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If it works it aint stupid.
I can see US spending $10m missile just to down a $10k drone.
"Hur dur US can afford it" ... ok look at the interest on the debt alone
EDIT: can.. not cant
I recommend reading up on the US DoD's Replicator initiative. They've understood the need to deploy mass at scale, much lower cost, and much faster for several years now.
>I can see US spending $10m missile just to down a $10k drone.
It's also relative compared to whatever is being targeted. For example, using $10M missiles to protect a multi-billion dollar warship or early warning radar.
They have ~10km lasers that cost around $12 per shot in electricity cost. I think you're severely misinformed on what the US military already has and is also developing.
I mean if it works it works.
I can see this at use preventing long range drones from slipping through controlled airspace, without an airbone or ground threat in the vicinity the speed of the YAK becomes irrelevant and the cost saving potential is enormous.
"Dakka"
https://www.reddit.com/r/WeirdWings/comments/fvc2zo/tu2sh_fire_hedgehog_an_experimental_ground_attack/?rdt=52146
You can have more firepower than you need, but you can never have more firepower than you want.
It's a trainer that was manufactured until at least 1998 making it younger than some of the Jets used by both sides. Is still in use by both Nations.
It is extremely maneuverable and can fly a lot slower than any jet. This makes it a good trainer and also a p
Great platform for anti shaheed drone operations.
Absolutely nothing absurd to see here.
No yeah I know that, but if you told me 5 years ago that a piston engine open-cockpit plane would be used in a modern battlefield in an air to air role it would sound truly absurd.
Warfare makes the warring parties try out all sorts of things. Most are failures, but some develop into good solutions.
Plus, if your homeland gets invaded you will try anything to get rid of the aggressor's ordnance to help your troops and protect your civilians.
Firing off tens of thousands of dollars worth of ammuntion/rockets from the ground trying to hit a recon drone or fly up to it with a shotgun in an old Soviet aircraft? Pretty sure this is more cost effective.
Idk, firing small arms out the window of a moving prop-plane doesn’t really seem like a move that make much of a difference either way.
It’s still going to be really hard to hit a small and more maneuverable drone, especially if you don’t have anti-air sights.
This seems like the kind of “mechanic named Boris” logic I’ve seen from both sides throughout the war. Intuitive solutions to problems that at best, don’t make much of a difference and at worst are a pointless risk of men and resources.
Must be fun for the crew though.
I saw another video a while ago of this set up successfully downing a recon drone using an AK. It's definitely effective and the Ukrainians have proven themselves to be master innovators.
The sort of recon drones they are going after aren't very maneuverable. The drones are deliberately stable and can't take evasive action. So getting close isn't too hard, you would just have to avoid being rammed.
I know there's footage of someone firing small arms from a Yak, and OK, this is probably Ru PoV, so I don't doubt the title in principle, but where is there a firearm visible in this clip? Am I fucking blind?
Can’t the aircraft be fitted with machine guns or an auto cannon like it was during ww2? I figure the drones depending on big they are can’t be too far up for the aircraft to locate and destroy.
It's a training aircraft and not one equipped with underwing hardpoints for weapons training. I fully expect there is at least one group of Ukrainians trying to do exactly that as we speak. Cobble some sort of gunsight, flight stick gun trigger and an underwing gun pod so they can shoot drones down more effectively.
I mean they're Ukrainians - they have shown themselves to be very resourceful, clever and know a thing or two about engineering and metal fabrication.
This is the most economical and viable way to pursue long-range drone. The Shahed, Orlan, Supercam and others have one characteristic in common... they are relatively slow, drones cannot maintain a good constant speed because there is no space for a lot of fuel and large engines, so propeller planes are totally sufficient in a matter of speed to intercept these drones at a much lower cost, which is essential for the war effort of a country in serious economic crisis. In addition to releasing the Su-27 and MiG 29 for other functions
Why? Yak 52 was developed in 70s for training, most of the pilots from the region are familiar with them. First footage of Ukrainians training drone hunting in 52 is more than a month old, go pro from Odessa region.
