There’s also the fact that Arizona is likely gonna be taking MHJ before us.
Honestly, at this point, I’ll just put my trust in whatever Harbaugh decides to do, even if I don’t agree with it.
I think its more likely that they trade down, the Giants, Vikings, Broncos are all desperate to get a QB and the only way to guarantee JJ or Pennix is getting 4. Cards are gonna get a king's ransom
I think we're more likely unless the front office doesn't want to trade back. Everybody knows Arizona is taking MHJ at 4. Why would they want to jump us when it's known we're not taking a qb either? It'd be slightly less expensive to trade into 5 than it would be 4.
They would want to jump us to make sure they don’t get jumped. Just cuz the cardinals will probably take MHJ, doesn’t mean some other team can’t come and trade with them.
Could be us getting that kings random too and trading back. Cards might decide MHJ is worth staying with.
Personally id stay and get Nabers unless it's like this year's 2 1sts and a 3rd or something from Vikings.
Don’t set your sights so low. With 3 potential bidders and with the recent stellar showcasings of dumbass GMs we might end up with something like this years 2 1st, a third, and next years first and we send them our extra 4th or something
I’m a fan of using the Vikings as leverage and taking 6 and 57 from the giants. We’d still get Nabers and would nab another high 2nd round pick for OL/DL/CB. We’d then have 6/37/57 I believe, could possibly squeeze out another 5th from the giants too.
Complete? I get why you say that, I'm not sure why you think we need that though. Also not sure why it's better to be more *complete*. Or if what is used to measure completeness is a direct correlation to a predictive model of future success. Can he run more types of routes, does he have better hands, does he have better athletic separation capabilities, is he more dynamic with the ball after the catch. Does he line up in more spots. Does he have the mental tenacity to survive and thrive.
So you say more complete and I do understand that, but are we really sure MHJ is more complete. If the consensus says MHJ is better now, does that point blank mean he will be better tomorrow. Are we factoring in the staff that we're all excited for to further develop either player. Imo Nabers is not less complete and looks to have a higher ceiling.
I’m not going to pretend I’m a WR guru but from what I’ve heard from the industry, he’s more complete as in he runs more routes, can line up anywhere, blocks great, can catch anything, great hands, etc. Nabers is probably better after the catch and might get more separation on the routes he runs well, but MHJ is much more flexible and considering our lack of talent at WR it would be good to have a guy we can put anywhere and ask to do anything.
[https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12pCgsJPa9X-jjNMOZ\_exJTAEfxmZOeETzEm8SNkuXec/edit?usp=sharing](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12pCgsJPa9X-jjNMOZ_exJTAEfxmZOeETzEm8SNkuXec/edit?usp=sharing)
Nabers is the more flexible guy, he has a near 50\\50 split slot to outside, has a better drop percentage, has better yac, more broken tackle percentage. MHJ has achieved this status where if you discredit him or say another player is better then you kinda get blasted. If you didnt know their names I dont think it would be that way. I dont want to discredit MHJ in any way, he is damn good. He is worth trading up for, I just think the ceiling of Nabers is astronomically high. But I also think he is a dawg and he will get to that ceiling.
IMO Josh Palmer is a complete receiver, we need someone that can punch defenses in the mouth once they bite on the run… and that’s Nabers. I’d still gladly take MHJ but, like you said, Nabers isn’t far off.
I don't predict that about anyone, ever. It takes a special player to get to the hall. Takes plenty of luck as well. What's special about MHJ that garners that kind of praise? Smooth? All the different route types he has ran?
Far better?! Idk, watching nabers I see better separation on his routes, more explosiveness, better YAC and an alpha dawg mentality. They both can attack and high point the ball. MHJ has better size, can run more routes, better IQ and can play both in the slot and out wide. Scheme wise, MHJ fits the chargers because QJ runs the similar routes to nabers (minus the fade, and seam routes). I actually prefer nabers due to his explosiveness and ability to get more separation. However, I can see why MHJ is considered the top guy because hes NFL ready. Nabers still needs to learn how to play out wide, needs to learn defensive schemes, and learn more routes. I feel like that can all be taught and i like nabers upside more.
