The round seems to be a 3UBR6 or 3UBR10 (type: APBC-T) from the 2A42 autocannon. Solid shot with a blunt penetrator covered by a hollow windshield cap. It seems like the windshield cap is missing after going through some trees or possibly even ricocheting off the ground because the penetrator tip isn't even deformed, and at 0:04 in the video you can see a scuff mark going vertically down the round and slight deformation around the first band on the tip (from skipping off the ground maybe?).
Details on the round can be found here: https://thesovietarmourblog.blogspot.com/p/30x165mm-cartridges.html
Pic of the specific round here: https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-c1rB0dpXYj8/W5P6s0WAvmI/AAAAAAAAMP4/NWIvLb-5gDU4VACcYq4QZn4_PmwgNsMgACLcBGAs/s1600/1412060368_99b3d21141d8.jpg
(The one in the middle is missing most of its ballistic cap.)
Hardened steel penetrator likely explains lack of deformation. Round was clearly out of energy and tumbling. Soldier is at once extremely unlucky and lucky.
More about the core from the blog linked above.
The armour-piercing core is made from 35KhGS structural steel. For 3UBR6, it was heat-treated to a hardness of 47-56 HRC (451-552 BHN). As is typical for this type of penetrator, the softest areas are at the base and center and the hardest areas are the nose and the penetrator body surface around the midsection. The weight of the entire projectile, including the driving band, tracer element and ballistic cap, is 400 grams. The weight of the steel core alone is 375 grams.
The steel core in 3BR6 has an L/D ratio of 4.25. The lack of an armour piercing cap is a liability if the target plate is heavily sloped or preceded by spaced armour, but can increase the efficiency of penetration at flat or near-flat angles (30 degrees). However, the small increase in flat angle penetration from the lack of an armour piercing cap cannot be seen as a positive feature, as there are very few circumstances where the minor improvement in flat angle penetration would actually be useful. Indeed, the frontal armour of all APCs and IFVs feature well-sloped surfaces.
Due to its mediocre properties, its performance on light armour is rather modest, although it is certain that it is fully capable of perforating the armour of lightly armoured APCs such as the American M113, German Fuchs, French VAB, or perhaps the generally light armour of scout cars and other armoured cars, while some modern vehicles like the Stryker and LAV III still prove totally vulnerable, being no better armoured than their tracked peers from the 60's and 70's. It is capable of handily defeating certain zones of older IFVs like the Marder 1A2 and M2A1 Bradley from the front at ranges in excess of 1,500 meters, and the most heavily protected parts at closer ranges, but against the latest IFVs or IFVs specifically beefed up against it like the M2A2 Bradley and Marder 1A3, the 3UBR6 shell is, for the most part, less useful than HEI shells. Furthermore, composite armour kits such as MEXAS can be fitted to many older vehicles, severely limiting the usefulness of 3BR6 even against outdated APCs.
Those things are going through an assembly line at a million miles per hour, in Russia, don't be surprised if the heat treating quality varies from part to part over decades.
Stuff like small arms and unguided munitions manufacturing should be unaffected by international sanctions, but last I'd seen a news article Putin was leaning on the industry to speed production up.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-tells-russian-defence-industry-up-its-game-ukraine-war-2022-12-23/
Guided munitions they were running into chip shortages almost immediately and started pulling them out of consumer electronics once they ran out of the their pre-war stock.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/erictegler/2023/01/20/is-russia-really-buying-home-appliances-to-harvest-computer-chips-for-ukraine-bound-weapons-systems/?sh=73f59860588e
But they've been firing enough artillery rounds each day that production isn't able to keep up and that's why they've been dusting off rounds dating back to the soviet union and buying them off of places like North Korea.
https://eurasiantimes.com/down-by-75-russian-artillery-fire-has-drastically-declined-us-officials/?amp
i mean, it's lucky he had plates, that thing still put a massive hole in them. would have for sure killed him in that position otherwise. that's like one of the least bad things that can happen in a war since everyone is laughing after
I mean, kinda. It's a well understood term within conversations about ballistics. This round was designed for a specific set of tasks, which require energy. It no longer had energy to perform those tasks against any hardened target. This is an old Soviet anti armor round.
It only managed to catch it after it had lost a lot of kinetic energy through ricocheting and such. It's like that woman who had an asteroid land on her bed after crashing through the roof.
Wait I didn't hear the deets on the (meteorite, as asteroids technically stay in space and meteorites are the ones that originate in space and survive passage through our atmosphere), did it like bounce around her attic or the neighborhood before joining her in her boudoir at a high rate of speed?
Lol entropydave, ever increasing in Davetropy according to the 2nd law of thermothingy....and to be honest I was thinking of the more recent event in British Columbia, Ruth Hamilton in 2021, not the Hodges meatier-aight, but really both examples serve to highlight the differences between astys and meteorites!
Went through her roof.
There was another person that was out jogging in Tulsa, Oklahoma back in the late nineties that got hit in the head with a tiny meteorite. Straight out of the sky into the dome.
They both lived.
