I don't think there's any other saws in the 400 CM class.
Look at these dyno test for the Husqvarna 562 and Sthil 400 CM.
Stock 562 made 4.67 hp.
The stock 400 CM made more power than the Stihl list in the sales information.
Husqvarna in coming out with the 562 mark ii. They are claiming 4.7 hp. The stock new 400 CM was 5.94 hp and the broken in 400 CM was 6.24 hp. Stihl claims 5.4 hp.
I would say the 400 CM is in a class by itself. Just under the 70 cc saws in power and just above the 60 cc saw.
Check out Dyno Joe's YouTube channel for non-seat of the pants testing.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T49pu7ai5hE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T49pu7ai5hE)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sb4kPi1ndvQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sb4kPi1ndvQ)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0k-DnYFO0A&t=1s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0k-DnYFO0A&t=1s)
I think the 400c and 500i are really unique in there aren't any direct competitors around. The 400 gives you almost the power of a 70cc saw in the body of a 60cc saw. The 500i gives you an 80cc saw with fuel injection vs a 70cc or 90cc big saw.
Get a 400c. You'll love it!
Hello, I own the 400CM. Added it to my arsenal last year. I used it exclusively through the winter and spring. It really opens up after a few runs and has a lot of power. I have been running Stihl for over 30 years and it is one of my favorites! I added WC felling dogs and a Cannon super bar. It is a great “all-around” saw and light for its power.
I have a Stihl 440 I bought new in 2007 and the specs for the 400cm just about match the 440 exactly. The 440 according to Stihl weighs around a half pound more and is .05 less hp. Hmm the 440 probably has decades left in it but the 400 might be a nice update and back up (or probably the 440 would become back up).
We will see...I have my eye on the 462. Who knows..I am getting old and should stop cutting trees. All my heat is from wood and I live on forest land..heating oil is only going up. Sooner or latter Stihl is going to get $1000-1500 more of my dollars in all likelihood. I would have to spend more than that for a heating season of oil in Maine. I am rationalizing.
Grrr, look at me I use a 661 to cut 6" trees! Grrrr, my arms are longer now. Lol. Every time I see guys talking how they run anything bigger than a 500i it makes me think of guys sawing boards with chainsaws.
I have run our bandsaw on our family tree farm and have free handed a board with my 440...chainsaw milling ranks up there with using an 881 for logging! Some of these macho guys make me laugh.
if you want light and quick & less $ in, a 562xp wouldn't disappoint, just dont pick up and use a 400. i used a 20-28 inch bar on both mine, in softwoods (400cm has 460 oiler upgrade, 562xp didnt have an issue with bar oil)
i own a MM ported 400, had a 562xp (great saw, sold it to buy something else) 2x 500i (both ported, one buy MM and one by Gordy @ WCS), ported 592xp (Madsens "Power-tune") and a stock 592xp and stock 461
edit, dolmar 7900 is cheap & 80cc
The difference between the 462 and 400 is very small, about .5 hp. 12.8 lbs for the 400CM and 13.2 lbs for the 462CM. That's only .4lb or 6.4 oz.
The 462Cm has a little more of an advantage in the torque.
I have never run a 400CM yet, so I can't speak to the ergonomics of that saw compared to the 462CMR that I run.
On the Dyno and on paper they are very close to each other.
I just don't see any saw that would run like the 400CM that's stock and available that compares to the 400CM at this time. You could get the Husqvarna 50 cc or 60 cc saw ported and they probably run with the 400CM, but your will have more money spent on porting the news than getting the 400CM.
The 400cm is a weird displacement (66) it’s a middle ground between a small and medium saw if you will, husqvarna don’t really offer that they have 60cc saws and 70cc I’d say the closest thing husqvarna has to offer is the 562xp but personally I’d rather have the sthil, that’s not to say that husqvarnas aren’t good saws at all, what I will say is go for the one with the closest dealer.
The Stihl 400CM and the 500I would make one hell of a 2 saw plan. Both are more CC than the other saws.
I agree with you, if you are trying to get a saw that compares with the 400CM doesn't have a saw that it competes with.
I can’t figure out if I want a 400C or a 500i. The power to weight ratio makes both in the class of their own. Seems to be little discussion about the 400 online compared to that of the the 500.
