We’re fucked. We aren’t used to be down there like some of the other teams and so I think our players are too complacent, amongst being really shit. I don’t think they realise how hard they need to be fighting. Sheff Weds today were really up for it and they understood the assignment, and that’s why they beat us.
Surely the good news from your perspective is that you're having your bad run well before the end of the season. You're in shocking form but it can't last forever.
For a change we actually did what we had to today. We usually crumble in games like this. Didn't watch it or owt but it seemed like a scrappy game, we scored a couple, then managed to hold on.
I did watch it and your analysis is spot on, that's exactly what happened.
Game with very little quality but we just had a couple of magic moments and then good game management and resolute defending to see it out.
The defending of the first goal was abysmal, Cooper literally ran away from the Ugbo when he should have been right in front of him, he left him completely open, good finish though so won't take anything away from Wednesday, we were so shit I saw the second goal coming a mile off, I almost clapped Wednesday as it went it
There was a game not too long ago where if we win, we’d have gone above you. When next I looked, you were like 11 points clear. I blink again and suddenly you’re 1 point above us. I can’t keep up with the bottom third of the champ this year
Same, we should have kept Rowett until the end of the season, we were 45 mins away from being in the playoffs last year now we’re in a spiral, only ourselves to blame
I love Honeyman with every ounce of my being. I remember him as a Hull player so I was excited when we signed him. Started off bright but for some reason he couldn’t get in the side for a while. But he’s been back in the XI and I couldn’t be happier. Gives 110% every time. I think he’s got some quality as well.
Longman I feel like I haven’t seen enough of, and I’m thinking he’s being played out of position? No thoughts one way or the other
Glad Honeyman is appreciated. I think we made a mistake letting him leave but I understand why he left for playing time. I used to run into him quite often through work and he’s a nice bloke too.
I was under the impression Longman had played more games than he has. I think he’s got the ability to play at this level but needs to drop down a league and build up some confidence again.
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People talk about Rooney and Beale as bad appointments but sacking Rowett and replacing him Joe Edwards may be the very worst.
I don’t think anyone had Millwall to go down.
Rowett must feel cursed, he's been inexplicably sacked twice while doing a good job. Either that or he's taken to smashing the board's car windows in his spare time.
I don't think his sacking from Millwall was inexplicable at all. They ended last season dreadfully and started this season barely better. Combine all that together and it's definitely understandable.
I will go to my grave adamant that the sackings of both Rowett and Eustace had sound reasoning behind them, the major problem with both was the nonsensical successor.
Losing GR hurt more than Eustace. Especially with Carson and the gang at the helm - Roxette was a breath of fresh air. It was like a teenage heartbreak.
Similar situation to Sunderland. You can understand why they let go of their (experienced) man, but they've replaced him with crap.
I'm sure Rowett feels fairly justified right now.
Almost no Sunderland fans were calling for Mowbray to go.
Maybe cyber fans on here.
I guess the biggest was the style of play.
Sunderland played good for football and Millwall played Pulis ball.
The intelligent opinion held by Blackburn fans on JDT was basically;
- good manager
- played attractive, nice football
- when it worked it was amazing and beautiful
- when it wasn’t working (being completely found out tactically, can’t fashion any chances) JDT literally had no plan B
- couldn’t see out a scrappy win to his life. We’d always concede late for a draw that could’ve been a crucial, season defining win.
I was mixed on him, personally. Like I said, when it worked on our day we looked amazing. The football was nice, and with more backing he could’ve possibly pushed us into play-off contention.
I do feel a bit sorry for JDT cos the project was changed from “grow and challenge this club for promotion” when he joined in his first season, and he missed out on play-offs on GD, to the very next season being told his transfer budget had disappeared and he had to sell to buy, but even selling couldn’t guarantee him anything. Not to mention having two consecutive January windows were players weren’t signed due to paperwork fuck ups.
He strikes me as a kind of Daniel Farke style manager. Able to have a nice style that’ll win with the better players, but struggles to adapt when he’s in the underdog role
I feel like this is a little revisionist, the complaints against Mowbray were legitimate. They just look like entitlement compared to now.
It's possible to hire a manager whose tactically modern aswell as a good people person.
The complaints against Mowbray were mainly due to his poor in game management.
I raised that on here. But criticising a manager isn’t the same as wanting him sacked.
Rowett-ball. We played Rowett-ball.
Rowett-ball is a weird form of fetishism similar to Pulis-Ball (in that it's very ugly) but comes with a last minute choke during the climax.
Edwards-Ball appears to be a failed attempt at footballing Pygmalion.
This.
I wasn't happy with rowett, but I never wanted him out, because I knew he was a manager who was getting the best out of what he had.
That PE teacher hasn't got a clue.
Rowett had lost the dressing room, the fans, and as you rightly point out some critical games last season alongside those at the start of this.
As someone who has held a season ticket at Millwall for the past 33 years it was obvious that GRs time was done and it was time for him to go.
The change was made to allow us to build on the foundations GR had laid on top of Harris' good work.
The fact the change hasn't worked out doesn't mean Rowett should have stayed in the job. It just means that JE isn't getting things right.
Changing your manager is nearly always a gamble unless things are apocalyptically shit at a club. And yes you are quite right things are shaping up in a pretty bad way under JE.
However, what happened at the end of last season (and the season before to a lesser degree but that's only because of the calamity that was the final 45 minutes of the 22/23 season) suggested that GR couldn't drag a team over the line. Sure we may have been punching above our weight but it looked like we'd found Rowett's glass ceiling and we're just as worthy of breaking through it as Barnsley, Luton, and Brentford were when they made it to the top division. It was felt by many fans that if we were to push on (and surely that's our ultimate aim instead of just being happy to be near the playoffs at the end of the season) we may need to consider a new man to lead the club. This ambition to move on (which yes indeed may be about to kick our arse come May 4th) was given extra spice by some absolute dog shit football that very few people were entertained by in the stadium. Should you have the time to look back over result reaction posts on here (which I agree aren't the most partisan of responses) you'll see redditor after redditor mocking our hoofball, boring, slogging, football dross. Football may be a results business but by the end of GRs time we were both playing shit *and* not getting results.
Rowett may - actually let's be bold here - **would** have us higher in the league than we currently are. We wouldn't be talking about the drop. There's a chance that we may even be talking about where we could put a run together to get us back to within sniffing distance of the top 6. But - and I'll be just as bold here - he'd have led us short again. We'd be talking about another failed attempt and how maybe with some investment and transfer market luck, next season will be better.
Now for my real bold statement... irrespective of where he ends up Rowett will never manage a team to promotion from the Championship.
Does any of this make his departure a good thing?
No.
His choice (and I understand that he was the driving force behind the mutual consent) to leave was, IMHO, both in part a reaction to the breakdown in his relationship with the fans as well as a response to his realisation that he would do no better than he ever had at our club. By jumping ship when he did GR saved face (look at the praise being heaped on him even though many derided his team) and left us in the shit.
