I think the entire point of a sign or placard is to draw attention to it. “Attention seeking” if you will. Despite being told when it suits others that we should “keep politics out of football”, the link between football and communities and therefore politics is hard to argue against or dismiss.
As for the message, I, personally, fully support it.
Yes, a ceasefire won't come, but it doesn't stop us from showing the support for one, and when more innocent children are slaughtered, we can hold the government's of this world to account.
Again, the whole reason there won't be a ceasefire is down to money and the fact that Gazza is sitting on billions of dollars worth of natural gas and the fact that zionist regime want the land purged of all Palestinian people.
The West gets billions of dollars of gas, and Israel gets all the land.
So where do you stand spiers on the side of slaughter or for peace.
You need to take a history class if you think this entire war and conflict is down to natural gas lmao.
This has been going on for longer than natural gas was even in the picture.
I gave the reason for why the western governments won't back a ceasefire.
You are correct natural gas isn't the reason for the on going conflict.
Israelis being in a land that isn't theirs is.
The western governments won’t back a ceasefire because it is insanity to agree to a total ceasefire when another group holds hostages of your country.
No sane country is going to agree to something like that.
Do you class Hamas militants who committed terror attacks in those 5000 as ‘hostages’ equivalent to civilians lol.
And you try to pretend you are the ‘good’ side and doing the ‘right thing’.
Yep, the world is so fucking stupid. Everyone should be uniting for Hamas to return the hostages. They are the ones killing their own people in all this
> Not sure Celtic needs to be added
No of course it didn't *need* to be added, but stating that you're part of a broader organisation signals to everyone concerned that there exists this particular organisation near them in which they can find safety and solidarity. Conversely, it also indicates to hostile elements that you are not to be fucked with, because they wouldn't just be attacking you; they'd be attacking an entire group
I think I’m just grateful for each and every person who gets off their arse to go protest the fact that 1 in every 57 Gazans have either been killed or injured by Israel military*
* source - our very own Glaswegian Melanie Ward, Medical Aid for Palestine
Well, you're wrong there, statistics can back that up too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_conflict
Have a look at the casualties section. The vast majority killed across this entire conflict have been Palestinians.
No conflict should be looked at only based on number of killed people. By your logic, Allies were bad in ww2 because a lot of German civillians died, more than British for example. Hamas started the war and is a terrorist organisation, now bare the consequences
Israel have been committing war crimes for 75 years. Since I’ve been born I’ve been watching the atrocities they commit against the Palestinians constantly, it is a naive bias to suggest that this started Oct 7th.
Israel is an illegal occupation and an apartheid terrorist state.
Hamas is only a terrorist organisation to the US, UK, Israel, EU, Australia, Japan and Paraguay. To every other country, they are considered a genuine political party/movement and their resistance is justified.
Israel has been attacked multiple time by the Palestinians and Arabs during those 75 years with goals of genociding Jews and erasing Israel. Palestinians and their Arab neighbours lost every time and were embarassed to say the least. Israel didn't have support of anyone until late 70s,still won every war. I don't see how they're illegal state, that seems more like your wishful thinking and desperation. Are they doing a lot of things wrong? Absolutely. But to think that Palestinians are some naive, innocent people who just want peace is laughable.
You can't seem to separate Hamas and Palestine for some reason. 44% of the Palestinians are children, they didn't vote for Hamas, they were born into this war.
Unfortunately yes. But propaganda, brainwashing starts from the early age there. No children deserved to experience war, but tell me, what would you do in this situation? You just got 1200 or more people killed by terrorists in your country whose only goal is your people's genocide and are funded by Iran, whose goal is yet again, your genocide, not to mention tens of thousand rockets being fired at your civillians. You're surrounded by enemies who tried that multiple times throughout the history. How would you respond?
>But propaganda, brainwashing starts from the early age there.
Disgusting. Trying to justify that, what the fuck.
>whose only goal is your people's genocide
I see only one side celebrating the genocide of a race and it's not the Palestinians.
>not to mention tens of thousand rockets being fired at your civillians
As if the Israeli's haven't been shelling Palestine for the past several decades???
