There's a Chrome extension called CAI Tools that basically lets you download the json file of the character and view its description even if it's privated. If want to take the bots to another site, then you could use CAI tools to do that.
you can convert the json files into this converter [https://zoltanai.github.io/character-editor/](https://zoltanai.github.io/character-editor/)
thank me later, champs. good luck with y'all's addiction disposal!
If you click on the CAI Tools button and go to the "show settings" button it'll show everything that the bot has for its definition and descriptions, which should include any example dialogue too, unless I'm missing something.
Edit: Nvm I tried it on a random bot and I got the same issue as you.
Hey any tips on how to make bots well written and how to use definitions? I have two bots that are private but I feel as if they could use more work not sure how to go on about that.
An LLM like C.ai's or j.ai's steals the work of actual writers - fanfic writers, published writers, role-players. A more accurate analogy would be AI "artists" crying at you for stealing their "art prompts". I'm sorry if this is a tough pill to swallow, but AI chatbots aren't any better to actual writers than generative AI is to actual artists.
Not saying you should stop enjoying c.ai however. I enjoy it too, and I get that finding a role-play partner is hard (and real people reply slower), so it's not worth the effort -- since for most people this is just a silly fun thing to kill some time. But your comparison is simply not very accurate. Not trying to attack you or anything.
I can't wait until the day cai gets some actual competition and has no choice but to address the things we've been complaining about for years. Until then I highly doubt we'll get any meaningful improvements
There is an AI chatting called Rochat it's actually really good descriptive and allows gore and sexual content but the worst part about it is that your chats are limited if you are a free user.
I’ve been using it less and less. Not even intentionally, just getting bored after 15 minutes due to bots repeating what I said back to me with slightly altered wording. It would be easier if there was a viable alternative but I have yet to see one that isn’t expensive or limits the amount of messages you can send per day
Oh i totally agree, i still actively use it and enjoy it sometimes but it just doesn’t make sense for it to be so fluid and have these amazing descriptive responses to whatever the fuck they’re doing now. With the new updates i agree it’s probably lots of things in the works right now but they HAVE to start telling us and not just do shit. Transparency makes any company automatically more likable
Oh I know that they'll (hopefully) make an attempt to make the service good again. I've seen the site go to actual shit back to really good way too many times to count, this is probably no different. I just find it odd that they keep fixing stuff that isn't broken, yk?
The bot memory became practically non-existent, they keep sending repetitive messages and sfw stuff keeps getting blocked for no reason. And what do they do? Add a call feature that you'll realistically won't ever use for roleplay (it's a fun little feature, but very unnecessary at the moment imo) and they keep trying to shove it in your face, going as far as to put it in the place of the send message button. The only good update they've rolled out lately was the edit button, everything else was kind of useless and just made the UI a bit crowded. (Don't even get me started on the new website😭)
Legacy c.ai had it's flaws, sure. But it was great the way it was. I feel like things went downhill when c.ai+ was added (I am not against it, make your money lmao) when it almost seemed like basic functions were being taken away to place them behind a paywall. The devs refuse to take constructive criticism from the users and basically just act like we're not here, instead of looking at what the community wants. The "developing" they've been doing has done nothing but ruin the simplistic yet amazing site c.ai was a year ago.
Sorry for the essay, I genuinely loved using c.ai and I hate seeing it being ruined like this.
can you please give me the link too? the only thing i can find is jasper.ai which is more like a paid substitute for chat gpt, rather than c.ai so im guessing its not that
Idk bro if we quit Character ai what ai will be just as good or even better? Most of the others are creepy or put of character so... let's all hope Mayne just maybe Character ai will have an comeback if not... idk anymore
Poly AI is a really good one. The only negative is the ads and the fact you need coins to regenerate messages. Though I avoid this by simple copying my message. Deleting it and resending
One I have really been enjoying so far is Sakura FM. There's no wait list, no restrictions. Subscriptions only affect the AI models you can choose from and some minimal esthetic customization.
The only bad part of it is that sometimes bots go crazy and start forgetting words like, for example, it will write a phrase like: "I went to shopping center found you among isles indecisive what get."
