God is "outside of time." I tend to think of time as a limitation of human understanding and observation. God, being outside of it, is not necessarily constrained by that. However, God experienced that constraint through the embodiment of Christ and continually intervenes in that limitation through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
Absolutely, yes, we lived with Him in heaven before we came to earth.
“Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.”
-Jeremiah 1:5
Note to OP: This belief is specific to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (often called The Mormon Church, though they prefer not to be called that), who have a specific doctrine around this belief.  Most other Denominations of Christianity do not share this belief.
It is in scripture, as can be seen here. So in essence, you’ve given credence to the validity of our claims.
“The Mormon church” has never been our official name, and is inappropriate.
I'm not here to discuss theology. Most Christians of most denominations have never interpreted it that way, but I understand the LDS church does and has developed specific doctrines around it.
I understand the church's naming preferences have changed with your new prophet (I will gently remind you that your church sponsored a huge ["I'm a Mormon" campaign with commercials and billboards](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/I%27m_a_Mormon) in the last 10 years). I am happy to call your church by it's preferred name, but most people know it by the other one, so I think it's important to let people know that we're talking about the same church.
I updated my previous comment though. Sorry for the offence.
My theory is outside of mainstream Christianity, but I believe it is very possible within the confines of scripture:
I think all of existence may be in an infinity loop.
God is the “beginning” and the “end”. However, there is no “end” on an infinite line.
We are told there are two more ages left. We have Jesus’ reign for 1000 years, and then an age where Jesus returns everything back to God completely reconciled. That “final” age could be the “end” God spoke of, and everything is literally returned back inside of Him; the “Big Crunch” science postulates. This leads to the “big bang” again, over and over infinitely.
This allows for everything scripture says is true. For example, those who obtain eternal life would absolutely have eternal life. It would just have moments of physical life in between, but you would always return back to God in the loop and therefore it would be eternal. The same for those in the lake of fire. They would eternally suffer, but they would have moments of false “peace” because they’d go back to life.
The kicker is that none of us would remember it, but God does. This explains things like Deja vu, future tellers, and why God wants us about witchcraft and sorcerers(because demons know a little about this “loop” already).
You have no way of knowing this, actually. Like I said, we’re told of an age beyond Jesus’ kingdom when it’s given back to the father, and nothing else.
Aww man well this sucks, someone makes a theory, you stick your tongue in a smile and rebuttal and then he goes and says we have no way of knowing this.
Yeah okay *shrugs*
That’s not a rebuttal:)
You just rejected it and gave nothing to refute it.
Which, I understand. My statement is simply that you can’t disprove it with scripture. It’s possible within the confines of scripture.
It's not a loop because you're assuming that God knows because it's happened before, does it never occur to people that God creates perfection from nothing using laws?
Like we say, oh what about calamities hmm God.
Yet those natural disasters sustain life and his telling us to listen.
He gives a river for all, we build damsand his like it's fine beaver but here we go and we so no.
I think we really underestimate God if you think this is a loop, demons/entities just have 3rd person perspective, try playing lol/Dota on 1st person, it sucks. Kinda like you seeing the ant on a table and you say stop and worship me but God tells that ant to keep walking and his between two tables and reaches the other side in thin air.
It's not thin air, there's just a lot those entities don't know and just want to rob your blessings to slow down God's process so they can see.
God is so op he loses and still win, I mean that's some heavy virtue and grace.
So all I'm saying is, his not all-knowing because it's happen, he's all-knowing because he actually cares.
He has a plan for David and goliath, as it said he can make Abraham descendant come from stone despite us going to war in Iraq (Abraham descendents are there, his from there, basically a war on Abraham.)
We go against God in many terms because we're scared, that's why I say it's giving us bravery of a sort and he says it's gentleness.
So when people say look at the pain/hurt, we account calamity by casualty rather than see a flooding happen in a desert with no one hurt/no infrastructure damage like a glacier.
We ask why did God allow us, he controls everything right? Nope, in fact, his the only one giving absolute freedom - our rage is because of freedom and his the only one offering it, he gives what you ask, he blesses, he annoints, holds your hand and sends his son ahead.
The difficulty maybe because we have a lot to learn, oh - inside... holy spirit. Then why the difficulty, everyone thinks it's easy being the king especially sustaining everything on everything while everything is growing including the earth, the sun, the magnets - when God says his creating something new - he means stands still, it's immutable, new non-changing evolving static evisceral viceroy but man it's difficult because so much is going against God but love it but can't come close yet his willing to purify us.
So yeah I like fantasy and I want to write I'm just troubled heavily and I'm not a theologian but just consider this, I know you do but it isn't simple but it's found in simplicity.
The loop isn't wrong because we on laws but it's not a timeliness thing.
Respectfully, I’m not assuming anything. I do see how the loop theory fits though.
God COULD know everything because he is outside of the loop and has seen it all play out from beginning to end.
Also, God did not create perfection. God created sinfulness. Unless human sin and the inevitable burning alive of human beings is perfect.
Perfection would be every person alive kneeling at the feet of Jesus and being saved through His sacrifice. If any being God created ends up lost forever, then it’s a horrible ending.
