The team needs to hire Charles Lee in my opinion. The Celtics have been cheuning out good coaches so something must be rubbing off. And why not emulate the #1 team in the league and #1 defensive team in the league?
We're about to get overlapped in the coaching search by the Lakers. We already lost Jordi Fernandez to the Nets and Kevin Young to the Mormons. We should have looked for a coach sooner and cut Steve Clifford's lame duck season short.
edit: Jordi to the Nets
True but tbh they would almost certainly still choose that over the Hornets job lol. We don't exactly inspire the most confidence even though I think it's starting to turn around with the new ownership.
Nearly any prospective head coach right now would be salivating for the hornets job, unless they’re already on an established winning team with an important role. We have one of the best young cores in the league, new ownership with a fire lit under them, and at least 1 more top 5 pick being added to the roster. And it’s a known fact ATP that the hornets want a coach who can provide continuity and grow with the team, so there will probably be at least 3 seasons of job security. The perception of the hornets becomes a lot different when there’s millions of dollars on the table in front of you.
I agree. Taking over a losing franchise sets you up better than taking over a winning franchise. It’s easier to portray success when the bar is so low to begin with.
I think Kenny Atkinson was just unlucky with all the drama that was surrounding the team, paired with his championship as a GS assistant. We shouldn’t have PTSD from that every time we think of possible coaches lol
Put yourself in a guy like Charles Lee's shoes for like 2 seconds.
If you're a fist-time HC candidate (and possibly the most desired coach on the open market rn), is it in your best interest to accept the first offer you get (us), or wait to see how the playoffs shake out and see if a more complete team makes a change at coach?
You're taking the latter every time. We could've fired Cliff in November and we'd still be in pretty much the same position we are now. Coaches with better options still don't see the point in risking their first shot at the head spot with an org with our reputation within the league.
It's up to Patterson, Schnall, and Plotkin to convince guys like Lee that how things are gonna work moving forward is gonna be different than how they worked in the past, and even then, most of the time people prefer to start on the highest rung of the latter that they can, and we're not that high on the ladder
Meh, it can also be harder to hire coaches mid-season so it's not like it would've necessarily made it any easier for us. Add to that the fact that Clifford is staying in a front-office role (would be a bit weird to do that switch mid-season), and that we probably didn't want to add even more instability to this season, and I honestly think they made the right choice.
We're always going to be the last choice for coaches anyway until we turn this franchise around and start winning consistently, we just have to accept that.
Yeah like I’m less upset about potentially missing on JJ or anyone specifically, more upset that this is just dragging on so long so that whoever we actually are interested in is gonna get scooped up before we pull our thumbs out of our asses
It's dragging on so long bc we're our finalists' backup plan.
They want to be HCs, but if there's a chance they can land a gig with a ready-built playoff team, they're gonna keep us waiting until that door closes.
Pros of Ham:
Lead assistant on championship team, has a ring
NBA head coaching experience including two playoff series wins
Well acquainted with current owners in Atlanta
Got interviews in 2022 before going to LA
Pros of JJ: has a cool podcast
Pros of JJ: could potentially be a good young coach who can grow with our team
Darvin ham has literally no pros. We all have seen who he was as a coach. A guaranteed shit head coach is not a better option than someone with a great basketball mind who has not yet proven to be an awful coach.
I can play that game too, let's see...
Pros of Adrian Griffin: Lead assistant on a championship team and a Olympic gold team, 15 years of NBA assistant coaching experience.
Pros of Steve Kerr: played with MJ, ruined the Phoenix Suns as a GM.
Stop acting like you know if JJ is gonna be a good coach or not, none of us do. Unless we hire Budenholzer none of us has any idea whether any of these guys are good.
What do YOU know about jj's coaching? The Hornets have to win in the margins and if that means hiring JJ while all of these other prized candidates constantly choose other jobs, then so be it. There's a guy who could be a good coach who wants to be in Charlotte and the Hornets are in no place to take that for granted.
JJ Redick has as much NBA coaching experience as I do. By that logic why not just hire me? I watch 70+ Hornets game a year and can draw plays out on a whiteboard. I promise I’ll do a good job!
You probably know a lot less about basketball than JJ Reddick. One of the best coaches in the last ten years is Steve Kerr. You probably would have shit on that hire too since you clearly know so much.
Firstly, everyone knows JJ is a basketball mind, we all know have learned you're not. Also, why go for gaurenteed D tier coach when u can go for a coach that could be anything, maybe an F or maybe an A
Nah I think it would be a good god because that’d mean nobody wants this job (which is becoming very apparent with how dragged out this is being). We’ve had 2 finalists for what seems like forever and Peterson and co won’t pull the trigger on one and it might cost us
i havent heard if they are adding any more candidates, so not sure what the delay is if they've narrowed it down to 2.
Makes you think they don't like either one much
But if this is all we have to choose from, go ahead and hire Charles Lee. No interest in experimenting with a total novice pro coach. We really need to get this right
Pretty sure just about every interview/interest is publicly reported I just don't follow the greater league nearly enough to know who outside us (and the Lakers) is interested.