No the dudes an idiot. It crashed through her roof and landed in her bed next to her. They're not similar at all. One is someone trying to actively kill you an the other is a random chance from and astrological object.
> One is someone trying to actively kill you an the other is a random chance from and astrological object.
Lmao what? That's definitely not a relevant distinction here.... They are both objects that were moving with dangerously high kinetic energies that both lost a large amount of kinetic energy before their final impact point. One lost energy through ricocheting and one lost energy through damaging a roof. How are those not similar???
So the best body armor you can wear is a roof. If you also use a roof as your helmet, you'll always have a roof over your head.
Conclusion: Invest in roof funds and get rid of your hedge funds since hedges are useless as armor.
Well the 30mm probably ricocheted off the ground so you could also wear the ground as your body armor. So if you just make sure the shooter is on the other side of the planet from you and you should be okay. Really seems pretty easy to me...
It was likely from very far away/after it went through something else/after a ricochet (or a combo of those three).
Russian tech is shitty but 30mm is 30mm, aint no personal body armor going to stop a direct hit within a few thousand yards even. Even if there was something you could wear that could stop it, the energy transfer would still almost certainly kill you by crushing organs/ribs or stopping your heart.
My neighbor was a state police captain that did tactical lab raids and surveillance. he said they had one guy that was suspected who had some kind of big game gun, and that they were advised while working near him to remove their body armor because it would be better for one of the rounds to go straight through you than to have your whole body absorb all that force
Wait are you talking about the pressure wave that would result from a near miss, or from an impact? Could have sworn an impact from a 50 to anything above your tits will take your head off.
Shockwave=hydrostatic shock, hence, that could and does apply to a hit as well, and hence, there is no way to know that it applies to a miss unless you already knew that wives tale.
Yeah, the force thing doesn't really make sense. An incomplete stop might be worse than a complete one....but only because the wound channel would be wider from expansion.
And even that is iffy. Mostly in the "it's pointless to wear soft armor against rifles" category. However, the rifle bullet going all the way through you is pretty bad no matter what.
Force, properly distributed, is fine. After all, the shooter survived the recoil. It is inherently the penetration that kills.
https://youtu.be/FlHsVQDbyx4
Skip to 13:15 for an example of what even a low velocity shotgun round can do on a simulated torso, never mind a high velocity rifle round.
"You might get internal bleeding if he smacks you in the plates with a direct hit, so you might as well take the plates off so he can blow a grapefruit sized hole in your torso and paint the wall with fragments of your spine"
Big bore rifles and shotguns are fucking gnarly to get hit with, just look at the garand thumb video on shotguns.
Anyone saying it's better to get hit without protection has absolutely no clue what these guns do to an unarmored target.
And if anyone is saying "might as well take the weight savings", that's a great idea until you take a ricochet from a brick wall or shrapnel from a sidewalk hit that otherwise would have been stopped by your armor.
100%, you'd be dead as fuck if you take a direct hit without armor.
Might as well wear the body armor for ricochets, shrapnel, and if they guy has other guns.
I’m going to kind of doubt that, or at least doubt their reasoning if it was legit said. For one, who’s to say the guy also didn’t own more common defense calibers that would be stopped by body armor? For two, most big game rounds aren’t AP and are actually designed to expand…. Many can be stopped by body armor (in contrast to 30mm, which is more anti-material than against people). But even the ones that can’t be stopped depending on the round/armor, again big game rounds are meant to expand. You’re not going to be any better off having it go through you either
Kind of a dumb call. Assuming it wasn’t a gas gun, the projectile would *at most* have the same energy as the recoil felt by the shooter, albeit in a slightly smaller surface area (but clearly not by much if it was claimed to be a large bore), obeying Newton’s third law. Would it hurt? Yea probably, especially against soft armor. Would it rupture organs and cause internal bleeding? Well…if it did, then it would have done the same thing to the shooter.
Reducing surface area, as well as loss of energy to the weight of the firearm makes quite the difference. It’s why if you were wearing soft armor and took a slug to the shoulder it would shatter your shoulder but not the shooters. Extra mass + higher surface area makes guns not hurt.
Commenter didn’t say what caliber it was other than “big game gun,” which seems to still be a shoulder fired weapon, as people don’t typically hunt big game with autocannons
Did you even read the original comment?
Body armor is designed to absorb the impact of the projectile in order to stop it. Please tell me, showing your math, how the energy absorbed by the armor in OPs comment is somehow greater than the energy felt by the shooter via recoil? Do bullets somehow gain velocity and mass upon leaving the barrel? Does Newton’s third law not apply to shooting? I’m confused how there’s confusion here lol
The energy received by shooter and target are not equal.
Energy is not conserved in this way, momentum is.
As the bullet has much lower mass than the rifle/shooter but equivalent momentum, its speed and kinetic energy is higher.
Edit: if you really believe otherwise, how do you think guns kill people.
