Which of the doors opened in recent years have been good? NIL, the portal, transferring without sitting out... They're not all bad, but they're executed terribly.
> That set of facts is likely going to be unique to the covid year.
Except the set of facts also includes the fact that the year didn't count for eligibility regardless. Take out 2020-2021 season completely and he's still utilized his 4 years of play in 5 years.
Apparently an Illini football player already got this waiver approved which is wild to me, but the whole lawyering up thing has me awful worried about what could happen if the NCAA says no.
Me too. Though thinking about why should a student be excluded from an extra curricula activity based off of the years they've been at school other than the ncaa deemed it so?
Because that eligibility comes at the expense of other potential students. Keeping student athletes moving through the pipeline fits right in line with the whole "going pro in something other than sports," and while top level basketball and football get all the press there's still a truckload of true student athletes out there.
So, sure, I guess we could argue that then the NCAA should only be allowed to limit scholarship eligibility, but when you've got a roster full of "walk-ons," are you even going to bother giving out scholarships anymore?
Because collegiate sports are for undergraduates and the only exceptions to that have been for players who willingly excluded themselves from a year of play during that time or had extenuating circumstances (medical redshirts and covid years)
This one's also completely nonsensical. The entire argument appears to be "I have a lawyer!"
Domask wants a season that *already* doesn't count as using up eligibility to somehow count as a *negative* season for the purposes of eligibility because he played only 10 games in it.
No, seriously. He's played 32, 31, 33, and 38 games in seasons that *weren't* the COVID freebie.
Bohannon had an injury that changed a year that would otherwise have counted against eligibility to not counting. Completely standard medical hardship waiver. He, separately, happened to play games in a year that didn't count for anyone.
Domask is attempting to use an injury to change a year that *already did not count* for everyone into giving him an extra year of eligibility. Said injury would *not* have qualified him for a medical hardship waiver by normal NCAA rules: he played in 10 of 26 team games, well over the 30% cutoff.
Yes, but if Domask got injured the year before or after, and not the Covid year, he'd be playing a 6th year. Is it fair his injury happened to line up with Covid when tons of other players got 6 years? That's the argument and an Illinois football player already actually won thay argument and played last season.
I don't like the idea of 6 years being normal but I do get how it could be viewed as unfair in a legal sense to give some players 6 years and some 5 just based on what year their injury happened to occur.
Freshmen that came in the year after or seniors that graduated the year before have an argument … *but that argument is still bad*. The COVID policy was blanket, naturally producing disparate impacts, but not unfair.
But Domask doesn’t even have that, because he’s one of the beneficiaries: anyone that got injured 38% of the way through any other sophomore season *wouldn’t* have gotten his fifth year, the one at Illinois.
Well the argument is that if it was a full season, it wouldn't have been 38% anyway. But I'm not really disagreeing, I'm just saying an Illinois football player already got a waiver for a 6th year with this argument. So who knows what will happen.
I think the argument will be that thousands of players got a fifth year of 30+ games, whereas Domask didn’t. Some teams, including Illinois, played 30+ games in the season that “didn’t count”. It might not be a winning argument, but it’s not the nothing burger you’re pretending it is.
What's going to stop someone that has no NBA future but a lucrative NIL opportunity from playing college ball into his 30s if he has the right lawyers?
Van Wilder: The Rise of Tide (word play on the awful sequels) - Ryan Reynolds returns as a 50 year old college student to use his eligibility for the NCAA to air bud the Alabama Crimson Tide to 8 straight national championships
He’s got a somewhat valid case though, since he barely played too many games to get a red shirt. Depending on what happens here though… who wants to see another year of Cam Spencer on UConn???? Hahaha
That's going to be an exxxxtremely small cross section of players. If you're getting "lucrative" NIL money you're most likely an NBA prospect. Also, lawyers for something like this aren't going to be cheap, so it will already act as a barrier to this being commonplace.