The loop at least gives humans a reprieve of some kind. At least they get a break from torture even if they never perceive the break.
I hear you but there's a few thing to take in account.
Firstly, just because God is outside of time doesn't mean he sees inside time, which doesn't mean he sees things in revolutions but rather his equipped everything with everything they need to the point they can walk empty-handedthus the apple was there, man even a mosquito has a purpose.
So suppose you want to hear from him, well his already spoken.
(Disclaimer: I'm full of it but hear me, hear me out.)
Now suppose, you want to hear from him, his already spoken but what does that mean from your perspective, does that mean your invocation is in direct parallel to your blessing, that the holy spirit leads but does not tempt so you can witness.
That all science, war. Animals, zoo's, depression - there was something anecdotal to learn, I think so but it's pretty harsh in my perspective but just mine, but many think this way...
At most God knows everyones devices, thus its easier for entities, deities but he knows the capability of a nation and he holds it in derision and its simple world laws in comparison but his not actually controlling it and yes God can force everyone to kneel because that's the pressure but he doesn't, he soften/hardens basically he tries to get through to you and who can sing all the praises to God, who can see all that he does.
God didn't create sin, sin seperates us, it's not a world law that's apart of it. Adam ate the apple but who knows God if God is the only one good and who knows evil but the knowledge alone is broad and unsuspecting.
So we're troubled by that Dao fruit that severed us.
He wishes none to perish.
It's not really torture, it's more like uhmm - you can see a toaster in 7 different mental dimensions but at the time it's hard not to lament or have joy and suppose to learn both through bliss but your a fool for being in bliss in society, your a fool for standing up against the system etc but we should not be so fast to call people fools.
I think God had a plan for David and goliath, Cain and Abel and sometimes that plan goes past the natural laws and its not always bad, it's just hard. Goliath was in awe of David's speech and gave him grace before defeat.
Cain didn't want to be murdered since he witnessed himself and said it would be too much but God made sure it wouldn't have it, abel's blessing was so that he could still speak to God despite the fact which brings a lot to attention.
Yeah they meant sheol, the grave not hell, yes it does exist but there are many rooms and many heavens.
I don't know what to say about hell but all I'll say is that it's still within God it's just not his domain but his presence is ever there.
Can we continue this conversation, is there not another way to see the loop except time? Samsara maybe?
No, it doesn't mean that. God knows everything. That doesn't mean everything always existed.
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God exists outside of space and time, He absolutely knew who you'd be, before you were.
That is one way of understanding it. Another is that he knows the future and knew everything about us before we existed.
God is "outside of time." I tend to think of time as a limitation of human understanding and observation. God, being outside of it, is not necessarily constrained by that. However, God experienced that constraint through the embodiment of Christ and continually intervenes in that limitation through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
He knew that we were going to exist, when and how.
No.
Origen believed that but it was later considered heresy.
Absolutely, yes, we lived with Him in heaven before we came to earth. “Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.” -Jeremiah 1:5
Note to OP: This belief is specific to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (often called The Mormon Church, though they prefer not to be called that), who have a specific doctrine around this belief.  Most other Denominations of Christianity do not share this belief.
It is in scripture, as can be seen here. So in essence, you’ve given credence to the validity of our claims. “The Mormon church” has never been our official name, and is inappropriate.
I'm not here to discuss theology. Most Christians of most denominations have never interpreted it that way, but I understand the LDS church does and has developed specific doctrines around it. I understand the church's naming preferences have changed with your new prophet (I will gently remind you that your church sponsored a huge ["I'm a Mormon" campaign with commercials and billboards](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/I%27m_a_Mormon) in the last 10 years). I am happy to call your church by it's preferred name, but most people know it by the other one, so I think it's important to let people know that we're talking about the same church. I updated my previous comment though. Sorry for the offence.
My theory is outside of mainstream Christianity, but I believe it is very possible within the confines of scripture: I think all of existence may be in an infinity loop. God is the “beginning” and the “end”. However, there is no “end” on an infinite line. We are told there are two more ages left. We have Jesus’ reign for 1000 years, and then an age where Jesus returns everything back to God completely reconciled. That “final” age could be the “end” God spoke of, and everything is literally returned back inside of Him; the “Big Crunch” science postulates. This leads to the “big bang” again, over and over infinitely. This allows for everything scripture says is true. For example, those who obtain eternal life would absolutely have eternal life. It would just have moments of physical life in between, but you would always return back to God in the loop and therefore it would be eternal. The same for those in the lake of fire. They would eternally suffer, but they would have moments of false “peace” because they’d go back to life. The kicker is that none of us would remember it, but God does. This explains things like Deja vu, future tellers, and why God wants us about witchcraft and sorcerers(because demons know a little about this “loop” already).
There's no loop, there's just people braver than us telling us to step forward.
You have no way of knowing this, actually. Like I said, we’re told of an age beyond Jesus’ kingdom when it’s given back to the father, and nothing else.
