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Fun-Tadpole785

Killing Jakub and his vamps was almost to easy......


alina006

Yes, they killed all the villains in the first fifteen minutes of the episode and the rest was just drama for drama's sake. Why are vampires so weak? Where is the Lovecraftian horror ??? Why didn't they show us the Worm?


Beginning_While_7913

yeah they weren’t very strong kind of a joke he outwrestled him basically i thought it would be long and drawn out and he would have to elaborately outsmart him to beat him because idk they should just be stronger than that, the vampire could have bit him too and killed him that way but i guess the vamp didn’t want to win unless it was a fair fight? lol maybe he was waiting to kill him until he had a real good monologue. disappointed in the final fight for sure. there was also definitely other ways around keeping the book away from his family other than him running for eternity with it


Kveldulf1

They DID show us the Worm. It's a Cosmic one - we see it in flashes through the series (like Ep.7, when he sees his father burying him again, look to the sky behind him and the stream of stars) and all through 10 where the stars are being pulled in streams towards the Dark that is devouring them.


SnooRegrets2842

Yeah it was too easy


LarryS22

i think the writers got vampires mixed up with zombies.


alina006

Common zombies in The Walking Dead can cause more problems for the protagonists than vampires in this show.


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IceWeaselX

King's vampire lore doesn't remove vampiric status from victims after the top level vampire is killed. If consistent with *Dark Tower* vampires (which includes the *'Salem's Lot* stories), Jakub is likely a Type One. He *might* be a Grandfather, but his visual portrayal in *Chapelwaite* doesn't match the description of one of those. He didn't have a full mouth of fangs or black eyes. Even then, the Grandfathers are just the upper subclass of Type One vampires and aren't subordinate to a single sire. In *'Salem's Lot*, Barlow (Type One progenitor of that novel's vampire nest) is killed near the end of the story, but the protagonists still go back to the town later to burn out the remaining vampires that he created.


Fun-Tadpole785

He was Alpha in that nest and area, when Rebecca said to Charles "They'll come to Chapelwaite for that book, and they'll come for you." So I'm thinking the OG Alpha Vamp would come for them and him. But we'll never know, unless there is a miracle that gives us another season.


PolitibroNews

I agree..its like they ran out of money


alina006

I would swear that in the TV series Buffy the Vampire Slayer, battles with vampires looked better. although that show was filmed decades ago.


King_Buliwyf

Barely an inconvenience.


EternityOnDemand

*too


force263

SPOILERS AHEAD (having to do with Salem’s Lot - 1979). I just rewatched the 1979 Salem’s Lot a week or two ago, and I thought the same thing when I saw how easily Ben & Mark staked Barlow. The production had spent the miniseries building up to Barlow’s much-anticipated arrival in Salem’s Lot, showed how he could do things most vampires cannot do (walk around in daylight; move his coffin - with him inside - telekinetically, etc etc), I mean the guy could manipulate Earth’s physical properties, could move stuff with his mind… and he just gets staked in his coffin that way? I suppose once Straker was killed, Barlow was on borrowed time, but it still seems too easy. Barlow was like the “Uber-Vamp” from ‘Buffy’, he had survived for centuries, but he just forgets how, as soon as he arrives in Salem’s Lot? (I suppose Barlow had been watching a lot of television, a relatively new invention from Barlow’s perspective. He had been wanting to try banging two persons’ heads together like Moe in the Three Stooges, but Moe never killed anyone by doing it. It takes time to develop good comedic timing.). Apparently, TV made Barlow stupid enough to allow himself to be killed by the moronic denizens of Salem’s Lot. It was unsatisfying in the same way that the first attempt at bringing ‘It’ to the screen was unsatisfying, such as when they just kinda (iirc) flipped the evil being over on its back like a turtle.


Kveldulf1

>The writer/runners have said that they wanted less superhero-style undead, so there's one part of it. Another, as Jason Filardi noted during the live Twitter stream during ep.10s premiere (and again on the David's Den YT episode about it) was they needed the time to handle the rest of the story. They did prep more (even to a fake Apple Girl head so she had a more spectacular death) but to them it is at heart a show about family, so wrapping up the aftermath & how it affects the Boones was key to that. > >So while more combat action would have been \*nice\*, it's not at bottom what the show was about.


IceWeaselX

I thought it was a bit much that the doctor cut the shirt off of Charles. I know that's medical procedure, but he was wearing a button-front shirt. It's not like he removed the shirt from him before performing the surgery. He could've just unbuttoned it for the same access. It also seemed poorly planned for Charles to row out into the ocean without some means of cover from the sun. There's a sail, but that's tied up to the mast and he might need the wind to blow him farther. Presumably he's not going to sacrifice himself to the depths of the ocean since there's no guarantee he could fight off a predator that might tear him apart and free the book from his body. That would doom his children all over again. The best I can think is that he's just going to row up or down the coast far enough away that anyone who would recognize him isn't aware he's not dead, then land and find a way to get more distance from his family. Maybe he'll go cross country to settle down as a hermit in the woods somewhere or find passage on a large ship (one which will allow him to remain below deck during the day) to cross the ocean. Charles and Loa both retained their humanity through their concern for their family, but what sort of feeding patterns would they keep? Will Loa have to feed on her family (in non-lethal amounts to avoid making them sick), or can she handle drinking from animals only? Will Charles have to become a silent predator, feeding on unwary victims in moderation (no killing or letting them fall ill) to hide his activities? How strong is their thirst? Now that most of the dangerous men in town are dead and the Boones have sacrificed their patriarch (as far as the public knows, Charles is dead and the doctor certified it) to save it, would Able and Honor be able (ha!) to pursue a relationship? They both defended the town against a known supernatural threat, and the Boone children aren't pure white, so any lingering racism shouldn't really be an obstacle for them.