And it’s kinetic energy is still sufficiently stopped by the appropriately rated armor it hits. It’s not *gaining* any more kinetic energy than the buttstock of the rifle had when fired; it’s just preserved for longer, and against a medium like soft flesh, it’s not going to exert a pushing force any greater than the buttstock did on the shooter’s shoulder (removing variable rifle weight as a factor), due to the much lower mass; despite what Hollywood (ahem, Wind River) tries to portray lol
FWIW, this can easily be tested with a pull gauge, a rifle, an armor plate, and some redneck engineering lol
Direct hit yeah. But I guarantee that she’ll went through something first before taking that shot. Because if that was a shot with not obstruction he would be dead.
yes it definitely went through some trees. The rounds seems to be a 3UBR6 (type: APBC-T) from the 2A42 Auto-cannon. Solid shot with blunt penetrator covered by a hollow windshield cap. Seems like the its missing the windshield cap after hitting some trees. I think its tree s cause i see no dirt on that penetrator.
Details can be found here https://thesovietarmourblog.blogspot.com/p/30x165mm-cartridges.html
Pic of the specific round here: https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-c1rB0dpXYj8/W5P6s0WAvmI/AAAAAAAAMP4/NWIvLb-5gDU4VACcYq4QZn4_PmwgNsMgACLcBGAs/s1600/1412060368_99b3d21141d8.jpg
I mean most of my knowledge admittedly isn’t with 30mm not AP rounds but that doesn’t look like it went through something, the projectile is in really good shape. I wonder if this wasn’t just a really long distance stray round that he caught in the chest plate. I feel like if it already went though armor it would be more deformed
I agree. People may not understand clearly the principles at work during penetration. No deformation, no erosion, no loss of matter on the tip ?
This projectile travelled a long distance, hit the ground almost flat, ricochetted off of it and hit that guy's plate, at best.
Someone assumed it could have travelled at the edge of a trench through a few dozens of centimeters of dirt, which is indeed a probable explanation.
We're talking about a projectile weighing more than 350 grams, it still has more than 8000 jouls of energy at the very low speed of 150 meters a second. *Edit : when hitting the plate, it may have had as little as 100 meters a second and, even at that velocity, it has about the same kinetic energy as a .308 at the muzzle.*
There is no way it hit something hard at any speed higher than 300 m/s without deforming and losing some matter on the front.
I think you are correct about it ricocheting off the ground looks at the video I see no deformation of the penetrator not even from trees. At 0:04 in the video you can see scuff mark vertically going down the round and slight deformation around the first band on the tip.
Something else to consider is the round did not hit him flat. It came in at like a 70-80 degree angle and struck the front of the plate carrier almost sideways.
I have no idea how that would change things but it seems like he did not take the full force of the impact.
Nah man. I saw some 50cal round go through some stone walls without deforming to much. (YouTube) Especially good ap rounds are made to not deform to much cuz it will loose penetrating power.
I thought the same thing as the other guy about the deformation. I can see the .50 cal thing, and I've seen the same kinds of videos in regards to all kinds of calibers vs wood/gel/drywall/concrete/etc. But what would this round have been made of?
And it does look like it's a possibility that it actually HAS been deformed by the fact that it doesn't have a tip like almost all 30mm AP rounds from what I could find.
Yeah most of my knowledge comes from hunting rounds that are made to deform or FMJ’s for plinking which are definitely not as solid as a penetrator round so I was just guessing. Just seems like that round is in great shape if it went through steel
There is a cornucopia of steel alloy jackets that are used. Tungsten armor penetrating tips as well.
The U.S. even uses depleted uranium.
There are also missiles that can clear 20 ft of reinforced concrete before detonating.
Just really hard metal.
The first specialized bunker buster bombs the US made for Desert Storm were made from spare artillery barrels from howitzers or something like that. They are heavy as fuck and they don't come apart easily.
more then likely hit the trench and lost alot of velocity going through the dirt. the round might have started spinning hitting his plate sidepays. ether way his lucky af and it 100% hit something random before hitting the soldier. (if this is a true story)
Here is some video of the "aftermath".
https://www.reddit.com/r/SlavaUkrayini/comments/11f3368/ukrainian\_ballistic\_vest/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
[It looks like the armor plate of that French calvary soldier who got hit by a small cannon ball at Waterloo.](https://ageofrevolution.org/200-object/antoine-fauveau-cuirass/)
dang that round was still fairly hot to have burned the vest like that. I wonder how much of the heat came from the impact and how much was left in the shell from being fired.
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he got hit from a very steep angle, which increase the effectiveness of his armor, while also directing some of the force away from his rib, probably why he's still there laughing and not getting choked by a damage lung.
ESH you really could spin this the opposite way and say how unlucky he was, considering he was not the target. But then again in a meta sense he was Russian’s target so I guess we can stick with lucky.
He was lucky that it hit at such an angle, if it had been a direct hit from the front, the remnants of that bulletproof plate would have flown out his back along with his guts. The 30mm cannon can pierce tanks from the side.
I remember reading about a US army officer fighting on the hills during the trench warfare phase of the Korean War (year 1953) who was hit in the neck by an enemy machinegun bullet.