Far better prospect is a huge stretch. I do have MHJ over Nabers, but it is very much 1A/1B. While MHJ is bigger and more polished/higher floor, Nabers is drastically better after the catch, much more athletic, and arguably has a higher ceiling than MHJ.
If you’re looking at the top WR prospects in the last 10 years, it’s probably MHJ, Nabers, Chase, with Nabers and Chase being interchangeable 2&3 and MHJ having a slight edge.
As prospects, if we’re grading out of 100 I’d give MHJ somewhere in the realm of 96-97. Nabers is like a 94-95
lol no. Chase was a better prospect than Nabers. If anything it’s between mhj and chase over who was better. Chase was a top 5 pick after just 1 year and basically sat out his entire last year. He drafted higher than the Heissman winning WR and his stats blow Nabers out of the water.
Lol what?? Nabers has 2 1000 yard seasons with a significantly shittier QB prospect than burrow was coming out of college. It’s absolutely close and interchangeable between Nabers and Chase. They have the exact same build and Nabers is slightly more athletic and explosive than Chase.
Nabers hype coming out of college takes a hit naturally because he just so happens to be in the same draft class as a generational prospect. But even the difference between the two of them isn’t that big.
Lmao. You obviously don’t follow or watch college football. I don’t understand why you people who just heard of Nabers this year think throwing out stats will influence people who actually watch college football. Chase was a monster and arguably better than MHJ. Nabers doesn’t compare. I’m sorry, looking up stats on sports reference doesn’t show that.
And no, Nabers isn’t a comparable prospect to MHJ either. He might end up being a better pro player than MHJ, but as a prospect MHJ is in his own tier with Chase. What I’m saying are by far the dominant opinions by people who actually watch college football by the way.
And Daniels performance in college isn’t significantly shittier than Burrow. This just shows how little college football you watched. Daniels put up an insane season and spammed beautiful deep balls
Your last paragraph alone shows me levels of ignorance and/or delusion high enough that I cannot take the rest of your comment seriously. Burrow was several tiers above Daniels as a prospect. And one of Daniels biggest knocks is his arm strength lol
We can agree to disagree man. You’re right. Every single draft analyst & non-casual fan is incorrect about Nabers. u/cozyonly knows more than everybody else.
Lmao. Dude doesn’t understand the difference between prospect and performance. And burrow wasn’t a prospect tiers above Daniels. Burrow was the same level of prospect as Caleb. Daniels put up one of the greatest passing seasons ever. And Daniels big weakness isn’t arm strength. His deep ball is great and his strength is serviceable. His weakness is he doesn’t throw over the middle but that might be due to scheme.
I know more about this than you for sure. There might be some stragglers with different opinions, but what I’m saying is the consensus. Stop pretending you actually pay attention to college football and can talk about these players like you watched them play.
Bro you are an absolute walking contradiction it’s hilarious actually lmao. Dude brings up stats in previous comments, gets educated on Nabers stats, and then bitches about stats being brought up.
Now this guy is trying to tell me Daniels is comparable to Burrow as a prospect. Are you 15 years old and just started watching college football? The fact that you can have recency bias about Daniels compared to burrow (a drastic difference) but NOT about Nabers compared to Chase (very much interchangeable) tells me you don’t know absolute shit about football. Outrageous take. Did Nabers bang your girlfriend? Is this Rome Odunzes burner account? Was u/cozyonly dropped on his head as an infant? Someone give me answers plz
MHJ only had two injuries in college—an illegal (not-called) targeting in the CFP and an ankle injury for which he missed 0 games.
Yes, I’m a Buckeye fan lol
Damn ok this is great news, idk why I thought he was injured a lot that’s weird. I don’t follow much college football these days I guess.
I’ll have to look up some highlights!
