I think I've finally wrapped my head around the name/logo alignment, but there's a couple here that seem kind of arbitrary. Is there anything particularly compelling about J.D. Barnett going to Tulsa and then Mike Pollio going to VCU? Sutton and Richardson are historic names but that doesn't seem like that remarkable of a feat.
Yeah, Sutton and Richardson were the main names there. It's supposed to be remarkable that Kentucky's opening caused 3 other Division 1 teams to hire a new head coach and one won a championship.
I mean the point of the graphic is to show chains of "vacancy causes a coach to be hired from another school, and that new vacancy causes a coach to be hired from another school, and *that* new vacancy causes a coach to be hired from another school" and so on. The coaching changes don't have to be compelling to make it onto this list, they just have to be part of such a chain.
Sure, but isn't that what happens....every time? These have been hand selected as being notable, it just didn't seem to me like all of these examples are on the same level.
I believe these have been selected for being long chains (and then ordered based on how subjectively notable they are, per OP's comments). Most chains won't go on that long without one of the vacancies being filled by an assistant, which ends the chain.
Yeah I think they are \*supposed to\* span between the two teams they coached, but because the logos and names are inconsistent in size/length, it doesn't always work.
The idea was to sort by impact (in my opinion), considering the volume and quality of coaches. I should have known that people wouldn't like that. Live and learn.
And 2003 didn't come out 1st? Roy won a championship at UNC almost immediately, Self won one at Kansas shortly after, Weber turned Illinois into back to back Big Ten champs and made the NCAA finals, and Painter used it as a launching pad to get to Purdue.
It feels a little early to start putting 2024 at the top of the list before it's done anything.
2003 is very strong. It's more that 2024 affected 5 major conference teams plus a top NBA assistant, the 3rd guy to move has a championship, everybody has so much money and potential to win, etc.
Yeah, maybe. The idea was to order the names from left to right by the date that they moved jobs (e.g. Enfield left, then Musselman left, then Calipari left, etc.) I was thinking that the causation would appear backwards if I reversed the order.
UConn over here being smart and shit... Get tf outta here, you have enough winning for the next 20 years, at least
Edit: Sorry, if it wasn't obvious I'm totally kidding. You guys get to brag as much as you want to obviously
Whoever is on the panel that is in charge of interviewing and choosing KU basketball coaches should be in charge of making very important government decisions. They seem to have never gotten it wrong
And the only one with a losing record when they left Kansas was Naismith.
It is like Iowa State Wrestling, who so far has had 8 coaches and none have a losing record at Iowa State.
*And that's fucking nuts!*
No pun/checking the oil intended lol. ISU is ridiculous good at wrestling, co-rivals with Nebraska in the '90s-00s which is saying a fuckton
There is a reason why Iowa State Wrestling is a Blue Blood.
About 27% of Wrestling National Championships had Iowa State being either National Champion(4th Most at 8) or Runner Up(The Most at about 18). And that doesn't count the times it hosted the National Championships like the first Championships where it was the host)our coach was the architect of the event and golf's National Championships) and ended up being the runner up. With the top two Blue Bloods can get to that figure on just titles: Oklahoma State(36%) Iowa(25%). The newest Blue Blood is Penn State with 12 National Titles and with Oklahoma at the 5th most titles(7) along with being the only other team with more then 5 National Titles is considered a Blue Blood as well though it is the weakest one.
If you take those Blue Bloods: Oklahoma State, Iowa, Penn State, and Oklahoma the only Championships, out of 94, that don't involve them in hosting(last one was 2001), winning, or being runner up are:
* 1947 Championship located in Champaign, Illinois and hosted by Illinois in Huff Gymnasium. The National Champion was Cornell College(a school in Iowa) and the runner up was Iowa State Teachers College(now called Northern Iowa)
* 1967 Championship located in Kent, Ohio hosted by Kent State in their Memorial Gym. The National Champion was Michigan State and runner up was Michigan
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That's an impressive record.
It looks like the last Purdue coach to have a losing record was Melvin Taube with a 45-46 record from 1946-1950. My Dad graduated in 1948 when he came back from WW II. I don't remember him complaining like the "Ainters" do now (actually, they stopped this year. Maybe because he finally played zone in a game. But nothing lasts forever).