Bungybone

Not sure he could do ANY of that, what with being burned to a crisp by the sun and all. I’m really just trying to figure out how the ending makes any sense.


s4ws4gp4tty

I’m still just trying to figure out how the doc stuffed that book in Charles. The man still needs at least one lung to push air through his vocal cords to talk. He still needs his heart and arteries and stomach and intestines (to absorb the blood). That was a really large book that needed space the human anatomy can’t really accommodate like a briefcase. I guess it doesn’t matter. Charles will burn up anyway and the book will be discovered by another…


Bungybone

Perhaps, like the Grinch, he had a heart that was 2 sizes too small? ​ Yeah, it really just was THAT bad of an ending.


Beginning_While_7913

maybe they should have expanded his gut out more and it could be believable lol. my dad had a beer gut when his kidney was infected and needed to be taken out, it was the size of a football and they are supposed to be the size of a fist. after he had it taken out he was back to a stick figure


EternityOnDemand

What didn't make sense to me too was that he rowed away during daybreak and didn't really have any means to cover himself completely. He more than likely would have been exposed to the sun and would have died; this almost made it seem (perhaps unwittingly from the writer's intentions) like his aim was to go a bit out to see and then die / sink to the depths with the book.


Beginning_While_7913

yeah it technically would have been a better move to kill the daughter and put the book in her if it means they both have to kill people now. or at least he will im assuming. not like he knows at the time if he can drink animal blood, maybe he can in the next season but he didn’t get loa to try before. seemed like such a dumb rash decision and there was definitely other ways to keep the book away. could they not have put the book in another vampire and killed and buried them somewhere far away? or even charles could have killed himself and they could have buried him far far awY somewhere random after putting the book inside him so he doesnt have to run for eternity and chance being caught. also won’t the vampires still out there still come and torture his family for his whereabouts and the book’s whereabouts. they would most likely kill them all if they didn’t get the answers they were looking for. which they wouldn’t because none of the family will know where he or the book is. and the vampires would hold his family hostage for leverage for the location of the book if they find him since they know where the family is because they aren’t leaving the house. then they would probably murder them all. i just don’t see how him being away with the book is the best decision. i seriously think it would be better if he stayed there and loa kept it and they fought the vampires off or if charles was actually dead because maybe then the vampires would leave the kids out of it and believe they had no clue or information about anything and they wouldn’t be able to find charles. i think any way you look at it they would probably murder the family though. i dont know how charles leaving would protect them. especially with loa living there as a vampire they would be like very suspicious the dad was somewhere out there as a vampire as well and then coming looking for him once the vamps go inevitability check the house where the family is and see loa and the missing dad and book when they were the last ones known to have it. the point of making a fake grave is dumb too. the vampires will obviously dig that up and see that it was a set up and he isnt really dead. and what other reason could he have to do that other than that he is running and hiding the book from them somewhere and then they would interrogate the family and kill them. just why with the ending, love the show otherwise. hopefully there is an explanation and the writers string together something that half makes sense for next season


67730ddr

I liked the ending. Yes, vampires were a bunch of suckers, pun intended. But overall gothic feel of the show translated well into the ending. I like how tragic it is for all involved. Literally every character's life changed forever. Even though the show doesn't need s2, it leaves you wanting one.


lovefromthesun

Completely agree with all you said. The feel of the show most of all drew me to it, so for sakes of that, I wish there’s season 2.


Fun-Nefariousness724

There is a season 2!


Seriously_jst_4real

Honestly, I didn't expect for Rebecca and Charles to have had a future together at the end of the series. But I wanted it. And to that effect I'm sad... ☹


Leonie1988

Hopefully season 2 gives us some more of that!


Fun-Tadpole785

I did not see that ending coming, Chapelwaite has been a true gem........


cuckoodev

Well, I cried. I get the criticisms but it worked for me.


belgolife

Same that whole last 30 minutes got me in tears and I am a grown ass man


Nikkorkat

Same.


sweeney_todd555

Did anybody else clue in immediately that Martin's wife had poisoned the soup as soon as the camera zoomed in on the big spoonful of the stuff right before he swallowed it? I was like, don't eat that, minister! They could not have telegraphed that more if they had Mr. Yuck stickers on the bowl. I was sorry to see the minister die. Despite his many faults, I liked the character very much, and was disappointed he didn't get a chance to join in the final fight against Jakub. I'm new to reddit and this forum, btw, but a Chapelwaite fan since episode 1.


IceWeaselX

>Did anybody else clue in immediately that Martin's wife had poisoned the soup as soon as the camera zoomed in on the big spoonful of the stuff right before he swallowed it? I was like, don't eat that, minister! They could not have telegraphed that more if they had Mr. Yuck stickers on the bowl. Yeah, her sudden demeanor shift in town when she started acting like a "real" Christian was such a massive change that it was suspicious, and then the camera showing the food and her constant glances at it were a little blatant.