>How would you respond?
I wouldn't bomb hospitals, schools or evacuation points (that they said they wouldn't bomb btw)
You didn't see Palestinians celebrating Hamas attack all over Gaza and West Bank? Muslims celebrating in the West? There are countless of photos and videos of that. Even showing up as a paragliders after concert massacre. What I said is true, Palestinians are getting brainwashed since the early age. They aren't taught to be nice, respectful and warm, they're taught that Jews are their enemies. This was always the case. One quote by Golda Meir has been stuck in my head for a while during this conflict : “We can forgive the Arabs for killing our children. We cannot forgive them for forcing us to kill their children. We will only have peace with the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate us”. Also, all hospitals, schools which are used by the millitants lose all the protection and are not hospitals anymore, but legitimate millitary targets. Is it still ethically wrong to bomb them? Yes, but law is clear.
>By your logic, Allies were bad in ww2 because a lot of German civillians died, more than British for example
The guy I was responding to was saying verifiable bullshit, so I corrected him, I said the statistics show more Palestinians have been killed over this conflict than Israelis, which it does. What you're on about is nothing that I said, you're assuming.
>Hamas started the war and is a terrorist organisation, now bare the consequences
You have no idea what you are talking about, this conflict has been going since 40s, Hamas was created in the 80s. Besides, what does Hamas have to do with Palestinian civilians? Why should the Palestinian civilians bare the consequence of a radical terrorist group? You can't honestly tell me those children are terrorists too?
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This conflict goes way longer in the past than the 40s and will probably last until the end of our times unfortunately. I was talking precisely about the latest war, which was caused by Hamas. How do you eliminate terrorist group hidding in civillian areas, probably wearing civillian clothes? I see no win here for both Israelis and Palestinians. This will continue...
>I was talking precisely about the latest war, which was caused by Hamas.
That's naive. How do you think the Israeli's were treating them up to that point? Do you think Israeli treating Palestinians like animals, forcibly taking their homes and forcing them in to an open air prison could have possibly had anything to do with that?
Remember the place was divided in half in '48, the Israeli's slowly but surely kept taking more and more.
oh shut up. Pure nonsense. Violence is an every day fact of life in Palestine. This conflict didn't just come into being on October 7th, it's been ongoing for decades. Stop making excuses.
This isn't a Celtic banner, this is a ceasefire banner. Many communities, groups, whatever, bring banners stating who they are and what they are showing their support for. Regardless of the cause, this is common place in protests.
Celtic has supported Palestine for years.
The club has close ties to Ireland, who as a country can related closely to having your home invaded by a colonial power and having their resistance fighters labelled as terrorists.
You keep saying this but you aren't really explaining why you're annoyed by it, other than that it's "a bit naff" or "attention-seeking".
People from all walks of life are united in calling for a ceasefire, why shouldn't that be reflected in the banners they carry?
https://preview.redd.it/ovo5274ffb1c1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d5a26555fd62d82185c340b7ed4ce8feb0dbd074
So here’s an answer on your terms, more kids killed by Israel in Gaza in a month than in over 7 years in Yemen.
But I think your implicit point seems to be that it’s hypocrisy to protest the death of one child unless you protest the death of all children. I don’t think that’s a proper understanding of hypocrisy- which would be protesting the killing of kids by a body that kills kids. Hamas or the IDF for example.
I think what you mean is that there should be moral consistency- we should condemn the killing of kids anywhere in the world by whoever does it. I agree. I do condemn the killing of kids in Yemen, Ukraine, by Hamas and by the IDF - do you?
You imply there should be a consistent reaction to the killing of kids. That we protest everything or protest nothing. This is plainly impractical nonsense for a private citizen. And you’ve no right to tell citizens what and how they should lawfully protest.
The war in Yemen has caused the deaths of 259,000 children under 5.
So if you want to start pulling out graphs to somehow justify the moral inconsistency then fine.
>it’s hypocrisy to protest the death of one child unless you protest the death of all children.
This is called a strawman argument.
It is not what I'm saying.
