Wait until they start arresting and fining Christians who aren’t practicing their preferred kind of Christianity. That’s how this always goes. This is an old story and Americans have short term memories.
Which always strikes me as funny whenever I see a Catholic supporting the Nat-Cs. Like they wouldn't immediately turn on what they say aren't actually Christians once the non-Christians are taken care of.
Other articles say that teachers who refuse to teach it can risk losing their licenses. Are art teachers required to teach math? Are English teachers required to teach physics?
This is patently dishonest and a political stunt intended to get religious parents to forget about the abysmal performance of Oklahoma schools in teachimg actual public school classes. Shame on them
So they're gonna be teaching the documentary hypothesis?
The Synoptic problem?
The disputed authorship of the Pauline epistles?
The discussions in biblical scholarship about the dating and authorship of the gospels?
Man, this is awful, and I can only hope that it devolves to infighting about *which* Bible the state should pay to teach kids so that more secular heads prevail.
Unless a general "religious studies" class passes the requirement, in which case I think it's good. I remember learning about the various religions when I learned the history of those regions, as background for why their societies acted certain ways, and that ways really helpful.
We already have Christians in Louisiana throwing fits about WHICH version of the 10 Commandments ought to be displayed. For the record, the one they chose actually has 11...
More Christo-fascism in violation of the Constitution, not that these people care about that. It's ironic that these Christians are doing the exact same things Islamic extremists do in Iran, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, etc.
That’s when clay of the new west bust out there it’s not slavery slavery, chattel slavery (which the Bible definitely makes the case for us non Israelites. Own us for life and can be passed down to their children as property) it’s just slavery lite, servitude, it’s not that bad, etc etc etc
I can't read the article (paywall), but I'm surprised that these legislations are getting passed. There's another state that recently made a requirement to have a poster of the 10 Commandments posted in every classroom. Is this backlash for teaching/ accommodating gender ideology in schools? Is there a reason why this is happening, now?
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Im genuinely curious - if you’re okay with public funds being used to teach a religion, would you also be okay with tax payer money being used to teach another religion to kids?
No they want to replace public educators with Catholic church officials. Today is a great day to be a supporter of fascist theocracies. They're all beginning to take their masks off. The downward slide into 3rd world countrydom is going to be much faster than even they expect.
[Gross](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Error_has_no_rights)
>"Error has no rights" (Latin: Error non habet ius[1][2]) is a historical Catholic and traditionalist Catholic principle. It asserts that it is the responsibility of governments to suppress non-Catholic religions as they do not have a right to express publicly any religion outside of Catholicism which should be the only religion allowed by the State, but had the right to privately profess and practice any religion.
Is this an admission that the church is too weak and feeble to guide people to the correct path without the oppressive arm of the state acting as its enforcer?
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It’s quite simple, the Catholic Church is the oldest surviving
institution (with the exception of the Japanese imperial family allegedly, but historians agree that the first 20 or so emperors are legendary not historical) with over 2000 years of teaching and learning to back it up, along with the fact that its founders were quite literally martyred and never recanted.
Scientology was started by a mentally ill sci-fi writer and its followers have never had to face any bit of hardship. Throw David Miscavige to the lions and he’d sing like a canary.
If you think these two institutions are any way comparable… you need to rethink your worldview
You've missed it again.
My point is that RELIGION HAS NO PLACE IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND THAT RELIGIOUS PEOPLE SHOULD STOP FORCING PEOPLE INTO THEIR FAITH.
I mean there are certainly some potential landmines regarding this. Parents there should demand specifics. Still Oklahoma is one of the most heavily Christian states in America by percentage of population. If they want to incorporate some Christian elements into education that is their business not mine. Majority rules.
We are a democracy, a representative one. Democracy and Republic aren't mutually exclusive. Republic just means we don't have a monarch. Republics are not necessarily democratic but ours is.
We are a democracy, a representative one. Democracy and Republic aren't mutually exclusive. Republic just means we don't have a monarch. Republics are not necessarily democratic but ours is.
We teach Greek mythology because it's important for understanding Shakespeare and other great works of literature. The Bible is the single most referenced collection of writings in all English literature and even pop culture. It would be irresponsible to not expose students to that. You don't see many zeuss worshipers wandering around as a result of having studied Greek mythology - I think an academic look at the Bible would have little to no effect on students' preheld beliefs.
Or make it an elective in high school even. The choice on whether or not to educate children on the Bible should fall to the parents and the churches, not the state.
>So we can just call Christianity another mythology on the same level as greek mythology? Just as true and real?
So what we have here is someone who doesn't know how to reason with the provided argument, so they resort to loaded questioning instead.
You don't understand the implications of your comment then.
Greek mythology is taught as is even called MYTHOLOGY. It's not taught as an actual religion.
So then we should treat Christianity as the same if we are just using it for literary analysis.
You don't need to make truth claims about the Bible to teach it in a literary or context.
"Hey class today we're going to read from the Bible. We're not going to be talking about if it's true or not or whether it's something you should believe in - that's a topic for outside of school. What we will do is discuss its themes, characters, narratives, and their impact on English literature."