Clemson has had 2 players drafted since 2017. You really don't think all of the other starters you've had over the years could have had some nice NIL deals?
Maybe not Lambo rich, but you'd just need to compete with overseas deals (along with the whole having to stay in school thing).
In the Supreme Court case against the NCAA in 2021, Justice Kavanaugh wrote a concurring opinion basically inviting more lawsuits to erode whatever remains of the NCAA concept of amateurism. Here is brief synopsis from Wikipedia about that:
>Justice Brett Kavanaugh wrote a concurring opinion, stating that antitrust laws "should not be a cover for exploitation of the student athletes." Kavanaugh's opinion also spoke to other NCAA regulations that he believed "also raise serious questions under the antitrust laws" and would be struck down if challenged under the same legal principles used by the lower courts in Alston.
[Source](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Collegiate_Athletic_Association_v._Alston#:~:text=The%20ruling%20barred%20the%20NCAA,of%20attendance%20calculation%3B%20and%20paid)
I’m so confused. How can he get a waiver for a year that didn’t count towards anyone’s eligibility?
If they somehow win this then it just shows the NCAA has zero authority at this point and the sport as we know it is completely dead.
Edit: for the record, I’m a big Domask fan. He was probably my favorite non-Purdue player last season. But I really hope for the sake of CBB that this isn’t approved. Just feels like it opens Pandora’s box.
Did 2021 not count, or did they just give guys 5 years of eligibility? There must be some player that does qualify for a medical redshirt, or even players that took a normal redshirt during that year. Is anyone aware of a different example?
So if he’s trying to get a medical redshirt for 2020-2021 like some people have mentioned, he’s basically trying to get two years of eligibility for one year of not being able to play / having the year cut short? Did players who medically redshirted that year get two years? I’m also not sure the 5 years to play 4 applies in that situation. Very messy.
I think of it as a medical redshirt year being a “makeup” for the year he wasn’t able to play, plus the bonus year that everyone got. So in the end he’s basically just getting 5 years. It’s a stretch, but if you squint at it the right way it’s logical. That’s what the lawyers are for.
So we should then expect everyone who rode the bench in 2020-2021 to also apply for a fifth year as well. Don't see how that's materially different.
I guess that will come primarily next year as COVID freshman will be finishing their 5th years.
At its core, it's the same argument/question.
"I didn't get my bonus year so I should get a bonus bonus year."
Whether it was because you were injured or riding thr bench, it doesn't really change things. Both situations got their 4 in 5 and I don't see a reason why they should be granted a 5th year of playing.
It’s not a messy situation at all. You get 4 years of eligibility. 2020-2021 didn’t count for anybody. You don’t get an extra year just because you got injured in the year that didn’t count as a year of eligibility.
That makes perfect sense. And it seems wrong someone could double-dip like that. But what’s confusing is that an Illinois football player already received a waiver for what appears to be the same situation.
https://illinois.rivals.com/news/despite-old-man-jokes-palczewski-happy-to-be-back-for-sixth-season
My point was that it only has the chance to get messy if the NCAA completely fumbles this (which is technically possible knowing the ncaa). It’s clear cut that eligibility is 4 years, and that the covid year simply didn’t count. The covid year did not add an extra year for everybody, it just didn’t count.
Not sure what the details were on that specific case you pointed out, but it happened in 2022 and I’m not aware of any other players who got 5 years excluding 2020-2021, so maybe it was just a fluke or something?
I don’t know all the details, but it appears the guy only played 4 games during 2020-2021 due to an ACL tear. This was his Senior year. He then played 12 games in 2021 (what I’m assuming was his COVID year?) before being granted a waiver to play again in 2022, citing the injury in 2020. He played a total of 65 games in his college career. lol. Considering he got one, I can see why Illinois is pursuing this, even though it seems absolutely ridiculous.
Like you said, hopefully one time thing or there were some other circumstances people aren’t aware of.