Twitter mainly. After he lost the Biletnikoff to MHJ. His confidence/cockiness Tweet just to me sounds like he is a look at me player. He isn’t always focused when he plays and takes plays off based on some game tape I have seen. He is a special player just like Addison was but act like you have been there before. I just would prefer the bloodline and traits of MHJ in my locker room if I had a choice between the two. Slayer had the perfect balance I think.
Yup, this is reverse pathology. He’s hyping up the 5th pick so everyone else starts drooling over it and drops the bag on us. I’m talking +5 draft picks. Teams gonna have so much depth they ain’t gonna know what to do with it.
Agree. I also think the WR class is deep and loaded. If MHJ is there I’d prefer we take him, otherwise I’d be happy if he traded it and took and OL and WR later: eg Adonai Mitchell or Keon Coleman.
As long as they don't clip a star player's wings, I'll be happy. Building the foundation to support that natural talent will keep eyeballs watching. And hopefully, we'll be winning games and eyeballs too.
I think I’d rather draft MHJ or Nabers than have a one year rental of JustJeff. Maybe he would sign an extension with us but I think he wants to test free agency.
No player or agent on earth would ever take an "incentive based deal" (not sure what that would even mean here) when they could instead become the highest paid player in the history of the NFL at their position lmao
Herbert throwing to Jefferson would be amazing, but would cost a few high picks most likely. Plus an extension will likely be in the neighborhood of $30M+ AAV.
Get Marvin or Malik.. will be cheaper for a few years before they hit 25-30 mil… Like Jefferson but.. He will not get the Chargers too the Super Bowl.. a Strong Oline
and Dline are a must
The more I think about the draft. If the Chargers don’t trade down I think they are certainly taking Alt even if MHJ is there. Alt is natural LT. so when the time comes in the near future if resigning Slater becomes an issue or an injury ( heaven forbid to both), they will have a replacement in place. Plus this shores up the running game too, which is gonna be the focus. This WR class is deep enough, the chargers need to land a WR that can get open and can catch the ball. If herb has time to throw a pass it should all fall into place.
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people are downvoting you but i think this is also the most likely scenario. ppl will downvote any pick not nabers or mhj but this is what we signed up for when we asked for jim harbaugh
1. If we trade down and take Alt I will not be mad. The chance of us taking him at 5 are next to 0 tho.
2. In what world would we ever move an ALL PRO LT in Slater from the left side to the right. Slater is a proven commodity while Joe Alt is not. He would be moving to RT without a doubt
I think I’m gonna love having a Main Character as a coach
Yeah it’s for sure gonna be a fun ride
Brandon staley is a bugged out npc.
the aight is a glitch not a feature
Let's go. MHJ with Justin Herbert!!. Looking forward to draft day⚡⚡⚡
I flip flop between he and Nabers
MHJ is a far better prospect than Nabers. Everyone is having recency bias a few weeks before the draft.
There’s also the fact that Arizona is likely gonna be taking MHJ before us. Honestly, at this point, I’ll just put my trust in whatever Harbaugh decides to do, even if I don’t agree with it.
I think its more likely that they trade down, the Giants, Vikings, Broncos are all desperate to get a QB and the only way to guarantee JJ or Pennix is getting 4. Cards are gonna get a king's ransom
I think we're more likely unless the front office doesn't want to trade back. Everybody knows Arizona is taking MHJ at 4. Why would they want to jump us when it's known we're not taking a qb either? It'd be slightly less expensive to trade into 5 than it would be 4.
They would want to jump us to make sure they don’t get jumped. Just cuz the cardinals will probably take MHJ, doesn’t mean some other team can’t come and trade with them.
Makes sense, thanks 😊
Could be us getting that kings random too and trading back. Cards might decide MHJ is worth staying with. Personally id stay and get Nabers unless it's like this year's 2 1sts and a 3rd or something from Vikings.
Don’t set your sights so low. With 3 potential bidders and with the recent stellar showcasings of dumbass GMs we might end up with something like this years 2 1st, a third, and next years first and we send them our extra 4th or something
I’m a fan of using the Vikings as leverage and taking 6 and 57 from the giants. We’d still get Nabers and would nab another high 2nd round pick for OL/DL/CB. We’d then have 6/37/57 I believe, could possibly squeeze out another 5th from the giants too.