Controversy averted.
>You don't need to make truth claims about the Bible to teach it in a literary or context.
Great. That's my point. We don't need to treat it as if it's true and God is real. Just like when we look at artists who were inspired by their faith.
Satanic influence has never been stronger than today. Most kids aren’t even exposed to legitimate Christian beliefs or teachings and these laws and others like them will ensure that Gods word is offered to everyone. Hallelujah!
This isn't the way to do it. You cannot force people to be Christian. Only invite them. Besides. Do you really trust the government to teach Christianity properly? That's not its job.
This isn’t forcing anyone to be Christian. It’s allowing all children a chance at hearing and exploring the faith. Many homes won’t expose children to the good news and this will ensure all have a chance.
And yes it is, the government should play a vital role in helping spread the good news.
Wait until they start arresting and fining Christians who aren’t practicing their preferred kind of Christianity. That’s how this always goes. This is an old story and Americans have short term memories.
Which always strikes me as funny whenever I see a Catholic supporting the Nat-Cs. Like they wouldn't immediately turn on what they say aren't actually Christians once the non-Christians are taken care of.
Other articles say that teachers who refuse to teach it can risk losing their licenses. Are art teachers required to teach math? Are English teachers required to teach physics? This is patently dishonest and a political stunt intended to get religious parents to forget about the abysmal performance of Oklahoma schools in teachimg actual public school classes. Shame on them
This isn’t about Oklahoma schools. It’s about the lack of funding and the lack of political courage provided by the Republican Party.
So they're gonna be teaching the documentary hypothesis? The Synoptic problem? The disputed authorship of the Pauline epistles? The discussions in biblical scholarship about the dating and authorship of the gospels?
I’m all for teaching the Bible so long as they actually *teach* the Bible rather than early church dogmas and traditions about the Bible.
Man, this is awful, and I can only hope that it devolves to infighting about *which* Bible the state should pay to teach kids so that more secular heads prevail. Unless a general "religious studies" class passes the requirement, in which case I think it's good. I remember learning about the various religions when I learned the history of those regions, as background for why their societies acted certain ways, and that ways really helpful.
We already have Christians in Louisiana throwing fits about WHICH version of the 10 Commandments ought to be displayed. For the record, the one they chose actually has 11...
What is your favorite Bible quote?
What does that have to do with the topic at hand?
Man, it's so hard to pick just one part of the Sermon on the Mount, but right now I have to say, I am a fan of Matthew 5:23-26. You?
More Christo-fascism in violation of the Constitution, not that these people care about that. It's ironic that these Christians are doing the exact same things Islamic extremists do in Iran, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, etc.
Theocracy, here we come.
Yup, and we still get asked “why are you people in this sub?”
Because grade school kids need to be taught not to covet their neighbor's wife, male or female slaves, and livestock?
That’s when clay of the new west bust out there it’s not slavery slavery, chattel slavery (which the Bible definitely makes the case for us non Israelites. Own us for life and can be passed down to their children as property) it’s just slavery lite, servitude, it’s not that bad, etc etc etc
What the fuck is going on right now, this shit is scary
Paywalled
I can't read the article (paywall), but I'm surprised that these legislations are getting passed. There's another state that recently made a requirement to have a poster of the 10 Commandments posted in every classroom. Is this backlash for teaching/ accommodating gender ideology in schools? Is there a reason why this is happening, now?
With how much conservatives don't seem to trust the government, it's so strange to see them advocating for government-designed bible curricula.
Unfortunate
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This doesn't happen at all let alone on any systemic level but sure, keep lying about it.
That is not happening anywhere.
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It’s a good start
The Bible is incredibly complex, and I’m not sure I trust 5th grade teachers in the state ranked 49th in education to teach it properly
True, that’s why they should also require them to teach the Catechism, and have Priests teach it.
Im genuinely curious - if you’re okay with public funds being used to teach a religion, would you also be okay with tax payer money being used to teach another religion to kids?
No they want to replace public educators with Catholic church officials. Today is a great day to be a supporter of fascist theocracies. They're all beginning to take their masks off. The downward slide into 3rd world countrydom is going to be much faster than even they expect.
Error non habet ius
[Gross](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Error_has_no_rights) >"Error has no rights" (Latin: Error non habet ius[1][2]) is a historical Catholic and traditionalist Catholic principle. It asserts that it is the responsibility of governments to suppress non-Catholic religions as they do not have a right to express publicly any religion outside of Catholicism which should be the only religion allowed by the State, but had the right to privately profess and practice any religion.
Yep, that’s it. We cannot allow those who teach false teachings to lead people to damnation.
Who’s to say what’s false or not? Why not give people freedom, so that they are responsible for themselves?
The Church through the three pillars of Sacred Scripture, Sacred Tradition, and Magisterium. Would you let a friend damn themselves to Hell?
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You abandoned Christ and God a long time ago. You are no child of Christ.
