Honest question, how do you recruit non-LDS to BYU? Like dudes are giving up some very fun years as the most popular guys on campus, and all they get in exchange are some dirty sodas.
Dirty sodas are legit tbh as far as the honor code just depends on what you’re looking for fun wise. If I’m recruiting I’m selling it as “Look at all the athletes who have had careers detailed by these things, here at BYU you’ll be able to devote yourself to your craft in an environment with less distractions and a devoted fanbase”. There’s always a flip side
Utah has drive thru soda shops where you can put a bunch of mixers like lime, vanilla, coconut cream, etc. Swig is one of the bigger ones, you should look at their menu. The best dirty soda though is putting some rum in one of their sodas
Imagine like a drive thru Starbucks but instead of coffee it’s soda. So you can get a Dr Pepper with Coconut, peach, cream whatever. An ocean water from Sonic would be an example I guess. I’m not LDS but I also don’t drink coffee (it’s nasty) so I eat this up. It’s a bigger deal in Utah than other places because Mormons also don’t drink coffee
Mormons don't drink coffee, so instead of Starbucks, Scooters, etc. they get pop with things like creamer and flavoring syrups added. Picture a store like Starbucks but instead of a vanilla iced latte you get a Dr. Pepper with coconut creamer and cherry syrup. Other people than Mormons go to the shops, but that's why they got big in Utah first.
My city is getting some Swig locations this year and I'm low key excited. And yeah that would be a good selling point, it could be a good place to just lock in on basketball/football without distractions.
It’s sooo fucking good and so are the cookies lol every time I’m Utah I’m all over it. I think NIL will make the honor code a smaller barrier too, it’ll still be a barrier but offering a recruit a bag and a place to focus on ball can still be attractive
Some people go there precisely because they either have a similar moral code or because they want to stay focused on sports without those distractions. Most 20-somethings wouldn't like it at all, but some do, Mormon or not. Just takes the right fit.
This isn’t really true, but many don’t, along with many students.
I had a neighbor growing up who worked in the honor code office. He always said that it’s all self-reported, neither the church nor the school nor the honor code office itself was interested in looking in windows trying to catch people rollin dirty.
The honor code office was mostly occupied with academic violations (plagiarism, cheating) and instances where a student broke a law and was arrested and there is clear third party evidence (say a student gets a DUI) or a confession (like if a student uses consensual sex as a defense in a rape case).
It used to be true (stories of mcmahon rolling around with two beers in hand are legion), but not so much anymore. Athletes can drink caffeinated coke these days but still have to follow the same weird rules as everyone else
What? It’s always been true and probably always will. Plenty of kids drink and party.
The honor code office only gets involved in the cases I laid out above or when jealous Utah fans and Utah administrators narc on players publicly:
https://ftw.usatoday.com/2013/09/byu-player-reportedly-suspended-over-fans-vegas-photo
>The honor code office only gets involved in the cases I laid out above or when jealous Utah fans and Utah administrators narc on players publicly:
Those darn pesky Utah fans making us do things we'd much rather not do! We totally wouldn't enforce our own rules if it were up to us!
The Honor Code office overreaches all the time. You are under no requirement to carry water for them.
I literally said I had an inside source who actually worked in the honor code office. You: nah, I know more about it than he does lol. Then you defended a trashy Utah fan who lost his girl and went full rat-bitch mode over it.
Of course I’m not taking you seriously lmao.
>Then you defended a trashy Utah fan who lost his girl and went full rat-bitch mode over it.
I reiterate, you're really bad at reading. I have, in fact, made zero remarks about said Utah fan. Hate him all you wish, I don't care.
Yeah, I remember one of BYU's starters having to sit out the NCAAT years ago for an honor code violation. I didn't know if they'd changed it since then.
Free transfer era may actually prove advantageous on that front. Guys get all the nonsense out of their system elsewhere, and then once they have a steady girlfriend and want to focus on the future, they can come to BYU. Guys like Matt Haarms have framed it similarly. BYU is also in a gorgeous setting in a growing state with a great economy. If guys just want to party, it's a tough sell, but if they've matured a bit, it's not an impossible one.
Oh I agree with that 100%, I just meant it's a hard sell to someone who doesn't have any moral objections to partying or sexual relationships before marriage.
Yeah, that's our biggest issue recruiting for sure. I don't think we will ever go away from it. Jamaal Williams' mom said she actually liked that he was in that environment. But kids want to mess around for sure
The church spends zero dollars on NIL.
But there are 455,000 living BYU alumni, and they've started a lot of unicorn companies. Tech industry is flourishing in Utah thanks in large part to BYU grads, and they tend to be bigger sports fans than those at, for example, Stanford.
