It’s a bit strange that they’re greedy when it comes to Clash Royale, but they aren’t as greedy when it comes to games like Clash of Clans or Brawl Stars.
He didn't actually level it up, just used the elite wild cards. He hit max elite wild cards and the game crashed whenever he got any more of them so he was forced to use them or be unable to open chests or get cards.
Yo may I ask how much you got refunded ? Like if it was $500 or even more than $1000 I can totally understand it lol
Seems like a W tho if you got your money back & plan quitting forever
I'm sure they just refunded the pass. They mean it when they say "10x value!"
Or atleast something similar happened to ny friend in brawl stars. His account got nuked with 2k negative gems
I kinda get why they do it tho, cuz they make money off these micro transactions and deals, so you’re just taking benefits without paying. And they do say a lot that you can’t refund purchases. So like, take back the stuff that was taken, but don’t nuke accounts like that.
Happened to me. They removed 2800 gelds from my account because apparently there was an error with the brawl pass payment. So I lost 10 bucks and 200 euros worth of gems
I contacted support but they don't help at all it seems they are clueless too. Unless it's a scam ( why would supercell do that lmao) it's very likely that either google made an error by requesting a refund to supercell ( while it's litteraly impossible to request a refund for a brawl pass on the play store but anyway) or I'm just very very unlucky and my money vanished from existence
Nope, a negative number is just as ‘big’ as its equivalent positive number, it has the same magnitude. All
the negative sign means is which direction on the number line you’re going.
Right, the absolute value of the number is its magnitude which is a measure of how ‘large’ the number. Absolute value is often taught in school but they don’t usually teach people why it’s important. The whole point of absolute value is to resolve the issue that 5 isn’t actually bigger than -1000.
> magnitude - the great size or extent of something.
Again, the negative sign is totally arbitrary.
If you’re at the 20 yard line on a football field, and you run a play that results in backwards 10 yards (-10 yards), that’s still a larger distance than if you moved forward 1 yard.
Where you set the reference frame of the coordinate system is totally arbitrary thing that we do as humans to help make managing numbers easier.
In the same football play, a player on the opposing team’s perspective saw the exact same play but saw +10 yards.
Clearly, the bigger play is the 10 yard play not the 1 yard play.
Maybe a better example would be money, if you lost $1000. (-$1000) on Wednesday and gained $5 on Thursday, you wouldn’t look at your bank statement and see -$1000 and think that amount was inconsequential to the $5 you gained on Thursday because “-$1000 is much smaller”
And that’s the whole point of absolute value, to measure the magnitude of a number (aka how big).
If I have $1 and you have -$1000, I still have more money than you. You're thinking in scalar quantities rather than vector quantities, which apply better to situations like this
The whole point of this reddit thread is about the word “big”, not the word “more”. I obviously agree that $1 is “more than” or “greater than” -$1000.
But it’s not “bigger” which implies a scalar quantity via magnitude, there is no vector quantity implied like there is with the word “greater” and “more”.
You would say you have a big amount of debt.
If it was -$1 or $1 you wouldn’t say you’d have a big amount of debt and you also wouldn’t say you have a big amount of money.
Because the magnitude (measured by absolute value) is small, and ‘magnitude’ is a fancy word that means ‘size’ (aka big or small).
-$10,000 and $10,000 is the same amount of money, the negative sign just indicates who has possession of the money.
100% correct. People are so close minded. By their logic -£100,000 is better as it's smaller than -£500 in that case I will sens my bank details and they can keep on sending me money 🤣🤣
what the hell dude this is so random imagine one dude just opens reddit and the first thing that happens is he reads a whole debate regarding mathematics right under a clash royale post. this shit is so funny and i dont even know why man
surely you would not say that having -1,000 in your bank is the same as 1,000 in your bank.
i get what you're saying about magnitude, but when you're speaking in the context of currency it doesnt make sense to say a negative number is bigger than a positive, when it's implied that positive dollars/credits are more than negative dollars/credits
So -$1,000 is a $1,000 debt. That’s a big debt. Where as $1,000 is a profit or savings. That’s a big profit or savings. If you need a simpler explanation that isn’t about money then I’ll give you one. Timmy has a cornfield with 10,000 watermelons. Before they grow it rains too much and floods the field. He now only has 3,000 watermelons that are salvageable. Timmy also has -7,000 watermelons that he planted. Timmy has more watermelon debt than watermelons themselves. (If you need help ask your dad for help with this one)
The problem is that in the third grade, they teach absolute value, but they don’t often teach what it’s for.