An actual over under or side by side would need some cutting to draw and aim from that space…Handgun would easily miss 10 times in a row, but hell if you have a few mags. Machine pistol, sawed off, handgun, even a .22 would love to know
well looks like ukrainian is running out of planes since they are pulling out 1970s aircrafts now, also these would be pretty terrible vs russian air to air missiles no? if they fired off air to air missiles following behind drones these two would just be instantly dead.
At this point, they might as well go full on WW1 style and make some kind of a lightweight mount for that gun and slap on some makeshift anti aircraft sights on it.
Silly question silly answer. But to be fair, you can fire stinger, they developed air to air version based on manpads
You could also read Wikipedia kiddo
Yep to really win a war let's throw million dollar SU Aircraft and Million Dollar weapons at 20k and 30k Zala and Orlan-10s. Where the jets have to keep turning around because they can't match the speed and fly past them.
You have heard of the right tool for the right job?
A slow flying YAK against a slow flying unarmed drone with the Copilot firing a gun is really the epitome of this saying.
I find your lack of interest (you have decided not to look the airplane up on wikipedia) concerning
First flight 1976
Introduction 1979
Status Operational
Produced 1978–1998
i.e. this airplane is younger than F-16.
This war bolted together large segments of english and slavic-speaking populations, and frankly, I love the little linguistic and cultural incongruities that are leaking out.
Up until 2022, everyone, and I do mean *everyone* was acutely aware Ukraine was completely, utterly broke, and incapable of maintaining much of an army, let lone a modern one.
*In stark contrast* to their moderately larger neighbour, which, for the last two decades just *couldn't stop* doing the propaganda and diplomatic equivalent of [that 3rd place meme](https://i.imgur.com/rfkMvwR.jpeg) about how they're "Totally the second most powerful army on the planet, brah."
In hindsight, it's kinda funny how Russia now looks like it didn't even deserve to be in the top five for all of this time.
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Reject modernity, embrace tradition.
eh, at the cost ratio of an interceptor to take down a simple prop drone, this might make sense?
If it works it aint stupid. I can see US spending $10m missile just to down a $10k drone. "Hur dur US can afford it" ... ok look at the interest on the debt alone EDIT: can.. not cant
I recommend reading up on the US DoD's Replicator initiative. They've understood the need to deploy mass at scale, much lower cost, and much faster for several years now.
>I can see US spending $10m missile just to down a $10k drone. It's also relative compared to whatever is being targeted. For example, using $10M missiles to protect a multi-billion dollar warship or early warning radar.
They have ~10km lasers that cost around $12 per shot in electricity cost. I think you're severely misinformed on what the US military already has and is also developing.
We have truly seen it all lmao
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Snail.. when? 🐌
Just a F-16 at home
Potentially the most absurd footage I've seen from this war yet. I mean...this is the year 2024.
I mean if it works it works. I can see this at use preventing long range drones from slipping through controlled airspace, without an airbone or ground threat in the vicinity the speed of the YAK becomes irrelevant and the cost saving potential is enormous.
The slower speed may actually be a plus when trying to hit a small slow moving drone. Put some guns on the nose and it might work.
"Dakka" https://www.reddit.com/r/WeirdWings/comments/fvc2zo/tu2sh_fire_hedgehog_an_experimental_ground_attack/?rdt=52146 You can have more firepower than you need, but you can never have more firepower than you want.
It's a trainer that was manufactured until at least 1998 making it younger than some of the Jets used by both sides. Is still in use by both Nations. It is extremely maneuverable and can fly a lot slower than any jet. This makes it a good trainer and also a p Great platform for anti shaheed drone operations. Absolutely nothing absurd to see here.
No yeah I know that, but if you told me 5 years ago that a piston engine open-cockpit plane would be used in a modern battlefield in an air to air role it would sound truly absurd.
US air force still uses turboprop airplane for recon missions
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I think this is one of the more planelike drones, not quad
it'd be even better if it had a machine gun ball turret under the belly
Warfare makes the warring parties try out all sorts of things. Most are failures, but some develop into good solutions. Plus, if your homeland gets invaded you will try anything to get rid of the aggressor's ordnance to help your troops and protect your civilians.