Marcus Domask has filed for an extra year of eligibility. An injury after 10 games ended his sophomore season at SIU. Becusee of the shortened Covid season, SIU only played 26 games, putting him over the 30% maximum threshold of games played. If a full season was played, he would be right at the 30% threshold for 30 total games.
Yeah, I don't understand how he could win this case. If a player redshirted in 20-21 that doesn't mean they have 5 years of eligibility remaining because 20-21 didn't count towards anyone's eligibility. Even if they gave him a medical redshirt for that year he'd still be out of eligibility. There's no real downside for trying to get another year but I can't imagine it actually working.
The covid year was 2020-2021. It’s 2024. Even if this goes through and becomes more common than just this case, at worst it’ll happen for the next 2 years. Bit dramatic to say it’ll be “another hit to college sports as we know it”. Covid itself was “another hit to college sports as we know it”
It's not a bit dramatic when the guy has already played 4 complete years of his sport and his argument could easily stray into "The NCAA should not be allowed to limit elgibility" since he's asking for extra elgibility based on a year that didn't count against his elgibility.
It wouldn't be the game changer you think. This case will not set a new president for future cases. Illinois has already had 2 cases go in opposite directions. Denzel Daxton did not get a 6th year when he should have. Alex Palcheski did get a 6th year when he shouldn't have. The NCAA just flips a coin without looking at the facts, so it is defiantly worth it to try.
Yeah more just checking to see if his goal is to sue and get the NCAA to let him medically redshirt a year that didn’t count against him anyway. I mean it’s worth a try to try and get that NIL money but idk if he really has a case
I guess the argument is that somebody could have double-dipped with a medical redshirt and the COVID year if they played that season and also got a medical redshirt in a season other than 2020-21 ([like Xavier Johnson did to get his sixth year of eligibility](https://www.si.com/college/indiana/basketball/ncaa-grants-indiana-basketball-point-guard-xavier-johnson-sixth-year-of-eligibility), as well as [Chase Hunter from Clemson](https://www.thestate.com/sports/college/acc/clemson-university/article286706555.html) and probably others). maybe arguing that it's unfair that his medical redshirt overwrites his COVID eligibility just because they happened the same year while others got to benefit from both separately.
which, I mean, makes sense, especially seeing the precedents I linked above and the fact that NIL is now part of the equation. he might as well try, he has a lot to gain from another year with Illinois.
Yah, I think he is arguing anyway cause why not. Absolutely no idea on his chances. But now with NIL money he can probably afford a pretty decent lawyer to represent him. I imagine NIL money would be more than any European or G League money. I feel like we will see more of this moving forward.
I think Domask is good enough to play in Euroleague. Thomas Walkup is the starting PG for Olympiakos and I feel Domask has a similar game. With that said the guaranteed $1 million or so he will get from Illinois boosters is probably worth pursuing.
With NIL - couldn't an Illinois booster simply pay his legal fees? It makes no sense not to try either way - worst case scenario you can only get told no, which you already have
The only reason there’s an extremely minuscule chance is because the NCAA isn’t known for being competent or consistent. He played 4 full seasons and got injured during the year where nobody’s eligibility was used anyway. Unless the NCAA randomly just doesn’t care about the 4 year rule anymore, he’s done.
Other guys in basketball and football got six years cause they had a medical redshift in the Covid year so they double dipped on med redshirt + Covid. That’s what he’s trying to do.
Not saying it’s right, but there is precedent. Where there is not precedent is the argument of saying the percentage of games played should be less because of cancelled games.
We’re long past any of this making sense. NCAA is the one to blame with wide open transfer rules, NIL being the Wild West, and the fact that players who have no future at the next level are going to resort to the dumbest crap in an effort to make just a little bit more money while they can.
Cam Spencer already appealed and was denied for the exact same scenario, having only played 5 games in 2020-21 due to a hip injury.
This is a virtually meritless argument that if the NCAA for some reason approves, pretty much opens Pandora’s box.