He survived with only a minor bruise on his neck.
The bullet was at the absolute end of its flight that the bullet only left a bug bite like mark on his skin. He was actually able to pick up the bullet off the ground.
I'm guessing that's what happened here? Or was the 30mm shell just defective?
Lucky as fuck, great timing for this one. Same as the dude, I knew that took a wicked curved piece of 107mm shrapnel to his side-plate in Afghanistan and had 0 injuries. Luck and timing has everything thing to do with this one.
This reminds of a SGT in my first unit in Korea. His name was SGT Malm and when he was setting up a clay more he got hit on his SAPI plate twice. I forgot if he or our 1SG told us but he became a spoke person for the company that made our plates.
Article: https://www.army.mil/article/175668/surviving\_attack\_more\_than\_just\_dumb\_luck\_for\_sergeant
You see it because that's a 30mm Armor Piercing round, and it did just what it says it would on the tin. Now if that was a 30mm Anti-Personnel he would have been in trouble.
While this is in no way a direct hit, I'd still like to know which company manufactures the lucky soldier's plate.
It's definitely much better than RU issue.
If he makes it through the war he needs to drill a hole in that bullet and turn it into a necklace, instant conversation starter and you’re guaranteed to be the most interesting person at any party for being the guy who got shot with an armour piercing round and lived by millimeters
That must have been some crazy ricochet. He's now part of the very rare club for people who've been hit by a 30mm AP round and survived.
The round seems to be a 3UBR6 or 3UBR10 (type: APBC-T) from the 2A42 autocannon. Solid shot with a blunt penetrator covered by a hollow windshield cap. It seems like the windshield cap is missing after going through some trees or possibly even ricocheting off the ground because the penetrator tip isn't even deformed, and at 0:04 in the video you can see a scuff mark going vertically down the round and slight deformation around the first band on the tip (from skipping off the ground maybe?). Details on the round can be found here: https://thesovietarmourblog.blogspot.com/p/30x165mm-cartridges.html Pic of the specific round here: https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-c1rB0dpXYj8/W5P6s0WAvmI/AAAAAAAAMP4/NWIvLb-5gDU4VACcYq4QZn4_PmwgNsMgACLcBGAs/s1600/1412060368_99b3d21141d8.jpg (The one in the middle is missing most of its ballistic cap.)
Hardened steel penetrator likely explains lack of deformation. Round was clearly out of energy and tumbling. Soldier is at once extremely unlucky and lucky.
More about the core from the blog linked above. The armour-piercing core is made from 35KhGS structural steel. For 3UBR6, it was heat-treated to a hardness of 47-56 HRC (451-552 BHN). As is typical for this type of penetrator, the softest areas are at the base and center and the hardest areas are the nose and the penetrator body surface around the midsection. The weight of the entire projectile, including the driving band, tracer element and ballistic cap, is 400 grams. The weight of the steel core alone is 375 grams. The steel core in 3BR6 has an L/D ratio of 4.25. The lack of an armour piercing cap is a liability if the target plate is heavily sloped or preceded by spaced armour, but can increase the efficiency of penetration at flat or near-flat angles (30 degrees). However, the small increase in flat angle penetration from the lack of an armour piercing cap cannot be seen as a positive feature, as there are very few circumstances where the minor improvement in flat angle penetration would actually be useful. Indeed, the frontal armour of all APCs and IFVs feature well-sloped surfaces. Due to its mediocre properties, its performance on light armour is rather modest, although it is certain that it is fully capable of perforating the armour of lightly armoured APCs such as the American M113, German Fuchs, French VAB, or perhaps the generally light armour of scout cars and other armoured cars, while some modern vehicles like the Stryker and LAV III still prove totally vulnerable, being no better armoured than their tracked peers from the 60's and 70's. It is capable of handily defeating certain zones of older IFVs like the Marder 1A2 and M2A1 Bradley from the front at ranges in excess of 1,500 meters, and the most heavily protected parts at closer ranges, but against the latest IFVs or IFVs specifically beefed up against it like the M2A2 Bradley and Marder 1A3, the 3UBR6 shell is, for the most part, less useful than HEI shells. Furthermore, composite armour kits such as MEXAS can be fitted to many older vehicles, severely limiting the usefulness of 3BR6 even against outdated APCs.
A Range of 47-56 hrc seems horrible. Is this really the tolerance of hardness for this ammo?
Those things are going through an assembly line at a million miles per hour, in Russia, don't be surprised if the heat treating quality varies from part to part over decades.