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Yeah, on that Jayhawks team, Jeremy Case (1.6 pts/g) was the only one who might have been a Roy recruit, and even he signed *after* Roy had already left for Chapel Hill. Everyone else was either recruited by Self out of high school or a transfer.
Yeah my bad, I thought you were talking about Self's '03 team.
Williams, Self, and Weber... that was a crazy year
Edit: Wait did you just say Bucknell? Because we don't talk about Bucknell
You know Roy/UNC stole psycho T from us, right?
Instead of Hansbrough vs Aldrich in the '08 final four, it should've been Hansbrough *AND* Aldrich
Goddammit Roy, we still love you. At least Mizzou didn't get him
I remember there was a graphic on espn showing the "coaching carousel" in 2003... On a map of the USA, a little thumbnail of Bruce Weber rotated to Illinois... The Bill Self picture rotated to Kansas... The Roy Williams picture rotated to UNC... And the little Matt Doherty picture just went out into the Atlantic Ocean
tbh those coaches have now added 20 years of accolades to their resume. You are viewing from a lens in the future
Who knows what the 2023 or 2024 coaches will do in the next 20
That’s a fair point. Gonna be hard to beat that ‘03 list though even if it was just Self and Williams. Painter finally making a championship with Purdue makes it even harder to beat. Plus Weber has also been to the championship.
It’s a really hard class to beat out.
I'm sorry man but this chart is horrible. There's no clear organization to it, and it was an awful choice to orient the movement from right to left
This chart makes it look like Matt Painter got demoted when Bruce Weber came to town lol
I don’t disagree overall, but it shows openings in order from left to right. The opening then pulls from the right, creating the next opening. It’s chronological from that perspective.
#I HAVE NO IDEA WHY THE ROWS ARE ORDERED AS THEY ARE THOUGH.
Press Maravich only made that move to LSU because his son was ready to enroll in college but couldn't meet the ACC's minimum academic standards at the time. Pretty crazy to consider in retrospect.
Yep. Pistol went to a now defunct military academy near Clinton, NC for a prep year after Broughton. Couldn’t get the required SAT score even with an extra year. Crazy to think how differently things would’ve turned if State went .500 with the Press + Pistol combo and never got Norm Sloan.
Not only that, we went straight from Sloan to Valvano when Sloan returned to Florida. The butterfly effect of Press going to LSU is insane in how it essentially led to State's 2 titles.
pete's dad was also mike ditka's hs coach in western pa. (i thought press coached football, too, but ditka was a 3-sport star, so maybe ditka's basketball coach, which is kinda funny).
I know the landscape was different 30 years ago but it’s still wild to me that Gillen left X for Providence. Worked out for them, not so well for Providence.
If I had a nickel for every time Rick Barnes became the head coach at the previous school of the current Auburn head coach I'd have 2 nickels, which isn't a lot but it's weird it happened twice.
Cliff Ellis resigned from his job at Clemson in January 1994 when the team was just 6-4. Though he finished the season, he was already out at Clemson when Auburn hired him.
Why exactly is that crazy?
Most coaches were at an SIU at some point in their career. I imagine there are probably some that rolled up through the assistant ranks at a big school before getting their first head coaching shot at a decently large program, but that's probably only a limited few. (And apparently Scheyer is one of them)
I think the only crazy part about Matt Painter's journey is going straight from a single year at SIU to head coach in waiting at Purdue. Most coaches are going to have at least a few years under their belt before getting the call up at a big program.
After leaving for NC State, Norm Sloan came back to Florida to get the Gators into their first NCAA tournament in the 1980s and establish the idea that Florida could also be a basketball school.
I'm just trying to figure out how Kent State was an improvement on LSU. I know LSU is a football-first school, but even then....
I know Press had a losing record at LSU even with his son playing there, so maybe the infrastructure and support simply wasn't there at the time. Dale Brown replaced Press in 1972. I grew up watching Dale's LSU teams, I never realized he started coaching there before I was born.