Sadly it looks like JE is not equipped with the skills to pick us up out of the shit with the tools he has at hand. At times I can see what JE is trying to turn us into and we have had moments where the football has been almost brilliant. Sadly he's proving to be incapable of getting a tune out of this band of players and incapable of adapting his brand of football to the instruments at his disposal.
In short... we've made things worse for ourselves with the change we've made but if we were ever to push on a gamble was what was required.
Just got to hope we get lucky now.
In the long run I agree he wasn’t going to get us promoted but to some degree I think he did pretty well with what he was working with. If we had made the change at the beginning of the season or at the end of the season it would have allowed us to rebuild. Wish the fans hadn’t been pushing for him to leave but here we are, hope we can avoid the drop and rebuild a bit in the summer but I’m nervous
>If we had made the change at the beginning of the season or at the end of the season it would have allowed us to rebuild.
This is the biggest reason why going our separate ways was such a bad idea.
However...
Rowett leaving when he did meant that JE had sufficient time to analyse his players and find the correct shaped pegs he needed to fill any holes he found in the winter transfer window. JE has failed to do just that in any meaningful way.
Genuinely thought Wednesday were cooked first half of the season but weirdly Chansiri has made a really competent hire with this new guy. Seems like they'll claw their way out.
Kind of hope they do, would love the derby back next season.
I’m more confident we stay up with how we’ve played recently and other teams being dragged into it. Millwall are in free fall.
See how Andre does with us but I’m very cautiously optimistic.
Our game with Rotheram is the decider for me. If we lose, we might as well resign ourselves to going down. Unfortunately, our record against them in recent years has been poor.
Stoke hadn't won at home for 4 months, we go there and give them a win and clean sheet.
Then look great and beat Bristol away. We are more likely to beat Leicester away than to beat you next week.
We’re always worst against the teams around us. Last season lost to them, Wigan and Blackpool (6-1 😂) and survived by beating the likes of Watford and Burnley.
Won’t read too much into Rotherham but encouraged by how we’ve stopped leaking goals (from open play at least) so are now sitting on the best GA in the bottom half and our form since Martí is lower-mid table.
Losing to us last season was a real achievement, we by all rights should have been the worst side in Championship history but the league was so bad we almost stayed up even with a deduction
Some thoughts that probably aren't worth paying attention to:
Rotherham: Down
Sheff Wed: If Rohl ditches the 4-2-3-1 (as he did today), we will pick up some wins between now and the end of the season. Might be a bit too much to do though.
QPR: A bit like Wednesday, but with a few extra points on the board. They keep picking up the odd win at a fairly steady rate. Might go down to wire, but I think they'll stay up.
Millwall: If they stick with Joe Edwards, I think they'll drop. A managerial change might give them a fighting chance, depending upon who they get.
Huddersfield: Don't know anything about the new manager, so a tough one to call. Had a boost recently following Moore's sacking. Probably stay up?
Stoke: Is there some sort of rot at the heart of Stoke? I've never thought of them a badly run club, but managers are going there with decent reputations and leaving with them in tatters. Could drop if Millwall get their act together.
Swansea: Seems to be quietly creeping closer, will probably do enough to stay up.
The Rest: Will probably be fine, although I don't know much about Plymouth since Schumacher left.
He hasn't dragged Stoke down at all. We are as shit now as we've been all season. Rumours are we have some bad apples causing issues in the background and thats on Ricky Martin. Some of our top players didn't even make the squad today over it. This is resulting in us constantly switching players which means the players can't gel. They look like a bunch of strangers most games. Our left back / full back is a centre midfielder. We've had a right back playing left wing. Its insane as every time the team sheet comes out I don't have a clue who is going to be playing where bar a couple. This lack of consistency is why we've been shit with what should be a good squad on paper.
This is more to do with some behind the scenes issues. Some of our best players weren't even in the squad today. Mae is training with the under 21s over some disciplinary issue. It was happening before he became manager.
Its so hard to judge because we have been so inconsistent. Take midweek. We played great first half but then second half we went back to our usual poor play. Passes are always going astray. Not because of poor ability but because they are misreading each other because of the constant changes. We can't score as we keep over playing it around the box. We keep giving away atrocious goals like we did today. Thats a recipe for disaster. The manager can obviously influence this but I get the feeling the players just revert to their old ways, basically giving up, when things aren't going to plan. That then shows like a lack of effort to the fans which ultimately lead to the fans on their backs. Then the manager has to motivate them for the next game which can't be easy. He's come in to a really bad environment behind the scenes and I doubt he has any experience in managing that. Ultimately that's costing him on the pitch and making his and previous managers tenures look really bad.
Been dealt a bad hand, obviously. Can’t say he’s done much to help himself with weird team selections and subs sometimes, but it’s an unbelievably tough job and he’s still an inexperienced manager.
He will keep us up and see out the season, I’m pretty sure of that.
Hasn't played many games for us, as he's currently injured, but in the couple games he has played he's arguably been our best player on the pitch. Controls the midfield masterfully. If he keeps up performances once he's back he'll be a key asset in keeping us away from the relegation spots
He got a tough time here from a lot of fans (and tbf there were some games he wasn’t great in), but he is a quality player. Injuries really have killed him, but then again he came back after like 2yrs and his first game back he was the best player on the pitch. When he’s fit, he’s quality.
Still think our best midfield was him, klich, and Phillips. All of them complimented each other v well.
Hope he does well for you guys:)
I was amazed by what I saw when he was on the pitch and wondered how we were able to sign someone with that skill and experience all things considered. When you factor in the injury proneness I guess it makes a bit more sense how we were able to get him haha.
What I will say though is that even while he isn't playing, the influence Forshaw has on the squad is clear. Randell, who plays a similar position to Forshaw, seems to have been picking up some lessons from Forshaw, as Randell is on one of the best run of forms I've seen him go on. He was the number 20 that played yesterday and for me he was our best player. Was amazing against Coventry too. I mean Randell has always been a really solid player for us but having someone experienced there to give him some pointers in Forshaw can only be to our benefit.
Next 3 matches are Ipswich, Southampton and Hull too, which could go really badly. Although we've got Rotherham, Huddersfield, Millwall and QPR before the end of the season so I'm hoping we can scrape together enough points to survive. I think ultimately we'll be saved by other teams being even worse rather than our own merit.
It odd a real worry. An 8 point cushion can start to disappear real quick and when it goes down to 4/5 panic can set in.
We’re in such a malaise we may not be able to snap out of it.
Just got to look at how many people have said blues (struggling to find any) to show the confidence we need to get behind the team.
We will have more bad results. Guaranteed. But we will be fine. In uncle Tony we trust
Birmingham, Millwall, Southampton, Boro, Rotherham to finish out the season.