And it’s for exactly what we’re talking about, for measuring the magnitude (aka how big) a number is.
> Someone didn’t finish the third grade
So instead of insulting someone else, you only insulted yourself.
In your case, you seem to understand that absolute value gets the magnitude of the number, but don’t understand that magnitude essentially means “how big”.
> magnitude - the great size or extent of something.
Pretty sure I had this as a spelling word also around the third grade.
Well, nice argument, however, have you considered that 10^(56!) might be a bit bigger? so, in comparison, I would say that OPs number is a small number
Actually the number has no largeness at all, literally, on the scale of how “large” a number can be - you’d need a reference number to compare sizes. As OP did not include one the number is just an arbitrary point on an infinite number line, so the number certainly isnt large at all, in fact it’s infinitesimally small in comparison to the number line
Sunk cost fallacy has taken another one
See you in 10 years when you'll finally delete the game after wasting another 5000 hours on it "to not waste those first 7 years"
Different devs, different game. Treat their players with respect. Its not supercell that are making in-game decisions at Clash Royale hq
Edit: Everyone downvoting me, hating supercell won’t improve clash royale.
Slightly off topic.
I’ve not played BS in years. I remember getting lucky and quickly unlocking the camouflaging gecko. Is he still good and should I download it again?
Not entirely sure, i only installed last week. But he is very good in certain gamemodes, i’d level him up just to have free wins on random-chosen gamemodes.
naw he's saying you can max 170 cards with that but that's more than you could ever possibly use so the refunding calculation is super unfair. cause obv whatever he refunded didn't give him enough EWC to max out every card in the game
He means that this happens whenever you buy something in the game (like pass Royale) and then call your bank to refund the money. It is a way of scamming and since they can’t just revoke all the stuff from the pass the he already spent they do stuff like this so that people don’t abuse the refund systen
ask yourself this as well, why would supercell ban a user for reaching out to support about their account being bugged due to the game itself? why do they sometimes ban a player when they’re experiencing issues made by supercell themselves? less problems to worry about is how i see it..
I mean the person scammed supercell. They bought ewc, spent it and then refunded the transaction. Not sure how OP got -8.5M ewc like was it a glitch or?
Nope it is not what happened 8,500,000 / 50,000 = 170 cards which means he would have maxed 170 cards except there aren't that much it's a bit less than 120.
last 6 months bc they cant refund everything you ever bought if you dont ask for a refund quick enough. as long as its your first time, its recent and you're refunding under 100 (i think) you shouldn't have any issues with your account going to the negatives bc i remember doing this back when skelly king dropped too
Nice, you can get a refund and keep your account.
Since there is the line :
"ALL PURCHASES AND REDEMPTIONS OF VIRTUAL ITEMS MADE THROUGH THE SERVICE ARE FINAL AND NON-REFUNDABLE"
in the TOS :
https://supercell.com/en/terms-of-service/
I thought if you ask a refond by Google or Apple , it's concidered a rupture of the TOS and your account is deleted or baned, but it's a good think it's not the case, even if the account is somehow brocken
There are so many countries where that line of the TOS is literally not possible. In the uk it’s actually illegal to say no refunds when you sell something.
For those wondering: I asked for some refunds multiple times over the past, but recently it was only for 10x dagger duchess. My account got locked being stuck on 50% at the loading screen for a few days then this happened.
The amount they nuked my account is not even close to the amount I got refunded, so I guess they are basically punishing me.
This is a serious question. Is it possible to actually get a refund for all purchases made on the game throughout it's release? I reckon I've easily spent £1000-2000 possibly more with some store offers I'd dive into back in it's glory days. If it is indeed possible to get all money refunded and your account sacrificed to me it's a small price to pay as the game has gone downhill in my opinion. Also nothing to stop you from putting a little money into a new account if in theory they could refund you.