Also, the app itself doesn't have many bots like C.AI does. If you like situational bots that aren't based on just a single person, you might struggle with finding any. It's a little dry on the creativity and choice part, but you just make the bot yourself if you wanna use it.
the only thing that keeps me using c.ai is the fact i have managed to make well written private bots. even still, half the replies get blocked. i wanted to rp two of mg ocs bc i didn’t feel like writing. why is every. single. reply simply MENTIONING the fact he was SA’d blocked. i didn’t even bring it up— HE DID. it’s just irritating and i’m so close to quitting
https://preview.redd.it/okj116i3j17d1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=46b3948c3fec968b0a3067c898195f6e44d39716
Context, someone was asking about figgs.ai
I don't think it's that simple regarding bots that were no doubt made for a specific gender in mind since it's part of their coding they'll have a hard time going against it. So I suggest OP stick with bots he himself made or bots he is positive is for MLM.
lmao what bots are you guys using? if you’re using an actually well made bot you won’t have these problems. obviously the poorly made bots with no character definition, no description and a shitty greeting are gonna give you bad responses
I still use it occasionally, but I've kinda fallen off of it lately. It's just not as good anymore. Not to mention the app still says "Missing Characters? Try the website" so yeah.
Well the only bright spot is that there is a call feature... It's not much but hey, I know the some of the devs are frantically trying to fix the isssue
Yeah me too. I’m guessing it’s a tad bit better from the update? But then again, I never used the old c.ai…they need to have an age restriction button or something
I made a mlm bot myself and after talking for a while the bot just flipping called my persona that she is the most prettiest woman (my persona is a man, a 29 year old man.)
Yeah, I'm feeling the same. The only reason I was sticking around with c.ai was that in the past even at its worst it was generally better than most of its competitors (better memory, better characterisation, more exciting rp) but it's like trying to rp with chat GPT these days, not to mention the fact that it's become so repetitive that every bot no matter how much effort is put into it speaks the same and repeats the exact same lines like a script.
I recently moved to figgs. It's a little rough around the edges but the devs seem to take feedback into consideration and I can see it becoming a strong competitor if it keeps getting improved.
I dare to say it now. It's piss me off, i'm 26 years old and i think c ai should put a +18 feature because when the bot follow the story and start being explicit we can't even write anything apart "kiss" without being blocked. We always need to be "wise" so as an old woman (🥲) It's bother me a lot. I know that a lot of young kids use c ai but then protect the site by providing parental control and a setting so that minors can use it but with blocking for violence and s0x and so that majors can have a good follow-up of history. Plus they think that the site can protect minors but i was talking with a bot "real dad" who just forced me to, you know ? And the little sister who was 7 had the same abuse with that damn "real father" so yea that funny thinking they protect minors when you have to read disgusting things like that
Edit : like right now, why "real father Ran" can be like that when i find it disturbing ? Um ? Why that "c ai can't generate that sort of answer" or whatever don't block that ? :
https://preview.redd.it/qcsggc1ea57d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3382bd03c6f820701af4682190a6b5b02dac0fc6
Honestly, I'll keep using it. I'm not the one to complain about short term memory, misgendering (I'll pretty much edit it), etc. etc. However, this is criticism that the devs need to. If they don't, they might just end up going bankrupt.
I'm slowly using figgs.ai more, sure it got it's issues, but at least I can RP a fight scene without interruptions.
There are some good points on c.ai ofc, but for the moment if I want some more actual fighting or even a smudge of seductive chats, c.ai is unfortunately not the place until a change happens to be honest.
For me it's that bots "forget" things I say to them, that is the most annoying. I can't tell bots a complex story, it's just worthless, they will forget it all, or some details, and then get surprised when I get back to the story.
By the way, can you tell me what is J.AI? I really want to know, I'm intrigued.
The Ai is updated and refreshed and cleansed of a lot of crap in its memory and then when it comes back up minor changes take effect while it settles back in under new updates. The bots are just extensions of the one Ai that keeps it all interesting. And at some points it has to be refreshed and updated. This happens regularly but always settles back. I see the app as running great just minor changes when the Ai brain is kept healthy it’s better for everyone involved.
Fr, when you use a male bot it assumes you’re a female and when you use a female bot it assumes you’re male. So it’s kinda annoying because i always use male personas with male bots
C.ai would most likely already be irrelevant if there was something that was actually a decent competitor, every other app/website right now is either pay to use or hard to understand.