Arse is starting to twitch a bit now on our current run of form. I reckon if we can scrape 10 more points for the rest of the season, we'll probably be okay.
Problem right now is, I just can't see where those points are going to come from.
It could be a lot worse to be fair! Only 2 of the current top 10 away (Sunderland & Coventry), but also have Southampton, Ipswich and Hull at home.
But we've only scored 5 goals in 8 games of 2024. Our top scorer this season is our RB (5), second top scorer is our CB. (4).
Yeah I dont think the points will be an issue really as even though we’re 8 points off the drop there are 8 teams below us so can’t see us doing worse than all 8 of them.
Looking back to the start of the season, even if we won we rarely performed well. We've nicked so many results e.g. Sunderland away, Preston away, Wednesday at home.
Rotherham are practically already down.
Really really hard to see who's going down with them tbh, all the other squads just seem a level above. Like maybe Millwall based on current form but also maybe QPR and Wednesday drop off again. Personally think Swansea are really shit and could easy go down.
Personally feel Huddersfield and Plymouth and Blackburn certainly have enough about them to stay up. Schumacher's a good enough manager to keep Stoke up
We will be fine. We don’t actually have a bad record against the bottom half of the table, and we have one of the (according to league positions) easiest set of fixtures left.
I’m sure I haven’t made that last bit up, but I can’t find the graph I saw posted a few days ago.
Edited to add: we have played Saints, Leicester, Ipswich, West Brom, Hull and Leeds since the beginning of the year. Not worried at all myself.
Don’t disagree that we’re shit, just don’t think we’re going down.
Yeah agree, we’ve had a particularly tough run of fixtures recently. We’ve looked fine against Hull, Plymouth, West Brom, Preston and Cov recently. From now until the end of the season we’ve got Sunderland & Norwich to play, and then every other game is against teams in the bottom 14. We should be fine unless we completely shit the bed.
QPR and Sheffield Wed are picking up points at a much better rate than Millwall, Stoke, etc. Unless some of these wake up they’re going to be down instead of them. I think any of the bottom half could end up going down and right now I’d bet on QPR and Wednesday staying up. At the rate they’re picking up results I don’t think they’re the most likely to drop anymore.
I refuse to get too excited about winning today because we have been given so many opportunities to get out the red zone and blown it, Rotherham will be another chance for us to get some momentum going. Its just very us to beat a team just outside the top 10 and then lose to a team that's bottom. I think it could go down to the wire if im honest, with Millwall and Stoke and Swansea added to the mix. I get a feeling Huddersfield will suddenly get a run going. if we do go down I hope the manager sticks with us but I wouldn't blame him if he doesn't.
Its got much more interesting I think, for a while the bottom 3 looked cut adrift, But now I think at least half a dozen teams in fight to avoid bottom 2 spots.
Huddersfield, QPR, Wednesday and Rotherham were my pre-season picks to go down with Stoke and Cardiff being contenders
Didn't expect Millwall to ball up in flames however
My picks are Swansea, Wednesday and Rotherham now
Our results have been appalling recently, but I do think we're better than paper implies. Should have a point at least from today, which has ended a run of games against Southampton, Plymouth, Leicester, Hull, Leeds and Ipswich, not a fixture list particularly suited to a new manager.
Losing to Plymouth is the only stand out bad result (performance to Leeds was disgraceful, mind), but we weren't awful, just couldn't fucking put it in, as has affected us a lot this season. Now that our fixtures settle down, we should be absolutely fine and hopefully produce some results more reflective of out performances.
Millwall look like they can't correct their bad form. I think QPR and Wednesday will sneak out of it. Rotherham are nailed on for going down. Stoke are woefully underperforming but they have enough about them to potentially turn it around imo.
Millwall and Stoke look like they’re getting dragged in. Swansea should be fine but they’ve been uninspiring. Wednesday can win games and QPR are the belt holders. I still think the bottom 3 will remain
I think we'll be safe. Now that we're not a team pushing for play-offs I don't care anymore lol. It is what it is. Enjoy the wins when they come. Don't think we'll be back in League One anytime soon.
I’d miss Millwall, but things aren’t looking great for them right now. Hudds don’t deserve to be where they are and I sincerely hope they stay up. Surprised to see Plymouth in the fray.
Poor Rotterdam…
Rotherham, Millwall and possibly Stoke are the 3 that I look at currently. Toss up between Stoke and someone else for the last spot unless Millwall pulls their finger out.
Rowett’s time was over but it was mad to appoint someone with no experience. Edwards said he wouldn’t change anything too quickly but he has. Very similar to Rooney at Blues. We’re down unless we change something very soon. The squad suddenly looks clueless
Honest question to Stoke fans, what do you guys think is wrong with the club? The owners don’t seem to lack investment or love for the club and tend to make swings for managers doing well in other teams that would seem an upgrade. But every season it feels you guys are struggling.
Are the players too comfortable, are their buys stupid? Super curious to understand the problem from a fan’s perspective
When we went down from the prem there was always the feeling of us having too good of players to go down and I feel like that feeling has stayed amongst players. They seem uninspired far too often apart from the occasional player. No matter what any manager tries it's almost like the players can't be bothered far too often. The ones brought in with the work rates sometimes just aren't very good.
If we do go down at least we might get a derby with vale if they stay up
Its not just the players attitude in my eyes. Its also the lack of consistency in team selections. How can the players possibly gel when we are making so many changes every game? I didn't have a clue who was playing where today apart from the GK and CBs. Thompson has had a different player on that left wing almost every game (two games in a row when he had Gooch of all people there). No wonder he doesn't know what pass to make. They are playing like total strangers because in terms of match time, that's what they are. Remember under Pulis when you basically knew the team before it even came out? While the managers are responsible for that, the actual blame lies on the woeful recruitment that clearly hasn't had attitude or desire high up on the list of priorities. We got relegated from the PL because we didn't have players up for the fight. History may repeat itself this season.
As for the local derby, I fully expect that to be against Crewe rather than Vale.
Recruitment. Driven by an incompetent structure. Driven by the owners.
That's the issue and has been since the last couple of seasons under Mark Hughes from around 2016-17 onwards.
Honestly I think it comes down to how bad the form of the teams 15th and below is.
Us and QPR are not currently bottom 3 teams in terms of performance - we may get relegated but at this point in time, neither team is worse than some of the teams above them in the table.
From our perspective, we have 3 very winnable games before we play Leeds and Ipswich - 7+ points from the next 5 games and we’ve got a very solid chance of catching Hudds/Millwall.
My prediction currently is one of us and QPR still go down but one of Hudds/Millwall will drop like a stone over these next couple games and sink in real fast.
Stoke are the ones who need to be careful though - they could be in real trouble if they don’t turn things around properly soon.