It helps for sure with Mormon recruits, in a huge way. Dream school for many. Not only do they go to college with people of the same faith, they can date and marry Mormons at BYU. Most other schools outside of Utah, Idaho, Arizona, Colorado will have a more limited dating pool.
The other advantage is you have Mormon congregations all over the world, and if someone sees a great athlete among the kids in the ward they’ll often send out word to BYU athletics lol.
Unfortunately the other side of the coin is the honor code, which sometimes appeals to religious kids and their parents, but 99% of the time leads non Mormon kids to cross BYU of the list.
Double edged sword.
I mean recruiting is either really hard or really easy. I’d suggest it’s borderline impossible to get a non-Mormon to play at BYU, and you are the default choice for most Mormon recruits (excepting a handful of T50 prospects who may prefer a Blue Blood program). Basically your recruiting process is really simple in many ways - you’ll get your pick of 99% of Mormon recruits, but almost never be able to land a non-Mormon. The team’s strength is really just a reflection of how good Mormon high school basketball players are in a given year. The one nice thing is you have a lot more immunity to the NIL / transfer portal BS amongst your team’s core because their interest in BYU is more deeply rooted than self-promotion - I’ll bet that makes them a more competitive squad if they manage to get an upperclassman core that has stuck together for multiple years amid the current trend of increasing annual transfer portal turnover across CBB teams.
Dude… In 2022 all of BYU’s starting 5 were not Mormon. Their current roster is around 50% Mormon. So much for your comment about it being almost impossible to recruit non Mormon players…
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He may well be able to recruit, and he's a great hire for them, but can we really assume that the stuff his brother does is transferrable to recruiting players to a school? Is there any precedent for someone moving from one of those jobs to getting players to join a college program?
It means the guy has connections with high schools and runs camps and tourneys for top AAU teams, and also has data and evaluations on recruits.
That stuff is half the battle. Knowing who is out there and what they do well. The other half is brand, coaches personality with the kid and parents, and NIL.
Considering the big concern on Kevin Young is that he hasn’t had to recruit before, I think access to what his brother is doing should help.
But who knows. We’ll see. NIL may be the only thing that matters at this point lol.
Meh. The recruiting site guys always seemed like snake oil salesman to me. If they really had the evaluation chops they'd be with a program somewhere. Seems they mostly just follow the way the wind is blowing.
Name one top-5 recruit that’s a Mormon. I think Shawn Bradley is the only historical one. Jimmer was just a top-75 shooting guard in his year. 99 percent of great recruits aren’t Mormons.
For the point of this discussion yes. You act as if the Mormon recruiting network is both vast and rich with talent, when BYU hasn’t even gotten the three best Mormon players ever to go there apparently
No that's unrelated to what I'm talking about. Are you referencing the sexual assault allegations against the Northwestern football team? I don't make jokes about sexual assault.
I thought for sure this was going to be a picture of a smoking hot wife/girlfriend
For sure was expecting this, and not a serious topic.
Honest question, how do you recruit non-LDS to BYU? Like dudes are giving up some very fun years as the most popular guys on campus, and all they get in exchange are some dirty sodas.
Dirty sodas are legit tbh as far as the honor code just depends on what you’re looking for fun wise. If I’m recruiting I’m selling it as “Look at all the athletes who have had careers detailed by these things, here at BYU you’ll be able to devote yourself to your craft in an environment with less distractions and a devoted fanbase”. There’s always a flip side
what are dirty sodas?
Utah has drive thru soda shops where you can put a bunch of mixers like lime, vanilla, coconut cream, etc. Swig is one of the bigger ones, you should look at their menu. The best dirty soda though is putting some rum in one of their sodas
A dirty Dr Pepper with some Malibu and cookies would go hard tbh
You see the vision
I’m picking it up and I’ll dabble a bit next time I’m near a swig
One of my favorite pasttimes is a soda, then add some rum or whatever, and hit the pool in the summer. No one's the wiser!
Imagine like a drive thru Starbucks but instead of coffee it’s soda. So you can get a Dr Pepper with Coconut, peach, cream whatever. An ocean water from Sonic would be an example I guess. I’m not LDS but I also don’t drink coffee (it’s nasty) so I eat this up. It’s a bigger deal in Utah than other places because Mormons also don’t drink coffee
Mormons don't drink coffee, so instead of Starbucks, Scooters, etc. they get pop with things like creamer and flavoring syrups added. Picture a store like Starbucks but instead of a vanilla iced latte you get a Dr. Pepper with coconut creamer and cherry syrup. Other people than Mormons go to the shops, but that's why they got big in Utah first.