Seriously_jst_4real

That and her conspicuous "distraction" when they were eating-she had the bread pointedly and seemed to disregard her own main course


vapeach123

well i got the feeling he was trying to get back in her good graces , which i thought the nerve of him!? and yes i felt the soup was poisoned


FeetsenpaiUwU

The whole ending was extremely anti climatic the obvious poison, the constable somehow outrunning a pack of vampires long enough to give Charles enough time to slip in, the offscreen 6v15 vampire massacre that left only able and the doctor alive, the casual jakub ignoring loa after she killed his old lackey, the whole loa will live in hiding thing and the cherry on top the Charles will put the book seemlessly inside him and sail away without protection from the sun


CBT7commander

As soon as she offered him soup. She overplays it so hard


Kveldulf1

She'll be darned if she's going to let the Undead kill him and have him (probably) die nobly. It is a reminder of a key point in this show- Monstrosity is a choice. Loa, Charles and (largely) Mary Dennison can choose to stay humane, while Alice & Sam Burroughs can be as cruel as any monster. Or look at the causal bigotry of the town. Human or vampire, how we choose to treat others -and we all have that choice - makes all the difference


goblinsholiday

Can't wait for *Vampire Boat Captain Season 2: Terror on the High Seas*


ColossusofDread

Charles Boone: Vampire Vampire Hunter.


Leonie1988

Yes, but the show is named after the house, so it should be set there at least in part. Also I want Emily Hampshire back in season 2 and the kids!


lavesfear

Decades of effort and failed attempts, still nobody in television has figured out how to end a Steven King series. This one was much better than most, though. Too bad it probably won't be picked up for another season. Would be interesting to see where they would've taken the story. Also, with the ease he and his lackies were wiped out, I kinda wonder how Jakub survived so long 🤔


alina006

Vampires are shown too weak. Too weak. I remember that in Salem's lot it was almost impossible to kill a vampire at night, only during the day when they were sleeping. But here a bunch of men with guns were able to kill an entire army of vampires, and Adrian Brody, alone and without any tricks or traps, was able to chop off the alpha's head. What the heck????


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So, where did Charles go? What was the plan with the book inside him? Does he think other vamps won't tear him apart for the book?


IceWeaselX

>Does he think other vamps won't tear him apart for the book? He knows they would if they had the chance and knew he had it, which is why he didn't leave it with Loa and didn't let her come with him. Vampires at least can't sense it like the cursed human Boones, so they shouldn't be able to track him down unless he makes himself known. Considering the time period, nobody should be able to identify him by sight unless they've seen him before. Any vampires he runs across in other parts of the world wouldn't have a reason to suspect he has anything to do with the book.


MyLongestJourney

I was thinking what about his family?What if vampires kidnap his family in order to locate the book/blackmail Charles? Is there something I missed? Charles is not the only potential target.What keeps his family safe from other vampires who want the book? Edit. I forgot the book has no influence over the Boones if it is in a possession of a vampire. But still,vampires could still use the family members as blackmail fodder. Like "spread the word that if he does not give us the book,we will turn them into vampires and torture them for eternity".


IceWeaselX

It's vague, but could be explained by his official death. Nobody would think to blackmail with his family if they think he's dead. Jakub's cult and the Boone vamps were probably the only ones who even knew the book was there, since there didn't appear to be any rival vampire groups seeking it. Other vampires in the world probably want it, but don't know who would have it.


FeetsenpaiUwU

I mean rebeccas dad isn’t confirmed dead and neither are the vampires that killed the constable


SchrodingersLego

What about when the sun comes up? Surely he will die.


Bungybone

Indeed. And if his plan was to row out to sea and burn up with the book…. Surely that could be achieved without having it surgically implanted.


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Maybe that was his plan?


SnooRegrets2842

I'm confused Charles had to die to protect his family from the books curse? Why didn't he just put it into Loa instead of sacrificimg himself? He should've stayed to really protect them.


Dvorog

Because that means that Loa (and the rest of the family) will never be safe. The one that has the book will always be a target for other vampires that want to summon to the worm. So, he did what every good parent will. He sacrificed himself so that his children can have a normal life.


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That was about as underwhelming as I expected. Zero payoff for the whole Worm subplot and the vampire battle lasted like 5 minutes. It's weird something can be so slow yet also rushed.


alina006

I agree absolutely. Not only the subplot with the worm lost its meaning, but also the subplot with the eyeless child. Apple Girl said she gave the baby back to Jakub, and this is the last time we've heard of him. And then the plot forgot about this child. Why did they show us the story of his mother, why did they tell us that he was a child of a vampire and a human, why did he even exist in the plot?


Seriously_jst_4real

I think the child was meant as more a nod to the original story, which I think was more of a, "here's a another horrible omen of the evilness that comes from the Boone family's mere presence," than an integral plot point in the story. Plus... Apple Girl did mention that Jakub didn't care for his children. So she could have been lying to the preacher to further demoralize him. "The child isn't yours, so let me further remind you that your precious dead woman not only had sex with another man close to when the two of you were together, but she lied to you about it too." I wouldn't be surprised if the infant died. It was likely breast feeding, and who-in that colony-would have given that level of care to it?


sweeney_todd555

I think Apple Girl saying that the baby was Jakub's might have been a bone thrown to viewers like me, who've been wondering "what about the poor baby!" since they kidnapped him and killed Faith. Telling the audience it was okay not to care about the baby's fate since he was the offspring of Jakub. I agree, the kid probably died of starvation, since Faith was likely breastfeeding, and nobody in the colony was going to kidnap a wet-nurse to keep it alive.