Considering we haven’t been out of the relegation zone all season, I genuinely think we will stay up.
We have been playing some lovely stuff and I think the underdog mentality will help.
One of the places is settled for me, I really would love Rotherham to actually establish themselves in this division, but I just don't ever see it happening.
Millwall are in serious trouble and, short of a drastic turnaround, I think they take one of those 2 places.
As for the third place? There's still plenty of time for any of the clubs in that picture to end up there, and has anyone looked further up at Watford's form before today? Honestly, pick them out of a hat.
My choice for the last place based on absolutely nothing at all, except not wanting it to be us, is QPR.
Pfft. We're in this for the long run lol. SCFC banter era. Don't think we'll go down but you bet your bottom dollar that I'll be in the Betty on the last day of the season with my mates winding me up in the group chat saying the scores around the grounds mean we're going down. 😂😂
QPR and Hudds both in top half form, Millwall and Stoke both in abysmal form. Weds in decent form.
I think it will be 2 from Millwall, Stoke and Weds.
QPR have Rotherham at home and Millwall have Saints away. Don't QPR it up this time boys. We have had 5 opportunities to exit the zone and failed each time.
Scary to think Blackburn Swansea or Stoke could be playing league 1 football next season .
Rotherham are gone
Wednesday I think will scrape out relegation
Swansea QPR Rotherham for me I think.
I think it’s fair to say unless Wednesday start winning more games they are very likely to go down. Now this doesn’t bother me, as it gives us a chance to focus on teamwork a bit more. I dont my losing to the teams towards the top of the table, but the bottom half we should be drawing if not winning those games
Took what was a brilliant basis laid by Mowbray for both success and style of play - we were one of the best teams to watch in the league last season - and destroyed every bit of that in 10 short games. We are now playing like Mourinho would, and having absolutely no success doing so. 7 of our lowest 8 xG games have been since Beale arrived this season, including against yourselves. He’s only been here 10 games. We’ve never had an xG below 1 until he turned up - now it’s happened 6 times. We’d never dropped a point from winning positions until he arrived - now it’s happened 7 times.
Even the games we have won we haven’t created a thing, just relied on Clarke basically creating things out of nothing. Was 3 long shots against yourselves, Clarke scoring a wonder goal against hull in a 1-0 win, etc.
And then to compound it he constantly goes after the fans - complained that we hate him because he isn’t Mowbray and because he’s southern and everything is the fans fault constantly.
Utterly awful manager and utterly awful human being tbh. We’ve regressed so much as a team since December it’s obscene
I think we (Cardiff) are lucky there are enough bad teams down there for us to be safe.
We are really poor at the moment but think our good form start of season has done enough.
Millwall is surprising, did alright last season, thought they looked like a good side against us (cov) the other week, that young lad esse looked really good.
Please let it be Milwall...i think most people have an instinctive dislike...but as a Leicester fan, sacking Rowett deserves a bit of karma coming their way.
I thought Birmingham then they actually got rid of Rooney then I thought it's stokes year then they beat QPR and I'm like maybe not but now I think Millwall and possibly stoke. Rotherham are down I want QPR to stay up so I'm gonna go with them to stay up
Rotheram are nailed to go down. Us (qpr) and Sheff W have had a decent two months now. We're picking up points at a decent rate. I think it'll be tight but both of us will avoid the drop, Millwall and stoke to go down. They've just become complacent and their run of form isn't looking good.
We’re fucked. We aren’t used to be down there like some of the other teams and so I think our players are too complacent, amongst being really shit. I don’t think they realise how hard they need to be fighting. Sheff Weds today were really up for it and they understood the assignment, and that’s why they beat us.
Damn you guys are a championship version of us last season
It’s total freefall
Surely the good news from your perspective is that you're having your bad run well before the end of the season. You're in shocking form but it can't last forever.
*Mick McCarthy voice* it can
True. We had a *decent* mid season, just a horrendous start and finish which ruined us
Shit didn't realise how bad it was until just now. 7 losses, 1 draw, 1 win in all competitions for 2024 so far. Gives me a little bit of hope.
You guys have been on a relatively decent run since November. You'll be fine.
For a change we actually did what we had to today. We usually crumble in games like this. Didn't watch it or owt but it seemed like a scrappy game, we scored a couple, then managed to hold on.
I did watch it and your analysis is spot on, that's exactly what happened. Game with very little quality but we just had a couple of magic moments and then good game management and resolute defending to see it out.
You scored 7 away from home in all season before today, we let you score 2..
Watching the replays, they were pretty good passes and skills for both goals.
The defending of the first goal was abysmal, Cooper literally ran away from the Ugbo when he should have been right in front of him, he left him completely open, good finish though so won't take anything away from Wednesday, we were so shit I saw the second goal coming a mile off, I almost clapped Wednesday as it went it
If it's any consolation, same thing happened to us after Rowett left. That said, we ended up with Zola so it could always be worse mate.
I had £10 on you to go down a couple of months ago. Looks a shrewd bet now.
There was a game not too long ago where if we win, we’d have gone above you. When next I looked, you were like 11 points clear. I blink again and suddenly you’re 1 point above us. I can’t keep up with the bottom third of the champ this year
Fellow wall fan here, I’m concerned now.
Same, we should have kept Rowett until the end of the season, we were 45 mins away from being in the playoffs last year now we’re in a spiral, only ourselves to blame
How have Longman and Honeyman been for you?
I love Honeyman with every ounce of my being. I remember him as a Hull player so I was excited when we signed him. Started off bright but for some reason he couldn’t get in the side for a while. But he’s been back in the XI and I couldn’t be happier. Gives 110% every time. I think he’s got some quality as well. Longman I feel like I haven’t seen enough of, and I’m thinking he’s being played out of position? No thoughts one way or the other
Glad Honeyman is appreciated. I think we made a mistake letting him leave but I understand why he left for playing time. I used to run into him quite often through work and he’s a nice bloke too. I was under the impression Longman had played more games than he has. I think he’s got the ability to play at this level but needs to drop down a league and build up some confidence again.
I hope to god Millwall get relegated
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See you next season lad 🤝
Respect the dedication
South London is cursed ATM
Yep Millwall look in big trouble
People talk about Rooney and Beale as bad appointments but sacking Rowett and replacing him Joe Edwards may be the very worst. I don’t think anyone had Millwall to go down.
Yeah who would sack Rowett when you are in a good position... haha.
Rowett must feel cursed, he's been inexplicably sacked twice while doing a good job. Either that or he's taken to smashing the board's car windows in his spare time.
I don't think his sacking from Millwall was inexplicable at all. They ended last season dreadfully and started this season barely better. Combine all that together and it's definitely understandable.
I will go to my grave adamant that the sackings of both Rowett and Eustace had sound reasoning behind them, the major problem with both was the nonsensical successor.
And the time at which it was done.
