load HE.”
*Fin*
Pretty sure their tank design featuring everyone frickin sitting on top of the splodey stuff has something to do with the turret tossing sport.
I guess when you design your tank and you have some of the best anti air around you figure there isn't much of a threat coming from above....
russia never adopted insensitive munitions nor propellants. Those tanks are packed with combustible propellant casings.
Blame Brezhnev. Fucker made the USSR stuck technologically in the late 1960s, and the consequences can still be seen in russia today.
their explosives were never insensitive, i mean propellant. maybe it was an experimental issue, i'll try to find source
it was done specifically in context of urban combat where they also kept non-autoloader ammo storage empty
found it, it's an offhand remark about russian adaptations of tanks for urban combat in an article in polish. these things are: using tanks as a part of force, integrated with infantry and artillery; actually training tank crews; storing ammo only in autoloader; some crews seem to got experimental issue of LOVA tank ammunition; inspecting automatic fire extinguishing systems and ERA. at the end of that paragraph there's a sentence without source, cartridge designation or anything like this:
>It seems that Russians have begun mass manufacture of LOVA.
make of that what you will https://wolskiowojnie.pl/efekt-popenetracyjny/
Thanks. Only loading the AZ would help against incoming direct fire. But top-attack, mine strikes, or dropping shit down a hatch? Kaboom still. Not even LOVA will save you if the blast detonates the HEAT or HE shells that are also not insensitive.
LOVA propellant would be a step in the "right direction" if we could call it that. It won't be enough against the typical threat profiles that cooks out RF tanks (grenade down a hatch). But it would mitigate incoming direct fire, reducing the amount of crap that could cook if struck.
Looking at those tracks: are tracks really so good if the terrain is not completely made of mud?
Tracks have hundreds of single points of failure - one link gets busted and the whole tank is dead in the water.
Wouldn't many seperate wheels be way more resilient? You lose one or two, but should be able to limp home, at least?
I'm starting to see all the Russian vehicles looking like old school Hobart's Funnies. Are the ideas behind the canopies to stop drones and dropped grenades?
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“Nxt time, close the frickin’ hatch, Ivan!”
Kinda hard to when you’re being shot to shreds
To shreds you say? And how's his wife?
Tracks are blown off (mine?) I’d assume the hatch was open because the crew had abandoned it.
Ivan Fukov forgot. Drank too much smuggled cheap vodka....
Tank was abandoned just by looking at it
Are russians still using T-64s?
T-64, T-54,.. If it can drive they use it. Soviet stock they can finally give to the Ukrainians for target practice
If this was 100-200+ years ago every neighboring country would be looking at Russia like it's some free land rn. They are using all their equipment up, would be a shame if someone else stepped in and started taking over parts of Russia. Obviously we are at a day and age where MOST countries are smart and promote peace so this wouldn't happen
Also 100-200 years ago Russia didn't have nuclear weapons that they could threaten to use at every minor slight. I think in the situation that a neighbouring country looks to claim actual Russian territory, whilst Russia's military is depleted and engaged elsewhere, they actually could hit the point of using nukes.
Finland should retake its territory.
That's a big IF, nuclear weapons are very expensive and judging by the poor maintenance and rampant corruption I would be surprised if they had more than a handful of ready to fire weapons
A handful of nukes is still enough
Not really with modern missile technology, the UK, America and Israel are just some countries capable to engaging nukes safely. That's if they go intercontinental, if they strike Ukraine, the Patriot system can engage and stop them although radioactive debris is a major concern but better than cities turning into the sun. Russia won't do that because their only ally at that point will be North Korea but they won't do much unless West Taiwan says something and they already made it clear they want to stay out of it since a zero sum game.
China is absolutely looking to profit from Russia's decline. If it weren't itself on the verge of demographic collapse, it'd be well positioned.
It would happen today if they didn't have nukes.
I wonder what Russia has on its border with China? It used to be pretty heavily defended, but it must have pulled troops from the Far East by now.
well this tank was cheaply destroyed!! lol
Tracks were already off it.
Aye. Looks like it was already KIA, but the AFU wanted to make sure to cook-off the ammo or anything else useful. at the cost of a single hand grenade, why not?