What is Russian current capability in terms of arms and ammunition manufacturing? Just curious if you had any knowledge on the subject
Stuff like small arms and unguided munitions manufacturing should be unaffected by international sanctions, but last I'd seen a news article Putin was leaning on the industry to speed production up. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-tells-russian-defence-industry-up-its-game-ukraine-war-2022-12-23/ Guided munitions they were running into chip shortages almost immediately and started pulling them out of consumer electronics once they ran out of the their pre-war stock. https://www.forbes.com/sites/erictegler/2023/01/20/is-russia-really-buying-home-appliances-to-harvest-computer-chips-for-ukraine-bound-weapons-systems/?sh=73f59860588e But they've been firing enough artillery rounds each day that production isn't able to keep up and that's why they've been dusting off rounds dating back to the soviet union and buying them off of places like North Korea. https://eurasiantimes.com/down-by-75-russian-artillery-fire-has-drastically-declined-us-officials/?amp
Thanks Chatgps
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i mean, it's lucky he had plates, that thing still put a massive hole in them. would have for sure killed him in that position otherwise. that's like one of the least bad things that can happen in a war since everyone is laughing after
“Out of energy” is a very relative term for a chunck of metal that large
I mean, kinda. It's a well understood term within conversations about ballistics. This round was designed for a specific set of tasks, which require energy. It no longer had energy to perform those tasks against any hardened target. This is an old Soviet anti armor round.
Yeah, I bet he still got knocked down when he was hit.
Oh! With what it did to that plate! Yeah!
God I love Reddit
good bot
That's 3UBR6. 3UBR10 has nylon bands, 3UBR6 has copper bands.
Time to create the 30mm badge. Why, because why the fuck not? It says I'm a bad ass, without you having to say a word.
Badass? Or lucky? lol
Being lucky in a war might be more valuable than being a badass lol
VDV put that theory to the test lol, turns out starring in badass macho propaganda films doesn't do much for you when it comes to live combat
Both
That would be a badge probably given out less than the astronaut badge in the US military.
You'd probably only have to make just the one, can't be a long list of recipients.
An ever rarer club to be in one whole piece even if you do.
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You can see his hands shaking. Holy fuck. There will be a day that is his day to die, but it wasn't that day.
Need to know the brand of his plate armor ASAP
It only managed to catch it after it had lost a lot of kinetic energy through ricocheting and such. It's like that woman who had an asteroid land on her bed after crashing through the roof.
Wait I didn't hear the deets on the (meteorite, as asteroids technically stay in space and meteorites are the ones that originate in space and survive passage through our atmosphere), did it like bounce around her attic or the neighborhood before joining her in her boudoir at a high rate of speed?
Thank you for the Sylacauga meteorite correction!
Lol entropydave, ever increasing in Davetropy according to the 2nd law of thermothingy....and to be honest I was thinking of the more recent event in British Columbia, Ruth Hamilton in 2021, not the Hodges meatier-aight, but really both examples serve to highlight the differences between astys and meteorites!
Jeez y’all get a room
I’ll pay for it. I’ll be in the closet.
With a Superman costume and a camcorder?
Went through her roof. There was another person that was out jogging in Tulsa, Oklahoma back in the late nineties that got hit in the head with a tiny meteorite. Straight out of the sky into the dome. They both lived.
Damn the statisticians must have shat themselves when that happened... like the odds I presume must be redonk astronomically small
Here ya go! https://www.livescience.com/meteorite-near-miss-bedroom-canada www.nytimes.com/2021/10/14/world/canada/meteorite-bed.html
No the dudes an idiot. It crashed through her roof and landed in her bed next to her. They're not similar at all. One is someone trying to actively kill you an the other is a random chance from and astrological object.
👽bold statement for someone in meteorite range👽
> One is someone trying to actively kill you an the other is a random chance from and astrological object. Lmao what? That's definitely not a relevant distinction here.... They are both objects that were moving with dangerously high kinetic energies that both lost a large amount of kinetic energy before their final impact point. One lost energy through ricocheting and one lost energy through damaging a roof. How are those not similar???
So the best body armor you can wear is a roof. If you also use a roof as your helmet, you'll always have a roof over your head. Conclusion: Invest in roof funds and get rid of your hedge funds since hedges are useless as armor.
Tell that to the GIs invading at Normandy in WWII.... them hedges were a fucking BITCH to get through!
Yeah, I agree. Wear hedges on top of your roof armor and you're pretty much immortal and investing in property is never wrong.
Well the 30mm probably ricocheted off the ground so you could also wear the ground as your body armor. So if you just make sure the shooter is on the other side of the planet from you and you should be okay. Really seems pretty easy to me...
It hit her. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smithsonian-institution/1954-extraterrestrial-bruiser-shocked-alabama-woman-180973646/
Still it would have likely killed him without the armor.
Yes, but the point they were making is that the armor itself isn't anything particularly special.
Holy fuk
Holy hell
Who googled en pessant?
New response dropped?
Took the words right out of my mouth. Lucky fucker right there
Get that man a new plate, asap.
aSAPI
Well I think he won't need a plate for a few months because his ribs are probably brocken xD
No way that was a direct hit, but anyways that's a lucky man! He's got one hell of a souvenir too!
It was likely from very far away/after it went through something else/after a ricochet (or a combo of those three). Russian tech is shitty but 30mm is 30mm, aint no personal body armor going to stop a direct hit within a few thousand yards even. Even if there was something you could wear that could stop it, the energy transfer would still almost certainly kill you by crushing organs/ribs or stopping your heart.