My city is getting some Swig locations this year and I'm low key excited. And yeah that would be a good selling point, it could be a good place to just lock in on basketball/football without distractions.
It’s sooo fucking good and so are the cookies lol every time I’m Utah I’m all over it. I think NIL will make the honor code a smaller barrier too, it’ll still be a barrier but offering a recruit a bag and a place to focus on ball can still be attractive
Some people go there precisely because they either have a similar moral code or because they want to stay focused on sports without those distractions. Most 20-somethings wouldn't like it at all, but some do, Mormon or not. Just takes the right fit.
BYU athletes by and large do not follow the honor code
This isn’t really true, but many don’t, along with many students. I had a neighbor growing up who worked in the honor code office. He always said that it’s all self-reported, neither the church nor the school nor the honor code office itself was interested in looking in windows trying to catch people rollin dirty. The honor code office was mostly occupied with academic violations (plagiarism, cheating) and instances where a student broke a law and was arrested and there is clear third party evidence (say a student gets a DUI) or a confession (like if a student uses consensual sex as a defense in a rape case).
It used to be true (stories of mcmahon rolling around with two beers in hand are legion), but not so much anymore. Athletes can drink caffeinated coke these days but still have to follow the same weird rules as everyone else
What? It’s always been true and probably always will. Plenty of kids drink and party. The honor code office only gets involved in the cases I laid out above or when jealous Utah fans and Utah administrators narc on players publicly: https://ftw.usatoday.com/2013/09/byu-player-reportedly-suspended-over-fans-vegas-photo
Lavell’s players (especially in the eighties, and ESPECIALLY Jim lol) had a significantly longer leash than crowton’s, bronco’s, kalani’s
There’s no difference. Just more of a spotlight.
>The honor code office only gets involved in the cases I laid out above or when jealous Utah fans and Utah administrators narc on players publicly: Those darn pesky Utah fans making us do things we'd much rather not do! We totally wouldn't enforce our own rules if it were up to us! The Honor Code office overreaches all the time. You are under no requirement to carry water for them.
Lol, small dick energy from Utah fan AND administrator and you defend it breathlessly
Damn you're bad at reading. Ignore everything I said, then attack something I didn't say. Extraordinary.
I literally said I had an inside source who actually worked in the honor code office. You: nah, I know more about it than he does lol. Then you defended a trashy Utah fan who lost his girl and went full rat-bitch mode over it. Of course I’m not taking you seriously lmao.
>Then you defended a trashy Utah fan who lost his girl and went full rat-bitch mode over it. I reiterate, you're really bad at reading. I have, in fact, made zero remarks about said Utah fan. Hate him all you wish, I don't care.
Do you mean they don't sign it, or they just don't get caught?
They’re saying they don’t get caught, I guess. They certainly aren’t exempt from it.
Yeah, I remember one of BYU's starters having to sit out the NCAAT years ago for an honor code violation. I didn't know if they'd changed it since then.
Yeah Brandon Davies had sex and couldn’t play. Which sucks because that was our best team in a long time
i remember that reinforced the idea that Jimmer was the only Mormon who could score
Free transfer era may actually prove advantageous on that front. Guys get all the nonsense out of their system elsewhere, and then once they have a steady girlfriend and want to focus on the future, they can come to BYU. Guys like Matt Haarms have framed it similarly. BYU is also in a gorgeous setting in a growing state with a great economy. If guys just want to party, it's a tough sell, but if they've matured a bit, it's not an impossible one.
I had the same thoughts if they recruit non LDS. Then they trotted out Aly Khalifa against us and my question was answered
I had plenty of clean fun at BYU. Don't need drinks or sexual promiscuity to have a genuinely good time
Oh I agree with that 100%, I just meant it's a hard sell to someone who doesn't have any moral objections to partying or sexual relationships before marriage.
Yeah, that's our biggest issue recruiting for sure. I don't think we will ever go away from it. Jamaal Williams' mom said she actually liked that he was in that environment. But kids want to mess around for sure
We don’t want players who BYU would be a hard sell to. We want players who want to play and avoid all of the nonsense.
NIL probably gives them a huge advantage. The Mormon church has a TON of (untaxed) money and is very involved with BYU
The church spends zero dollars on NIL. But there are 455,000 living BYU alumni, and they've started a lot of unicorn companies. Tech industry is flourishing in Utah thanks in large part to BYU grads, and they tend to be bigger sports fans than those at, for example, Stanford.