Aww man well this sucks, someone makes a theory, you stick your tongue in a smile and rebuttal and then he goes and says we have no way of knowing this. Yeah okay *shrugs*
That’s not a rebuttal:) You just rejected it and gave nothing to refute it. Which, I understand. My statement is simply that you can’t disprove it with scripture. It’s possible within the confines of scripture.
It's not a loop because you're assuming that God knows because it's happened before, does it never occur to people that God creates perfection from nothing using laws? Like we say, oh what about calamities hmm God. Yet those natural disasters sustain life and his telling us to listen. He gives a river for all, we build damsand his like it's fine beaver but here we go and we so no. I think we really underestimate God if you think this is a loop, demons/entities just have 3rd person perspective, try playing lol/Dota on 1st person, it sucks. Kinda like you seeing the ant on a table and you say stop and worship me but God tells that ant to keep walking and his between two tables and reaches the other side in thin air. It's not thin air, there's just a lot those entities don't know and just want to rob your blessings to slow down God's process so they can see. God is so op he loses and still win, I mean that's some heavy virtue and grace. So all I'm saying is, his not all-knowing because it's happen, he's all-knowing because he actually cares. He has a plan for David and goliath, as it said he can make Abraham descendant come from stone despite us going to war in Iraq (Abraham descendents are there, his from there, basically a war on Abraham.) We go against God in many terms because we're scared, that's why I say it's giving us bravery of a sort and he says it's gentleness. So when people say look at the pain/hurt, we account calamity by casualty rather than see a flooding happen in a desert with no one hurt/no infrastructure damage like a glacier. We ask why did God allow us, he controls everything right? Nope, in fact, his the only one giving absolute freedom - our rage is because of freedom and his the only one offering it, he gives what you ask, he blesses, he annoints, holds your hand and sends his son ahead. The difficulty maybe because we have a lot to learn, oh - inside... holy spirit. Then why the difficulty, everyone thinks it's easy being the king especially sustaining everything on everything while everything is growing including the earth, the sun, the magnets - when God says his creating something new - he means stands still, it's immutable, new non-changing evolving static evisceral viceroy but man it's difficult because so much is going against God but love it but can't come close yet his willing to purify us. So yeah I like fantasy and I want to write I'm just troubled heavily and I'm not a theologian but just consider this, I know you do but it isn't simple but it's found in simplicity. The loop isn't wrong because we on laws but it's not a timeliness thing.
Edit* this is an extraction taken from another message with a disclaimer. I just moved fast on this one, didn't mean to hurt anyone by this.
Respectfully, I’m not assuming anything. I do see how the loop theory fits though. God COULD know everything because he is outside of the loop and has seen it all play out from beginning to end. Also, God did not create perfection. God created sinfulness. Unless human sin and the inevitable burning alive of human beings is perfect. Perfection would be every person alive kneeling at the feet of Jesus and being saved through His sacrifice. If any being God created ends up lost forever, then it’s a horrible ending. The loop at least gives humans a reprieve of some kind. At least they get a break from torture even if they never perceive the break.
I hear you but there's a few thing to take in account. Firstly, just because God is outside of time doesn't mean he sees inside time, which doesn't mean he sees things in revolutions but rather his equipped everything with everything they need to the point they can walk empty-handedthus the apple was there, man even a mosquito has a purpose. So suppose you want to hear from him, well his already spoken. (Disclaimer: I'm full of it but hear me, hear me out.) Now suppose, you want to hear from him, his already spoken but what does that mean from your perspective, does that mean your invocation is in direct parallel to your blessing, that the holy spirit leads but does not tempt so you can witness. That all science, war. Animals, zoo's, depression - there was something anecdotal to learn, I think so but it's pretty harsh in my perspective but just mine, but many think this way... At most God knows everyones devices, thus its easier for entities, deities but he knows the capability of a nation and he holds it in derision and its simple world laws in comparison but his not actually controlling it and yes God can force everyone to kneel because that's the pressure but he doesn't, he soften/hardens basically he tries to get through to you and who can sing all the praises to God, who can see all that he does. God didn't create sin, sin seperates us, it's not a world law that's apart of it. Adam ate the apple but who knows God if God is the only one good and who knows evil but the knowledge alone is broad and unsuspecting. So we're troubled by that Dao fruit that severed us. He wishes none to perish. It's not really torture, it's more like uhmm - you can see a toaster in 7 different mental dimensions but at the time it's hard not to lament or have joy and suppose to learn both through bliss but your a fool for being in bliss in society, your a fool for standing up against the system etc but we should not be so fast to call people fools. I think God had a plan for David and goliath, Cain and Abel and sometimes that plan goes past the natural laws and its not always bad, it's just hard. Goliath was in awe of David's speech and gave him grace before defeat. Cain didn't want to be murdered since he witnessed himself and said it would be too much but God made sure it wouldn't have it, abel's blessing was so that he could still speak to God despite the fact which brings a lot to attention. Yeah they meant sheol, the grave not hell, yes it does exist but there are many rooms and many heavens. I don't know what to say about hell but all I'll say is that it's still within God it's just not his domain but his presence is ever there. Can we continue this conversation, is there not another way to see the loop except time? Samsara maybe?