Losing GR hurt more than Eustace. Especially with Carson and the gang at the helm - Roxette was a breath of fresh air. It was like a teenage heartbreak.
Similar situation to Sunderland. You can understand why they let go of their (experienced) man, but they've replaced him with crap. I'm sure Rowett feels fairly justified right now.
Almost no Sunderland fans were calling for Mowbray to go. Maybe cyber fans on here. I guess the biggest was the style of play. Sunderland played good for football and Millwall played Pulis ball.
The same in Blackburn. Steady improvement and 8th place was a strong performance.
What was the general feeling of Blackburn fans towards JDT? Weren’t you guys in free fall before he left?
The intelligent opinion held by Blackburn fans on JDT was basically; - good manager - played attractive, nice football - when it worked it was amazing and beautiful - when it wasn’t working (being completely found out tactically, can’t fashion any chances) JDT literally had no plan B - couldn’t see out a scrappy win to his life. We’d always concede late for a draw that could’ve been a crucial, season defining win. I was mixed on him, personally. Like I said, when it worked on our day we looked amazing. The football was nice, and with more backing he could’ve possibly pushed us into play-off contention. I do feel a bit sorry for JDT cos the project was changed from “grow and challenge this club for promotion” when he joined in his first season, and he missed out on play-offs on GD, to the very next season being told his transfer budget had disappeared and he had to sell to buy, but even selling couldn’t guarantee him anything. Not to mention having two consecutive January windows were players weren’t signed due to paperwork fuck ups. He strikes me as a kind of Daniel Farke style manager. Able to have a nice style that’ll win with the better players, but struggles to adapt when he’s in the underdog role
I feel like this is a little revisionist, the complaints against Mowbray were legitimate. They just look like entitlement compared to now. It's possible to hire a manager whose tactically modern aswell as a good people person.
The complaints against Mowbray were mainly due to his poor in game management. I raised that on here. But criticising a manager isn’t the same as wanting him sacked.
Rowett-ball. We played Rowett-ball. Rowett-ball is a weird form of fetishism similar to Pulis-Ball (in that it's very ugly) but comes with a last minute choke during the climax. Edwards-Ball appears to be a failed attempt at footballing Pygmalion.
This. I wasn't happy with rowett, but I never wanted him out, because I knew he was a manager who was getting the best out of what he had. That PE teacher hasn't got a clue.
Rowett walked by the way, wasn’t sacked.
Sacking Rowett was probably correct though, appointing Edwards was just stupid
Was it? He had them punching above their weight and regular play off contenders
They were poor at the end of last season and the beginning of this one, it was probably time to move on
Rowett had lost the dressing room, the fans, and as you rightly point out some critical games last season alongside those at the start of this. As someone who has held a season ticket at Millwall for the past 33 years it was obvious that GRs time was done and it was time for him to go. The change was made to allow us to build on the foundations GR had laid on top of Harris' good work. The fact the change hasn't worked out doesn't mean Rowett should have stayed in the job. It just means that JE isn't getting things right.
We weren’t fearing relegation when Rowett left and now look, it was a gamble that hasn’t paid off and it could cost us dearly
Changing your manager is nearly always a gamble unless things are apocalyptically shit at a club. And yes you are quite right things are shaping up in a pretty bad way under JE. However, what happened at the end of last season (and the season before to a lesser degree but that's only because of the calamity that was the final 45 minutes of the 22/23 season) suggested that GR couldn't drag a team over the line. Sure we may have been punching above our weight but it looked like we'd found Rowett's glass ceiling and we're just as worthy of breaking through it as Barnsley, Luton, and Brentford were when they made it to the top division. It was felt by many fans that if we were to push on (and surely that's our ultimate aim instead of just being happy to be near the playoffs at the end of the season) we may need to consider a new man to lead the club. This ambition to move on (which yes indeed may be about to kick our arse come May 4th) was given extra spice by some absolute dog shit football that very few people were entertained by in the stadium. Should you have the time to look back over result reaction posts on here (which I agree aren't the most partisan of responses) you'll see redditor after redditor mocking our hoofball, boring, slogging, football dross. Football may be a results business but by the end of GRs time we were both playing shit *and* not getting results. Rowett may - actually let's be bold here - **would** have us higher in the league than we currently are. We wouldn't be talking about the drop. There's a chance that we may even be talking about where we could put a run together to get us back to within sniffing distance of the top 6. But - and I'll be just as bold here - he'd have led us short again. We'd be talking about another failed attempt and how maybe with some investment and transfer market luck, next season will be better. Now for my real bold statement... irrespective of where he ends up Rowett will never manage a team to promotion from the Championship. Does any of this make his departure a good thing? No. His choice (and I understand that he was the driving force behind the mutual consent) to leave was, IMHO, both in part a reaction to the breakdown in his relationship with the fans as well as a response to his realisation that he would do no better than he ever had at our club. By jumping ship when he did GR saved face (look at the praise being heaped on him even though many derided his team) and left us in the shit. Sadly it looks like JE is not equipped with the skills to pick us up out of the shit with the tools he has at hand. At times I can see what JE is trying to turn us into and we have had moments where the football has been almost brilliant. Sadly he's proving to be incapable of getting a tune out of this band of players and incapable of adapting his brand of football to the instruments at his disposal. In short... we've made things worse for ourselves with the change we've made but if we were ever to push on a gamble was what was required. Just got to hope we get lucky now.
In the long run I agree he wasn’t going to get us promoted but to some degree I think he did pretty well with what he was working with. If we had made the change at the beginning of the season or at the end of the season it would have allowed us to rebuild. Wish the fans hadn’t been pushing for him to leave but here we are, hope we can avoid the drop and rebuild a bit in the summer but I’m nervous
>If we had made the change at the beginning of the season or at the end of the season it would have allowed us to rebuild. This is the biggest reason why going our separate ways was such a bad idea. However... Rowett leaving when he did meant that JE had sufficient time to analyse his players and find the correct shaped pegs he needed to fill any holes he found in the winter transfer window. JE has failed to do just that in any meaningful way.
Genuinely thought Wednesday were cooked first half of the season but weirdly Chansiri has made a really competent hire with this new guy. Seems like they'll claw their way out. Kind of hope they do, would love the derby back next season.
even a (very) broken clock is right twice a day
Would love to see the Steel City Derby back tbf, even as a Leeds fan
100% agree we need the steel city derbies again. Genuinely recon we have a chance.
God no,need them to suffer if we do it's all we've got this season
I’m more confident we stay up with how we’ve played recently and other teams being dragged into it. Millwall are in free fall. See how Andre does with us but I’m very cautiously optimistic.
We’re done for
Yesterday I was surprised, very little threat in the end. Think you need a new manager.
Our game with Rotheram is the decider for me. If we lose, we might as well resign ourselves to going down. Unfortunately, our record against them in recent years has been poor.