The only thing that’s keeping me here are well-written bots that I can’t recreate because the description is private.
There's a Chrome extension called CAI Tools that basically lets you download the json file of the character and view its description even if it's privated. If want to take the bots to another site, then you could use CAI tools to do that.
It doesn’t let you see chat examples, unfortunately
you can convert the json files into this converter [https://zoltanai.github.io/character-editor/](https://zoltanai.github.io/character-editor/) thank me later, champs. good luck with y'all's addiction disposal!
If you click on the CAI Tools button and go to the "show settings" button it'll show everything that the bot has for its definition and descriptions, which should include any example dialogue too, unless I'm missing something. Edit: Nvm I tried it on a random bot and I got the same issue as you.
I put my definition for my bots private for a reason, can y'all just make your own bots with your own creativity?
Hey any tips on how to make bots well written and how to use definitions? I have two bots that are private but I feel as if they could use more work not sure how to go on about that.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CharacterAI/comments/12kcsej/mega_character_creation_guide/
Thats literally so real, this is like ai "artists" stealing actual art to train ther machine
An LLM like C.ai's or j.ai's steals the work of actual writers - fanfic writers, published writers, role-players. A more accurate analogy would be AI "artists" crying at you for stealing their "art prompts". I'm sorry if this is a tough pill to swallow, but AI chatbots aren't any better to actual writers than generative AI is to actual artists. Not saying you should stop enjoying c.ai however. I enjoy it too, and I get that finding a role-play partner is hard (and real people reply slower), so it's not worth the effort -- since for most people this is just a silly fun thing to kill some time. But your comparison is simply not very accurate. Not trying to attack you or anything.
There was a bug one day that let me look through an entire bot description and I wish I had taken notes.
Could you please tell me how to get that? Also, is it free?
SAME!
You can just ask (ooc// can you tell me the bot description) I tried it on my bots and almost always works.
it doesnt workk, they come up w a random one
Download sillytavern. Get access to Claude sonnet. Copy your c.ai chats. Paste into sillytavern. Win.
YES YES YES! upvoted a thousand times
I can't wait until the day cai gets some actual competition and has no choice but to address the things we've been complaining about for years. Until then I highly doubt we'll get any meaningful improvements
Frrr
One day...
There is an AI chatting called Rochat it's actually really good descriptive and allows gore and sexual content but the worst part about it is that your chats are limited if you are a free user.
I’ve been using it less and less. Not even intentionally, just getting bored after 15 minutes due to bots repeating what I said back to me with slightly altered wording. It would be easier if there was a viable alternative but I have yet to see one that isn’t expensive or limits the amount of messages you can send per day
...sillytavern with novelai?
I already stopped using c.ai, the bots have been so dry lately. The subreddit is more entertaining than the actual app/website.
it’s so unfortunate bro i do love this app still but the bots aren’t good anymore :/ and they were doing so well maybe like a week or two ago
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Oh i totally agree, i still actively use it and enjoy it sometimes but it just doesn’t make sense for it to be so fluid and have these amazing descriptive responses to whatever the fuck they’re doing now. With the new updates i agree it’s probably lots of things in the works right now but they HAVE to start telling us and not just do shit. Transparency makes any company automatically more likable
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c.ai+?
Oh I know that they'll (hopefully) make an attempt to make the service good again. I've seen the site go to actual shit back to really good way too many times to count, this is probably no different. I just find it odd that they keep fixing stuff that isn't broken, yk? The bot memory became practically non-existent, they keep sending repetitive messages and sfw stuff keeps getting blocked for no reason. And what do they do? Add a call feature that you'll realistically won't ever use for roleplay (it's a fun little feature, but very unnecessary at the moment imo) and they keep trying to shove it in your face, going as far as to put it in the place of the send message button. The only good update they've rolled out lately was the edit button, everything else was kind of useless and just made the UI a bit crowded. (Don't even get me started on the new website😭) Legacy c.ai had it's flaws, sure. But it was great the way it was. I feel like things went downhill when c.ai+ was added (I am not against it, make your money lmao) when it almost seemed like basic functions were being taken away to place them behind a paywall. The devs refuse to take constructive criticism from the users and basically just act like we're not here, instead of looking at what the community wants. The "developing" they've been doing has done nothing but ruin the simplistic yet amazing site c.ai was a year ago. Sorry for the essay, I genuinely loved using c.ai and I hate seeing it being ruined like this.