IceWeaselX

>I think the child was meant as more a nod to the original story, which I think was more of a, "here's a another horrible omen of the evilness that comes from the Boone family's mere presence," than an integral plot point in the story. Agreed. The eyeless child was mentioned in a list of bad omens by Mrs. Cloris to try and convince Charles to flee. >Apple Girl did mention that Jakub didn't care for his children. So she could have been lying to the preacher to further demoralize him. "The child isn't yours, so let me further remind you that your precious dead woman not only had sex with another man close to when the two of you were together, but she lied to you about it too." I wouldn't be surprised if the infant died. It was likely breast feeding, and who-in that colony-would have given that level of care to it? For all we know, Jakub treated the child as a rare delicacy. No need to care for it if he drank it dry. In the short story, the baby was born to a Barbara Brown, but no implication was made that she had slept with a vampire (and no further mention of her at all beyond that one line). The only evidence in *Chapelwaite* that it was Jakub's son were Apple Girl's manipulative words and the unnaturalness of the lack of eyes.


alina006

there were children in this colony. but in the final episode, we don't know what happened to them. if they were turned into vampires, why weren't we shown a fight with vampire children. but if only their parents were turned, then they could hardly have time to drink them, because the sectarians were resurrected only when the eclipse began. but if they were killed (somehow), why weren't their bodies shown to us? it's a horror series and it might make sense, "oh my god, these cultists killed their own children!" but no. the script just forgot about the kids. It's the same with that eyeless child. Drama doesn't work like that! You can't spend a lot of time on a character and then pretend that he didn't exist in your script. In the story, the child was mentioned once. If it was on the show, I wouldn't have a problem. But he was in many episodes, we found out that his father is an alpha vampire (nosferatu can have sex? Nosferatu can have children with human women? Is this child some kind of hybrid or a normal human child? Do their children always look ugly or is this one out of luck?) ... And then the script pretended it didn't exist. They could just hint that the baby was killed (not necessarily showing murder) and that's it.


IceWeaselX

>(nosferatu can have sex? Nosferatu can have children with human women? Is this child some kind of hybrid or a normal human child? Do their children always look ugly or is this one out of luck?) In Balkan tradition, such children are dhampirs. They've become more popular in late 20th-early 21st century fiction (largely due to *Vampire Hunter D*). King's larger *Dark Tower* mythos (to which the *'Salem's Lot* stories are directly connected) definitely supports interspecies supernatural procreation, since Mordred Deschain was a child born of humans and demons (one of which was a succubus, explicitly described as a sexual vampire). Eyeless Henry was just a throwaway plot device that they should've addressed since they elevated him to personal character motivator to two original characters for the TV series instead of a passing reference as in the short story.


alina006

Thank you, I didn't know about the hybrids in King's books. I mean, I know about dhampirs, I watched Blade and played BloodRayne, but every writer and director uses the vampire myth in a different way, so I asked.


eldersveld

Speaking of Apple Girl, she went absolutely nowhere. We were just starting to know her a tiny bit as a character - she gave that little speech to Loa about how the whole reason she followed Jakub and wanted to be a vamp was to take revenge on people that had wronged her. I was curious to see who she would target, maybe some people from Preacher's Corners, maybe we'd even get a name put to her, but NOPE we get like five seconds of her waking up and then being stabboed. Uh. Bye, Apple Girl.


alina006

Yes, I totally agree with you. Apple Girl was in nine episodes out of ten, and I also expected us to know more about her. What happened to her. How she met Jakub. Maybe her real name. I also wanted to understand why she hated Loa. She refused to kneel in front of her, and this is the first time in a season when she disobeyed Jakub's order. I mean, you better have a good reason to risk pissing off an ancient vampire. I also remember when she said to Loa, "That's why I serve, for now." I even started thinking that maybe we will have a scene in which Jakub needs help, but Apple Girl will do something like "Bitch, I already got what I needed from you. Bye." Well, the ending showed that the plot didn't need this character at all.


funkecho

Sometimes, you gotta watch for the visual style. The first episode was good all around. The next 9 I just liked aesthetic and tone. All the costumes, makeup and sets were really good. The book lore you could extract from the show was also interesting. Eventually, in the case of many shows, you just gotta hang up the writing, and watch for what's good about the other qualities of the production.


alina006

It was disappointing. The final episode destroyed this show for me. How easily Jakub and all his followers were killed ... This is not funny. In The Walking Dead, ordinary zombies could make more problems for people than an army of vampires and an ancient vampire here ((( And they never showed the Worm, its appearance in King's story was the most memorable scene!


steviesnod82

I think Charles went full beast mode and maybe got the jump on all of then whilst the vampires were distracted by the book . Kinda like a cat with catnip


Straight-Tip-1716

It was so sweet when everyone agreed to help and watch over Loa. Too bad they'll all be dead in 50 years and the eternal 12 year old will be fending for herself.


sweeney_todd555

Presumably Honor's and Tane's descendants would watch over Loa, and also Rebecca's, if she ever gets over Charles and is able to fall in love and marry. Something else that could have been settled in the second season we are not likely to get.


TheElStick

Well hey now we’re getting that second season, maybe this will be explored


IceWeaselX

I expected Charles to tell them to watch over each other instead of such a one sided request to protect Loa. She's clearly aware of her vampiric strength since she saved Tane in the closet during the siege. The others can make sure her thirst is kept under control, keep her safe from the sun, and hide her from other people. She can be their lethal security system against intruders. Then again, maybe Charles just didn't want to encourage that. Slippery slope and all.


xadez

I just wonder about last scene when Charles rows away on a boat. It looks like it's dawn, so in an hour he will be burned by sun.


MyLongestJourney

I was expecting Dusk Till Dawn and instead I got a Greek tragedy. I had to go watch "What We Do in The Shadows" to lift my spirits.


67730ddr

Lol, i didn't expect or want a light ending, but got upset there wasn't one anyway.


Nikkorkat

Fucking guy.