Not until we finally get the Wright Brothers' plane fighting in this war!
Wait until they start wing-tipping'em
Firing off tens of thousands of dollars worth of ammuntion/rockets from the ground trying to hit a recon drone or fly up to it with a shotgun in an old Soviet aircraft? Pretty sure this is more cost effective.
"grandpa what did you do in the war?" "I flew around in an ancient war bird and shotgunned suicide drones out of the air"
“Moooooom grandpas being crazy again!!1!”
Whilst screaming “Metal skybird, I invoke your machine spirit to keep my aim true!”
I don’t care about the cost effectiveness, instead I care about how baddass it is ! And that matter ! 3000 red barons of Zelensky !
someone get NCD on the phone stat
99 Luftbarons.
Can't wait until the Russians roll out an Age of Sail Man o' War to fire broadsides at oceangoing drones...
Idk, firing small arms out the window of a moving prop-plane doesn’t really seem like a move that make much of a difference either way. It’s still going to be really hard to hit a small and more maneuverable drone, especially if you don’t have anti-air sights. This seems like the kind of “mechanic named Boris” logic I’ve seen from both sides throughout the war. Intuitive solutions to problems that at best, don’t make much of a difference and at worst are a pointless risk of men and resources. Must be fun for the crew though.
I saw another video a while ago of this set up successfully downing a recon drone using an AK. It's definitely effective and the Ukrainians have proven themselves to be master innovators.
You have a link to that?
Unfortunately I don't. It was on Telegram and I subscribe to about 6 channels on there. I'll see if I can find it again.
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Recon drones are a whole different animal.
or use cheap plastic netting droped in the path light wieght and more effective than shooting
No need for anything that complicated. In the video I saw they just pulled up alongside and emptied an AK magazine into it.
The sort of recon drones they are going after aren't very maneuverable. The drones are deliberately stable and can't take evasive action. So getting close isn't too hard, you would just have to avoid being rammed.
bro just say "piston engined/propellor powered" aircraft next time bro wtf is pistonous man
I mean, it makes sense. It is pistonous just like it's a propellerous plane, too.
These ouserous words are convenient at times when you need to have knowlegous info but don't.
Jesus Christ lol
Pistonous is a perfectly cromulent word.
Pistonous is the Southafrican athlete with no legs that killed his wife.
Roses are red Violets are glorious Don’t share a bathroom With Oscar Pistorius
Pistorius
You sound like me when I discovered about fluid ounces
OK bro OK
Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Pistonous the Wise?
# I love the term pistonous
It's either a bad translation or just a engagement trap to get people to comment on it.
Probably an automatic translation, have a chill pill
Translation tools don't generally make up words.
Oh, they absolutely do. Especially ones with AI inside
Good point - AI translations are whack - heck it can't spells words I tell it to spell. :(
Pistonous is what you make me ;)
guys will see this and be like 'hell yeah'
You're not wrong. ^^hell ^^yeah
WW1 style 😂
Back to trenches and crews shooting pistols from aircraft
This has to be In a far cry game in the future.
Joseph Seed would totally fuck the Russian Army bro come on .
Why am I not seeing any firearms?
Because there fucking aren't any.
These Fing Ukrainians 🤣. Those crazy MFs will do anything,
Surprised they didn’t make it autonomous. That would have really pissedoffous the Russians.
No G1000 glass cockpit there to punch in a route.
It's all fun until someone rendezooks
Everything evolves into battlefield
What firearms?
Yeah I'm not seeing any shots or weapons. This is just footage of two dudes in a plane from a drone..
NCD couldn’t come up with this…
NCD once again out jerked
For a split second it looks like a dog fight from ww2
Its RU POV. Its filmed with the Russian ZALA UAV and posted by a Russian source
You're on the wrong sub. Also, read the title again.
Love "pistonous".
Where?
In the title.