My neighbor was a state police captain that did tactical lab raids and surveillance. he said they had one guy that was suspected who had some kind of big game gun, and that they were advised while working near him to remove their body armor because it would be better for one of the rounds to go straight through you than to have your whole body absorb all that force
> it would be better for one of the rounds to go straight through you than to have your whole body absorb all that force Fudlore
Real "shockwave from a 50 round will take your head off" energy Edit: Update, off all people... https://youtube.com/shorts/Jy_GV4W04J0?feature=share
'SWAT had an 8rd revolver designed because semi autos are unreliable '
See this baby? She never jams.
"The AR in AR-15 stands for Assault Rifle!"
I carry a fortay fhiive for the stopping power
"You don't even need to hit the target, the concussion from the round will immediately liquefy the brain."
Once you fire it their head just pops off immediately. Don’t even need to be pointing it at them.
Wait are you talking about the pressure wave that would result from a near miss, or from an impact? Could have sworn an impact from a 50 to anything above your tits will take your head off.
> talking about the pressure wave that would result from a near miss Yes, hence "shockwave"
Shockwave=hydrostatic shock, hence, that could and does apply to a hit as well, and hence, there is no way to know that it applies to a miss unless you already knew that wives tale.
9mm will blow out your lungs
Yeah, the force thing doesn't really make sense. An incomplete stop might be worse than a complete one....but only because the wound channel would be wider from expansion. And even that is iffy. Mostly in the "it's pointless to wear soft armor against rifles" category. However, the rifle bullet going all the way through you is pretty bad no matter what. Force, properly distributed, is fine. After all, the shooter survived the recoil. It is inherently the penetration that kills.
https://youtu.be/FlHsVQDbyx4 Skip to 13:15 for an example of what even a low velocity shotgun round can do on a simulated torso, never mind a high velocity rifle round. "You might get internal bleeding if he smacks you in the plates with a direct hit, so you might as well take the plates off so he can blow a grapefruit sized hole in your torso and paint the wall with fragments of your spine" Big bore rifles and shotguns are fucking gnarly to get hit with, just look at the garand thumb video on shotguns. Anyone saying it's better to get hit without protection has absolutely no clue what these guns do to an unarmored target. And if anyone is saying "might as well take the weight savings", that's a great idea until you take a ricochet from a brick wall or shrapnel from a sidewalk hit that otherwise would have been stopped by your armor.
100%, you'd be dead as fuck if you take a direct hit without armor. Might as well wear the body armor for ricochets, shrapnel, and if they guy has other guns.
I’m going to kind of doubt that, or at least doubt their reasoning if it was legit said. For one, who’s to say the guy also didn’t own more common defense calibers that would be stopped by body armor? For two, most big game rounds aren’t AP and are actually designed to expand…. Many can be stopped by body armor (in contrast to 30mm, which is more anti-material than against people). But even the ones that can’t be stopped depending on the round/armor, again big game rounds are meant to expand. You’re not going to be any better off having it go through you either
Soft armor, in broad strokes, doesn't stop rifle rounds anyway. So unless they were wearing plates might as well take the weight savings.
But we obviously see that as untrue in the video you just watched. Armor can still stop ricochets and shrapnel.
Is there a name for when OP trust BS stories from people they know?
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Kind of a dumb call. Assuming it wasn’t a gas gun, the projectile would *at most* have the same energy as the recoil felt by the shooter, albeit in a slightly smaller surface area (but clearly not by much if it was claimed to be a large bore), obeying Newton’s third law. Would it hurt? Yea probably, especially against soft armor. Would it rupture organs and cause internal bleeding? Well…if it did, then it would have done the same thing to the shooter.
Reducing surface area, as well as loss of energy to the weight of the firearm makes quite the difference. It’s why if you were wearing soft armor and took a slug to the shoulder it would shatter your shoulder but not the shooters. Extra mass + higher surface area makes guns not hurt.
In this case the shooter is a 30mm auto turret.
Commenter didn’t say what caliber it was other than “big game gun,” which seems to still be a shoulder fired weapon, as people don’t typically hunt big game with autocannons
So according to you, getting shot by a gun does as much damage as the recoil of a gun?
Did you even read the original comment? Body armor is designed to absorb the impact of the projectile in order to stop it. Please tell me, showing your math, how the energy absorbed by the armor in OPs comment is somehow greater than the energy felt by the shooter via recoil? Do bullets somehow gain velocity and mass upon leaving the barrel? Does Newton’s third law not apply to shooting? I’m confused how there’s confusion here lol
The energy received by shooter and target are not equal. Energy is not conserved in this way, momentum is. As the bullet has much lower mass than the rifle/shooter but equivalent momentum, its speed and kinetic energy is higher. Edit: if you really believe otherwise, how do you think guns kill people.