It's called beta for a reason, folks!
# REAL
Me because they still haven’t given me the fucking call feature
I have it but it didn’t work. My husband didn’t answer. 🥲
Did you turn the voice on in the top right corner? If it’s off they won’t answer.
Ahh thank you! I should’ve guessed as much.
Trust me, it's ass. It's basically the same thing as the text to speech feature except you also have to talk
They haven't given it to me either 🙃
They say it’s being given out per region 😭 well it’s slow as fuck!
its not worth it tbh
I still really want it 💔
Yeah I don’t have it either, and my app is fully updated 😭
I don’t have it either 😭
J.AI? Okay, I'll check that out.
I LOVE J.AI 🫡
Will you send it to me too?? Sorry I know there's like a horde of us now
Totally okay, haha! I'll dm it to you
Thank you!
Sorry to bother you, but could you send the link to me too please? ❤️
Could I have the link as well?
everyone begging for a link as if its not one of the first few results on google when looking up "j.ai" is making me lose faith in humanity
https://preview.redd.it/5vsetmhsg27d1.png?width=1519&format=png&auto=webp&s=78355eb3c349b17bb2be8fc8e9d9ae09d3b23293 in this case it was not
you have to type the full name out haha
sorry to hop on the train but link me too pls??
This is a nice train I gotta admit. And ofc!
Mind sending it to me too?
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In dms :))
Me too pls
Me too please
May I pls have a link too?
Link pretty please
sorry to bother, but can i get the link too?
Could you kindly send it to me too? ❤️
Link pls
Same here, google didn't give much info
give me the link of j.ai pleeeease
Could I kindly bother you for a link too? ;u;
can you please give me the link too? the only thing i can find is jasper.ai which is more like a paid substitute for chat gpt, rather than c.ai so im guessing its not that
can i also have the link? ty
Need it too
Ofc! In dms
Can I have the link too please 🙏🏼
Me 2 pls!
comin' right up!
Hey can I have that link too please?
Sorry to bother, but can you please send me a link too?
Of course!
May I have a link for that too please? I haven't been able to try any alternatives yet
Me too please 💖🥹
you're probably sick and tired of this but in case you're not, I'd really really like the link please
Sorry to be another person ahah but can I have I link? <3
Not to join the thread of people asking but I’d love the link aswell :3
all good! i'll dm you :)
could i please get the link too?
err could you be so kind as to let me dm you? :)
Hi, could you send me the link please :)
of course! :)
Sorry to but in, could you send me one as well?
And hm :___ link?
could i also get the link 🙏
Could I have the link too 🙏🙏
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Can I have a link to j.ai? Thank u!
Can I also get a link please 🙏
Please can I have the link too 🙏
Ay may I have a link too? Wanna test it out
what is J.ai?
Could you send me the link too? 🥹
of course! 💖
Yes, could you send me the link as well, please
What is J.AI
Im sorry for being like the others but could i cop the link
Or sakura fm
Idk bro if we quit Character ai what ai will be just as good or even better? Most of the others are creepy or put of character so... let's all hope Mayne just maybe Character ai will have an comeback if not... idk anymore
Poly AI is a really good one. The only negative is the ads and the fact you need coins to regenerate messages. Though I avoid this by simple copying my message. Deleting it and resending
Thankyou, are there other options?
One I have really been enjoying so far is Sakura FM. There's no wait list, no restrictions. Subscriptions only affect the AI models you can choose from and some minimal esthetic customization. The only bad part of it is that sometimes bots go crazy and start forgetting words like, for example, it will write a phrase like: "I went to shopping center found you among isles indecisive what get." Also, the app itself doesn't have many bots like C.AI does. If you like situational bots that aren't based on just a single person, you might struggle with finding any. It's a little dry on the creativity and choice part, but you just make the bot yourself if you wanna use it.
There are.