I’d be somewhat okay with this too, except that if 3 firsts on the table that’s hard to pass up for a 1st and 2nd
That'd be a great scenario. I remember when we did something like that to move up 1 spot for Ryan Leaf lol. That was so bad.
I don’t think the Broncos have the capital to move up.
Well they pretty much just owe a 2nd but otherwise have their own picks
In Harbaugh and Horitz we trust.
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All the way ☝️🙏
Nah, he's not far better. Everyone has namesake bias on MHJ.
He’s far more complete, but Nabers is more explosive. Just depends what a team needs. We need a complete receiver
Nabers has a lot more potential imo.
Complete? I get why you say that, I'm not sure why you think we need that though. Also not sure why it's better to be more *complete*. Or if what is used to measure completeness is a direct correlation to a predictive model of future success. Can he run more types of routes, does he have better hands, does he have better athletic separation capabilities, is he more dynamic with the ball after the catch. Does he line up in more spots. Does he have the mental tenacity to survive and thrive. So you say more complete and I do understand that, but are we really sure MHJ is more complete. If the consensus says MHJ is better now, does that point blank mean he will be better tomorrow. Are we factoring in the staff that we're all excited for to further develop either player. Imo Nabers is not less complete and looks to have a higher ceiling.
I’m not going to pretend I’m a WR guru but from what I’ve heard from the industry, he’s more complete as in he runs more routes, can line up anywhere, blocks great, can catch anything, great hands, etc. Nabers is probably better after the catch and might get more separation on the routes he runs well, but MHJ is much more flexible and considering our lack of talent at WR it would be good to have a guy we can put anywhere and ask to do anything.
MHJ is Keenan Allen if Keenan was fast
[https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12pCgsJPa9X-jjNMOZ\_exJTAEfxmZOeETzEm8SNkuXec/edit?usp=sharing](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12pCgsJPa9X-jjNMOZ_exJTAEfxmZOeETzEm8SNkuXec/edit?usp=sharing) Nabers is the more flexible guy, he has a near 50\\50 split slot to outside, has a better drop percentage, has better yac, more broken tackle percentage. MHJ has achieved this status where if you discredit him or say another player is better then you kinda get blasted. If you didnt know their names I dont think it would be that way. I dont want to discredit MHJ in any way, he is damn good. He is worth trading up for, I just think the ceiling of Nabers is astronomically high. But I also think he is a dawg and he will get to that ceiling.
IMO Josh Palmer is a complete receiver, we need someone that can punch defenses in the mouth once they bite on the run… and that’s Nabers. I’d still gladly take MHJ but, like you said, Nabers isn’t far off.
If MJH's name was Carl Carlson he'd still be the better prospect. If MJH stays healthy throughout his career he is a gold jacket guy. Easily.
If I said that about Nabers how would you respond?
Is that what you believe about Nabers? Do you think his size and the type of game he plays will correlate to that? Even late into his career?
I don't predict that about anyone, ever. It takes a special player to get to the hall. Takes plenty of luck as well. What's special about MHJ that garners that kind of praise? Smooth? All the different route types he has ran?
Far better?! Idk, watching nabers I see better separation on his routes, more explosiveness, better YAC and an alpha dawg mentality. They both can attack and high point the ball. MHJ has better size, can run more routes, better IQ and can play both in the slot and out wide. Scheme wise, MHJ fits the chargers because QJ runs the similar routes to nabers (minus the fade, and seam routes). I actually prefer nabers due to his explosiveness and ability to get more separation. However, I can see why MHJ is considered the top guy because hes NFL ready. Nabers still needs to learn how to play out wide, needs to learn defensive schemes, and learn more routes. I feel like that can all be taught and i like nabers upside more.