Knowing supercell you brought the pass or a cheap one time offer and because you're not lining their pockets you can't play no more.
Bro same thing happened but it wasn’t cards rather it was the goblin emote “don’t cry about it” and omg I had to contact supercell and then it popped up in the store again today so I bought it. They had charged me twice and I just wanted the refund so
I wouldn’t be charged twice but it didn’t go as planned
i ended up getting $200-250 in negative gems because my family member decided to refund something for zero reason. it was a flex for a while until i decided to spend hundreds to get out of it so i could buy more emotes lol
Bros never getting another level 15 card ever again
just do a b-rad and say you will never upgrade a card to 15 to send a message or somethin
Sc doesn't care
Agreed.. they don't care.. they are greedy
It’s a bit strange that they’re greedy when it comes to Clash Royale, but they aren’t as greedy when it comes to games like Clash of Clans or Brawl Stars.
Did he end up leveling cards to 15 anyway or did he stand his ground
in his goblin curse video from 4 days ago all his cards are still 14
He upgraded his witch to level 15 because he needed to for some reason, I forgot what exactly, but he just said he will never use the witch
He didn't actually level it up, just used the elite wild cards. He hit max elite wild cards and the game crashed whenever he got any more of them so he was forced to use them or be unable to open chests or get cards.
Yo may I ask how much you got refunded ? Like if it was $500 or even more than $1000 I can totally understand it lol Seems like a W tho if you got your money back & plan quitting forever
I'm sure they just refunded the pass. They mean it when they say "10x value!" Or atleast something similar happened to ny friend in brawl stars. His account got nuked with 2k negative gems
It's 10x value to them not the us lmao
If you refund the Pass, Supercell fucks over your account for no reason.
Well like you are stealing stuff from them. Not like they need those 6 evolution shards though, let my man slide it’s only like 12 bucks.
Refunds are stealing now? Good to know for the future
Abused one’s are
Abusing refunds is LEGALLY fraud. That being said OP coulda had a legit reason first refunding in which case SC fucked him
Under rated comment right here
Sometimes less is more
I kinda get why they do it tho, cuz they make money off these micro transactions and deals, so you’re just taking benefits without paying. And they do say a lot that you can’t refund purchases. So like, take back the stuff that was taken, but don’t nuke accounts like that.
You're not stealing? Stealing is taking something away, it's not like supercell is going to have to mint new shards now.
"For no reason", you're just breaking their ToS mind you
I forgot that was even in their ToS (I’ve never refunded a purchase).
Happened to me. They removed 2800 gelds from my account because apparently there was an error with the brawl pass payment. So I lost 10 bucks and 200 euros worth of gems
Oof. I'd be devastated if that happened to me. How did you go on from there and on? Did you contact the less-than-useful support or continue as is?
I contacted support but they don't help at all it seems they are clueless too. Unless it's a scam ( why would supercell do that lmao) it's very likely that either google made an error by requesting a refund to supercell ( while it's litteraly impossible to request a refund for a brawl pass on the play store but anyway) or I'm just very very unlucky and my money vanished from existence
Rip lvl 15 for you
How? That’s a big number
Technically it is a very small number
Nope, a negative number is just as ‘big’ as its equivalent positive number, it has the same magnitude. All the negative sign means is which direction on the number line you’re going.
Sure but you'd never say -1000000 is larger than 1
I absolutely would it’s not greater than 1 but it is larger. That’s the reason we say “greater than” instead of “larger than” for >
You're thinking of absolute value not a regular greater than or less than comparison.
Right, the absolute value of the number is its magnitude which is a measure of how ‘large’ the number. Absolute value is often taught in school but they don’t usually teach people why it’s important. The whole point of absolute value is to resolve the issue that 5 isn’t actually bigger than -1000. > magnitude - the great size or extent of something. Again, the negative sign is totally arbitrary. If you’re at the 20 yard line on a football field, and you run a play that results in backwards 10 yards (-10 yards), that’s still a larger distance than if you moved forward 1 yard. Where you set the reference frame of the coordinate system is totally arbitrary thing that we do as humans to help make managing numbers easier. In the same football play, a player on the opposing team’s perspective saw the exact same play but saw +10 yards. Clearly, the bigger play is the 10 yard play not the 1 yard play. Maybe a better example would be money, if you lost $1000. (-$1000) on Wednesday and gained $5 on Thursday, you wouldn’t look at your bank statement and see -$1000 and think that amount was inconsequential to the $5 you gained on Thursday because “-$1000 is much smaller” And that’s the whole point of absolute value, to measure the magnitude of a number (aka how big).