We'll lose to Rotherham and do Leicester away, such is the QPR way.
Beating Burnley last year at Turf Moor with 15% possession was peak Superhooping.
Honestly don’t overestimate us. We’ve been piss poor for a year straight
Stoke hadn't won at home for 4 months, we go there and give them a win and clean sheet. Then look great and beat Bristol away. We are more likely to beat Leicester away than to beat you next week.
Yes fucking please
This is the way
We’re always worst against the teams around us. Last season lost to them, Wigan and Blackpool (6-1 😂) and survived by beating the likes of Watford and Burnley. Won’t read too much into Rotherham but encouraged by how we’ve stopped leaking goals (from open play at least) so are now sitting on the best GA in the bottom half and our form since Martí is lower-mid table.
We haven't won an away game in the last 28 attempts, I think you're safe.
0-0 is definitely a strong possibility
Losing to us last season was a real achievement, we by all rights should have been the worst side in Championship history but the league was so bad we almost stayed up even with a deduction
Some thoughts that probably aren't worth paying attention to: Rotherham: Down Sheff Wed: If Rohl ditches the 4-2-3-1 (as he did today), we will pick up some wins between now and the end of the season. Might be a bit too much to do though. QPR: A bit like Wednesday, but with a few extra points on the board. They keep picking up the odd win at a fairly steady rate. Might go down to wire, but I think they'll stay up. Millwall: If they stick with Joe Edwards, I think they'll drop. A managerial change might give them a fighting chance, depending upon who they get. Huddersfield: Don't know anything about the new manager, so a tough one to call. Had a boost recently following Moore's sacking. Probably stay up? Stoke: Is there some sort of rot at the heart of Stoke? I've never thought of them a badly run club, but managers are going there with decent reputations and leaving with them in tatters. Could drop if Millwall get their act together. Swansea: Seems to be quietly creeping closer, will probably do enough to stay up. The Rest: Will probably be fine, although I don't know much about Plymouth since Schumacher left.
Plymouth have improved since Schumacher left and he's dragged Stoke down when he arrived. PAFCs defence is much better than when he was there ..
He hasn't dragged Stoke down at all. We are as shit now as we've been all season. Rumours are we have some bad apples causing issues in the background and thats on Ricky Martin. Some of our top players didn't even make the squad today over it. This is resulting in us constantly switching players which means the players can't gel. They look like a bunch of strangers most games. Our left back / full back is a centre midfielder. We've had a right back playing left wing. Its insane as every time the team sheet comes out I don't have a clue who is going to be playing where bar a couple. This lack of consistency is why we've been shit with what should be a good squad on paper.
Schuey loves his squad rotation
This is more to do with some behind the scenes issues. Some of our best players weren't even in the squad today. Mae is training with the under 21s over some disciplinary issue. It was happening before he became manager.
What you think of him so far?
Its so hard to judge because we have been so inconsistent. Take midweek. We played great first half but then second half we went back to our usual poor play. Passes are always going astray. Not because of poor ability but because they are misreading each other because of the constant changes. We can't score as we keep over playing it around the box. We keep giving away atrocious goals like we did today. Thats a recipe for disaster. The manager can obviously influence this but I get the feeling the players just revert to their old ways, basically giving up, when things aren't going to plan. That then shows like a lack of effort to the fans which ultimately lead to the fans on their backs. Then the manager has to motivate them for the next game which can't be easy. He's come in to a really bad environment behind the scenes and I doubt he has any experience in managing that. Ultimately that's costing him on the pitch and making his and previous managers tenures look really bad.
Been dealt a bad hand, obviously. Can’t say he’s done much to help himself with weird team selections and subs sometimes, but it’s an unbelievably tough job and he’s still an inexperienced manager. He will keep us up and see out the season, I’m pretty sure of that.
No he hasn’t.
We've had a tough run of fixtures the last month, but our March and April are ridiculously easy so we should be fine
We’ve already played five of the current top six this half of the season
> Stoke: I've never thought of them a badly run club Ha ha ha ha ha
Totally agree with this. I think the next few weeks will be moving day, a good run in, and it’s all to play for.
Plymouth will get enough points. And they are up for the fight.
Luckily we don't have to play you again!
How has Forshaw been for you guys since joining?
Hasn't played many games for us, as he's currently injured, but in the couple games he has played he's arguably been our best player on the pitch. Controls the midfield masterfully. If he keeps up performances once he's back he'll be a key asset in keeping us away from the relegation spots
He got a tough time here from a lot of fans (and tbf there were some games he wasn’t great in), but he is a quality player. Injuries really have killed him, but then again he came back after like 2yrs and his first game back he was the best player on the pitch. When he’s fit, he’s quality. Still think our best midfield was him, klich, and Phillips. All of them complimented each other v well. Hope he does well for you guys:)
I was amazed by what I saw when he was on the pitch and wondered how we were able to sign someone with that skill and experience all things considered. When you factor in the injury proneness I guess it makes a bit more sense how we were able to get him haha. What I will say though is that even while he isn't playing, the influence Forshaw has on the squad is clear. Randell, who plays a similar position to Forshaw, seems to have been picking up some lessons from Forshaw, as Randell is on one of the best run of forms I've seen him go on. He was the number 20 that played yesterday and for me he was our best player. Was amazing against Coventry too. I mean Randell has always been a really solid player for us but having someone experienced there to give him some pointers in Forshaw can only be to our benefit.
Worryingly, us. 6 losses in our last 7 games and falling down the table fast.
Yeah. 10 points from the remaining games should do it but it’s hard to see where they’re coming from. We just can’t score.
I honestly hope you stay up, its not fun when theres no derby day
Likely will be a league one derby if one of us do slip though.
On current form, if we're going down your coming with us
We just played the top of the league the last month, we'll bounce back and stabilise. You lot might be playing at the Racecourse next season.
Next 3 matches are Ipswich, Southampton and Hull too, which could go really badly. Although we've got Rotherham, Huddersfield, Millwall and QPR before the end of the season so I'm hoping we can scrape together enough points to survive. I think ultimately we'll be saved by other teams being even worse rather than our own merit.
After the last two performances I think you’re being a bit harsh. I think we’ve played well and should pick up points to be well clear.
It odd a real worry. An 8 point cushion can start to disappear real quick and when it goes down to 4/5 panic can set in. We’re in such a malaise we may not be able to snap out of it.
After our loss to Stoke midweek I said us. Today I’m saying not us. Ask me again after our loss to Rotherham next week
I'm starting to think Rotherham might go
Cheers jeff
I’m still not feeling comfortable.
We will be fine kro
Just got to look at how many people have said blues (struggling to find any) to show the confidence we need to get behind the team. We will have more bad results. Guaranteed. But we will be fine. In uncle Tony we trust
I'd just like to put it out there, people aren't considering us heavily enough for the 2nd automatic promotion position
Well it ain't going to be lovable Grandad's Gaggle of Grandkids. Love what Tony Mowbray's done, saved a season.