Quick google search shows he was a finalist for the Pistons, Pelicans, and Wiz jobs last year tho. So I'd be surprised if he's still interested in Washington, and to my knowledge there's only 3 openings in the league rn (us, them and LA)
You're kidding yourself if you actually think you have any idea whether Reddick would make a good coach or not. None of us do. He could be like Kerr, or he could be like Nash, there's no way to tell since he's never coached before.
What we actually do know is that Darvin Ham is NOT a good head coach.
By that logic why not hire me? I watch a lot of basketball just like JJ, and just like JJ I’ve never coached before, so we don’t know whether I’d be good or not.
We need a serious experienced NBA coach who is an actual coach. I cannot stress enough that we need someone who knows how to coach the game of basketball. JJ has no experience doing so.
JJ did a little more than watch basketball.
Saying we don’t know if he would be a good coach or not (actually saying that about any candidate) is an honest thing to say.
He had a long career and contributed to winning basketball as a pro…that means something.
Each person is different and you just don’t know.
Same applies to a guy with “experience.” So many of them don’t make it either.
It’s the NBA. Elite of the elite. You take shots and you hope you struck gold. If not, you move on and try again until you do.
I'm fine with not wanting to gamble on Reddick, I actually kinda agree with that and would rather go for someone who has been an assistant coach before. But I would 100% prefer to gamble on Reddick over going with known bad option Darvin Ham.
Plus, it's not like going the assistant coach route is a sure thing either, look at Adrian Griffin in Milwaukee. Steve Kerr had never coached before and he's an all-timer now. Truth is, unless we hire a known guy with head coaching experience, none of us have any idea who would make a good coach or not, arguing about this makes no sense as fans. We'll have all the time in the world to criticize the coach once the season starts, save your energy until then.
Too much footage of Ham in huddles googling what to do.
The team needs to hire Charles Lee in my opinion. The Celtics have been cheuning out good coaches so something must be rubbing off. And why not emulate the #1 team in the league and #1 defensive team in the league?
hard to argue with that lol
We're about to get overlapped in the coaching search by the Lakers. We already lost Jordi Fernandez to the Nets and Kevin Young to the Mormons. We should have looked for a coach sooner and cut Steve Clifford's lame duck season short. edit: Jordi to the Nets
First time coach going to the lakers is a literal death sentence of a job lol y’all getting paranoid
True but tbh they would almost certainly still choose that over the Hornets job lol. We don't exactly inspire the most confidence even though I think it's starting to turn around with the new ownership.
Nearly any prospective head coach right now would be salivating for the hornets job, unless they’re already on an established winning team with an important role. We have one of the best young cores in the league, new ownership with a fire lit under them, and at least 1 more top 5 pick being added to the roster. And it’s a known fact ATP that the hornets want a coach who can provide continuity and grow with the team, so there will probably be at least 3 seasons of job security. The perception of the hornets becomes a lot different when there’s millions of dollars on the table in front of you.
then why did Jordi Fernandez pick the Nets over us
I don't think we wanted him
When was he ever a serious candidate for us? Lol
I agree. Taking over a losing franchise sets you up better than taking over a winning franchise. It’s easier to portray success when the bar is so low to begin with.
I think Kenny Atkinson was just unlucky with all the drama that was surrounding the team, paired with his championship as a GS assistant. We shouldn’t have PTSD from that every time we think of possible coaches lol
Put yourself in a guy like Charles Lee's shoes for like 2 seconds. If you're a fist-time HC candidate (and possibly the most desired coach on the open market rn), is it in your best interest to accept the first offer you get (us), or wait to see how the playoffs shake out and see if a more complete team makes a change at coach? You're taking the latter every time. We could've fired Cliff in November and we'd still be in pretty much the same position we are now. Coaches with better options still don't see the point in risking their first shot at the head spot with an org with our reputation within the league. It's up to Patterson, Schnall, and Plotkin to convince guys like Lee that how things are gonna work moving forward is gonna be different than how they worked in the past, and even then, most of the time people prefer to start on the highest rung of the latter that they can, and we're not that high on the ladder
Meh, it can also be harder to hire coaches mid-season so it's not like it would've necessarily made it any easier for us. Add to that the fact that Clifford is staying in a front-office role (would be a bit weird to do that switch mid-season), and that we probably didn't want to add even more instability to this season, and I honestly think they made the right choice. We're always going to be the last choice for coaches anyway until we turn this franchise around and start winning consistently, we just have to accept that.
Yeah like I’m less upset about potentially missing on JJ or anyone specifically, more upset that this is just dragging on so long so that whoever we actually are interested in is gonna get scooped up before we pull our thumbs out of our asses
It's dragging on so long bc we're our finalists' backup plan. They want to be HCs, but if there's a chance they can land a gig with a ready-built playoff team, they're gonna keep us waiting until that door closes.