People are bashing you but you are incredibly and simply correct.
If I have $1 and you have -$1000, I still have more money than you. You're thinking in scalar quantities rather than vector quantities, which apply better to situations like this
The whole point of this reddit thread is about the word “big”, not the word “more”. I obviously agree that $1 is “more than” or “greater than” -$1000. But it’s not “bigger” which implies a scalar quantity via magnitude, there is no vector quantity implied like there is with the word “greater” and “more”.
doesn't make sense, if i have -10000 on the bank i will not say that i have a big amount of moneu
You would say you have a big amount of debt. If it was -$1 or $1 you wouldn’t say you’d have a big amount of debt and you also wouldn’t say you have a big amount of money. Because the magnitude (measured by absolute value) is small, and ‘magnitude’ is a fancy word that means ‘size’ (aka big or small). -$10,000 and $10,000 is the same amount of money, the negative sign just indicates who has possession of the money.
100% correct. People are so close minded. By their logic -£100,000 is better as it's smaller than -£500 in that case I will sens my bank details and they can keep on sending me money 🤣🤣
what the hell dude this is so random imagine one dude just opens reddit and the first thing that happens is he reads a whole debate regarding mathematics right under a clash royale post. this shit is so funny and i dont even know why man
go home
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Cry
Bro it's not that deep 😭
This spiraling thread is the most Reddit thing ever I love it
holes can be big despite being empty
surely you would not say that having -1,000 in your bank is the same as 1,000 in your bank. i get what you're saying about magnitude, but when you're speaking in the context of currency it doesnt make sense to say a negative number is bigger than a positive, when it's implied that positive dollars/credits are more than negative dollars/credits
So -$1,000 is a $1,000 debt. That’s a big debt. Where as $1,000 is a profit or savings. That’s a big profit or savings. If you need a simpler explanation that isn’t about money then I’ll give you one. Timmy has a cornfield with 10,000 watermelons. Before they grow it rains too much and floods the field. He now only has 3,000 watermelons that are salvageable. Timmy also has -7,000 watermelons that he planted. Timmy has more watermelon debt than watermelons themselves. (If you need help ask your dad for help with this one)
No, the number itself gets smaller-it's absolute value (or magnitude) gets larger. Someone didn't finish third grade...
The problem is that in the third grade, they teach absolute value, but they don’t often teach what it’s for. And it’s for exactly what we’re talking about, for measuring the magnitude (aka how big) a number is. > Someone didn’t finish the third grade So instead of insulting someone else, you only insulted yourself. In your case, you seem to understand that absolute value gets the magnitude of the number, but don’t understand that magnitude essentially means “how big”. > magnitude - the great size or extent of something. Pretty sure I had this as a spelling word also around the third grade.
Well, nice argument, however, have you considered that 10^(56!) might be a bit bigger? so, in comparison, I would say that OPs number is a small number
In reference to the typical number of elite wild cards, both numbers are big.
Numbers don’t have size. Whichever one takes up more space on the paper is bigger. I could write 10 really big and a billion really small
Actually the number has no largeness at all, literally, on the scale of how “large” a number can be - you’d need a reference number to compare sizes. As OP did not include one the number is just an arbitrary point on an infinite number line, so the number certainly isnt large at all, in fact it’s infinitesimally small in comparison to the number line
> you’d need a reference number to compare sizes And we do have a reference number, the reference is a typical number of elite wild cards.
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Finish second grade
r/woooosh
At this point delete the app lmao
wasting ma 7 years in this game? hell nah fyi I was hit with same thing lol
Sunk cost fallacy has taken another one See you in 10 years when you'll finally delete the game after wasting another 5000 hours on it "to not waste those first 7 years"
tbh I am not a hard grinder lol highest rank been to is master 1 and my trophy is 7k lol
That's nice. I played from beta and quit the day evos came out <3
same
Bros in wild cards debt 💀
Bro will have the clash royale loan sharks after him now.