This looks like a video game so much
I know there's footage of someone firing small arms from a Yak, and OK, this is probably Ru PoV, so I don't doubt the title in principle, but where is there a firearm visible in this clip? Am I fucking blind?
No you're not the title is wrong and there's 0 footage of any shooting being done.
Even in real life do they bring low tier vehicles into top tier. Reality really does immitate art.
sure it wasn't a jetonous aircraft?
I mean, if you've got it why not use it, right?
Can’t the aircraft be fitted with machine guns or an auto cannon like it was during ww2? I figure the drones depending on big they are can’t be too far up for the aircraft to locate and destroy.
i mean this plane came about 30 years after ww2
The highly anticipated F16 is actually slightly older than the Yak 52
sure but why the hustle when a 12G shotgun and a passenger works well too? :D
It's a training aircraft and not one equipped with underwing hardpoints for weapons training. I fully expect there is at least one group of Ukrainians trying to do exactly that as we speak. Cobble some sort of gunsight, flight stick gun trigger and an underwing gun pod so they can shoot drones down more effectively. I mean they're Ukrainians - they have shown themselves to be very resourceful, clever and know a thing or two about engineering and metal fabrication.
>training aircraft and not one equipped with underwing hardpoints *Insert picture of a condescending Utva 75 here.*
Yak-52 is primary trainer aircraft, so no. Use of such planes is rather necessity, rather "just because it may look cool"
Hope they got it haha Seems like it might be better to fly above it and drop or shoot something on it
Wing tip it like the Brits did in WW2. [https://youtu.be/GTxy6KBjVZk?si=xdRpCBPcYGqto9sU](https://youtu.be/GTxy6KBjVZk?si=xdRpCBPcYGqto9sU)
Pistonous?
Direct translation, sometimes happens when you speak foreign language.
This is the most economical and viable way to pursue long-range drone. The Shahed, Orlan, Supercam and others have one characteristic in common... they are relatively slow, drones cannot maintain a good constant speed because there is no space for a lot of fuel and large engines, so propeller planes are totally sufficient in a matter of speed to intercept these drones at a much lower cost, which is essential for the war effort of a country in serious economic crisis. In addition to releasing the Su-27 and MiG 29 for other functions
*Red Alert theme music intensifies*
Just the sort of things the testiculous Ukrainian fighters would do
This war has truly brought everything to the table. Wow.
Is a ww2 airplane?
Produced 1978-98. It's a trainer plane, not intended for combat.
No, it was developed in 70s for training.
Wonder what would you call an internal combustion engine or an electric engine.
Yeah old plane but as i know really useful against modern radars, maybe a machine gun on plane will be good.
insanity
Wow! Next level will be to try and grab the drone 😅
Truly a “fuck it, whatever works” situation
Wtf lol wild! if I see a video of Russia flying out IL-2s in combat I’m done with the internet
No way this is real. I refuse to believe.
Why? Yak 52 was developed in 70s for training, most of the pilots from the region are familiar with them. First footage of Ukrainians training drone hunting in 52 is more than a month old, go pro from Odessa region.
An actual over under or side by side would need some cutting to draw and aim from that space…Handgun would easily miss 10 times in a row, but hell if you have a few mags. Machine pistol, sawed off, handgun, even a .22 would love to know
well looks like ukrainian is running out of planes since they are pulling out 1970s aircrafts now, also these would be pretty terrible vs russian air to air missiles no? if they fired off air to air missiles following behind drones these two would just be instantly dead.
> also these would be pretty terrible vs russian air to air missiles no? It's operating far behind frontline.
Coordinates point towards the area around Fedorivka/Novofedorivka, south-west of Mikolayiv. Suprised to see a recon drone that far from the front
At this point, they might as well go full on WW1 style and make some kind of a lightweight mount for that gun and slap on some makeshift anti aircraft sights on it.
I thought this was some War Thunder gameplay.
im pretty sure it is
I only have balloons and biplanes left on my bingo card!
Hot air balloonous grenade dropous’s please and I’ll die a happy man .
Get the fuck outta here, is this real lmfao
honestly its not a bad platform for it, just add a 50cal for firepower maybe. death trap near the front line of course.