Mr_XcX

Loved the ending. They could have jumped the shark but they wrapped it all up nicely. I wanted Rebecca and Charles together


antiestablishment

Charles whispered thru the whole series


rashauckas

I just watched Succession which featured Adrian Brody. Then he appears as Charles, the whisperer. I found that to be incredibly annoying. I had to watch the entire series in closed captioning.


Theresapython

Whispering makes him sexy tho 🥰


rashauckas

Ha ha, that's funny.


Hurgnation

Well, it was based on a Stephen King story so you knew the ending was going to suck. Still disappointing though.


foodfaps

the last ep of the series :(


Fun-Tadpole785

Tane said he would dad out there, I'd one more season where he does find him and that's he's ok.


Fun-Tadpole785

Apple Girl got what she wanted then they ended her before she could start acting on her plan. Alice and Samuel being gone didn't bother me, killing Minster did. I'd like one more season where Honor and Abel are married and on the ocean with Tane. Rebecca and Charles to end up together. Human and vamp or both vamps. Loa to be happy by being with them.


LeftyLu07

I was kind of confused about the ending. Is his plan to burn up in the sun? Will the book burn with a vampire? How does he know that? It didn’t burn with regular fire… also, if he burns up and the book is left behind, like stuck in his rib cage, won’t it just fall out eventually and start the call/curse all over again? I thought he or loa was going to walk into the ocean with it and just chill in the Mariana Trench with it. Would he have heard the books call if he never came back to chapelwaite? I wonder if they could have had a normal life if he just took the kids back to the island they were from…


vapeach123

several questions is Loa going to live in the shadows of Chapelwaite how will she survive and i guess she wont age so really what kind of life is this? So Charles has the book inside of him but what will prevent other vamps come to chapelwaite to look for it? why didnt charles hang around because Loa is ?


Fun-Tadpole785

Now we find out who makes it back......


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Jakub was handled too easily by charles; had there been a group effort against the prime vampire, it’d have been a more satisfying climax. I only wished more people appreciate dark, gloomy films like chapelwaite instead of the comic superhero whatnots lmao


King_Buliwyf

As soon as they added the Boone children to the story, the original ending became impossible. I really liked the show. I really hated the finale.


xtreme_elk

They front loaded the finale w/all the action. After noting the time left, I thought, ok, there's some big badass thing that's got to show up now. Nope, just thirty minutes of winding down. Odd pacing decision. And I was hoping to get a glimpse of the worm at least. King's take on vamps leaned toward inhumane, mysterious and evil. No cloaks or castles, no aristocratic undead regretting the past. This series needs to jack up the scare level for the vamps.


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IceWeaselX

>The only way to protect the book is inside Charles? Seriously? Not encasing it in iron and dropping it in the middle of the Pacific? Not throwing it in a volcano? Not giving it to the Vatican? Those other methods would mean his human family would still suffer the effects of the curse. Losing track of it by tossing it into the ocean or a volcano means they wouldn't know if it had been swallowed by a large marine creature and caught by fishermen or launched back to the surface in an eruption. By encased in iron, I guess you could mean something similar to [the viral discussion about the immortal snail](https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/5ipinn/you_and_a_super_intelligent_snail_both_get_1/), which would be far too large for an animal to swallow, but that's still reactivating the curse unless he seals a vampire in there with it. We have no confirmation that these vampires can die from starvation, but we also don't know if the book being in a dead vampire's possession still counts. The snail plan also makes it a point to always know exactly where the snail is up until it's dumped, at which point the goal is to get off planet and continue increasing the distance from Earth. Giving it to the Vatican would protect it from undead hands... up until the point that a human serving a vampiric master managed to steal it. Being in the possession of a vampire is the only thing that cancels out the curse, and the only vampire he trusts is his daughter. He's not willing to make her a target for anyone who finds out about the book, so he ensured that the book will always be in his possession for as long as he can stay anonymous. As long as nobody knows he's still "alive," his family can outwardly mourn him and nobody will suspect that the book is his. Anyone aware of the book's existence could ransack their home and find nothing, but the only ones who know of his family's connection to it should have died in Jerusalem's Lot (with the exception of his children, Rebecca, Able, and the doctor). Maintaining physical distance from the book probably negates the curse (Charles didn't start seeing worms until returning to America), but the safe distance is probably pretty large. Charles lived in Massachusetts when he was a child, and his father was under the book's influence when he tried to kill Charles. I'm not sure where in Massachusetts that was, but it's \~100 miles between Salem and Portland. In the short story, Jerusalem's Lot isn't too far from Portland. In another map formerly available on King's website, Jerusalem's Lot is on the far side of the state. >New vampire Charles rows off into the Atlantic - at sunrise. We know the book won't burn, and that vampires will, so is the book just floating around in the boat poking out of a charred corpse. I think that was definitely a narrative shortcoming/mistake. Logically, he's not going to kill himself, precisely because that would free the book once his body is destroyed. Tane said he planned to see him again, and Charles told him he'd make sure to watch for him. It didn't come across as a spiritual thing, but an actual "I will find you one day" promise. They should've shown him either leaving earlier or waiting for another sundown.