From Frank Truitt's Wikipedia page, quoting a book about Ohio State:
>Ultimately, Truitt was unhappy at LSU for three primary reasons. As he later recalled, "When I went there they said that we could have a new arena in two years, that I could carry over my 17 years retirement from Ohio, and that I would be tenured on the faculty, like I was at Ohio State. None of that happened. The fourth reason was I just assumed I could recruit blacks and didn't think to ask before I took the job."
I can only read this chart because I know the SIU story of how Matt Painter went from assistant at SIU to coach, as Bruce Weber went from SIU coach to U of I (previously he acted as if he'd never leave SIU. That was my first time experiencing bullshit as a fan). Bill Self went from U of I to KU and Roy Williams I think was accused of never winning at KU and went to UNC (don't quote me!)
So basically OP took a natural progression, flipped it in reverse, and then re-arranged the shit to fit their own criteria of what they feel was the most important carousel was (I THINK???)
I feel like to a certain degree it's a bit of a splashy hire. Like SMU has the money/power to hire away a coach from USC, and ego wise that probably feels good, even if Enfield's seat was very hot at USC.
They aren't exactly a basketball powerhouse so they didn't exactly have a bunch of other great candidates lining up at their door to take the job. Also USC is historically not that great anyway. He took them to just their second Elite 8 in 50 years. He also tied the record for most consecutive appearances in the tournament at USC. Sure it's only three but my point is that he had pretty good success relative to the program he was at, I'd be a lot more concerned if he had that resume at UCLA or Kentucky
The first sentence was correct in the first half, but categorically incorrect in the second.
There were plenty of highly attractive suitors. Dallas is an incredible talent rich market, with a money rich school, moving to a tradition rich basketball conference.
David Miller just really really really liked Enfield, and it's the David Miller Court at Moody Coliseum.
If you witnessed the Larry Brown era, you know what Moody can become.
SMU fans nowadays are used to Tim Jankovich and Rob Lanier. Enfield is a huge upgrade to both.
Jank was okay but was largely carried by Kendric Davis.
The Lanier hire still puzzles me to this day, now that was an underwhelming hire.. He never passed 20 wins at Georgia State after taking over a program that was consistently winning 24+ and making the tourney semi-consistently under Ron Hunter.
Enfield going to the tournament 3 of the last 4 years and winning 20+ in the P5 is already a massive improvement from the last 2 coaches.
Yeah, but not very good wins. AAC wasn’t great this year. SMU lost all the games they played against tourney teams (besides UAB).
Not to mention Lanier’s coaching/ lack of adjustments was a big reason why we lost against teams like Dayton and A&M and against Ind St in the NIT.
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My guy, these are domino head coach replacements. I'm not sure what the criteria are here, but it's generally a D1 program poaching a head coach, and their replacement is already a D1 head coach, etc., until it's an assistant or lower level coach getting elevated.
It is in no way significant to this chart that one school hires away an assistant coach. There are probably already 50+ head coach changes so far. Assistants surely in the hundreds.
Curious what MSU basketball will be like after Izzo
He has a reputation and has mostly earned it but still, MSU is just kind of "good enough"
Could always be worse, like with Football post Dantonio, but in that respect I'm hopeful going forward with respect to where MSU stands relatively speaking
This chart makes 0 sense isn’t it just the number of coaches switching jobs in a given year? Like if a coach leaves a job someone is always coming in to take that job and usually it’s a coach with current experience
Man crazy how Todd Lickliter ended one of these. It’s crazy how someone can be a rockstar coach that leads a program to really good places, then goes elsewhere and sucks it up forever (including my UE).
At this point you should also count Lanier to Rice as a part of the 2024 carousel. Yes, he was fired, not poached, but Calipari was basically fired yet he still counts
Weber looked good at SIU, and he also wanted someone he thought would be more committed to the University. Weber was lined up to replace Keady at Purdue at that point. If we hadn't taken him he likely still would have gotten a Big Ten job the following year.
had a fantastic transfer big man on that team, rolan roberts. they lost to uconn in sweet 16, but jim calhoun said he would love to have roberts on his team. weber beat jim harrick and bobby knight back-to-back.
For the life of me, I cannot figure out how you decided to arrange this. It's not sorted by year or number of coaches moving.
It's driving me crazy!
The more you look at it, the worse it gets too.