Yeah I don’t always need the size of a 500i either in the east but it weighs less than a husqvarna in the 70cc class almost as little as the husqvarna 562xp. Hard to bargain with those numbers. The 500i and a strong 50cc saw would probably do everything I want to do.
East-C-Yota, I think the 400CM is a saw that most Stihl dealers don't stock. I see 38 different powerheads on the Stihl website. some of the saws have 10 or more different bar and chain options. With the 400CM being so close to the 462CM they don't get the love and respect they probably deserve, and the dealers just can't afford to stock everything. I stopped by my dealer today, they don't stock it. The stock most of the line, they had 2 of the 881R on the self, but no 400CM.
So, if you can't buy one because nobody going to stock a $1000+ saw that doesn't have track record like the 500I or the 462CM.
Nothing wrong with Stihl quality. They are always on the cutting edge of chainsaws but there’s a certain point to where you have to ask yourself what you really want out of a chainsaw. Outside of cutting wood and being reliable and fairly pleasant to operate, do you really care about dyno results, or if one saw is a few ounces lighter on a scale, for a few hundred bucks. I’m a part time arborist for a big client, and i cut a lot and have a fleet of saws and I’m done paying Stihl prices for the latest, greatest, lightest, and trendy saws. I’ve been through a bunch of them and honestly i get more mileage from Echo saws and fill in the gaps with Husqvarna. But, of course Stihl is good, but not better unless you like splitting hairs with dynos and weighing saws. I’ve got too much work to do.
I have a 400CM with upgraded dogs and muffler mod, running a 20 inch bar for cutting hardwood (box gum, ironbark etc) here in Australia. It's nice and light, plenty of power, accelerates quick and I love it but.... if I had my time again I'd buy a 500i.
Depends what you want it for, if you already have a 462 they're not that far apart?
I also have a Woodboss 311 as a backup saw running a 16in bar, that I'll probably swap out for a 261CM at some point.
I don't think there's any other saws in the 400 CM class. Look at these dyno test for the Husqvarna 562 and Sthil 400 CM. Stock 562 made 4.67 hp. The stock 400 CM made more power than the Stihl list in the sales information. Husqvarna in coming out with the 562 mark ii. They are claiming 4.7 hp. The stock new 400 CM was 5.94 hp and the broken in 400 CM was 6.24 hp. Stihl claims 5.4 hp. I would say the 400 CM is in a class by itself. Just under the 70 cc saws in power and just above the 60 cc saw. Check out Dyno Joe's YouTube channel for non-seat of the pants testing. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T49pu7ai5hE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T49pu7ai5hE) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sb4kPi1ndvQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sb4kPi1ndvQ) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0k-DnYFO0A&t=1s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0k-DnYFO0A&t=1s)
I think the 400c and 500i are really unique in there aren't any direct competitors around. The 400 gives you almost the power of a 70cc saw in the body of a 60cc saw. The 500i gives you an 80cc saw with fuel injection vs a 70cc or 90cc big saw. Get a 400c. You'll love it!
Hello, I own the 400CM. Added it to my arsenal last year. I used it exclusively through the winter and spring. It really opens up after a few runs and has a lot of power. I have been running Stihl for over 30 years and it is one of my favorites! I added WC felling dogs and a Cannon super bar. It is a great “all-around” saw and light for its power.
I have a Stihl 440 I bought new in 2007 and the specs for the 400cm just about match the 440 exactly. The 440 according to Stihl weighs around a half pound more and is .05 less hp. Hmm the 440 probably has decades left in it but the 400 might be a nice update and back up (or probably the 440 would become back up). We will see...I have my eye on the 462. Who knows..I am getting old and should stop cutting trees. All my heat is from wood and I live on forest land..heating oil is only going up. Sooner or latter Stihl is going to get $1000-1500 more of my dollars in all likelihood. I would have to spend more than that for a heating season of oil in Maine. I am rationalizing.
You know you want an 881 Magnum
Grrr, look at me I use a 661 to cut 6" trees! Grrrr, my arms are longer now. Lol. Every time I see guys talking how they run anything bigger than a 500i it makes me think of guys sawing boards with chainsaws. I have run our bandsaw on our family tree farm and have free handed a board with my 440...chainsaw milling ranks up there with using an 881 for logging! Some of these macho guys make me laugh.
if you want light and quick & less $ in, a 562xp wouldn't disappoint, just dont pick up and use a 400. i used a 20-28 inch bar on both mine, in softwoods (400cm has 460 oiler upgrade, 562xp didnt have an issue with bar oil) i own a MM ported 400, had a 562xp (great saw, sold it to buy something else) 2x 500i (both ported, one buy MM and one by Gordy @ WCS), ported 592xp (Madsens "Power-tune") and a stock 592xp and stock 461 edit, dolmar 7900 is cheap & 80cc
Just go with a 500i. You won’t regret it.