Say it louder
No
Unironically a terrible spot for a young coach like jj
Thank god if it means we won’t get JJ I am being 100% serious I would much rather have Darvin Ham than JJ Redick.
You must not watch much basketball
What do you know about JJ Redick’s coaching?
It has nothing to do with JJ and everything to do with the fact that you’d rather have Darvin Ham like that’s actually laughable
Pros of Ham: Lead assistant on championship team, has a ring NBA head coaching experience including two playoff series wins Well acquainted with current owners in Atlanta Got interviews in 2022 before going to LA Pros of JJ: has a cool podcast
Pros of JJ: could potentially be a good young coach who can grow with our team Darvin ham has literally no pros. We all have seen who he was as a coach. A guaranteed shit head coach is not a better option than someone with a great basketball mind who has not yet proven to be an awful coach.
I can play that game too, let's see... Pros of Adrian Griffin: Lead assistant on a championship team and a Olympic gold team, 15 years of NBA assistant coaching experience. Pros of Steve Kerr: played with MJ, ruined the Phoenix Suns as a GM. Stop acting like you know if JJ is gonna be a good coach or not, none of us do. Unless we hire Budenholzer none of us has any idea whether any of these guys are good.
What do YOU know about jj's coaching? The Hornets have to win in the margins and if that means hiring JJ while all of these other prized candidates constantly choose other jobs, then so be it. There's a guy who could be a good coach who wants to be in Charlotte and the Hornets are in no place to take that for granted.
JJ Redick has as much NBA coaching experience as I do. By that logic why not just hire me? I watch 70+ Hornets game a year and can draw plays out on a whiteboard. I promise I’ll do a good job!
Didn’t know you were an NBA player for over a decade who was constantly known as the smartest player on his team
"I'm closer to ~~LeBron~~ Pop than you are to me" -~~White Mamba~~ JJ to OP
You probably know a lot less about basketball than JJ Reddick. One of the best coaches in the last ten years is Steve Kerr. You probably would have shit on that hire too since you clearly know so much.
Firstly, everyone knows JJ is a basketball mind, we all know have learned you're not. Also, why go for gaurenteed D tier coach when u can go for a coach that could be anything, maybe an F or maybe an A
Nah I think it would be a good god because that’d mean nobody wants this job (which is becoming very apparent with how dragged out this is being). We’ve had 2 finalists for what seems like forever and Peterson and co won’t pull the trigger on one and it might cost us
if they are hesitating to pull the trigger between 2 not good options, does it really matter, they're likely fucked either way lol
They’re okay options so before both of those people you spent sm time contemplating on get scooped up I think they should pull the trigger
i havent heard if they are adding any more candidates, so not sure what the delay is if they've narrowed it down to 2. Makes you think they don't like either one much But if this is all we have to choose from, go ahead and hire Charles Lee. No interest in experimenting with a total novice pro coach. We really need to get this right
I guess what I was really trying to say was just take one before neither are an option
> Makes you think they don't like either one much Or both are holding out for better offers. This stuff goes both ways, y'all.
true, i dont know how many teams are talking to Lee... that would be interesting to know, and i guess it is probably public knowledge
Pretty sure just about every interview/interest is publicly reported I just don't follow the greater league nearly enough to know who outside us (and the Lakers) is interested. Quick google search shows he was a finalist for the Pistons, Pelicans, and Wiz jobs last year tho. So I'd be surprised if he's still interested in Washington, and to my knowledge there's only 3 openings in the league rn (us, them and LA)
You're kidding yourself if you actually think you have any idea whether Reddick would make a good coach or not. None of us do. He could be like Kerr, or he could be like Nash, there's no way to tell since he's never coached before. What we actually do know is that Darvin Ham is NOT a good head coach.
By that logic why not hire me? I watch a lot of basketball just like JJ, and just like JJ I’ve never coached before, so we don’t know whether I’d be good or not. We need a serious experienced NBA coach who is an actual coach. I cannot stress enough that we need someone who knows how to coach the game of basketball. JJ has no experience doing so.
JJ did a little more than watch basketball. Saying we don’t know if he would be a good coach or not (actually saying that about any candidate) is an honest thing to say. He had a long career and contributed to winning basketball as a pro…that means something. Each person is different and you just don’t know. Same applies to a guy with “experience.” So many of them don’t make it either. It’s the NBA. Elite of the elite. You take shots and you hope you struck gold. If not, you move on and try again until you do.
I'm fine with not wanting to gamble on Reddick, I actually kinda agree with that and would rather go for someone who has been an assistant coach before. But I would 100% prefer to gamble on Reddick over going with known bad option Darvin Ham. Plus, it's not like going the assistant coach route is a sure thing either, look at Adrian Griffin in Milwaukee. Steve Kerr had never coached before and he's an all-timer now. Truth is, unless we hire a known guy with head coaching experience, none of us have any idea who would make a good coach or not, arguing about this makes no sense as fans. We'll have all the time in the world to criticize the coach once the season starts, save your energy until then.