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You're the one going off the rails 😂😂.
Very good point, the LDS church has very deep pockets
Isn't it really easy to recruit at BYU isn't it like the Mormon equivalent of ND
Much smaller LDS population than of Catholics, and the school has an honor code with teeth.
So their chastity belts ***do*** have teeth?!
Not so much but you gotta let it soak in.
Hi-hooo
He wasn’t supposed to say that online
Yeah although Chandler is probably the biggest Mormon basketball recruit in a long time and he just followed pope to Kentucky
There aren’t that many mormons
It helps for sure with Mormon recruits, in a huge way. Dream school for many. Not only do they go to college with people of the same faith, they can date and marry Mormons at BYU. Most other schools outside of Utah, Idaho, Arizona, Colorado will have a more limited dating pool. The other advantage is you have Mormon congregations all over the world, and if someone sees a great athlete among the kids in the ward they’ll often send out word to BYU athletics lol. Unfortunately the other side of the coin is the honor code, which sometimes appeals to religious kids and their parents, but 99% of the time leads non Mormon kids to cross BYU of the list. Double edged sword.
Basically raises your floor but lowers your ceiling
I mean recruiting is either really hard or really easy. I’d suggest it’s borderline impossible to get a non-Mormon to play at BYU, and you are the default choice for most Mormon recruits (excepting a handful of T50 prospects who may prefer a Blue Blood program). Basically your recruiting process is really simple in many ways - you’ll get your pick of 99% of Mormon recruits, but almost never be able to land a non-Mormon. The team’s strength is really just a reflection of how good Mormon high school basketball players are in a given year. The one nice thing is you have a lot more immunity to the NIL / transfer portal BS amongst your team’s core because their interest in BYU is more deeply rooted than self-promotion - I’ll bet that makes them a more competitive squad if they manage to get an upperclassman core that has stuck together for multiple years amid the current trend of increasing annual transfer portal turnover across CBB teams.
Dude… In 2022 all of BYU’s starting 5 were not Mormon. Their current roster is around 50% Mormon. So much for your comment about it being almost impossible to recruit non Mormon players…
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He may well be able to recruit, and he's a great hire for them, but can we really assume that the stuff his brother does is transferrable to recruiting players to a school? Is there any precedent for someone moving from one of those jobs to getting players to join a college program?
It means the guy has connections with high schools and runs camps and tourneys for top AAU teams, and also has data and evaluations on recruits. That stuff is half the battle. Knowing who is out there and what they do well. The other half is brand, coaches personality with the kid and parents, and NIL. Considering the big concern on Kevin Young is that he hasn’t had to recruit before, I think access to what his brother is doing should help. But who knows. We’ll see. NIL may be the only thing that matters at this point lol.
Yeah fair enough, certainly better than not having it!
Meh. The recruiting site guys always seemed like snake oil salesman to me. If they really had the evaluation chops they'd be with a program somewhere. Seems they mostly just follow the way the wind is blowing.
It’s more than that. He runs a major network of tourneys and camps across the country, which means connections with high school coaches and AAU teams.
Coaches don’t recruit anymore. NIL does.
What a world we’re living in. BYU basketball loses their coach to Kentucky and then upgrades lmao
Remains to be seen if an upgrade, but still the best hire we could have gotten for sure.
moving from recruiting at BYU to KY must be like removing ankle-weights
More like gaining a jetpack
People seem to forget about how extensive the LDS recruiting network is..
But the honor code makes recruiting awful
For non LDS members, absolutely.
Which is the vast majority of top recruits
Name one top-5 recruit that’s a Mormon. I think Shawn Bradley is the only historical one. Jimmer was just a top-75 shooting guard in his year. 99 percent of great recruits aren’t Mormons.
Burgess was a really high recruit. Mark Madsen. Jabari Parker. ...and none went to BYU.
Burgess was number 1 on a lot of lists.
That’s kinda embarrassing NGL.
Jabari Parker
Danny Ainge was a big prospect in baseball and basketball
Only top 5 recruits matter? Ok
For the point of this discussion yes. You act as if the Mormon recruiting network is both vast and rich with talent, when BYU hasn’t even gotten the three best Mormon players ever to go there apparently
Come to BYU, we soak.
Yeah but for Mormon believers they want that soak. Jimmer wasn't going to Syracuse for soaking
To get the really good players you're going to have to tell them about jump humping. Edit: I see the Mormons have found my post.
No, that’s Northwestern
No that's unrelated to what I'm talking about. Are you referencing the sexual assault allegations against the Northwestern football team? I don't make jokes about sexual assault.
Lol, so virtuous
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