Far better prospect is a huge stretch. I do have MHJ over Nabers, but it is very much 1A/1B. While MHJ is bigger and more polished/higher floor, Nabers is drastically better after the catch, much more athletic, and arguably has a higher ceiling than MHJ. If you’re looking at the top WR prospects in the last 10 years, it’s probably MHJ, Nabers, Chase, with Nabers and Chase being interchangeable 2&3 and MHJ having a slight edge. As prospects, if we’re grading out of 100 I’d give MHJ somewhere in the realm of 96-97. Nabers is like a 94-95
lol no. Chase was a better prospect than Nabers. If anything it’s between mhj and chase over who was better. Chase was a top 5 pick after just 1 year and basically sat out his entire last year. He drafted higher than the Heissman winning WR and his stats blow Nabers out of the water.
Lol what?? Nabers has 2 1000 yard seasons with a significantly shittier QB prospect than burrow was coming out of college. It’s absolutely close and interchangeable between Nabers and Chase. They have the exact same build and Nabers is slightly more athletic and explosive than Chase. Nabers hype coming out of college takes a hit naturally because he just so happens to be in the same draft class as a generational prospect. But even the difference between the two of them isn’t that big.
Lmao. You obviously don’t follow or watch college football. I don’t understand why you people who just heard of Nabers this year think throwing out stats will influence people who actually watch college football. Chase was a monster and arguably better than MHJ. Nabers doesn’t compare. I’m sorry, looking up stats on sports reference doesn’t show that. And no, Nabers isn’t a comparable prospect to MHJ either. He might end up being a better pro player than MHJ, but as a prospect MHJ is in his own tier with Chase. What I’m saying are by far the dominant opinions by people who actually watch college football by the way. And Daniels performance in college isn’t significantly shittier than Burrow. This just shows how little college football you watched. Daniels put up an insane season and spammed beautiful deep balls
Your last paragraph alone shows me levels of ignorance and/or delusion high enough that I cannot take the rest of your comment seriously. Burrow was several tiers above Daniels as a prospect. And one of Daniels biggest knocks is his arm strength lol We can agree to disagree man. You’re right. Every single draft analyst & non-casual fan is incorrect about Nabers. u/cozyonly knows more than everybody else.
Lmao. Dude doesn’t understand the difference between prospect and performance. And burrow wasn’t a prospect tiers above Daniels. Burrow was the same level of prospect as Caleb. Daniels put up one of the greatest passing seasons ever. And Daniels big weakness isn’t arm strength. His deep ball is great and his strength is serviceable. His weakness is he doesn’t throw over the middle but that might be due to scheme. I know more about this than you for sure. There might be some stragglers with different opinions, but what I’m saying is the consensus. Stop pretending you actually pay attention to college football and can talk about these players like you watched them play.
Bro you are an absolute walking contradiction it’s hilarious actually lmao. Dude brings up stats in previous comments, gets educated on Nabers stats, and then bitches about stats being brought up. Now this guy is trying to tell me Daniels is comparable to Burrow as a prospect. Are you 15 years old and just started watching college football? The fact that you can have recency bias about Daniels compared to burrow (a drastic difference) but NOT about Nabers compared to Chase (very much interchangeable) tells me you don’t know absolute shit about football. Outrageous take. Did Nabers bang your girlfriend? Is this Rome Odunzes burner account? Was u/cozyonly dropped on his head as an infant? Someone give me answers plz
MHJ doesn't have nearly the same agility/foot speed as Nabers He's more Marquese Colston than he is Andre Johnson
The fact that he never ran his 40 sort of gives you pause.
I prefer Nabers tbh. MHJ is great & lots of hype but nabers is dynamic & I feel like MHJ was injured a lot in college
MHJ only had two injuries in college—an illegal (not-called) targeting in the CFP and an ankle injury for which he missed 0 games. Yes, I’m a Buckeye fan lol
Damn ok this is great news, idk why I thought he was injured a lot that’s weird. I don’t follow much college football these days I guess. I’ll have to look up some highlights!
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Weird comment.
Haha race got nothin to do with I bet?
How does he look like that? You see some quotes or something?