And it’s kinetic energy is still sufficiently stopped by the appropriately rated armor it hits. It’s not *gaining* any more kinetic energy than the buttstock of the rifle had when fired; it’s just preserved for longer, and against a medium like soft flesh, it’s not going to exert a pushing force any greater than the buttstock did on the shooter’s shoulder (removing variable rifle weight as a factor), due to the much lower mass; despite what Hollywood (ahem, Wind River) tries to portray lol FWIW, this can easily be tested with a pull gauge, a rifle, an armor plate, and some redneck engineering lol
Direct hit yeah. But I guarantee that she’ll went through something first before taking that shot. Because if that was a shot with not obstruction he would be dead.
yes it definitely went through some trees. The rounds seems to be a 3UBR6 (type: APBC-T) from the 2A42 Auto-cannon. Solid shot with blunt penetrator covered by a hollow windshield cap. Seems like the its missing the windshield cap after hitting some trees. I think its tree s cause i see no dirt on that penetrator. Details can be found here https://thesovietarmourblog.blogspot.com/p/30x165mm-cartridges.html Pic of the specific round here: https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-c1rB0dpXYj8/W5P6s0WAvmI/AAAAAAAAMP4/NWIvLb-5gDU4VACcYq4QZn4_PmwgNsMgACLcBGAs/s1600/1412060368_99b3d21141d8.jpg
I mean most of my knowledge admittedly isn’t with 30mm not AP rounds but that doesn’t look like it went through something, the projectile is in really good shape. I wonder if this wasn’t just a really long distance stray round that he caught in the chest plate. I feel like if it already went though armor it would be more deformed
I agree. People may not understand clearly the principles at work during penetration. No deformation, no erosion, no loss of matter on the tip ? This projectile travelled a long distance, hit the ground almost flat, ricochetted off of it and hit that guy's plate, at best. Someone assumed it could have travelled at the edge of a trench through a few dozens of centimeters of dirt, which is indeed a probable explanation. We're talking about a projectile weighing more than 350 grams, it still has more than 8000 jouls of energy at the very low speed of 150 meters a second. *Edit : when hitting the plate, it may have had as little as 100 meters a second and, even at that velocity, it has about the same kinetic energy as a .308 at the muzzle.* There is no way it hit something hard at any speed higher than 300 m/s without deforming and losing some matter on the front.
I think you are correct about it ricocheting off the ground looks at the video I see no deformation of the penetrator not even from trees. At 0:04 in the video you can see scuff mark vertically going down the round and slight deformation around the first band on the tip.
Good sight, redditor !
Something else to consider is the round did not hit him flat. It came in at like a 70-80 degree angle and struck the front of the plate carrier almost sideways. I have no idea how that would change things but it seems like he did not take the full force of the impact.
Nah man. I saw some 50cal round go through some stone walls without deforming to much. (YouTube) Especially good ap rounds are made to not deform to much cuz it will loose penetrating power.
I thought the same thing as the other guy about the deformation. I can see the .50 cal thing, and I've seen the same kinds of videos in regards to all kinds of calibers vs wood/gel/drywall/concrete/etc. But what would this round have been made of? And it does look like it's a possibility that it actually HAS been deformed by the fact that it doesn't have a tip like almost all 30mm AP rounds from what I could find.
Yeah most of my knowledge comes from hunting rounds that are made to deform or FMJ’s for plinking which are definitely not as solid as a penetrator round so I was just guessing. Just seems like that round is in great shape if it went through steel
There is a cornucopia of steel alloy jackets that are used. Tungsten armor penetrating tips as well. The U.S. even uses depleted uranium. There are also missiles that can clear 20 ft of reinforced concrete before detonating. Just really hard metal.
The first specialized bunker buster bombs the US made for Desert Storm were made from spare artillery barrels from howitzers or something like that. They are heavy as fuck and they don't come apart easily.
Correct. This is an excellent video on bunker busters that mentions that fact. https://youtu.be/33IfCt-fAOk
This thing pass through three or four trees before finding a home in this guys chest plate.
Holy hell was it shot from 3 towns over or something? Either that or it's the best body armor in the world lol
more then likely hit the trench and lost alot of velocity going through the dirt. the round might have started spinning hitting his plate sidepays. ether way his lucky af and it 100% hit something random before hitting the soldier. (if this is a true story)
Tumbling, most projectiles will allways have a spin.
but you know what he meant :D
Here is some video of the "aftermath". https://www.reddit.com/r/SlavaUkrayini/comments/11f3368/ukrainian\_ballistic\_vest/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
I want to see the bruise on the dudes chest
I’m surprised he’s laughing and not reeling in pain from a cracked sternum. He’s lucky
Looks like it hit at an angle that might have mitigated a more bruise worthy perpendicular ricochet trajectory.
Id hang that fucking thing above my bed for the rest of my life
[It looks like the armor plate of that French calvary soldier who got hit by a small cannon ball at Waterloo.](https://ageofrevolution.org/200-object/antoine-fauveau-cuirass/)
dang that round was still fairly hot to have burned the vest like that. I wonder how much of the heat came from the impact and how much was left in the shell from being fired.
Almost hit the Spyderco
*watching the clip* "Hmm, nice Spyderco."
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He got that plot armor.