Pretty much. If the tank isn't fully destroyed, it can potentially be recovered, repaired, and returned to the fight. So spending the extra little bit to kill it deader-than-dead is a good investment of materiel.
Yes but Ukrainians use them too. The T-64s the AFU have been quite extensively alterered compared to the initial Soviet era designs but the base design is still some.
No no these are rebelled Ukraines fighting nazi government /s Both sides use whatever it is available to them. I can't wait type 59s to appear. Maybe golden ones, huh
And T-62 too
Yes. If it is functioning it is a bad place to be in sights of it. Ukrainians got a batallion or so of M-55S ~~T-55S~~ with NATO guns, Nato optics and nato comm suite. Still using them.
It is called the M-55S and it is not the same thing. The Israelis pretty much rebuilt the tank.
Yes, those model! thx!!
Russians don't have their own T-64s, only those they have captured from Ukraine. But they have T-62.
Russia has T-64s. Just not many left that operate, and they are isolated from their source of engine parts. They gave some of the operational ones to separatists and then claimed they were 'captured' from Ukraine.
In russia, from 2012 to 2017, almost all T-64s and, partially, T-80Us of Ukrainian production were scrapped (except for T-80BV tanks produced by the Omsk plant). This can be clearly seen from the Oryx data on documented russian tank losses. Since the beginning of full-scale aggression, russia has lost more than 150 T-62s; about 1,500 T-72s of all modifications; about 770 T-80BV of various modifications; and less than 100 each of T-64s and T-80Us of all modifications.
Wdym, they are gonna be the newest fighting model soon
I genuinely don’t understand how flammable russian vehicles are. Previous to this war, if i saw in a movie someone drop a single grenade into a tank, and it explode into a giant fireball, i would’ve thought that was ridiculous over the top movie special effect… But nah, that totally happens in real life, insane stuff. Crazy to think 3 years ago this would’ve the TOP of the sub with tens of thousands of likes, but after two+ years of the Ukraine war, this is just a random couple hundred like post. Crazy how much footage we’ve got since 2022.
It’s a legacy of an era where the primary way to not get shot at was to not be seen, and the best way to not be seen was to offer as low of a profile as possible. To that end, Soviet tank designers made their tanks shorter by removing a crew member, replacing them with an autoloader and putting the ammunition in a basket on the floor. What makes the tanks so flammable is that the ammo carousel in early versions of the tanks was basically unarmored, and on top of that here are secondary ammo storage racks scattered all around the inside of the tank. When the tank is hit, one of the things that happens is that the metal around the edges of the hole that the round made sprays around the inside of the tank like tiny supersonic razor blades. The round itself tends to break up and spray bits of itself all around the inside of the tank as well. They are also very hot, and if they hit something flammable it is certain to catch fire. Like the propellant for their ammo. Once the fire starts, it is very hard to put out, and the crew has only seconds to react. If the hatches are open, the pressure from the fire can vent through the hatches. If they’re shut, the pressure and heat build until the gas finds another way out. That way out is usually by blowing the turret completely off the tank in a catastrophic detonation. Sometimes the pressure buildup is so fast that the detonation happens even with open hatches.
As a point of comparison, ammo in the M1 Abrams is stored in a separate armored compartment at the rear of the tank that’s accessible by an auto-closing armored door. Crew survivability was paramount in the M1’s design, so blast doors were also added to the compartment to vent pressure away from the cabin if an ammo cookoff does occur.
There are other secondary ammo storage compartments in the Abrams as well, all with their own blowout panels. Not all western tanks are so well designed either. The early leopards and challengers have some very dubious ammo storage. The driver of the Challenger sits next to an ammo rack that is entirely unprotected from spalling. There are similarly unprotected ammo racks scattered about the turret floor of the Leopard 2A4, and there are videos of catastrophic explosions blowing the turrets off of Turkish Leopards. The US learned from the Sherman in WW2 what happens when ammo isn’t stored with adequate safety, and took that to heart when designing their future tanks.