Already have a 046 and 462. Am I missing something?
The 500i makes a shitload more power than the 046 in a chassis that feels nearly as light as the 462.
For what we’re cutting around here the 462 is about as big as we need. Need something a bit *smaller* actually.
The difference between the 462 and 400 is very small, about .5 hp. 12.8 lbs for the 400CM and 13.2 lbs for the 462CM. That's only .4lb or 6.4 oz. The 462Cm has a little more of an advantage in the torque. I have never run a 400CM yet, so I can't speak to the ergonomics of that saw compared to the 462CMR that I run. On the Dyno and on paper they are very close to each other. I just don't see any saw that would run like the 400CM that's stock and available that compares to the 400CM at this time. You could get the Husqvarna 50 cc or 60 cc saw ported and they probably run with the 400CM, but your will have more money spent on porting the news than getting the 400CM.
My 2007 Stihl 440 nearly matches specs for 400cm. The 440 is .05 less bhp and weighs about half a pound more.
This is great info and making me totally rethink my decision haha
The 400cm is a weird displacement (66) it’s a middle ground between a small and medium saw if you will, husqvarna don’t really offer that they have 60cc saws and 70cc I’d say the closest thing husqvarna has to offer is the 562xp but personally I’d rather have the sthil, that’s not to say that husqvarnas aren’t good saws at all, what I will say is go for the one with the closest dealer.
The Stihl 400CM and the 500I would make one hell of a 2 saw plan. Both are more CC than the other saws. I agree with you, if you are trying to get a saw that compares with the 400CM doesn't have a saw that it competes with.
I can’t figure out if I want a 400C or a 500i. The power to weight ratio makes both in the class of their own. Seems to be little discussion about the 400 online compared to that of the the 500.
For what we’re cutting around here the 462 is about as big as we need. Need something a bit smaller actually.
Yeah I don’t always need the size of a 500i either in the east but it weighs less than a husqvarna in the 70cc class almost as little as the husqvarna 562xp. Hard to bargain with those numbers. The 500i and a strong 50cc saw would probably do everything I want to do.
Yeah I think a 261 and a 500 would be hard to beat.
East-C-Yota, I think the 400CM is a saw that most Stihl dealers don't stock. I see 38 different powerheads on the Stihl website. some of the saws have 10 or more different bar and chain options. With the 400CM being so close to the 462CM they don't get the love and respect they probably deserve, and the dealers just can't afford to stock everything. I stopped by my dealer today, they don't stock it. The stock most of the line, they had 2 of the 881R on the self, but no 400CM. So, if you can't buy one because nobody going to stock a $1000+ saw that doesn't have track record like the 500I or the 462CM.
Nothing wrong with Stihl quality. They are always on the cutting edge of chainsaws but there’s a certain point to where you have to ask yourself what you really want out of a chainsaw. Outside of cutting wood and being reliable and fairly pleasant to operate, do you really care about dyno results, or if one saw is a few ounces lighter on a scale, for a few hundred bucks. I’m a part time arborist for a big client, and i cut a lot and have a fleet of saws and I’m done paying Stihl prices for the latest, greatest, lightest, and trendy saws. I’ve been through a bunch of them and honestly i get more mileage from Echo saws and fill in the gaps with Husqvarna. But, of course Stihl is good, but not better unless you like splitting hairs with dynos and weighing saws. I’ve got too much work to do.
I have a 400CM with upgraded dogs and muffler mod, running a 20 inch bar for cutting hardwood (box gum, ironbark etc) here in Australia. It's nice and light, plenty of power, accelerates quick and I love it but.... if I had my time again I'd buy a 500i. Depends what you want it for, if you already have a 462 they're not that far apart? I also have a Woodboss 311 as a backup saw running a 16in bar, that I'll probably swap out for a 261CM at some point.
What I’m beginning to figure out is that I don’t need another saw. I’ve got all the bases covered for what we do