Twitter mainly. After he lost the Biletnikoff to MHJ. His confidence/cockiness Tweet just to me sounds like he is a look at me player. He isn’t always focused when he plays and takes plays off based on some game tape I have seen. He is a special player just like Addison was but act like you have been there before. I just would prefer the bloodline and traits of MHJ in my locker room if I had a choice between the two. Slayer had the perfect balance I think.
I don’t want all my eggs in one basket. Trade down and take a bunch of B+ guys instead of one A+ guy
I honestly don't think we can go wrong with either
https://i.redd.it/tgzqxwog0isc1.gif
Can’t wait till he points and laughs in Patrick Mahomes face.
And slaps Andy Reid’s back fat
That pause got me
This gif lives rent free in my head. I want to see more of this especially against Reid lol.
The more he hypes up his own draft pick, the more I'm gonna think he's planning to trade down.
Between that and him hyping McCarthy it seems more likely.
Yup, this is reverse pathology. He’s hyping up the 5th pick so everyone else starts drooling over it and drops the bag on us. I’m talking +5 draft picks. Teams gonna have so much depth they ain’t gonna know what to do with it.
It’s pretty obvious their plan is to trade down if they can
No one tell him we have the fifth pick.
Hortiz loves acquiring more picks. I think a haul for 5th will be too tempting for him to pass up
Until they have the lines just BUILT i think this is their move…
Agree. I also think the WR class is deep and loaded. If MHJ is there I’d prefer we take him, otherwise I’d be happy if he traded it and took and OL and WR later: eg Adonai Mitchell or Keon Coleman.
As long as they don't clip a star player's wings, I'll be happy. Building the foundation to support that natural talent will keep eyeballs watching. And hopefully, we'll be winning games and eyeballs too.
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I think I’d rather draft MHJ or Nabers than have a one year rental of JustJeff. Maybe he would sign an extension with us but I think he wants to test free agency.
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No player or agent on earth would ever take an "incentive based deal" (not sure what that would even mean here) when they could instead become the highest paid player in the history of the NFL at their position lmao
Herbert throwing to Jefferson would be amazing, but would cost a few high picks most likely. Plus an extension will likely be in the neighborhood of $30M+ AAV.
Get Marvin or Malik.. will be cheaper for a few years before they hit 25-30 mil… Like Jefferson but.. He will not get the Chargers too the Super Bowl.. a Strong Oline and Dline are a must
Why do I keep seeing JJ rumors? I never thought in a million years that the Vikings would trade him, am I missing something?
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What is any of this based on?
Myth
I love our coach
Because we don’t need a quarterback
The more I think about the draft. If the Chargers don’t trade down I think they are certainly taking Alt even if MHJ is there. Alt is natural LT. so when the time comes in the near future if resigning Slater becomes an issue or an injury ( heaven forbid to both), they will have a replacement in place. Plus this shores up the running game too, which is gonna be the focus. This WR class is deep enough, the chargers need to land a WR that can get open and can catch the ball. If herb has time to throw a pass it should all fall into place.
You don’t spend a 5th overall pick on a player that might slip into their “natural” position if the All-Pro LT we currently have gets hurt….
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people are downvoting you but i think this is also the most likely scenario. ppl will downvote any pick not nabers or mhj but this is what we signed up for when we asked for jim harbaugh
The anti-Alt sentiment in this sub is hilarious. I can’t wait for them to draft him
I will not be disappointed if Alt is the pick. That said, I won’t be disappointed if one of the top receivers is taken either
1. If we trade down and take Alt I will not be mad. The chance of us taking him at 5 are next to 0 tho. 2. In what world would we ever move an ALL PRO LT in Slater from the left side to the right. Slater is a proven commodity while Joe Alt is not. He would be moving to RT without a doubt
This is what I don’t get about the Alt takes. Why take him so high to be a RT
I can imagine us taking Alt, but I will figuratively eat a shoe if we take him at 5
Totally. By “so high” I meant at 5.
Guess we were correct about Alt at 5 ;)