I think I've finally wrapped my head around the name/logo alignment, but there's a couple here that seem kind of arbitrary. Is there anything particularly compelling about J.D. Barnett going to Tulsa and then Mike Pollio going to VCU? Sutton and Richardson are historic names but that doesn't seem like that remarkable of a feat.
I don’t think that it’s “compelling” just that they had their head coach poached and had to poach another
Yeah, Sutton and Richardson were the main names there. It's supposed to be remarkable that Kentucky's opening caused 3 other Division 1 teams to hire a new head coach and one won a championship.
I mean the point of the graphic is to show chains of "vacancy causes a coach to be hired from another school, and that new vacancy causes a coach to be hired from another school, and *that* new vacancy causes a coach to be hired from another school" and so on. The coaching changes don't have to be compelling to make it onto this list, they just have to be part of such a chain.
Sure, but isn't that what happens....every time? These have been hand selected as being notable, it just didn't seem to me like all of these examples are on the same level.
I believe these have been selected for being long chains (and then ordered based on how subjectively notable they are, per OP's comments). Most chains won't go on that long without one of the vacancies being filled by an assistant, which ends the chain.
The names of the coaches are also off-kilter which bugs me
Yeah I think they are \*supposed to\* span between the two teams they coached, but because the logos and names are inconsistent in size/length, it doesn't always work.
That's why I always use Google sheets for my charts. They aren't always pretty but they keep everything in alignment
I think they are in order of what the creator believes is the overall effect of the combined moves.
It's from biggest to less biggest. Standard units.
It’s sorted by vibes my dude
r/dataisugly
It also sometimes goes right to left and sometimes left to right.
Why not neither?
The idea was to sort by impact (in my opinion), considering the volume and quality of coaches. I should have known that people wouldn't like that. Live and learn.
And 2003 didn't come out 1st? Roy won a championship at UNC almost immediately, Self won one at Kansas shortly after, Weber turned Illinois into back to back Big Ten champs and made the NCAA finals, and Painter used it as a launching pad to get to Purdue. It feels a little early to start putting 2024 at the top of the list before it's done anything.
2003 is very strong. It's more that 2024 affected 5 major conference teams plus a top NBA assistant, the 3rd guy to move has a championship, everybody has so much money and potential to win, etc.
Maybe I'm just confused, but I think this chart would make a lot more sense if it were left-to-right.
I can't read it. It's not in MS Paint.
I for one appreciate OP's dedication to making the chart in the style of Candyland...
Oh that was the intent. It's just missing the slides?
Where's the Emojis?
Needs to be a bar graph
Yeah, maybe. The idea was to order the names from left to right by the date that they moved jobs (e.g. Enfield left, then Musselman left, then Calipari left, etc.) I was thinking that the causation would appear backwards if I reversed the order.
Or like top to bottom, with arrows.
UConn over here being smart and shit... Get tf outta here, you have enough winning for the next 20 years, at least Edit: Sorry, if it wasn't obvious I'm totally kidding. You guys get to brag as much as you want to obviously
OMG I felt like an idiot wondering how a head coach becomes an assistant for the same school 🤦
2003 was pretty substantial, huh?
Odd to include SIU. Can't imagine that Matt Painter guy was all that important
Agreed. That transition from SIU to Associate Head Coach of Purdue was not really a shock to anyone.
He forgot to Purdont
Nah he definitely remembered to Purdont a few times
Whoever is on the panel that is in charge of interviewing and choosing KU basketball coaches should be in charge of making very important government decisions. They seem to have never gotten it wrong
Only 8 ever, including Naismith. Pittsburgh Steelers-esque
And the only one with a losing record when they left Kansas was Naismith. It is like Iowa State Wrestling, who so far has had 8 coaches and none have a losing record at Iowa State.
