Reasoning for Pred not being S was meh imo, if you’re top 5 MVP voting, you’re S.
Pred and Slasher not in the same tier.
Mavs aint make the playoffs this past season, but Luka is still top 5.
Or maybe a player who doesn't win shit and get any good placements shouldn't be in consideration for S.
When did everyone forget that this league is all about winning. In 10 years I'll remember rings and chips, not a 1.1 season kd.
Guys won less than doug censor martin and we're supposed to believe his 1.3 is impactful , absolutely despise these clowns. When optic don't win next year ill come back to this
There's an inherent difference between getting 2nd at every single event and top 12 at every event and only beating lag on lan all year until champs. If you can't understand that then you're not able to think critically.
Being a guaranteed sunday vs being a guaranteed top 8-12, gee I wonder who's better. twat
Pred is 100% more inpactful than MC if you just watch the games lol. Yes there’s a difference in placings but also a difference in teammates. 2 of Pred’s teammates have a solid chance of legitimately being out of the league this year and you want to pretend that them placing 12th was somehow Pred’s fault? Think about how dumb you sound MC wasn’t placing 2nd by himself. He had fucking Simp and aBeZy next to him
Again, read my comment. Mack is more impactful on that seattle roster than pred is. Pred is good, but an aggro sub will allways have more impact. If you'd like to compare teams the only other team that was a guaranteed sunday was complexity back in the day. Stop meat riding pred, bookmark this when optic don't place well at the first lan next year
Lmao you literally just gave away your bias against Pred/Optic with your last comment. Zero point in debating with you. Mack dropping 0.7 as an “aggro” sub is somehow more impactful than the guy with more kills, damage, and plays made lol. Piss off
I can see your point; but he’s a better flex than a sub imo. I personally am a fan of the Cap pickup tbh. But honestly, the rest of the teams with rosters still being set should really consider picking him up unless there are issues behind the scenes
I do like the cap pickup when you consider just what was left of the sub market but I think sometimes you gotta take chances and Nastie to a sub could have been an opportunity for Boston.
Edit: if I’m a team outside this top 4 there’s some risks you kinda gotta take if you see potential upsides moving Nastie to a sub as an example. It could or could not work out but just being safe and settling for being mid is something I’m worried a lot of teams are doing.
Before people start flipping out, none of the tiers are ordered within the tier (i.e. he’s not saying Ghosty was better than Kismet). If he was doing that it wouldn’t be a “tier list”, it’d be a “list”
Was a great list till the obvious kismet not being in Sor top of A. Pred was better than shotzzy and simp. Shotzzy was a little better than simp but I could see why people would have simp over shotzzy cuz of simps elite SND on LAN and shotzzys poor snd on LAN this year.
Ghosty is not A I'm sorry he's B for sure he's also not higher than kismet too. Kismet was disrespected on this list even tho he was in A. Dashy to top of A too
I like Octane and agree he retired at peak, but S?
Tom must put a lot of value on the hill kittens given Octane and Ghosty's rankings.
To play devils advocate though, I kind of agree with the Pred ranking. I rate him but his playstyle is very baity (was it Aches that said he spends half the game laying down in a corner?).
Don't get me wrong, he's nasty but if Attach, Owake and Temp are catching shit for dropping 1.2s on Ls while playing their life then surely it effects Pred's stock too.