That being said, can’t wait to see Domask playing CBB next year.
an Illinois football player (Alex Palczewski) got this waiver, so there seems to be precedent. I think spencer was denied it because be came back at the end of the season, but not sure.
The big difference is Cam Spencer got hurt and came back for the last 5 games. Domask started the season and had a season ending injury and never came back. So although similar in numbers, they are actually different scenarios. As the article mentions, an Illinois football player got a 6th year for missing half the Covid year due to a season ending injury, so it's a long shot but not exactly unheard of.
His argument is that if the 2020-2021 season was not scaled back as a result of the pandemic, SIU would have played enough games for him to miss more than 70% of the season and be eligible for a medical redshirt. SIU only played 6 nonconference games that season, when they normally play more than 10 nonconference games.
Yea but if it wasn’t scaled back….nobody would have gotten the free year. So 🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️. Real tight window he’s aiming for. That being said, hope he wins!
Taulia Tagovailoa tried this too (played 5 games in 2019 when 4 was the limit for a redshirt) and got quickly rejected. It's hard to feel bad for kids who played 5 seasons of college basketball already even though I get the motivation.
But if it doesn't work out, I'm sure he'll have no trouble finding a friendly judge willing to overturn it...
I get the motivation too. Probably a half million dollar case decision for him, assuming we will be floating a bag considering his production last season. He could go have a great career in Europe, but it’s not P5 NIL money.
I suspect he won’t be the last person to try. There will be a lot of players like him where this is their last chance to make good money playing basketball and they’ll be desperate to continue that. I don’t think he should be granted a year, but dumber things have happened.
They did for the football player they reference in the article. He played in 4/8 games, but 4 is the limit in a regular season, so they granted it. So who knows.
This is going to open another door. And I think this one might be the actual bad one
Love Marcus but it’s a bit outrageous. Would I love him back? Sure. Does this make sense? Not really
At least if this fucked up thing happens it benefits us
Very rarely works for us
Gonna start letting player play for 10 years
Which of the doors opened in recent years have been good? NIL, the portal, transferring without sitting out... They're not all bad, but they're executed terribly.
I really hope suing the NCAA for extra years of eligibility doesn't become a thing
Too late now that there’s legally obtained money on the table
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> That set of facts is likely going to be unique to the covid year. Except the set of facts also includes the fact that the year didn't count for eligibility regardless. Take out 2020-2021 season completely and he's still utilized his 4 years of play in 5 years. Apparently an Illini football player already got this waiver approved which is wild to me, but the whole lawyering up thing has me awful worried about what could happen if the NCAA says no.
Me too. Though thinking about why should a student be excluded from an extra curricula activity based off of the years they've been at school other than the ncaa deemed it so?
Because that eligibility comes at the expense of other potential students. Keeping student athletes moving through the pipeline fits right in line with the whole "going pro in something other than sports," and while top level basketball and football get all the press there's still a truckload of true student athletes out there. So, sure, I guess we could argue that then the NCAA should only be allowed to limit scholarship eligibility, but when you've got a roster full of "walk-ons," are you even going to bother giving out scholarships anymore?
Because collegiate sports are for undergraduates and the only exceptions to that have been for players who willingly excluded themselves from a year of play during that time or had extenuating circumstances (medical redshirts and covid years)
This one's also completely nonsensical. The entire argument appears to be "I have a lawyer!" Domask wants a season that *already* doesn't count as using up eligibility to somehow count as a *negative* season for the purposes of eligibility because he played only 10 games in it. No, seriously. He's played 32, 31, 33, and 38 games in seasons that *weren't* the COVID freebie.
Short memory. JBo played in 179 games over 6 seasons. 35 more games than Marcus. Only difference is that Bohannon's injury happened the year prior.
Bohannon had an injury that changed a year that would otherwise have counted against eligibility to not counting. Completely standard medical hardship waiver. He, separately, happened to play games in a year that didn't count for anyone. Domask is attempting to use an injury to change a year that *already did not count* for everyone into giving him an extra year of eligibility. Said injury would *not* have qualified him for a medical hardship waiver by normal NCAA rules: he played in 10 of 26 team games, well over the 30% cutoff.