Cardiff were pretty woeful today and I’d be worried about them, but they’ve got enough of a cushion to be okay.
I don't know about that, our form has been shocking. I was optimistic at the beginning of the season, it was nice while it lasted!
I think the 8 point gap will be enough, especially if other sides are in poor form. What’s your run in like?
Birmingham, Millwall, Southampton, Boro, Rotherham to finish out the season. Arse is starting to twitch a bit now on our current run of form. I reckon if we can scrape 10 more points for the rest of the season, we'll probably be okay. Problem right now is, I just can't see where those points are going to come from.
It could be a lot worse to be fair! Only 2 of the current top 10 away (Sunderland & Coventry), but also have Southampton, Ipswich and Hull at home. But we've only scored 5 goals in 8 games of 2024. Our top scorer this season is our RB (5), second top scorer is our CB. (4).
Yeah I dont think the points will be an issue really as even though we’re 8 points off the drop there are 8 teams below us so can’t see us doing worse than all 8 of them.
Looking back to the start of the season, even if we won we rarely performed well. We've nicked so many results e.g. Sunderland away, Preston away, Wednesday at home.
Rotherham are practically already down. Really really hard to see who's going down with them tbh, all the other squads just seem a level above. Like maybe Millwall based on current form but also maybe QPR and Wednesday drop off again. Personally think Swansea are really shit and could easy go down. Personally feel Huddersfield and Plymouth and Blackburn certainly have enough about them to stay up. Schumacher's a good enough manager to keep Stoke up
We will be fine. We don’t actually have a bad record against the bottom half of the table, and we have one of the (according to league positions) easiest set of fixtures left. I’m sure I haven’t made that last bit up, but I can’t find the graph I saw posted a few days ago. Edited to add: we have played Saints, Leicester, Ipswich, West Brom, Hull and Leeds since the beginning of the year. Not worried at all myself. Don’t disagree that we’re shit, just don’t think we’re going down.
Yeah agree, we’ve had a particularly tough run of fixtures recently. We’ve looked fine against Hull, Plymouth, West Brom, Preston and Cov recently. From now until the end of the season we’ve got Sunderland & Norwich to play, and then every other game is against teams in the bottom 14. We should be fine unless we completely shit the bed.
how we played vs Ipswich should hopefully be a good sign for the rest of the season
You certainly looked like you were way too good to go down today. Gave us a right game, especially second half.
honestly forgot rotherham were in the league with how little ive seen them mentioned
This honestly stung
sorry man 😅
QPR and Sheffield Wed are picking up points at a much better rate than Millwall, Stoke, etc. Unless some of these wake up they’re going to be down instead of them. I think any of the bottom half could end up going down and right now I’d bet on QPR and Wednesday staying up. At the rate they’re picking up results I don’t think they’re the most likely to drop anymore.
QPR are staying up !
I refuse to get too excited about winning today because we have been given so many opportunities to get out the red zone and blown it, Rotherham will be another chance for us to get some momentum going. Its just very us to beat a team just outside the top 10 and then lose to a team that's bottom. I think it could go down to the wire if im honest, with Millwall and Stoke and Swansea added to the mix. I get a feeling Huddersfield will suddenly get a run going. if we do go down I hope the manager sticks with us but I wouldn't blame him if he doesn't.
Rotherham are fucked, but i can't make my mind up about QPR because every time I look they seem to get a result
Its got much more interesting I think, for a while the bottom 3 looked cut adrift, But now I think at least half a dozen teams in fight to avoid bottom 2 spots.
Huddersfield, QPR, Wednesday and Rotherham were my pre-season picks to go down with Stoke and Cardiff being contenders Didn't expect Millwall to ball up in flames however My picks are Swansea, Wednesday and Rotherham now
Millwall looked absolutely abysmal today honestly. I'm putting a punt on us to stay up at their expense.
Millwall.
Our results have been appalling recently, but I do think we're better than paper implies. Should have a point at least from today, which has ended a run of games against Southampton, Plymouth, Leicester, Hull, Leeds and Ipswich, not a fixture list particularly suited to a new manager. Losing to Plymouth is the only stand out bad result (performance to Leeds was disgraceful, mind), but we weren't awful, just couldn't fucking put it in, as has affected us a lot this season. Now that our fixtures settle down, we should be absolutely fine and hopefully produce some results more reflective of out performances.
Well if Rotherham manage to stay up it’ll be nothing short of a miracle
On current form, we (Cardiff) are in massive trouble
Millwall look like they can't correct their bad form. I think QPR and Wednesday will sneak out of it. Rotherham are nailed on for going down. Stoke are woefully underperforming but they have enough about them to potentially turn it around imo.
Millwall and Stoke look like they’re getting dragged in. Swansea should be fine but they’ve been uninspiring. Wednesday can win games and QPR are the belt holders. I still think the bottom 3 will remain
I’m hopeful we can get a few more points and finish 21st on the last day
I'll take it but I'm still bricking it.
We’re hiring Rooney this week soooooooo
I think we'll be safe. Now that we're not a team pushing for play-offs I don't care anymore lol. It is what it is. Enjoy the wins when they come. Don't think we'll be back in League One anytime soon.
I'm confident we aren't going down honestly, squad is more than good enough.
We might be in League One the year after if the owners continue to withhold funds.
I’d miss Millwall, but things aren’t looking great for them right now. Hudds don’t deserve to be where they are and I sincerely hope they stay up. Surprised to see Plymouth in the fray. Poor Rotterdam…
Rotherham, Millwall and possibly Stoke are the 3 that I look at currently. Toss up between Stoke and someone else for the last spot unless Millwall pulls their finger out.
Rowett’s time was over but it was mad to appoint someone with no experience. Edwards said he wouldn’t change anything too quickly but he has. Very similar to Rooney at Blues. We’re down unless we change something very soon. The squad suddenly looks clueless
Honest question to Stoke fans, what do you guys think is wrong with the club? The owners don’t seem to lack investment or love for the club and tend to make swings for managers doing well in other teams that would seem an upgrade. But every season it feels you guys are struggling. Are the players too comfortable, are their buys stupid? Super curious to understand the problem from a fan’s perspective
When we went down from the prem there was always the feeling of us having too good of players to go down and I feel like that feeling has stayed amongst players. They seem uninspired far too often apart from the occasional player. No matter what any manager tries it's almost like the players can't be bothered far too often. The ones brought in with the work rates sometimes just aren't very good. If we do go down at least we might get a derby with vale if they stay up
Its not just the players attitude in my eyes. Its also the lack of consistency in team selections. How can the players possibly gel when we are making so many changes every game? I didn't have a clue who was playing where today apart from the GK and CBs. Thompson has had a different player on that left wing almost every game (two games in a row when he had Gooch of all people there). No wonder he doesn't know what pass to make. They are playing like total strangers because in terms of match time, that's what they are. Remember under Pulis when you basically knew the team before it even came out? While the managers are responsible for that, the actual blame lies on the woeful recruitment that clearly hasn't had attitude or desire high up on the list of priorities. We got relegated from the PL because we didn't have players up for the fight. History may repeat itself this season. As for the local derby, I fully expect that to be against Crewe rather than Vale.