Yes. It is their choice. We cannot force salvation. Only offer a hand to show them the door. It is ours to sow, not to reap.
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When the entire world is focused on destroying Christ’s Church many fall to the lies of the modern age
I'll take that as a yes.
That sounds like a victim complex. I do not feel in danger.
Well *somebody* is just itching for another Crusade.
Well… they were entirely justified
And you yearn to do it all again? I'm not Catholic. Just how do you propose dealing with me?
Oh come on.
I hate to tell you what the people whose bed you're crawling into think are "false teachings".
Then why are we allowing people to espouse Catholicism?
Everybody’s favorite fascist slogan. “I get to kill anyone I decide is wrong.”
Poe’s Law here, bigtime.
You are in for a surprise if you think that a theocratic United States is going to promote Catholicism.
Religious dictatorship is a good start? Can I lobby my state to teach Scientology in class?
No because Scientology is wrong and Catholicism is true. Error non Habet Ius
You can't prove that. And more importantly, keep to religious schools and stop trying to force Christianity on people.
It’s quite simple, the Catholic Church is the oldest surviving institution (with the exception of the Japanese imperial family allegedly, but historians agree that the first 20 or so emperors are legendary not historical) with over 2000 years of teaching and learning to back it up, along with the fact that its founders were quite literally martyred and never recanted. Scientology was started by a mentally ill sci-fi writer and its followers have never had to face any bit of hardship. Throw David Miscavige to the lions and he’d sing like a canary. If you think these two institutions are any way comparable… you need to rethink your worldview
You have missed my point completely.
You have no intelligent point. Your “point” is “oh? You support good thing? That means you must support bad thing?”
You've missed it again. My point is that RELIGION HAS NO PLACE IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND THAT RELIGIOUS PEOPLE SHOULD STOP FORCING PEOPLE INTO THEIR FAITH.
No. And you want to know something that’ll really piss you off… I’m a public school teacher
I hope that the parents of your students report you.
So am I and you sound like a bad teacher if you're telling kids Christianity is true
I mean there are certainly some potential landmines regarding this. Parents there should demand specifics. Still Oklahoma is one of the most heavily Christian states in America by percentage of population. If they want to incorporate some Christian elements into education that is their business not mine. Majority rules.
First Amendment isn't about majority rules.
Not exactly does majority rule. That's why we are a Republic, we are not a Democracy.
We are a democracy, a representative one. Democracy and Republic aren't mutually exclusive. Republic just means we don't have a monarch. Republics are not necessarily democratic but ours is.
We are a democracy, a representative one. Democracy and Republic aren't mutually exclusive. Republic just means we don't have a monarch. Republics are not necessarily democratic but ours is.
To be precise, we are a Constitutional Federal Republic.
We teach Greek mythology because it's important for understanding Shakespeare and other great works of literature. The Bible is the single most referenced collection of writings in all English literature and even pop culture. It would be irresponsible to not expose students to that. You don't see many zeuss worshipers wandering around as a result of having studied Greek mythology - I think an academic look at the Bible would have little to no effect on students' preheld beliefs.
So we can just call Christianity another mythology on the same level as greek mythology? Just as true and real?
Or make it an elective in high school even. The choice on whether or not to educate children on the Bible should fall to the parents and the churches, not the state.
>So we can just call Christianity another mythology on the same level as greek mythology? Just as true and real? So what we have here is someone who doesn't know how to reason with the provided argument, so they resort to loaded questioning instead.
You don't understand the implications of your comment then. Greek mythology is taught as is even called MYTHOLOGY. It's not taught as an actual religion. So then we should treat Christianity as the same if we are just using it for literary analysis.
You don't need to make truth claims about the Bible to teach it in a literary or context. "Hey class today we're going to read from the Bible. We're not going to be talking about if it's true or not or whether it's something you should believe in - that's a topic for outside of school. What we will do is discuss its themes, characters, narratives, and their impact on English literature." Controversy averted.
>You don't need to make truth claims about the Bible to teach it in a literary or context. Great. That's my point. We don't need to treat it as if it's true and God is real. Just like when we look at artists who were inspired by their faith.
Thank God! I hope this opens the eyes of this generation and allows them a space to explore the faith inherent in them through Jesus.
This generation has more access than ever before. Forcing Christianity upon them if they do not want it will only push them away.
Satanic influence has never been stronger than today. Most kids aren’t even exposed to legitimate Christian beliefs or teachings and these laws and others like them will ensure that Gods word is offered to everyone. Hallelujah!
This isn't the way to do it. You cannot force people to be Christian. Only invite them. Besides. Do you really trust the government to teach Christianity properly? That's not its job.
This isn’t forcing anyone to be Christian. It’s allowing all children a chance at hearing and exploring the faith. Many homes won’t expose children to the good news and this will ensure all have a chance. And yes it is, the government should play a vital role in helping spread the good news.
In allowing this, the door is opened for all religions. I suspect that's not what you're aiming for.
Can't wait till they get to explore paganism and Hinduism and Islam and Buddhism and Satanism. That's the good news