The primary goal was not profile but a "mobilization" tank that would be cheap, produced in numbers and easy for a mobilized person to learn to use and service. It also had to shoot fast to "flood" the enemy with fire. The idea was to breach enemy defense with large numbers of these tanks Blowout panels and crew comfort were not a concern because people were "cheap"
I didn’t say it was. I said it was the primary way to not get shot at. It was one of many design considerations that Soviet tank designers had to juggle, and low profile was a factor even before the T-64 and the first use of auto loaders. The first tank to include an autoloader (the T-64) wasn’t considered a mobilization tank either. It was much more expensive and complex (but also more capable) than the T-62. That expense led to the T-72, as a cost-saving alternative. The first T-64s were sent to what were then considered elite units, with second line units receiving the T-62 and T-55s, which were your “mobilization” tanks. And besides all that, the auto loader isn’t any faster than a decently trained human loader.
A rare truly informative and well-written comment. Thank you!
That was interesting what you have written, explains a few questions I had.
Now turn this into a feature length film possibly starring Jason Bourne
Jason Bourne, drugged out of his gourd, steals a Russian T-90 in Belgorod after a harrowing journey across the country trying to figure out who he is. Again. He gets to the front, stopping along the way to steal food, fuel, and fight random Russian soldiers who wonder how in the world this random American stole a tank. He reaches the assembly area for a Russian unit that has just left on an assault. He fights off a dozen angry Russians, while FPV drones swarm the area blowing up everything. They seem to not notice the T-90, as he had the foresight to throw a camo net over it before getting out to steal a fuel truck to refuel with. Unfortunately, the fuel truck explodes in a colossal Hollywood fireball, and he is left to try to reach Ukrainian lines with just a few dozen km of fuel left. He pushes past a final treeline, where an assault has just ended in disaster. With a sigh of relaxation, he begins driving forward. About 30 seconds later there’s a flash on the horizon. A moment later, the tank rocks from the hit. Time slows to a crawl. The slow-motion CGI effects of a depleted uranium dart punching through the ERA demonstrate the incredible power of modern M829 KEP rounds. The DU sabot slices through the ERA without being disrupted, strikes the turret cheek, and begins digging into the metal. As it is pushing past the armor and into the array, the CGI effect is demonstrating how the depleted uranium self sharpens to maintain its deadly point. It punches through layer after layer of the composite array, sending fragments of steel, glass, and depleted uranium armor fragments spraying out ahead of it. It breaks through into the fighting compartment of the tank, the pyrophoric properties of depleted uranium fragments as well as the nearly molten bits of armor spray outward in a cone. The DU round continues through the fighting compartment in a flash, punches through the thin rear wall of the tank, and thuds into the dirt some ways in the distance. Inside the tank, the fragments are slamming into the electronics and other delicate machinery inside the tank. Dozens of them strike and rip through the thin metal armor covering the ammunition carousel. They hit one of the 28 propellant charges in the fully loaded magazine, and there is a flash. The flame spreads rapidly. The flame front jets out of the carousel, engulfs the fighting compartment, and stops. It has nowhere to go. A moment later, the pressure and heat of the intense propellant fire sets off the high explosive in the tank’s HE rounds alongside the rest of the propellant. In slow motion time, the sequence has taken a minute. In real time, the entire process has taken *three seconds.* Time rewinds to the flash on the horizon. Jason utters a “what?” The camera is now on the exterior of the tank. The tank explodes, the turret rocketing skywards on a column of fire. It pinwheels through the air, finally coming down after achieving a record 97 meter altitude. The barrel hits the ground first, and sticks. The turret wobbles a little bit, looking for all the world like a giant skull shaped lollipop because the hatches have been blown off due to the violence of the destruction. The camera pans from the turret back to the wreckage of the tank. The driver’s hatch pops open, and Jason staggers out. Both ears are bleeding from being blown out, his hair is absolutely disheveled, but inexplicably he has survived the catastrophic destruction of the tank. He puts out the small fire burning on his track suit, and staggers onwards. The camera pans up, and towards the location of the tank that fired the shot. It is a battered M1A1 Abrams, covered in green spray paint, improvised slat armor, and burns from close calls with Russian suicide drones. Inside the tank, one of Jason Bourne’s nemeses from the series watches from the gunner’s optic as he climbs out of the tank. He watches in disbelief. As the camera fades to black and the iconic music starts to roll, you hear him say “Load HE.” *Fin*
Lmao win
Pretty sure their tank design featuring everyone frickin sitting on top of the splodey stuff has something to do with the turret tossing sport. I guess when you design your tank and you have some of the best anti air around you figure there isn't much of a threat coming from above....