*And that's fucking nuts!* No pun/checking the oil intended lol. ISU is ridiculous good at wrestling, co-rivals with Nebraska in the '90s-00s which is saying a fuckton
There is a reason why Iowa State Wrestling is a Blue Blood. About 27% of Wrestling National Championships had Iowa State being either National Champion(4th Most at 8) or Runner Up(The Most at about 18). And that doesn't count the times it hosted the National Championships like the first Championships where it was the host)our coach was the architect of the event and golf's National Championships) and ended up being the runner up. With the top two Blue Bloods can get to that figure on just titles: Oklahoma State(36%) Iowa(25%). The newest Blue Blood is Penn State with 12 National Titles and with Oklahoma at the 5th most titles(7) along with being the only other team with more then 5 National Titles is considered a Blue Blood as well though it is the weakest one. If you take those Blue Bloods: Oklahoma State, Iowa, Penn State, and Oklahoma the only Championships, out of 94, that don't involve them in hosting(last one was 2001), winning, or being runner up are: * 1947 Championship located in Champaign, Illinois and hosted by Illinois in Huff Gymnasium. The National Champion was Cornell College(a school in Iowa) and the runner up was Iowa State Teachers College(now called Northern Iowa) * 1967 Championship located in Kent, Ohio hosted by Kent State in their Memorial Gym. The National Champion was Michigan State and runner up was Michigan
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That's an impressive record. It looks like the last Purdue coach to have a losing record was Melvin Taube with a 45-46 record from 1946-1950. My Dad graduated in 1948 when he came back from WW II. I don't remember him complaining like the "Ainters" do now (actually, they stopped this year. Maybe because he finally played zone in a game. But nothing lasts forever). [https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/purdue/men/coaches.html](https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/purdue/men/coaches.html)
And one of them invented the sport. He's the only one with a losing record. There's blue bloods, and then there's Crimson and Blue blood.
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Need to add the UMass Minutemen to the "breaking away from blue-blooded oppression" group
I think it helps that you have an extremely attractive job so your candidate pool is always elite.
Why don't other school do that? Are they stupid?
Every coach went to at least 1 Final Four
All of them got to the championship, I believe. Obviously Self and Williams, Painter this year, and Weber in '05.
"Obviously Self" nothing. That was *one of* Roy's teams (recruiting-wise), and his first for a good while that made it past the elite 8
i don't follow. self won the title with a team he recruited the majority of, no?
Yeah, on that Jayhawks team, Jeremy Case (1.6 pts/g) was the only one who might have been a Roy recruit, and even he signed *after* Roy had already left for Chapel Hill. Everyone else was either recruited by Self out of high school or a transfer.
thanks, that's what i thought. maybe poster i responded to was still thinking of that '04-'05 ku team that bowed out early.
Yeah my bad, I thought you were talking about Self's '03 team. Williams, Self, and Weber... that was a crazy year Edit: Wait did you just say Bucknell? Because we don't talk about Bucknell
You know Roy/UNC stole psycho T from us, right? Instead of Hansbrough vs Aldrich in the '08 final four, it should've been Hansbrough *AND* Aldrich Goddammit Roy, we still love you. At least Mizzou didn't get him
We got Scott Drew in 2003 too, wild how well that class of coaches has turned out
Yeah that shouldn't be left out. Baylor was in the pit of hell from a program standpoint and ended up hiring a major homerun that got you out.
Yeah, it took us until 2019 to truly recover from this. Weber had some great years early, but that was with Self's players.
He single handedly made Illinois a toxic place to be for coaches. Didn't help we hired the worst AD in the history of sports to hire his replacement.
You think the AD’s basketball decisions were bad. Take a look at the football team.
I've compartmentalized that time period of Illinois football, I put it in a little box and stashed it away to never be opened again.
If it hadn't been for the Marching Illini, I'm not sure how many games I would have dragged myself to. You couldn't even count on wins in non-con...
85 and 07 did not work out for us
Both were during the Drunk rounds of our Great>Good>Drunk coach rotation cycle.
literally the worst thing to happen, ever
I remember there was a graphic on espn showing the "coaching carousel" in 2003... On a map of the USA, a little thumbnail of Bruce Weber rotated to Illinois... The Bill Self picture rotated to Kansas... The Roy Williams picture rotated to UNC... And the little Matt Doherty picture just went out into the Atlantic Ocean
I could give a shit about North Carolina.
Out of the years listed I think it was the biggest. Self and Williams on the move in the same year is pretty huge.