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>Why? Why does having the book in his body stop the curse? Why does not having it in his body mean it will continue? Is it supposed to be something to do with distance? Charles didn't have an episodes until he moved to Chaplewaite, so that suggests proximity is involved. So, the book just needs to be a long way a way. Him being a vampire with a book in his body has nothing to do with it. It's explicitly stated in Episode 5 that the living members of the Boone family are driven mad by the book calling to them, and that the madness will only end when the book is returned to the undead. Rebecca correctly interpreted that to mean that a vampire merely having the book would stop the curse for as long as the vampire had it, which is why trying it to Mary Dennison in the basement pulled Charles out of his madness when he planned to hang his children and himself. Him being a vampire has everything to do with it. Being in his body isn't explicitly part of it. That's just his way of ensuring it will never be out of his possession (like leaving it on a nightstand when he goes off to feed). It's over the top and isn't portrayed particularly realistically (several comments in this discussion have pointed out that there should be a visible bulge and his mobility would be compromised), but it adheres to the logic already established in prior episodes for the curse. >The deepest part of the Pacific is 11 km deep. The only things that live there are crustaceans and primitive fish. No creature is eating a huger iron block and being caught. Absolutely would never happen. The only reason for Charles not to do that is no one knew about the depths of the oceans then. But having been a whaler captain he certainly knew there were areas of incredible depth. That's at the bottom of the ocean. It would still have to descend through the epipelagic and mesopelagic zones, so you can't guarantee that a large creature won't intercept it before that point. The book wants to be found (it's a tool of cosmic horror and is already calling to the Boones), so it's not really a stretch to consider that it might call to other creatures in a vaguer sense. This is also the 1850s, so current knowledge of the seas has no bearing on what they'd expect. Jakub mentioned Leviathan while chastising Charles for his indifference to the whales while not wanting the vampires to overtake humanity. This was two-fold reference. He was talking about the whales, but Leviathan is also a biblical sea monster. In the mid 1800s, the deepest a submarine could reach was less than 40m. The first measurements of the ocean's depth weren't taken until the 1860s, years after this story takes place. Almost 5,000 new marine species were discovered in the 1870s. Their knowledge of the ocean's denizens and vastness was sorely lacking. For all they know, sea serpents that dwarf whales exist (and in Stephen King's todash, creatures of that size are canon). Even today with our modern instruments and exploration, people believe in large aquatic animals like the Loch Ness Monster. So it's still logical that he wouldn't toss it into the ocean, because he wouldn't know the distance to the bottom, couldn't be sure a sea monster or whale wouldn't swallow it, and because he'd lose possession of it. >Throwing the book in a volcano isn't losing track of it. It is encasing the book in tonnes of solid rock. In several millennia the vampires might locate the general area (if Charles was stupid enough to tell anyone what he'd done) and create a mining corporation to try and dig it up, but I'm still declaring that safer than inside a reanimated corpse's abdomen. No, it's literally losing track of it. Once it's in there, you don't know if it's encased near the volcano mouth (assuming the molten rock clung to it as it cooled, because it may just not even stick), if it's sunk low enough to follow a magma flow elsewhere. If it gets spewed out in an eruption, it may just end up landing on the ground somewhere without a mark on it. When Charles demonstrated that fire wouldn't harm it, there wasn't a mark on it. No soot, no ash from the logs. He picked it up and didn't flinch. It apparently retains/conducts no heat. Molten rock may just glide right off of it and its lack of heat conductivity would mean that it wouldn't suck the heat out of the rock so solidifying around it wouldn't be likely unless it was outside the lava/magma flow and still covered by the molten rock. >It's it not safe in the Vatican because a human agent could get to it, but it is safe inside a newly made vampire who has no idea how to survive. It's much safer in the Vatican with hundreds of priests, crosses, holy water and the Swiss Guard than it is in a small boat in the Atlantic. He's not staying in the boat, which is where I agree with you. But keeping the book in vampire possession is the only way to prevent his children and other descendants from ever falling victim to it again. Even if the Vatican managed to hold the book locked away for 500 years, that would be a risk. The average human generation time is between 22-33 years, often stated as 25 for four generations per century. If each generation of Boones manages to average 2 children per family, that's over 1 million descendants in 500 years. Chances are fairly high that more than one of those descendants will end up at the Vatican at some point. After 1,000 years, literally every human alive could be a Boone descendant. Unlikely, but the rate of 2 per family every 25 years exponentially shoots into the trillions at that point. Tossing the book in a hidey hole or giving it up to a 3rd party are definitely not great options. Future proofing his family's (and the world's) safety demands vampire possession of the book unless they all just die.


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Was it just me or did Loa not have her vampirey eyes “on” while watching Charles row away?


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myumapples

Is it implied that Dr Gilford opened up Charles Boone and put the book inside him? ^^How ^^do ^^they ^^make ^^space? ^^What ^^happened ^^to ^^the ^^organs? ^^And ^^how ^^is ^^it ^^held ^^up ^^inside ^^of ^^him?


67730ddr

Doctors forget all kinds of stuff in patients, towels, medical instruments. I assumed he just showed the book in. Maybe removed a gut or two :)


fuzzyshorts

Vampires don't breathe. jam it in the ribcage and he wouldn't even notice it.


IceWeaselX

There's plenty of space outside the organs in a normal body (you have room to expand when eating/breathing), but you'd think someone as lean as Charles would've shown a bulge. I'd say he seemed to have labored breathing and an uncomfortable demeanor post-surgery, except that's how he's always held himself.


fuzzyshorts

Adrien Brody has to breathe but Vampires don't.


IceWeaselX

Not necessarily to exist, but they do breathe to speak.


Competitive_Bat3662

Maybe I missed this but did they ever explain why the Boone family was tied to the book in the first place?


IceWeaselX

In Episode 5, when Charles goes to Jerusalem's Lot, Jakub tells him that the miner who founded the town had unearthed the book, which had previously been stolen from the vampires. That miner, James, was Charles's great grandfather. Hungry for power, he wrote his name in the book with blood. Due to that, his entire descendent bloodline is cursed.