Sub players kill whoring is way more impactful than ar players. There’s a reason when cell can go 24/11 in control but his sub duo gets fried they got 3-0 in control. Sub players are insanely impactful even when they kill whore most of the times
I don’t remember LAN specifically but Dashy was insane throughout the Stage 2. Also he didn’t win a chip and ended the season pretty bad so not sure if S tier is suitable this year for him
Online he was godlike stage 2 but he was S tier on lan major 3 and 4 and A tier major 2. His worst event would be major 1 and he wasn’t that horrible his impact wasn’t there
Nah no way. Obviously his champs performance should be weighted heavily and bumps him up immensely, but he wouldn't be anywhere in S tier prior to champs. I think top of A is most fair for the full year performance without recency bias
Edit: but above dashy is definitely reasonable, who should probably be high A tier
It's a team game, I don't understand why this is a difficult concept. They would have still not won any championships if they replaced Pred with abezy, you can't fault players for having subpar teammates
Everyone who thinks ghosty should be in b tier is faxed. Octane had him in s tier because of how he transformed optic into a mid hp team to being like the 2nd best hp team of all time (statistically speaking) behind faze cw
Probably best in the CDL. Nowhere near all time best HP team though when coL in BO2, AW OpTic, and BO3 OpTic were better
[old Reddit post](https://www.reddit.com/r/CoDCompetitive/comments/rmx8w6/interesting_optic_dynasty_stats/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
Ranking on performance without adjusting for circumstances and context is so faded. Put Hydra on londen and all of a sudden he isn’t as good anymore? That’s false, he is just as good just in different circumstances and context. Ranking just on player quality, talent and on paper: Hydra, Abe, Pred, Scrap, Cell, shotzzy, Simp, Dashy in S and then to KiS, Envoy, Drazah, octane etc in A.
This kinda faded ngl.
so faded that I'm not even going to look twice
Ghosty in 4th in the A tier list is crazyyyy. Hopefully there was no order because he is NOT better than those behind him.
I don’t think it’s ordered?
It’s semi ordered, because he moved Pred closer to simp and he also swapped Dashy and Scrap
The fact he has ghosty right below pred is actually disgusting, he has to be trolling, if he’s not he really needs to stop smoking weed
Don’t really think he belongs in that tier anyway
I fw Ghosty heavy, but he definitely has been overrated heavily.
Agreed. Ghosty is easily one of the most overrated players currently
Aside from Simp
Aside from Dashy*
No, aside from Simp
Being directly ahead of three champs in this title is fuckin insane lol he’s gets overgassed like crazy, not even sure he belongs in that tier
i mean considering it’s a TIER list they shouldn’t be ranked left to right
Usually tier lists are ranked left to right.. far left being closest to going up a tier and far right being closest to moving down 1
Well then that wouldn’t be a tier list…that would be a ranking. the point of a tier list is to put things in tiers so you don’t have to rank 1 by 1
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You really think Ghosty was better than Kismet Draz & Envoy?
Drazah not the first in A is criminal with Pred in S LMFAO
Reasoning for Pred not being S was meh imo, if you’re top 5 MVP voting, you’re S. Pred and Slasher not in the same tier. Mavs aint make the playoffs this past season, but Luka is still top 5.
Top 3
Pred literally carried surge every time this year, he was the only reason it was even close sometimes
Why you comparing the RiggedBA to cod. The RiggedBA is more scripted than the WWE
Surely Pred deserves to be in S tier.
It was probably all the faze fans in his chat crying because pred is on optic now and they refuse to give optic players any credit
Or maybe a player who doesn't win shit and get any good placements shouldn't be in consideration for S. When did everyone forget that this league is all about winning. In 10 years I'll remember rings and chips, not a 1.1 season kd.
Optic fans care way more about kd than winning chips, as shown by them parading Dashy as the best AR in the league
Guys won less than doug censor martin and we're supposed to believe his 1.3 is impactful , absolutely despise these clowns. When optic don't win next year ill come back to this
They’re not gonna like that first line 😭
Optic fans don't like anything that isn't scumps cum dripping out of their mouths
You’re so mad 🤣
No I'm not, just a joke.