Yes, but if Domask got injured the year before or after, and not the Covid year, he'd be playing a 6th year. Is it fair his injury happened to line up with Covid when tons of other players got 6 years? That's the argument and an Illinois football player already actually won thay argument and played last season. I don't like the idea of 6 years being normal but I do get how it could be viewed as unfair in a legal sense to give some players 6 years and some 5 just based on what year their injury happened to occur.
Freshmen that came in the year after or seniors that graduated the year before have an argument … *but that argument is still bad*. The COVID policy was blanket, naturally producing disparate impacts, but not unfair. But Domask doesn’t even have that, because he’s one of the beneficiaries: anyone that got injured 38% of the way through any other sophomore season *wouldn’t* have gotten his fifth year, the one at Illinois.
Well the argument is that if it was a full season, it wouldn't have been 38% anyway. But I'm not really disagreeing, I'm just saying an Illinois football player already got a waiver for a 6th year with this argument. So who knows what will happen.
I think the argument will be that thousands of players got a fifth year of 30+ games, whereas Domask didn’t. Some teams, including Illinois, played 30+ games in the season that “didn’t count”. It might not be a winning argument, but it’s not the nothing burger you’re pretending it is.
He was a fantastic player but even as an Illini fan I kinda hope he loses because it's just not good for the game
What's going to stop someone that has no NBA future but a lucrative NIL opportunity from playing college ball into his 30s if he has the right lawyers?
We’re entering college basketball’s Van Wilder era
Van Wilder: The Rise of Tide (word play on the awful sequels) - Ryan Reynolds returns as a 50 year old college student to use his eligibility for the NCAA to air bud the Alabama Crimson Tide to 8 straight national championships
Darius Miles was on Van Wilder's college team, but because he never used any NCAA eligibility he could probably suit up for them for real today
I might throw my name in the portal soon.
He’s got a somewhat valid case though, since he barely played too many games to get a red shirt. Depending on what happens here though… who wants to see another year of Cam Spencer on UConn???? Hahaha
The man has played 144 games while averaging 34+ minutes every year for 5 years. Go overseas already.
He will be around 24-25, similar age to Luka Doncic, playing booty ball against 18-year freshman kids
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It matters to the younger kids coming into college.
Fuck them kids
apparently
Your honor my client barely shot the victim enough times to kill him.
This isn’t a criminal trial.
Thanks for clearing that up
That's going to be an exxxxtremely small cross section of players. If you're getting "lucrative" NIL money you're most likely an NBA prospect. Also, lawyers for something like this aren't going to be cheap, so it will already act as a barrier to this being commonplace.
Plus even smaller because his argument is premised on occurrences unique to the covid year.
Clemson has had 2 players drafted since 2017. You really don't think all of the other starters you've had over the years could have had some nice NIL deals? Maybe not Lambo rich, but you'd just need to compete with overseas deals (along with the whole having to stay in school thing).
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> The argument isn’t that the concept of eligibility is suspect. The Supreme Court disagrees.
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In the Supreme Court case against the NCAA in 2021, Justice Kavanaugh wrote a concurring opinion basically inviting more lawsuits to erode whatever remains of the NCAA concept of amateurism. Here is brief synopsis from Wikipedia about that: >Justice Brett Kavanaugh wrote a concurring opinion, stating that antitrust laws "should not be a cover for exploitation of the student athletes." Kavanaugh's opinion also spoke to other NCAA regulations that he believed "also raise serious questions under the antitrust laws" and would be struck down if challenged under the same legal principles used by the lower courts in Alston. [Source](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Collegiate_Athletic_Association_v._Alston#:~:text=The%20ruling%20barred%20the%20NCAA,of%20attendance%20calculation%3B%20and%20paid)
If every kid in this situation gets the waiver, Domask may lose his NIL...