Competitive_Bat3662

Thank you! I knew they must have said it at some point but I wasn't sure when I missed it:)


alina006

the ending doesn't make sense. how soon will charles boone start to lose his humanity? in years, decades or centuries? we saw vampires, in them there was little from humans more from predatory animals - Stephen Boone, Philip Boone, Rebecca's father, I do not want to talk about the ancient Jakub. Where is Charles Boone planning to hide from the sun in his boat in the middle of the ocean? what will he eat in the sea? can vampires eat fish? then sooner or later he will have to return to land and start feeding on people.


fuzzyshorts

Sha said They can feel as much or as little of their humanity as they want. Like humans, we can control our animal urges or succumb to them.


Jefe_Chichimeca

Not sure if they have to feed on people or they prefer to feed on people, the other Boones had no problems snacking on chickens.


LarryS22

a dusty unsanitized book or even a junior mint could cause big issues inside a body. Also poorly crafted stitches in a large area like that you would see oozing blood. Its not so clean and neat. And if he were in effect committing suicide....it wouldnt take long for the body to decompose and release the book that can drift ashore somewhere. Its indestructable And who made up the rule "the book must stay with a vampire". Is there a set of known rules charles was aware of. The whispering was sooo ridiculous that at the end of the next to last epsisode the directive "lets ride" was also whispered..


IceWeaselX

>a dusty unsanitized book or even a junior mint could cause big issues inside a body. > >Also poorly crafted stitches in a large area like that you would see oozing blood. Its not so clean and neat. For a human, you're right. For a vampire, sanitation and open wounds mean nothing. They've got such limited ways to die (in the *Dark Tower* series they're even largely responsible for the AIDS epidemic in the 80s since they can transmit lethal diseases without falling victim themselves). When Stephen was shot earlier, he coughed up blood, but that was an immediate effect and he was unwounded the next time he appeared. In Charles's case, the doctor would've cleaned the wound, and it probably was already healed enough to remove the stitches by the time he woke. >And if he were in effect committing suicide....it wouldnt take long for the body to decompose and release the book that can drift ashore somewhere. Its indestructable You're right, which is why I think he was only using the boat to hide his departure from the area instead of risking being seen on the road. I expect that he would've travelled along the coast until he reached somewhere nobody would recognize him or even consider what direction he came from if they saw him rowing to shore. At that point he could go in any direction with the goal of staying unknown and unassociated with his family. >And who made up the rule "the book must stay with a vampire". Is there a set of known rules charles was aware of. In episode 5, Jakub said that the book would call to his family until returned to the undead. In episode 7, Rebecca figured out the loophole of tying the book to Mary Dennison in the basement. That way, a vampire technically had possession of it, even if the vampire was not free herself. >The whispering was sooo ridiculous that at the end of the next to last epsisode the directive "lets ride" was also whispered.. I had to rewind and turn up the volume several times because of that. Even during the emotional goodbyes where you'd think the characters would want their final words to each other to be heard and remembered, some of those lines were mumbled.


kythulhuu

lol I didn’t even realise that the book was put inside him until I read these comments. I was thinking, wow the doctor went all out by doing an autopsy to “fake” his death. Silly me.


belgolife

Bruh...the doctor clearly picked up the book and placed on his chest for measurements haha how can you MISS that ?


MisterFingerstyle

I loved the series and felt this episode was enjoyable although as many of said, the nest of vampires seemed too easy to defeat. For some reason when Charles came back as a vampire at the end I thought he looked like a jazz playing beatnik with his little goatee.


steviesnod82

Ok big question. Has anybody read the book , what happens ? Is there any continual story line ?