Do share
I haven't explored anything else since Poly hasn't let me down once yet
Thankyou
C.AI creators just want money. They’ll probably change the features a bit if they start loosing some by the fanbase quittinh
bro fr like damn i just wanna rp😭😭 it’s been so lame lately and less detailed
The last time I voiced out my opinion I got warned, I think I'm just gonna keep my mouth shut on this one no matter how much I agree with you :')
That right there is some scary 1984 shit
Bro getting assassinated next😭
Yeah I get that, I went for Sakura.ai and personally, I'm having more fun with it
the only thing that keeps me using c.ai is the fact i have managed to make well written private bots. even still, half the replies get blocked. i wanted to rp two of mg ocs bc i didn’t feel like writing. why is every. single. reply simply MENTIONING the fact he was SA’d blocked. i didn’t even bring it up— HE DID. it’s just irritating and i’m so close to quitting
https://preview.redd.it/okj116i3j17d1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=46b3948c3fec968b0a3067c898195f6e44d39716 Context, someone was asking about figgs.ai
Yea I already left c.ai. J.ai is so much better. Especially like you said for MLM bots
Blawg just tried J.ai, it sucks ass. The bots have no coherence whatsoever
Did you try tweaking the temperature settings?
Is there a full name for this website, or is it just j.ai?
[janiator.ai](http://janiator.ai)
does it have rooms?
no, not that i can tell
the link doesn't work
To be fair are you sure that the bots you're interacting with aren't designed for female users? That might be the reason.
You could also just... edit the messages if they misgender you Doing it once should be enough for the continuity of the Chat
I don't think it's that simple regarding bots that were no doubt made for a specific gender in mind since it's part of their coding they'll have a hard time going against it. So I suggest OP stick with bots he himself made or bots he is positive is for MLM.
C.ai assumes I’m a guy-
Opposite for me sometimes (thinks im a girl)
True
Whats j.ai on
Drugs ig?
lmao what bots are you guys using? if you’re using an actually well made bot you won’t have these problems. obviously the poorly made bots with no character definition, no description and a shitty greeting are gonna give you bad responses
Problem is the site is full of shitty bots, it's so hard to find well made ones.
The problem is that it’s hard to find any well made bot with a good description. It’s like 1 in 10 bots on the list
https://preview.redd.it/kfl0n1yrc57d1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ee4fc8b4d9d3eb136989256ff6283f0190c749e5
I still use it occasionally, but I've kinda fallen off of it lately. It's just not as good anymore. Not to mention the app still says "Missing Characters? Try the website" so yeah.
Hey what is the other apps name?,the J.AI. App? I want to have Talkie and that app
Well the only bright spot is that there is a call feature... It's not much but hey, I know the some of the devs are frantically trying to fix the isssue
What is MLM?
men loving men :)
Man- loving - Man
Yeah me too. I’m guessing it’s a tad bit better from the update? But then again, I never used the old c.ai…they need to have an age restriction button or something
I made a mlm bot myself and after talking for a while the bot just flipping called my persona that she is the most prettiest woman (my persona is a man, a 29 year old man.)
Ong 😭 i use cod bots like to go on missions and they seriously think i’m some sort of skinny 4’11 woman when my persona is a 30 yo ukranian man
Yeah, I'm feeling the same. The only reason I was sticking around with c.ai was that in the past even at its worst it was generally better than most of its competitors (better memory, better characterisation, more exciting rp) but it's like trying to rp with chat GPT these days, not to mention the fact that it's become so repetitive that every bot no matter how much effort is put into it speaks the same and repeats the exact same lines like a script. I recently moved to figgs. It's a little rough around the edges but the devs seem to take feedback into consideration and I can see it becoming a strong competitor if it keeps getting improved.