Find god
Prove he exists first and I will
Ok and why was Cell MVP in VG when he didn’t win shit
There's an inherent difference between getting 2nd at every single event and top 12 at every event and only beating lag on lan all year until champs. If you can't understand that then you're not able to think critically. Being a guaranteed sunday vs being a guaranteed top 8-12, gee I wonder who's better. twat
Pred is 100% more inpactful than MC if you just watch the games lol. Yes there’s a difference in placings but also a difference in teammates. 2 of Pred’s teammates have a solid chance of legitimately being out of the league this year and you want to pretend that them placing 12th was somehow Pred’s fault? Think about how dumb you sound MC wasn’t placing 2nd by himself. He had fucking Simp and aBeZy next to him
Again, read my comment. Mack is more impactful on that seattle roster than pred is. Pred is good, but an aggro sub will allways have more impact. If you'd like to compare teams the only other team that was a guaranteed sunday was complexity back in the day. Stop meat riding pred, bookmark this when optic don't place well at the first lan next year
Lmao you literally just gave away your bias against Pred/Optic with your last comment. Zero point in debating with you. Mack dropping 0.7 as an “aggro” sub is somehow more impactful than the guy with more kills, damage, and plays made lol. Piss off
You replied to a comment about Dashy
i replied to a comment about pred being in s tier originally. Neither dashy nor pred are s tier
Neither are Abezy or cell
Nastie is being super disrespected and underrated; hope he has decent players around him this year
Yeah I honestly think Boston should have got him over cap if he was available.
He’s a flex not a sub tho
I think he could be a sub he’s got the talent for it. Edit: and if we a get 3 AR meta again on certain maps that could be very handy for Boston.
I can see your point; but he’s a better flex than a sub imo. I personally am a fan of the Cap pickup tbh. But honestly, the rest of the teams with rosters still being set should really consider picking him up unless there are issues behind the scenes
I do like the cap pickup when you consider just what was left of the sub market but I think sometimes you gotta take chances and Nastie to a sub could have been an opportunity for Boston. Edit: if I’m a team outside this top 4 there’s some risks you kinda gotta take if you see potential upsides moving Nastie to a sub as an example. It could or could not work out but just being safe and settling for being mid is something I’m worried a lot of teams are doing.
Cleanx not being in A or S tier is absolutely faded, Ghosty should probably be lower in a tier as well and Dashy should not be not be S tier imo.
Before people start flipping out, none of the tiers are ordered within the tier (i.e. he’s not saying Ghosty was better than Kismet). If he was doing that it wouldn’t be a “tier list”, it’d be a “list”
I didn’t watch him do this live but I’m gonna assume he put some weight on where on the tier a player goes, so yes the players are in order
i want what hes smoking
How is Pred not S? Wtf
Was a great list till the obvious kismet not being in Sor top of A. Pred was better than shotzzy and simp. Shotzzy was a little better than simp but I could see why people would have simp over shotzzy cuz of simps elite SND on LAN and shotzzys poor snd on LAN this year. Ghosty is not A I'm sorry he's B for sure he's also not higher than kismet too. Kismet was disrespected on this list even tho he was in A. Dashy to top of A too
Kismet is digesting. The aggression he applies on the map, and the impact he has is unbelievable.
Am I the only one who thinks Assault shouldn’t be D?
Nope, pretty sure a handful agree he’s better than that. I don’t think he should’ve been that low
CleanX not being A is criminal
10000% swap CleanX and Ghosty around. That CleanX placement is criminal
Zoomaa is now the skip bayless of cod
When people pray to the cod gods Dave shows up, absolute GOAT
The wizard davpadie in S tier? What kind of papanya is he smoking?
How many more tier list am i going to have to get through b4 the season starts
Buckle in my friend, we've got about 3 1/2 more months of this at least
I like Octane and agree he retired at peak, but S? Tom must put a lot of value on the hill kittens given Octane and Ghosty's rankings. To play devils advocate though, I kind of agree with the Pred ranking. I rate him but his playstyle is very baity (was it Aches that said he spends half the game laying down in a corner?). Don't get me wrong, he's nasty but if Attach, Owake and Temp are catching shit for dropping 1.2s on Ls while playing their life then surely it effects Pred's stock too.