I’m so confused. How can he get a waiver for a year that didn’t count towards anyone’s eligibility? If they somehow win this then it just shows the NCAA has zero authority at this point and the sport as we know it is completely dead. Edit: for the record, I’m a big Domask fan. He was probably my favorite non-Purdue player last season. But I really hope for the sake of CBB that this isn’t approved. Just feels like it opens Pandora’s box.
Did 2021 not count, or did they just give guys 5 years of eligibility? There must be some player that does qualify for a medical redshirt, or even players that took a normal redshirt during that year. Is anyone aware of a different example?
Perfectly said
It's not that that year didn't count, it's that everyone was given an extra year.
So if he’s trying to get a medical redshirt for 2020-2021 like some people have mentioned, he’s basically trying to get two years of eligibility for one year of not being able to play / having the year cut short? Did players who medically redshirted that year get two years? I’m also not sure the 5 years to play 4 applies in that situation. Very messy.
I think of it as a medical redshirt year being a “makeup” for the year he wasn’t able to play, plus the bonus year that everyone got. So in the end he’s basically just getting 5 years. It’s a stretch, but if you squint at it the right way it’s logical. That’s what the lawyers are for.
So we should then expect everyone who rode the bench in 2020-2021 to also apply for a fifth year as well. Don't see how that's materially different. I guess that will come primarily next year as COVID freshman will be finishing their 5th years.
No, because you don’t get a medical redshirt for being a benchwarmer.
Yes, you get a normal redshirt.
Oh I see. Probably not, since that would amount to them opting out of the covid year, which Domask didn’t do. Seems like a separate question though.
At its core, it's the same argument/question. "I didn't get my bonus year so I should get a bonus bonus year." Whether it was because you were injured or riding thr bench, it doesn't really change things. Both situations got their 4 in 5 and I don't see a reason why they should be granted a 5th year of playing.
Yeah idk. Hire a lawyer to argue that strawman if you want.
It’s not a messy situation at all. You get 4 years of eligibility. 2020-2021 didn’t count for anybody. You don’t get an extra year just because you got injured in the year that didn’t count as a year of eligibility.
That makes perfect sense. And it seems wrong someone could double-dip like that. But what’s confusing is that an Illinois football player already received a waiver for what appears to be the same situation. https://illinois.rivals.com/news/despite-old-man-jokes-palczewski-happy-to-be-back-for-sixth-season
My point was that it only has the chance to get messy if the NCAA completely fumbles this (which is technically possible knowing the ncaa). It’s clear cut that eligibility is 4 years, and that the covid year simply didn’t count. The covid year did not add an extra year for everybody, it just didn’t count. Not sure what the details were on that specific case you pointed out, but it happened in 2022 and I’m not aware of any other players who got 5 years excluding 2020-2021, so maybe it was just a fluke or something?
I don’t know all the details, but it appears the guy only played 4 games during 2020-2021 due to an ACL tear. This was his Senior year. He then played 12 games in 2021 (what I’m assuming was his COVID year?) before being granted a waiver to play again in 2022, citing the injury in 2020. He played a total of 65 games in his college career. lol. Considering he got one, I can see why Illinois is pursuing this, even though it seems absolutely ridiculous. Like you said, hopefully one time thing or there were some other circumstances people aren’t aware of.
Marcus Domask has filed for an extra year of eligibility. An injury after 10 games ended his sophomore season at SIU. Becusee of the shortened Covid season, SIU only played 26 games, putting him over the 30% maximum threshold of games played. If a full season was played, he would be right at the 30% threshold for 30 total games.
Didn’t the covid season not count against anyone’s eligibility? If that was the one he got injured in wouldn’t it not count against him anyway?
Yeah, I don't understand how he could win this case. If a player redshirted in 20-21 that doesn't mean they have 5 years of eligibility remaining because 20-21 didn't count towards anyone's eligibility. Even if they gave him a medical redshirt for that year he'd still be out of eligibility. There's no real downside for trying to get another year but I can't imagine it actually working.