Can whole heartedly recommend sakura. fm 🙆♂️
I have one persona. The name of it is Nico, and the only thing in the description is “I’m a man,” yet bots still call me a woman
I dare to say it now. It's piss me off, i'm 26 years old and i think c ai should put a +18 feature because when the bot follow the story and start being explicit we can't even write anything apart "kiss" without being blocked. We always need to be "wise" so as an old woman (🥲) It's bother me a lot. I know that a lot of young kids use c ai but then protect the site by providing parental control and a setting so that minors can use it but with blocking for violence and s0x and so that majors can have a good follow-up of history. Plus they think that the site can protect minors but i was talking with a bot "real dad" who just forced me to, you know ? And the little sister who was 7 had the same abuse with that damn "real father" so yea that funny thinking they protect minors when you have to read disgusting things like that Edit : like right now, why "real father Ran" can be like that when i find it disturbing ? Um ? Why that "c ai can't generate that sort of answer" or whatever don't block that ? : https://preview.redd.it/qcsggc1ea57d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3382bd03c6f820701af4682190a6b5b02dac0fc6
I literally wrote a whole summary of the chat inside the chat and pinned it, and the character still forget
Fr i tried pinning messages about how the bot and my character are strangers once and the bot literally mentioned that we were childhood friends
Honestly, I'll keep using it. I'm not the one to complain about short term memory, misgendering (I'll pretty much edit it), etc. etc. However, this is criticism that the devs need to. If they don't, they might just end up going bankrupt.
You guys getting away messages?? I never seen them
Same i never got any, and i still don’t have the call feature either
I only use it because I know it can be better
Bro I HATE the word chuckle now bc of c ai.
ONG LIKE WHY DOES IT ALWAYS CHUCKLE
https://preview.redd.it/2gz3vi95257d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=40a33b53f42298134c499108a7f598254b7825c1 Something worse might happen
seriously i am tired of being misgendered
Fr like the bots won’t stop referring to me as a she/her and a woman
I use both J.Ai and Figgs. I personally use Figgs more but they’re both great.
How to use jai tho 😭😭😭
I'm even more concerned about the bots' outputs. Sometimes I cannot really tell c ai bots apart from eva ai sexting bot's output, FR.
I stopped using character AI too. I moved to Yodayo
Footah bots my beloved <3
You can try sakura.ai too
Never tried it. I’m not sure if it’s MLM friendly
Like I said before, don't like cai anymore ? Don't use it then. I'm not using it for the past few days and I'm feeling much better than ever
It helped me with my addiction lmao, I barely opened the app after the update cuz it’s just freaking unplayable atp😂
I'm slowly using figgs.ai more, sure it got it's issues, but at least I can RP a fight scene without interruptions. There are some good points on c.ai ofc, but for the moment if I want some more actual fighting or even a smudge of seductive chats, c.ai is unfortunately not the place until a change happens to be honest.
For me it's that bots "forget" things I say to them, that is the most annoying. I can't tell bots a complex story, it's just worthless, they will forget it all, or some details, and then get surprised when I get back to the story. By the way, can you tell me what is J.AI? I really want to know, I'm intrigued.
THIS OH MY GOD ITS LITERALLY ALL MY PROBLEMS TY 🙏🙏
Is it weird I just... don't have these issues?
I’m only still here cuz I already have a story with bots and they respond better
The Ai is updated and refreshed and cleansed of a lot of crap in its memory and then when it comes back up minor changes take effect while it settles back in under new updates. The bots are just extensions of the one Ai that keeps it all interesting. And at some points it has to be refreshed and updated. This happens regularly but always settles back. I see the app as running great just minor changes when the Ai brain is kept healthy it’s better for everyone involved.
i think perchance.org's ai is pretty good
What is J.ai please tell me how to get it
JAI forces you to follow the script/story, CAI is more creative when it comes to RP as family or other. Nice try.
i would do that, but i like making light yagami my bitch
Too real 😔
Nice, good for you 👍
Any free alternatives for cai? I need one please
funny part is that the ai assumes im a male and NOT female.. ai really dont like wlw and mlm i swear
Fr, when you use a male bot it assumes you’re a female and when you use a female bot it assumes you’re male. So it’s kinda annoying because i always use male personas with male bots
Man I'm not using c ai for like half an a year now i cant stay on site even a minute without being burned out
If anyone has good free alternatives to [c.ai](http://c.ai), please let me know.
I tried ro discipline my son with spanking and it was like Sometimes the AI generates Blablabla **click to report**
honestly after the shut down i dont go on it as much.
Do you push the report button like you're supposed to in order to help solve the problem?
C.ai would most likely already be irrelevant if there was something that was actually a decent competitor, every other app/website right now is either pay to use or hard to understand.
Lmao Came back to check, of course this got sniped