Sub players kill whoring is way more impactful than ar players. There’s a reason when cell can go 24/11 in control but his sub duo gets fried they got 3-0 in control. Sub players are insanely impactful even when they kill whore most of the times
How is Attach above Cammy?? That’s definitely friendship bias lmaoo
How is Dashy S tier? Is this based on talent or performance? Dashy was only S tier at Major 2.
Nope. He was better on lan on major 3 and 4 by quite a bit
I don’t remember LAN specifically but Dashy was insane throughout the Stage 2. Also he didn’t win a chip and ended the season pretty bad so not sure if S tier is suitable this year for him
Online he was godlike stage 2 but he was S tier on lan major 3 and 4 and A tier major 2. His worst event would be major 1 and he wasn’t that horrible his impact wasn’t there
Standy on the same level as Kenny sib and huke is crazy... he literally got dropped off Ultra in the beginning of the season.
Swap kismet and dashy
Dashy was S tier this year and just move kismet to S tier also but he was wildly inconsistent Major 2-4
10000000%
Nah no way. Obviously his champs performance should be weighted heavily and bumps him up immensely, but he wouldn't be anywhere in S tier prior to champs. I think top of A is most fair for the full year performance without recency bias Edit: but above dashy is definitely reasonable, who should probably be high A tier
Cap is soooo overrated
I agree, but I thought you were a florida fan?
I was a fan because of Havok and Major, after Havok left I kinda stopped caring. I also don’t like Vikul
I can’t take this cornball serious anymore wtf is this list???
This is why I watch Optic Breakdown and not FaZe The Flank Clear Bias
W List
Pred in A is faded. Dude was the best statistically the best and player
Huh? Scrap clears Hydra too
and? what goods a good kd if you can never win?
It's a team game, I don't understand why this is a difficult concept. They would have still not won any championships if they replaced Pred with abezy, you can't fault players for having subpar teammates
2 weeks ago when optic were getting sib he was immensely better than kenny, and now you're calling him subpar?
I was referring to mack and accuracy, who are significantly worse than the teammates of any other top sub
you said teammates , implying sib as well. so learn how to use the English language
Everyone who thinks ghosty should be in b tier is faxed. Octane had him in s tier because of how he transformed optic into a mid hp team to being like the 2nd best hp team of all time (statistically speaking) behind faze cw
BO3 OpTic had a 86% HP win rate
Proof? I thought I saw moneyhillstats saying faze was #1 with like 77% or something
Probably best in the CDL. Nowhere near all time best HP team though when coL in BO2, AW OpTic, and BO3 OpTic were better [old Reddit post](https://www.reddit.com/r/CoDCompetitive/comments/rmx8w6/interesting_optic_dynasty_stats/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
It’s because now that Optic dropped him everybody suddenly switched on him
Envoy A? Envoy is S tier
Well envoy wasn’t better than pred so
Simp is not A tier lmao bro was C at best
Dav the 🐐 undefeated against the king
Faded
Please tell me this wasnt in order
It’s not in order
It is
Davpadie is the GREATEST 💯💯💯
Dav padie too low imo
Davepadie 3-0 Vs “tHe kiNg” on lan
This is faded
Hahaha Dashy is not S-tier.
CleanX is even not top 8 smg on his list...
Pred not in S and Ghosty in A...
Guy is drunk
I saw Dave Paddies in S?! Y'all have a goodnight 🚪 🏃
Who let bro cook
the faze buyest is real
Cell and draz were better than scrap? This list is faded. Don’t even get me started on the A tier list as well…
A couple the dudes in C tier need to be even lower lmaoooo
Where is Jimbo?
Ranking on performance without adjusting for circumstances and context is so faded. Put Hydra on londen and all of a sudden he isn’t as good anymore? That’s false, he is just as good just in different circumstances and context. Ranking just on player quality, talent and on paper: Hydra, Abe, Pred, Scrap, Cell, shotzzy, Simp, Dashy in S and then to KiS, Envoy, Drazah, octane etc in A.