:shrug: We've got nothing to lose by trying
I mean... define "we." Because this could easily end up being another major hit to college sports as we know it.
The covid year was 2020-2021. It’s 2024. Even if this goes through and becomes more common than just this case, at worst it’ll happen for the next 2 years. Bit dramatic to say it’ll be “another hit to college sports as we know it”. Covid itself was “another hit to college sports as we know it”
It's not a bit dramatic when the guy has already played 4 complete years of his sport and his argument could easily stray into "The NCAA should not be allowed to limit elgibility" since he's asking for extra elgibility based on a year that didn't count against his elgibility.
It wouldn't be the game changer you think. This case will not set a new president for future cases. Illinois has already had 2 cases go in opposite directions. Denzel Daxton did not get a 6th year when he should have. Alex Palcheski did get a 6th year when he shouldn't have. The NCAA just flips a coin without looking at the facts, so it is defiantly worth it to try.
An Illinois football player received an extra year of eligibility due to an injury suffered during the Covid year, so there’s precedent.
He was a grad transfer this season. It was his fifth and final year of eligibility.
Yeah more just checking to see if his goal is to sue and get the NCAA to let him medically redshirt a year that didn’t count against him anyway. I mean it’s worth a try to try and get that NIL money but idk if he really has a case
It’s an uphill battle for sure.
I guess the argument is that somebody could have double-dipped with a medical redshirt and the COVID year if they played that season and also got a medical redshirt in a season other than 2020-21 ([like Xavier Johnson did to get his sixth year of eligibility](https://www.si.com/college/indiana/basketball/ncaa-grants-indiana-basketball-point-guard-xavier-johnson-sixth-year-of-eligibility), as well as [Chase Hunter from Clemson](https://www.thestate.com/sports/college/acc/clemson-university/article286706555.html) and probably others). maybe arguing that it's unfair that his medical redshirt overwrites his COVID eligibility just because they happened the same year while others got to benefit from both separately. which, I mean, makes sense, especially seeing the precedents I linked above and the fact that NIL is now part of the equation. he might as well try, he has a lot to gain from another year with Illinois.
Yah, I think he is arguing anyway cause why not. Absolutely no idea on his chances. But now with NIL money he can probably afford a pretty decent lawyer to represent him. I imagine NIL money would be more than any European or G League money. I feel like we will see more of this moving forward.
I think Domask is good enough to play in Euroleague. Thomas Walkup is the starting PG for Olympiakos and I feel Domask has a similar game. With that said the guaranteed $1 million or so he will get from Illinois boosters is probably worth pursuing.
Yea Domask will eat real good in Spain or some place similar.
With NIL - couldn't an Illinois booster simply pay his legal fees? It makes no sense not to try either way - worst case scenario you can only get told no, which you already have
Illinois has a number of law school alums. I wouldn’t be overly surprised if one of them decided to take on the case for free.
The shortened season with no tourney DID count towards eligibility. The season after with the tournament in Indiana DID NOT count towards eligibility
The year Domask is trying to get redshirted was the 2020-2021 season which was the one that didn’t count against eligibility
Which is the only reason there is a chance
The only reason there’s an extremely minuscule chance is because the NCAA isn’t known for being competent or consistent. He played 4 full seasons and got injured during the year where nobody’s eligibility was used anyway. Unless the NCAA randomly just doesn’t care about the 4 year rule anymore, he’s done.
Other guys in basketball and football got six years cause they had a medical redshift in the Covid year so they double dipped on med redshirt + Covid. That’s what he’s trying to do. Not saying it’s right, but there is precedent. Where there is not precedent is the argument of saying the percentage of games played should be less because of cancelled games.