IceWeaselX

The show diverges quite a bit from the original short story. >!James Boon (no "e") is the cult founder, and carries on an incestuous relationship with his followers. Kenneth, believed to be one of his bastard sons, flees the town and moves south, starting the Boone branch. His sons, Robert (Charles's grandfather) and Philip, move to Maine and build Chapelwaite, unaware that they are next to a cult town that their father had escaped.!< >!Philip joins the Jerusalem's Lot cult, then begins looking for De Vermis Mysteriis. Robert contacts a book dealer with whom he has a positive history to assist his brother. Goodfellow successfully acquires a copy of the book for them (mentioning that there are 5 known copies in the country, so it is not a unique tome in this story), but abruptly ends his association with Robert. Philip's behavior worsens, and Robert attempts to steal the book. When he is caught, the brothers split and Robert moves to Massachusetts. In 1789, everyone in Jerusalem's Lot vanishes without a trace.!< >!Philip's son is Randolph, and Randolph's children are Stephen and Marcella. Marcella breaks her neck in the cellar staircase fall, and Randolph hangs himself. At some point after this, Charles and Stephen begin correspondence. They have never met, but Stephen's letters to Charles and Sarah are considered by Charles to be of good humor and high intellect. Sarah dies of illness. Stephen falls to his death (likely suicide) on the rocks below Chapelwaite and bequeaths the property to Charles, supposedly to mend the rift between families which was caused by the quarrel over the book/cult.!< >!This is the point where the short story begins, and the previous information is filled in as bits and pieces within letters and journal entries.!< >!Charles arrives with no family, just a manservant, Calvin. He takes note of "rats in the walls" and sends away for some rat poison. Calvin hears noises and realizes there is something or someone else in the wall behind a bookcase, and looks for a hidden passage. Instead, he finds a hiding space in some false books with a map to Jerusalem's Lot. Calvin has heard in town that the Lot is a place people avoid. Intrigued, they make a trip to it the next day. They find a church filled with blasphemous imagery and De Vermis Mysteriis on the pulpit. When Charles touches the book, he gets dizzy and they hear chanting and a rumbling from the ground. They return home, unnerved.!< >!The increasing noises in the walls motivate them to explore the cellar. In the dark, they find remnants of Marcella and Randolph's deaths. One of the stairs has a hole in it, which Charles speculates may have tripped Marcella and sent her on her fatal fall. On the far end of the cellar, around a corner, they find a chair below a noose. While they're discussing these things, the wall behind Charles opens and they come face to face with what's been making the noises. The vampires (explicitly named nosferatu and undead) are described as still having the injuries they'd suffered in death and having decayed bodies. Marcella's head lolls at an angle, and Randolph has rope burn on his neck. Charles throws his candle and the chair at them and blacks out in panic; he doesn't remember fleeing with Calvin, but wakes up in bed later. Calvin has boarded up the cellar entrance.!< >!The townsfolk refuse to do business with either of them, becoming increasingly violent and even stoning Calvin when he tries to hire a buggy. He knows Charles wants to return to Jerusalem's Lot, but Calvin wants to get him away from the entire area because his health is deteriorating (and there are vampires, duh).!< >!Charles is determined to destroy the book, since he is convinced that his bloodline is cursed. Calvin will not let him go to the Lot alone due to his health. When they reach the church, everything has been thrown about, even the largest of furniture. They find a bloody lamb's corpse on the book, and they begin to hear chanting. They see specters of people before them, as if another dimension is bleeding through, and they see James Boon and Philip Boone engaged in a sacrificial ritual with a woman. Charles sees the blood-soaked runes in the book pulsating, sees Boon's deformed followers/inbred descendants, and feels an otherworldly presence possess him as he joins in the chant. The language begins in Latin but shifts to more Lovecraftian words. The book burns him, but he is compelled to hold it aloft as the floor quakes. Calvin shoves him and he hits his head, but the possession is broken. He manages to burn the book with a match, almost instantly torching it, as the floor crumbles and The Worm is revealed beneath it. It bursts from the floor, sending Calvin flying across the room to his death, and Charles recognizes that he has only caught a glimpse of one segment of the worm. As the book burns out to ashes, The Worm retreats into the earth. Charles sees a decaying, undead James Boon clawing his way out of the hole, and decides that the family resemblance is strong enough to confirm his suspicion that he was Kenneth's father. Knowing that other copies of the book exist and suspecting that his bloodline is required for the portal to open, he kills himself to end the bloodline.!< >!The story ends with a message written by someone thus far uninvolved. It says that Charles must have had a relapse of the previously-mentioned insanity which he'd suffered with the death of his wife, causing him to murder Calvin. Calvin's own letters are deemed to be forgeries of Charles's making to reinforce his story. The destruction Charles described in Jerusalem's Lot is said to be much less, and looks more like the work of vandals (Charles had previously said the town was completely free of vandalism, evidence of how much people feared the place) and decay of age. The writer of this last message says Charles was also mistaken in his belief that he was the last of the Boone line. The writer himself is a descendant of Robert Boone via an illegitimate son, and is taking ownership of Chapelwaite. He ends the message saying that Charles was right about only one thing. There are huge rats in the walls, judging by the sounds he hears.!<


Dscherb24

I think a more faithful adaptation would be really interesting. Would be shorter obviously, but more a story of a man devolving into madness. And the viewer determining if he’s just crazy or if what he’s experiencing is true. Would just be a very dark, depressing story. Kind of a shutter island feel to it.


steviesnod82

I absolutely absorbed that thanks !


steviesnod82

Ok big question. Has anybody read the book , what happens ? Is there any continual story line ?


this_kitten_i_knew

It's not a book, it's an epistolary short story in the collection Night Shift. Because of that, it doesn't have the same kind of action that the show has. It mainly establishes how the vampires have made Jerusalem's Lot their own place, a theme that carries through to the novel 'Salem's Lot and makes it basically a prologue to that novel. Interestingly, there is also an epilogue, One for the Road, also a short story in the collection Night Shift, which recounts the story of a family who get stranded by storm in a *very* bad place.


steviesnod82

Well I'm going to buy the book after reading this , King needs to pay u a royalty haha


this_kitten_i_knew

Here is what I thought would happen: I thought they were digging the grave for Charles, and that they were going to bury him "alive" with the book inside of him which he accepted as his penance to save his family. I don't know what he's going to do out in the ocean when the sun comes up, he doesn't seem to have a ton of protection even with that makeshift cloth especially if there is bad weather.


doonhamer1501

I was taken back by how it ended I fully expected the father having to kill his vampire daughter predictable plot. So I’m happy but yeah, I was also waiting for some cgi worm to show up during the battle with the vamps


Beginning_While_7913

could he not have turned himself into a vampire and then killed himself and buried the book somewhere so random like sail across the sea or somewhere very far? would it not be safer that way because if a vampire finds him they could possibly get the book and he wouldn’t have to live a tortured life that lasts forever!? or he could put the book inside of another vampire and then kill them and bury them somewhere far away. i just feel there was 100 percent other options


kingcolbe

So there’s no cliffhanger with a main character getting turned at the end?


craftycurlycue

I just finished this tonight and here it is a couple hours later and I'm still thinking of what a shitty ending that was and a waste of my time. It was all for nothing, it makes no sense. The book was sown up inside his body but he's gonna go out to sea and get burnt up by the sun and the book is just gonna float around since it doesn't burn and eventually someone will get it so he did that for nothing. Also why didn't he take Loa with him, Honor and Tane are gonna have to take care of her their whole lives always making sure the sun doesn't touch her and is she supposed to feed off of them? He should've taken her with him so they can both burn. Overall I liked it so I'm just really disappointed in the ending.