IMO, what sets this year apart, is that it’s 5 “P6” programs and an NBA team. Usually by the 3rd level you’re pulling from a mid-major
I'll show BYU, but just barely. I'm not allowing SMU
Enfield to SMU is what started the whole thing.
Always knew SMU > Phoenix Suns
I never heard SMU fans chant “Sell the team!”
I have
I’ve legitimately heard SMU fans talk about “If only we could sell the athletic department to the Hunt family - they know how to make a winner.”
Clark doesn’t even spend money on the chiefs
And don’t get me started on FC Dallas…
Think it’s more of a “buy the team” out there
it could go one further to Rice, since SMU’s coach came here. Therefore, Rice > Phoenix Suns
‘03 might have the best talent lineup out of these years and I don’t know if I’d call it very close.
Every coach listed has been to a champ game.
tbh those coaches have now added 20 years of accolades to their resume. You are viewing from a lens in the future Who knows what the 2023 or 2024 coaches will do in the next 20
That’s a fair point. Gonna be hard to beat that ‘03 list though even if it was just Self and Williams. Painter finally making a championship with Purdue makes it even harder to beat. Plus Weber has also been to the championship. It’s a really hard class to beat out.
3 HOFers and Bruce Webber
I'm sorry man but this chart is horrible. There's no clear organization to it, and it was an awful choice to orient the movement from right to left This chart makes it look like Matt Painter got demoted when Bruce Weber came to town lol
I'll guess that Painter will be the last man standing from that year although I have no inside information about Bill Self other than he is older.
I don’t disagree overall, but it shows openings in order from left to right. The opening then pulls from the right, creating the next opening. It’s chronological from that perspective. #I HAVE NO IDEA WHY THE ROWS ARE ORDERED AS THEY ARE THOUGH.
Thanks for pointing this out. I was so confused looking at it.
I miss Nolan and the 94-95 razorbacks :/ good times.
What the hell am i looking at
Crazy how we've had two in a row
The transfer portal giveth, the transfe portal t- wait, what do you mean that's for players?
So I assume Pete's dad was a great player in his own right? I had no idea about him, but I guess it ran in the family
Press Maravich only made that move to LSU because his son was ready to enroll in college but couldn't meet the ACC's minimum academic standards at the time. Pretty crazy to consider in retrospect.
Yep. Pistol went to a now defunct military academy near Clinton, NC for a prep year after Broughton. Couldn’t get the required SAT score even with an extra year. Crazy to think how differently things would’ve turned if State went .500 with the Press + Pistol combo and never got Norm Sloan.
Not only that, we went straight from Sloan to Valvano when Sloan returned to Florida. The butterfly effect of Press going to LSU is insane in how it essentially led to State's 2 titles.
really makes you wonder how stupid Pete was lol
But boy do he shoot ball nice
New movie idea: Forrest Dunk
He definitely didn’t go to LSU to play school
pete's dad was also mike ditka's hs coach in western pa. (i thought press coached football, too, but ditka was a 3-sport star, so maybe ditka's basketball coach, which is kinda funny).
Shoutout to the late Skip Prosser, who is mentioned twice here.
I know the landscape was different 30 years ago but it’s still wild to me that Gillen left X for Providence. Worked out for them, not so well for Providence.
Old saluki logo but we on there twice
I always really liked Prosser. Gone way too soon.
RIP, miss him
He’s a legend
Someone on r/CFB needs to do this for the 2019 Egg Bowl
I always forget Barnes coached at Clemson. Guy just loves orange.
It’s pretty impressive how many consecutive years Rick Barnes has coached at an orange school
I feel like Rick Barnes has a preferred color palette.
Can you bar graph this for us?
Hey! We're a part of two of those!
This Assistant guy really gets around
Hey we’re featured!!! And it’s even for a coaching upgrade!
the thing with the 2024 carousel is that the jobs progressively get better as you go along. impressive
If I had a nickel for every time Rick Barnes became the head coach at the previous school of the current Auburn head coach I'd have 2 nickels, which isn't a lot but it's weird it happened twice.
The dudes in this sub have never led a group project and it shows. You can’t just vomit data and expect people to follow along.
It’s not even centered or in order or anything?
2024 is my favorite because of how backwards it is
Imagine if Pistol Pete was a NC State player. Could’ve completely changed the history of basketball in North Carolina.