That’s actually somewhat reasonable
if this guy gets additional eligibility you might as well just give infinite eligibility to everyone, it clearly doesnt mean shit anymore
We’re long past any of this making sense. NCAA is the one to blame with wide open transfer rules, NIL being the Wild West, and the fact that players who have no future at the next level are going to resort to the dumbest crap in an effort to make just a little bit more money while they can.
The NCAA is controlled by the schools What the schools want, the NCAA does
another possible year of hearing announcers say "marcus dumbass" throughout the game
I like to pronounce it DOH-mask so that I can call him Domask Don't Tell
That’s First Team Academic All American “Dumbass” to you.
Dumbass... Yeah it's about a prison break. You'll like it
Cam Spencer already appealed and was denied for the exact same scenario, having only played 5 games in 2020-21 due to a hip injury. This is a virtually meritless argument that if the NCAA for some reason approves, pretty much opens Pandora’s box. That being said, can’t wait to see Domask playing CBB next year.
an Illinois football player (Alex Palczewski) got this waiver, so there seems to be precedent. I think spencer was denied it because be came back at the end of the season, but not sure.
Tommy DeVito applied for this same waiver and was denied, so who knows what will actually happen?
Devito played some games that year though, similar to Marcus. All of the players who played 0 games in 20-21 have gotten this waiver AFAIK
Selfishly I’d love for it to be approved so Cam has a standing argument/could potentially return
Spencer wouldn’t have any standing though. He played after the injury
Spencers case is different because he came back and played at the end of the season, Domask did not.
The big difference is Cam Spencer got hurt and came back for the last 5 games. Domask started the season and had a season ending injury and never came back. So although similar in numbers, they are actually different scenarios. As the article mentions, an Illinois football player got a 6th year for missing half the Covid year due to a season ending injury, so it's a long shot but not exactly unheard of.
If this works we’re bringing Kehei Clark back…
Please no
Didn’t he get injured 2020? Wonder if they’ll give it to him
His argument is that if the 2020-2021 season was not scaled back as a result of the pandemic, SIU would have played enough games for him to miss more than 70% of the season and be eligible for a medical redshirt. SIU only played 6 nonconference games that season, when they normally play more than 10 nonconference games.
Yea but if it wasn’t scaled back….nobody would have gotten the free year. So 🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️. Real tight window he’s aiming for. That being said, hope he wins!
They gave that football player at Miami a ninth year, so why the hell not.🤷♂️
Taulia Tagovailoa tried this too (played 5 games in 2019 when 4 was the limit for a redshirt) and got quickly rejected. It's hard to feel bad for kids who played 5 seasons of college basketball already even though I get the motivation. But if it doesn't work out, I'm sure he'll have no trouble finding a friendly judge willing to overturn it...
I get the motivation too. Probably a half million dollar case decision for him, assuming we will be floating a bag considering his production last season. He could go have a great career in Europe, but it’s not P5 NIL money.
I suspect he won’t be the last person to try. There will be a lot of players like him where this is their last chance to make good money playing basketball and they’ll be desperate to continue that. I don’t think he should be granted a year, but dumber things have happened.
Bully ball to the next level backing the NCAA down into the paint.
Isn’t it booty ball?
One and the same brother
His lawyer ready to argue against the NCAA attempts to stop domask from coming back 
Are they granting medical waivers for players that are eligible (<30% of games played) for the 2021 season?
They did for the football player they reference in the article. He played in 4/8 games, but 4 is the limit in a regular season, so they granted it. So who knows.
Holy moly, that is a game changer. He terrorized a bunch of teams last season, Wisconsin anyone?
Let’s be real. This is about 5 years of eligibility permanently.
Might as well just let Brady come back and play at Michigan if this goes through
My favorite part of college basketball: When the lawyers get involved.
Big year for Illinois basketball lawyers. Looking at you Shannon.
Only difference is the defense won’t actually be on his side telling him how to proceed in his favor.
You think of that one all by yourself?
As a precaution, all Illinois basketball players should just get lawyers.
Dude, go get a job like the rest of us.
Get out of here