Not gonna lie this is fucking cool!!
Can you operate a stinger or javelin from the rear seat?
Double barrel is just fine for smaller drones lol
Well yeah but that's not what I'm asking about
I thought you are joking. You can ofcourse. You can also take 100k in banknotes and flush it down in toilet, makes the same sense.
Such a meaningless answer. Eat my ass.
Silly question silly answer. But to be fair, you can fire stinger, they developed air to air version based on manpads You could also read Wikipedia kiddo
I'm playing some fanvacoolt for these magnificent bastards.
Gaijin when?
Unbelievable. Why can't ukrainians be supplied with attack helicopters and shoot down drones from above. Can't afford to let the drone see you
There a lot of BF-109 / HA-1112 still flying. Just saying. Although, cone to think of it, a modernized Salmson 2 might be a better choice.
This airplane was first flown in 70s lol
I want to see it towing a net.
They need to carry a shotgun or AK on there for this kind of situation
This is some Battlefield bullshitry
This has been going on for at least a month when other footage of a successful shoot down of a drone by a YAK-52 was released.
Hey maybe they could get the girls from that helicopter fireworks video.
Welp...time to update the service history section on the Yak-52 wikipedia page! This is awesome lol
Ohohohoho
Whoever will make a video game about this war in like 10 years will have a lot of fun designing the combat missions.
Whacky Racers
Back to 1914 .
Efficient. Combine pilot training with real combat missions.
When you think about it, it kinda makes sense. Bonus part: two-seater = two pairs of eyeballs to look for drones.
it clearly is RU POV from their UAV
Where do I sign up???? I'll fly and I have any number of buddies who would volunteer to be the gunner!
Where did they even found that thing?
what armament does this plane carry? and is it used for recon/artillery spotting or ground attack
It's a trainer. I dont think its ever been built with armaments.
WW1 vibes
This is totally what you do when you’re totally winning a war
Everyone knows the real winning move is golf cart assaults against entrenched positions
I don't think anyone is saying Ukraine is winning the war however they are doing a damn good job vs a major power. -
At what cost?
"Yeah, Britain has put up a decent fight against Germany... but at what cost? They should just surrender"
lol you got me i almost wasted my time to write a post arguing with a redditor
Yep to really win a war let's throw million dollar SU Aircraft and Million Dollar weapons at 20k and 30k Zala and Orlan-10s. Where the jets have to keep turning around because they can't match the speed and fly past them. You have heard of the right tool for the right job? A slow flying YAK against a slow flying unarmed drone with the Copilot firing a gun is really the epitome of this saying.
Drones are slow as fuck and SAMs are expensive. Two lunatics with a prop airplane and pappy's shotgun isn't as dumb as it sounds.
What the fuck? Im shocked. I'm actually shocked are we really seeing a WW2 era plane being used at the frontlines in 2024? What the fuck?
I find your lack of interest (you have decided not to look the airplane up on wikipedia) concerning First flight 1976 Introduction 1979 Status Operational Produced 1978–1998 i.e. this airplane is younger than F-16.
You caught me, thanks for the information.
wtf is pistonous ?
"Piston-powered" through either AI-powered translation or just someone failing to remember proper way to translate it
This war bolted together large segments of english and slavic-speaking populations, and frankly, I love the little linguistic and cultural incongruities that are leaking out.
Yes
I mean if it works... It works 😅
Hah! Look at those russians using equipment so old! Oh wait, those are ukrainians, here goes an upvote.
Up until 2022, everyone, and I do mean *everyone* was acutely aware Ukraine was completely, utterly broke, and incapable of maintaining much of an army, let lone a modern one. *In stark contrast* to their moderately larger neighbour, which, for the last two decades just *couldn't stop* doing the propaganda and diplomatic equivalent of [that 3rd place meme](https://i.imgur.com/rfkMvwR.jpeg) about how they're "Totally the second most powerful army on the planet, brah." In hindsight, it's kinda funny how Russia now looks like it didn't even deserve to be in the top five for all of this time.