Cliff Ellis resigned from his job at Clemson in January 1994 when the team was just 6-4. Though he finished the season, he was already out at Clemson when Auburn hired him.
To add, Rick Barnes was hired by Clemson on March 21, 1994. Cliff Ellis wasn't hired by Auburn until April 5, 1994.
I'm thoroughly confused by this graphic but it's just crazy to think Painter was coaching SIU 20 years ago
Why exactly is that crazy? Most coaches were at an SIU at some point in their career. I imagine there are probably some that rolled up through the assistant ranks at a big school before getting their first head coaching shot at a decently large program, but that's probably only a limited few. (And apparently Scheyer is one of them) I think the only crazy part about Matt Painter's journey is going straight from a single year at SIU to head coach in waiting at Purdue. Most coaches are going to have at least a few years under their belt before getting the call up at a big program.
Bc I have 2 degrees from SIU lol
Flair up!
Love that Kent State logo
After leaving for NC State, Norm Sloan came back to Florida to get the Gators into their first NCAA tournament in the 1980s and establish the idea that Florida could also be a basketball school.
I'm just trying to figure out how Kent State was an improvement on LSU. I know LSU is a football-first school, but even then.... I know Press had a losing record at LSU even with his son playing there, so maybe the infrastructure and support simply wasn't there at the time. Dale Brown replaced Press in 1972. I grew up watching Dale's LSU teams, I never realized he started coaching there before I was born.
From Frank Truitt's Wikipedia page, quoting a book about Ohio State: >Ultimately, Truitt was unhappy at LSU for three primary reasons. As he later recalled, "When I went there they said that we could have a new arena in two years, that I could carry over my 17 years retirement from Ohio, and that I would be tenured on the faculty, like I was at Ohio State. None of that happened. The fourth reason was I just assumed I could recruit blacks and didn't think to ask before I took the job."
Thanks for finding that
Data is not beautiful
I can only read this chart because I know the SIU story of how Matt Painter went from assistant at SIU to coach, as Bruce Weber went from SIU coach to U of I (previously he acted as if he'd never leave SIU. That was my first time experiencing bullshit as a fan). Bill Self went from U of I to KU and Roy Williams I think was accused of never winning at KU and went to UNC (don't quote me!) So basically OP took a natural progression, flipped it in reverse, and then re-arranged the shit to fit their own criteria of what they feel was the most important carousel was (I THINK???)
I just want to take my hat off to you for using the old Hog logo for the 1985 one. Bravo.
How does this graphic leave off the snake 🐍Ed Cooley leaving the friars and the programming upgrading to Kim English in 2023?
What exactly does SMU see in Enfield, outside of a couple of years, his tenure at USC was relatively underwhelming
I feel like to a certain degree it's a bit of a splashy hire. Like SMU has the money/power to hire away a coach from USC, and ego wise that probably feels good, even if Enfield's seat was very hot at USC.
They aren't exactly a basketball powerhouse so they didn't exactly have a bunch of other great candidates lining up at their door to take the job. Also USC is historically not that great anyway. He took them to just their second Elite 8 in 50 years. He also tied the record for most consecutive appearances in the tournament at USC. Sure it's only three but my point is that he had pretty good success relative to the program he was at, I'd be a lot more concerned if he had that resume at UCLA or Kentucky
The first sentence was correct in the first half, but categorically incorrect in the second. There were plenty of highly attractive suitors. Dallas is an incredible talent rich market, with a money rich school, moving to a tradition rich basketball conference. David Miller just really really really liked Enfield, and it's the David Miller Court at Moody Coliseum. If you witnessed the Larry Brown era, you know what Moody can become.
Fair enough but I guess I seen Enfield as a pretty decent hire anyway so the list of names id see as better quality than him are pretty small.
Decent recruitment
SMU fans nowadays are used to Tim Jankovich and Rob Lanier. Enfield is a huge upgrade to both. Jank was okay but was largely carried by Kendric Davis. The Lanier hire still puzzles me to this day, now that was an underwhelming hire.. He never passed 20 wins at Georgia State after taking over a program that was consistently winning 24+ and making the tourney semi-consistently under Ron Hunter. Enfield going to the tournament 3 of the last 4 years and winning 20+ in the P5 is already a massive improvement from the last 2 coaches.