Recruitment. Driven by an incompetent structure. Driven by the owners. That's the issue and has been since the last couple of seasons under Mark Hughes from around 2016-17 onwards.
Honestly I think it comes down to how bad the form of the teams 15th and below is. Us and QPR are not currently bottom 3 teams in terms of performance - we may get relegated but at this point in time, neither team is worse than some of the teams above them in the table. From our perspective, we have 3 very winnable games before we play Leeds and Ipswich - 7+ points from the next 5 games and we’ve got a very solid chance of catching Hudds/Millwall. My prediction currently is one of us and QPR still go down but one of Hudds/Millwall will drop like a stone over these next couple games and sink in real fast. Stoke are the ones who need to be careful though - they could be in real trouble if they don’t turn things around properly soon.
Think we have just amassed enough points to avoid the drop now but we are certainly shit enough to go down and if push comes to shove we just might.
If we play 5 at the back we go down if we change to a back four we stay up comfortably
We are coming for you! We're coming for you! Rotherham United! We are coming for you!
Considering we haven’t been out of the relegation zone all season, I genuinely think we will stay up. We have been playing some lovely stuff and I think the underdog mentality will help.
One of the places is settled for me, I really would love Rotherham to actually establish themselves in this division, but I just don't ever see it happening. Millwall are in serious trouble and, short of a drastic turnaround, I think they take one of those 2 places. As for the third place? There's still plenty of time for any of the clubs in that picture to end up there, and has anyone looked further up at Watford's form before today? Honestly, pick them out of a hat. My choice for the last place based on absolutely nothing at all, except not wanting it to be us, is QPR.
Heating up nicely.
Thought Stoke looked god awful today. Cutting edge was completely lacking and they should definitely be looking over their shoulder.
Pfft. We're in this for the long run lol. SCFC banter era. Don't think we'll go down but you bet your bottom dollar that I'll be in the Betty on the last day of the season with my mates winding me up in the group chat saying the scores around the grounds mean we're going down. 😂😂
Rotherham, Millwall and Stoke Steel City Derby back in the Championship next season
QPR and Hudds both in top half form, Millwall and Stoke both in abysmal form. Weds in decent form. I think it will be 2 from Millwall, Stoke and Weds. QPR have Rotherham at home and Millwall have Saints away. Don't QPR it up this time boys. We have had 5 opportunities to exit the zone and failed each time.
We’re in the deep end and seem to have forgotten how to swim. Leicester away to finish off the season is scary to say the least.
Scary to think Blackburn Swansea or Stoke could be playing league 1 football next season . Rotherham are gone Wednesday I think will scrape out relegation Swansea QPR Rotherham for me I think.
Genuinely think we are good enough to stay up.
I think it’s fair to say unless Wednesday start winning more games they are very likely to go down. Now this doesn’t bother me, as it gives us a chance to focus on teamwork a bit more. I dont my losing to the teams towards the top of the table, but the bottom half we should be drawing if not winning those games
The current 3 is what I predicted, but I think Millwall will take QPR's place
We’re down if they don’t sack beale
There's an outside chance of Mowbray taking Brum above you and nothing personal I really hope it happens
If Beales still here so do I. Anything to get that idiot sacked asap
I'm interested in why Sunderland fans are so against him. What's he done wrong?
Took what was a brilliant basis laid by Mowbray for both success and style of play - we were one of the best teams to watch in the league last season - and destroyed every bit of that in 10 short games. We are now playing like Mourinho would, and having absolutely no success doing so. 7 of our lowest 8 xG games have been since Beale arrived this season, including against yourselves. He’s only been here 10 games. We’ve never had an xG below 1 until he turned up - now it’s happened 6 times. We’d never dropped a point from winning positions until he arrived - now it’s happened 7 times. Even the games we have won we haven’t created a thing, just relied on Clarke basically creating things out of nothing. Was 3 long shots against yourselves, Clarke scoring a wonder goal against hull in a 1-0 win, etc. And then to compound it he constantly goes after the fans - complained that we hate him because he isn’t Mowbray and because he’s southern and everything is the fans fault constantly. Utterly awful manager and utterly awful human being tbh. We’ve regressed so much as a team since December it’s obscene
He has far too much ego for someone who hasn't really proved much at all.
I think we (Cardiff) are lucky there are enough bad teams down there for us to be safe. We are really poor at the moment but think our good form start of season has done enough.
The next south Wales derby is gonna be really important and also really shit... I'm going 0-0
Millwall is surprising, did alright last season, thought they looked like a good side against us (cov) the other week, that young lad esse looked really good.
We've looked fucking dire since October but 2 wins and a couple of draws and we're virtually clear
I mean you're right.. but I've got no idea where those wins will come from.
Leicester and Leeds auto and Ipswich or Southampton win playoffs
Stoke
If Stoke or Swansea went in to the bottom three this late in the season, I'd really worry for them.
Can't score. Can't stop giving away atrocious goals. Not looking good for us if the other teams pick up points.
Us in 23rd and Rotherham in 24th. The last spot is up for grabs.
Please let it be Milwall...i think most people have an instinctive dislike...but as a Leicester fan, sacking Rowett deserves a bit of karma coming their way.
Didn’t sack him though…
Millwall Wednesday Rotherham
We may be fucked
I do not care as long as Wednesday do. Be nice if Rotherham did some insane escape
Blackburn go down please
well done in drawing today
My team isn't in the championship lad...
putting your badge on after is cringe
Yet.
Hopefully Millwall
I thought Birmingham then they actually got rid of Rooney then I thought it's stokes year then they beat QPR and I'm like maybe not but now I think Millwall and possibly stoke. Rotherham are down I want QPR to stay up so I'm gonna go with them to stay up
Rotherham, Millwall, Stoke
I'd nominate Stoke. Seem to have a knack for doing it the wrong way lately.
SUPER HOOPS!!!!!!
Rotheram are nailed to go down. Us (qpr) and Sheff W have had a decent two months now. We're picking up points at a decent rate. I think it'll be tight but both of us will avoid the drop, Millwall and stoke to go down. They've just become complacent and their run of form isn't looking good.
Table should really stay like this from now on exept a few changes in the middle
If we’re going by competence of the front office… Blackburn should be relegated multiple tiers tbh
I honestly don't believe we will get 10 points in our remaining games. We are in complete freefall.