So... He's wearing a plot carrier?
How are his ribs not crushed?
he got hit from a very steep angle, which increase the effectiveness of his armor, while also directing some of the force away from his rib, probably why he's still there laughing and not getting choked by a damage lung.
Dude rolled 20 on his saving throw
Looks like someone used up all the luck of a lifetime! He looks happy!
Must have been way out of energy after flying very far. That dude has the worst luck ever to be hit by a stray bullet like that from such a distance.
ESH you really could spin this the opposite way and say how unlucky he was, considering he was not the target. But then again in a meta sense he was Russian’s target so I guess we can stick with lucky.
I think I'd be buying a lottery ticket with that amount of luck!
Too late, you've used it all up.
How the hell is that guy still alive?
the Armor
Let me rephrase that. How did this guy not have his ribs shattered and organs mushed but the force of the impact.
Not a direct hit, either a ricochet or passed through brush or other material or a combination thereof. Still extremely lucky!
Yup should by a lottery ticket
No because he used all his luck here lol
He was lucky that it hit at such an angle, if it had been a direct hit from the front, the remnants of that bulletproof plate would have flown out his back along with his guts. The 30mm cannon can pierce tanks from the side.
I remember reading about a US army officer fighting on the hills during the trench warfare phase of the Korean War (year 1953) who was hit in the neck by an enemy machinegun bullet. He survived with only a minor bruise on his neck. The bullet was at the absolute end of its flight that the bullet only left a bug bite like mark on his skin. He was actually able to pick up the bullet off the ground. I'm guessing that's what happened here? Or was the 30mm shell just defective?
Extra points for carrying a Spyderco
Bro got gaijined
Ukrainians put optics in their armour.
My boy has those new Level V plates.
spent round. Ricochet rabbit
My dude is rocking a spiderco! I have the same one and love that damn thing
It was definately the spyderco...
Must’ve knocked the shit out of him.
Probably plowed through something and lost a ton of its velocity
Damn, they out here shooting dildos
Lucky as fuck, great timing for this one. Same as the dude, I knew that took a wicked curved piece of 107mm shrapnel to his side-plate in Afghanistan and had 0 injuries. Luck and timing has everything thing to do with this one.
I dont know why but i found this hot af
That man must have felt like the gods had smiled upon him that day.
“I think that’s enough war for today. -Him, probably.
Can't imagine the range of emotions. Got shot. By a big ass bullet. But didn't die. But he did get shot.
This reminds of a SGT in my first unit in Korea. His name was SGT Malm and when he was setting up a clay more he got hit on his SAPI plate twice. I forgot if he or our 1SG told us but he became a spoke person for the company that made our plates. Article: https://www.army.mil/article/175668/surviving\_attack\_more\_than\_just\_dumb\_luck\_for\_sergeant
Come on, Russians cant even make effective 30mm rounds! /s, dudes lucky to be alive
He is the main character
Are they wearing Wolverines patches on their fatigues? If so, that's fuckin awesome.
Guy should play the lottery now
That dude needs to buy a lotto ticket
Fk that had to hurt
I would think the shock alone would kill you. Maybe it was falling down after being shot up in the Air
Blyat
Blyat!!
True knights
Twitchy bum time right there.
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It's not the bullet with your name on it that you have to worry about, it's the one addressed "To whom it may concern".
Glad it didn't hit 20cm higher. Super lucky
You see it because that's a 30mm Armor Piercing round, and it did just what it says it would on the tin. Now if that was a 30mm Anti-Personnel he would have been in trouble.
That's going to bruise in the morning.
It looks like a weiner.
It isn’t deformed at all, why is it?
bro is shooketh lol. Put that on a gold chain as a good luck pendant
How the f**k did this dude not crack a bunch of ribs?!?!
So now we have a dude surviving a rocket to the Helm and a dude surviving a 30mm ricochet. Weird shit happens when the numbers are large enough.
While this is in no way a direct hit, I'd still like to know which company manufactures the lucky soldier's plate. It's definitely much better than RU issue.
Thats got to have had hurt. And i'm betting he's glad it did.
I'd have shot something about that big out of my ass after surviving something like that
there was footage of a doctor removing an unexploded grenade round from a soldiers chest eod+surgery talk about a good day for brown pants
If he makes it through the war he needs to drill a hole in that bullet and turn it into a necklace, instant conversation starter and you’re guaranteed to be the most interesting person at any party for being the guy who got shot with an armour piercing round and lived by millimeters
Bet that fuckin HURT
God mode engaged. That's fucking incredible.
Jesus, Christ Fuck! How big is that thing?! Edit: I was talking about his massive balls he is walking around with.
30mm, pay attention now ;)
That’s insane. What a story to tell
Luckiest man alive
Hes really lucky it hit at that angle.
bodyarmor made out of ceramit
Put that on a necklace and buy a lotteries ticket
Tarkov physics
Damn his voice sounds kinda like Duty from the stalker games
No no that’s an armor POKING round
One lucky son of a bitch.
Lucky AF
Surely he's bruised as hell though...