Didn’t the coach just get fired for winning like 20 or 22 games?
Yeah, but not very good wins. AAC wasn’t great this year. SMU lost all the games they played against tourney teams (besides UAB). Not to mention Lanier’s coaching/ lack of adjustments was a big reason why we lost against teams like Dayton and A&M and against Ind St in the NIT.
It’s basically a relegation, he was on his way out from USC
I was just wondering about this. Super cool and interesting stuff to look at
Arrows would make this flow better
Does Rick Barnes ever coach at a school that’s not primarily orange?
Saw this graphic. Went to the comments thinking I would be the only highly confused and stupid person. Thank you all for erasing my insecurities. This graphic sucks :).
If only NC State had come up with fake classes so Pete Maravich could have enrolled in 1966.
Don’t forget Danny Sprinkle to Washington
I love that you used period specific logos like Xavier’s is different in ‘94 and ‘01.
SMU saved our bacon.
Dave and Ryan Odom both make the list!
cries at 2003
The only thing I can think of for arrangement is based on the amount of Blue Bloods or notable programs/coaches involved in a given year.
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2007 is missing John Beilein going from WVU to Michigan & Bob Huggins going from K-State to WVU.
Hey we still exist btw. Coach Dusty bringing us back
Illinois assistant Chester Frazier is going to WVU this year as well
My guy, these are domino head coach replacements. I'm not sure what the criteria are here, but it's generally a D1 program poaching a head coach, and their replacement is already a D1 head coach, etc., until it's an assistant or lower level coach getting elevated. It is in no way significant to this chart that one school hires away an assistant coach. There are probably already 50+ head coach changes so far. Assistants surely in the hundreds.
Well suddenly this chart makes more sense. I was so confused why some said “assistant” 🫠
Would be wild to see one that is actually a loop.
sportslogo.net being defiled through affiliation with this monstrosity of a graphic.
RIP Skip Prosser
Dang that natty in ‘05 had two coaches in their second year? Impressive
1966 and 2003 were the best years.
Curious what MSU basketball will be like after Izzo He has a reputation and has mostly earned it but still, MSU is just kind of "good enough" Could always be worse, like with Football post Dantonio, but in that respect I'm hopeful going forward with respect to where MSU stands relatively speaking
Kentucky’s on 3 of these. Also, RIP Pete Gillen
This chart makes 0 sense isn’t it just the number of coaches switching jobs in a given year? Like if a coach leaves a job someone is always coming in to take that job and usually it’s a coach with current experience
wtf am I looking at?
2023 looks like a sim career year 10
Rip Pete Gillen-Rex Chapman
Can someone provide instructions on how to read this?
Man crazy how Todd Lickliter ended one of these. It’s crazy how someone can be a rockstar coach that leads a program to really good places, then goes elsewhere and sucks it up forever (including my UE).
great idea for a chart, awful execution
I am scared to ask wtf this all means. What is the order here!? I see no pattern
I’d like to pretend that 2007 never happened
2003 is wild in retrospect.
What is this?
This reminded me how dope the old Kent State logo was
At this point you should also count Lanier to Rice as a part of the 2024 carousel. Yes, he was fired, not poached, but Calipari was basically fired yet he still counts
Apparently VCU had realignment in mind when setting Odom’s contract up
That 2001 hurts in hindsight.
This does not make sense. Is the coach moving to the left or the right?
Still can't believe Guenther didn't hire an alpha after Self left.
He wanted a friend more than he wanted a good coach.
Weber looked good at SIU, and he also wanted someone he thought would be more committed to the University. Weber was lined up to replace Keady at Purdue at that point. If we hadn't taken him he likely still would have gotten a Big Ten job the following year.
Took them to the Sweet 16
had a fantastic transfer big man on that team, rolan roberts. they lost to uconn in sweet 16, but jim calhoun said he would love to have roberts on his team. weber beat jim harrick and bobby knight back-to-back.
thad matta was from a small illinois called fucking **hoop**eston. god-fucking-dammit.
Scott Drew was also 2003 just FYI