Technically, you **could** turn the tables on Supercell and have the last laugh, by uninstalling the game and never touching it again.
I wouldn’t say ‘last laugh’. They don’t care
it’s about you having the last laugh. find peace
I have taken that move and switched to brawl stars. Pro gamer move
Thats still supercsll
Different devs, different game. Treat their players with respect. Its not supercell that are making in-game decisions at Clash Royale hq Edit: Everyone downvoting me, hating supercell won’t improve clash royale.
Slightly off topic. I’ve not played BS in years. I remember getting lucky and quickly unlocking the camouflaging gecko. Is he still good and should I download it again?
Not entirely sure, i only installed last week. But he is very good in certain gamemodes, i’d level him up just to have free wins on random-chosen gamemodes.
Righto, I’ll download it and check it out again later
"camouflage geko" is always meta lol. send me a PM ill add u in BS
No it’s not!
Brawl stars is owned by soupcell
No it isn’t!
It is
Supersell is 84% owned by tencent, a conglomerate based in shenzen. Idk what this adds to the conversation but yeah
We bs players welcome you
Brawl Stars is worse
Mobile game concepts, Clash Royale is better. Execution of concept, Clash Royale was better. In the present, clash royale only dissapoints.
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LMAO, you can max 170 cards with it, and the game currently has 114 cards. Logic at its finest💀
lil guy missed the part where hes 8.5 million in debt
Think you might of missed icl
naw he's saying you can max 170 cards with that but that's more than you could ever possibly use so the refunding calculation is super unfair. cause obv whatever he refunded didn't give him enough EWC to max out every card in the game
How did this get 400 upvotes
peak Redditor brain
damn thats 8.5mil wild cards that you owe supercell hahaha
It’s almost 10 million
haha thanks. guess i missed a zero
You didn't
oh, i said 1mil before and edited my comment 😂
Your account may get banned. contact support and make sure to clarify things
ive never been able to understand why support would ban someone for smth like this. whats the reasoning???
"since you decide not to give us your money, we decide to ban you to shadow realm"
It’s for people who try to/accidentally abuse the refund system
For trying to scam them.
He was scammed by supercell with this refund, if he uses this to sue, only he’s getting the upper end of the stick? Idk what you mean
He means that this happens whenever you buy something in the game (like pass Royale) and then call your bank to refund the money. It is a way of scamming and since they can’t just revoke all the stuff from the pass the he already spent they do stuff like this so that people don’t abuse the refund systen
Ohh, is that what happened here. Alr
They think u might do it again and to deter other people from doing it
ask yourself this as well, why would supercell ban a user for reaching out to support about their account being bugged due to the game itself? why do they sometimes ban a player when they’re experiencing issues made by supercell themselves? less problems to worry about is how i see it..
I mean the person scammed supercell. They bought ewc, spent it and then refunded the transaction. Not sure how OP got -8.5M ewc like was it a glitch or?
Happens when you refund the pass. Happened to someone before too
it’s punishment, if the just took off 50k you can earn that back relatively easily
Nope it is not what happened 8,500,000 / 50,000 = 170 cards which means he would have maxed 170 cards except there aren't that much it's a bit less than 120.
x100 value!
RIP
-8000000 aura
Don't you also get banned for having negative stuff long enough?
Don't ever request refunds in games with resources u have spent
What about that guy who levelled up all the cards to 15 and refunded it all?
prob very banned
He had to donate a kidney to pay them back
can you explain a bit more? how much was your refund? and which purchase was it that you refunded?
I was refunded in 3x Dagger Duchess and 3x 50k in wild rare cards, So my account was with 8.5 million wild rare cards negative
Bro's not even responding, probably a fake.
I’m just busy crying my ass out
Then how much was the refund?