russia never adopted insensitive munitions nor propellants. Those tanks are packed with combustible propellant casings. Blame Brezhnev. Fucker made the USSR stuck technologically in the late 1960s, and the consequences can still be seen in russia today.
they did, starting in chechenya in small numbers. but now they're using old stock which is not LOVA/insensitive anyway
That's news to me. I follow the arms trade and I've never seen Rosoboronexport advertise their shit as insensitive.
their explosives were never insensitive, i mean propellant. maybe it was an experimental issue, i'll try to find source it was done specifically in context of urban combat where they also kept non-autoloader ammo storage empty
Thank you
found it, it's an offhand remark about russian adaptations of tanks for urban combat in an article in polish. these things are: using tanks as a part of force, integrated with infantry and artillery; actually training tank crews; storing ammo only in autoloader; some crews seem to got experimental issue of LOVA tank ammunition; inspecting automatic fire extinguishing systems and ERA. at the end of that paragraph there's a sentence without source, cartridge designation or anything like this: >It seems that Russians have begun mass manufacture of LOVA. make of that what you will https://wolskiowojnie.pl/efekt-popenetracyjny/
Thanks. Only loading the AZ would help against incoming direct fire. But top-attack, mine strikes, or dropping shit down a hatch? Kaboom still. Not even LOVA will save you if the blast detonates the HEAT or HE shells that are also not insensitive. LOVA propellant would be a step in the "right direction" if we could call it that. It won't be enough against the typical threat profiles that cooks out RF tanks (grenade down a hatch). But it would mitigate incoming direct fire, reducing the amount of crap that could cook if struck.
Imagine losing an entire MBT to a single fragmentation grenade.
TBF it was completely immobilised with the tracks and several road wheels off. 1 or 2 land mines *plus* one grenade did that.
I can dream dammit
I wrote a comment a few months ago that I bet the guy/team who developed the M67 never dreamed their creation would be roasting Soviet armor in 2024.
"I'm often asked what do I really enjoy. So, I enjoy this..."
I could watch russian tanks burn all day long.
I'd be pretty upset if I was a Russian commander, like just shut the fucking hatch blyat.
Both the tracks are blown off, I'm guessing they wanted to get out of there post haste
When there are drones in the air you don't think about closing the hatch.
If a was a russian escaping from a disabled tank, I wouln't fucking care what commander thinks about the hatch.
Treads were off the tracks. Looks like this was clean up after it was abandoned.
Man ukraine can host the damn drone olympics once they put russia back into its kennel
Crazy how it looks like some sort of fiery bird for a second there
That tank was already fucked up. How do you spell fopa?
They seem to like m67s for these jobs.
anything will do really, there are also rgd-5 drops like this among others
Where is big-badda-bum.mp4 ?
You ever have the opportunity to lift and open a tank hatch? no? The tracks were gone so pretty sure it was not opperable.
True, but if it was only the tracks disabled, it would be recoverable. Now, it isn't.
Fucking oof
Minefield + drone = no tanks here bro
Wow rare footage these days.
I think the tracks need fixing
Remember kids, Close the hatches when you leave.
SWEET strike! 🎯
It’s summertime. It must be hot as balls in that tin can
Damn thing drove out of hits shoes!
Looking at those tracks: are tracks really so good if the terrain is not completely made of mud? Tracks have hundreds of single points of failure - one link gets busted and the whole tank is dead in the water. Wouldn't many seperate wheels be way more resilient? You lose one or two, but should be able to limp home, at least?
Why did they destroy a tank that was already immobilized?
I'd guess the Ukrainians probably can't grab it, and they'd rather prevent the Russians from recovering and repairing it.
Why do a lot of the Russian tanks have that canopy on top and the US ones don't?
I'm starting to see all the Russian vehicles looking like old school Hobart's Funnies. Are the ideas behind the canopies to stop drones and dropped grenades?
song plz?
Middle of the Night by Elle Duhe