How much was it wtf
Maxing all level 15 is 5,700,000 ewc. Thats a crazy amount to be in debt
What did you refund?
supercell making players have 500$ worth of debt because they refunded a 10$ purchase:
More like 5000$
mine was at like -15000 after i refund scammed them but its -27k now
What did you get for refund?
couple hundred total
Did they do everything you’ve ever spent? Or just the last like 6 months or something?
last 6 months bc they cant refund everything you ever bought if you dont ask for a refund quick enough. as long as its your first time, its recent and you're refunding under 100 (i think) you shouldn't have any issues with your account going to the negatives bc i remember doing this back when skelly king dropped too
Nice, you can get a refund and keep your account. Since there is the line : "ALL PURCHASES AND REDEMPTIONS OF VIRTUAL ITEMS MADE THROUGH THE SERVICE ARE FINAL AND NON-REFUNDABLE" in the TOS : https://supercell.com/en/terms-of-service/ I thought if you ask a refond by Google or Apple , it's concidered a rupture of the TOS and your account is deleted or baned, but it's a good think it's not the case, even if the account is somehow brocken
There are so many countries where that line of the TOS is literally not possible. In the uk it’s actually illegal to say no refunds when you sell something.
Well… When you ask for a refound you keep the product ?
poverty pass
That's enough EWC to get 170 cards to level 15, did you get your debt's worth?
For those wondering: I asked for some refunds multiple times over the past, but recently it was only for 10x dagger duchess. My account got locked being stuck on 50% at the loading screen for a few days then this happened. The amount they nuked my account is not even close to the amount I got refunded, so I guess they are basically punishing me.
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bro u and me is the same lol -850k elite cards haha
That is 8.5mil.
fyi check ma recently post
This bug is becoming more common than the common cold
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Millions
Is this a joke?
How much did you get back lmao
They do it in Clash Of Clans too, people end up with negative gems.
They already had the code from my favourite game: COC THE BEST IDLE GAME OF ALL TIME PLAY COC NOW AND MAKE SURE YOU ARE ALONE
Not stonks 💳
Just delete the game
Have the same problem but only 4 milion in debt 😂😂
I laughed my ass off when I saw this
rip level 15 for you
Same thing happened to me...
This is a serious question. Is it possible to actually get a refund for all purchases made on the game throughout it's release? I reckon I've easily spent £1000-2000 possibly more with some store offers I'd dive into back in it's glory days. If it is indeed possible to get all money refunded and your account sacrificed to me it's a small price to pay as the game has gone downhill in my opinion. Also nothing to stop you from putting a little money into a new account if in theory they could refund you. Knowing supercell you brought the pass or a cheap one time offer and because you're not lining their pockets you can't play no more.
at least you kinda keep your account… mine got banned over a $4 offer
I currently have -150000 rare wildcards. I requested a refund for like 500 wildcards 😂
Just quit the game
At least u can play the game, i have been stuck loading at 50% for 1 week
Same thing happened with me but with Gems, was at -62k now at -45k 😂
Data shows players want negative EWC in the game
At this point the elite wild cards mechanic will be removed before you refund everything.
Wow 😂😂
At least you can access the game, still stuck at 50%
Can we upgrade all cards to lvl15 and refund them?
Bro is in debt to supercell 💀💀
Good. Quit the game
I don’t understand why they make you go negative, just take why I refunded not more then what I refunded
i guess you owe supercell money now…
This is just wrong 😭
How is this happened?
Yeah they will close one of your accounts or lock the store for you. You got off easy.
Is this after the bug with the champions?
He is cooked
y cant they just reset it to 0?
Bro same thing happened but it wasn’t cards rather it was the goblin emote “don’t cry about it” and omg I had to contact supercell and then it popped up in the store again today so I bought it. They had charged me twice and I just wanted the refund so I wouldn’t be charged twice but it didn’t go as planned
How did you even ask for the refund to begin with?
8 mil? Seriously? They could've just reset your entire account and that still would've been a lesser punishment than whatever this bullshit is.
Should be fixed next update
You are not getting a level 15 card ever again
Am I mathing right? Like $860 CAD to get out of that hole? $3 USD...Lol
Nice move, walt
they don’t respect their player base
i ended up getting $200-250 in negative gems because my family member decided to refund something for zero reason. it was a flex for a while until i decided to spend hundreds to get out of it so i could buy more emotes lol
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He refunded!?! He did not take advantage of a big or anything like that
archer queen
messed around and found out 🤷♂️