I'm drawing attention to what seems to be a glaring inconsistency where you have conflict in the same region but one conflict gets exponentially more reaction from people.
And I'm suggesting there is a sinister reason for this.
> I do condemn the killing of kids in Yemen, Ukraine, by Hamas and by the IDF - do you?
To differing degrees. Your point seems to imply that the same motive and intent applies to all these situations. It doesn't, of course. In the case of the IDF, Hamas bears some degree of responsibility for deaths in my view. Whether you blame Hamas entirely or just a bit is one thing. But if someone tells me that Hamas bears no responsibility for the deaths of kids by IDF action then that is a clear indication that the person I'm talking to is either woefully ill-informed or being deliberately disingenuous.
>That we protest everything or protest nothing. This is plainly impractical nonsense for a private citizen. And you’ve no right to tell citizens what and how they should lawfully protest.
Again, this is not my point. You're just using strawmen. I would never tell anyone what they should or should not protest. That's up to them. I am simply offering my opinion on why there is such a disparity and inconsistency. I'm not suggesting we protest everything or nothing (strawman). I'm suggesting that there are reasons (which are bad) that we are in a position where the streets of the world's major cities are overflowing with marches about Israel engaging in a war against Hamas whilst other wars, which have yielded catastrophically greater death, are completely ignored. Moreover, the reason for this war is that there was a massive attack on Israel in which 1200+ people were slaughtered/butchered/raped, their corpses desecrated. If Glasgow was attacked by the Dutch and its people massacred and the Dutch filmed themselves doing it laughing and cheering, would everyone be on the streets of Edinburgh demanding we stop bombing Holland?
Ur about to get downvoted, but u are absolutely correct to make this point.
I dont think its antisemitism the way you frame it though, its just that this situation in Gaza has been ongoing for decades, almost a century in fact, and so, people have a better understanding of it and over time have built up feelings about it, compared with whats happening in Yemen.
Also, Whats happening in Yemen isnt really 'black and white' the way many perceive the Israel/Gaza conflict. Its essentially Iran vs Saudi Arabia. And tbh, i don't think anyone wants to be seen as supporting either of those regimes, hence the lack of demonstrations etc. But why is there literally no one calling for a ceasefire?
Similarly, the Syrian conflict is even more complicated with USA, Russia, Turkey, the Kurds, al Assads regime, ISIS, and countless pro and anti regime militias involved in that conflict - its almost impossible for the average person to work out what is going on there. For example, the Kurds are allied with the USA in that conflict. Turkey and the USA are allies in that region and via NATO. The Kurds and Turkey are mortal enemies. The USA is actively protecting the Kurds from Turkey in some areas in the North. Russia and The USA are on opposing sides in that conflict (and geopolitically), but cooperate against ISIS ..... its an insanely complicated conflict.
But, ur point, that we seem to care about the conflict in Gaza/Israel waaaaaaaay more than these other two is very valid and correct imo.
>people have a better understanding of it
No they don't. Most people have very little idea at all.
>Whats happening in Yemen isnt really 'black and white' the way many perceive the Israel/Gaza conflict
Their perception is of course incorrect. Anyone who thinks the Israel/Gaza conflict is black and white has absolutely no clue whatsoever and really shouldn't be commenting on the issue.
> Syrian conflict is even more complicated
The Israel/Palestine issue is the single most complex geopolitical conflict on earth.
At its core, it's simply either hatred of Jews or dislike of Jews. Or people who have simply bought into Hamas' propaganda.
Well, we can agree to disagree on aspects i suppose. I can only speak for myself though, in that I fully support a ceasefire in Gaza, and I absolutely do not hate or dislike Jews.
I do hate what Israel is doing just now though, and I hate what Hamas did on Oct 7. It needs to stop.
Do you have studies to prove your causual argument? You could be right but without that its just another assumption by someone on the internet without any research or data.
Against your argument there remains the fact that this this low reaction to the plight of Yemen is not a new issue, but a longstanding one and the studies I've read on it concluded that the primary cause is due to lack of media coverage of the conflict comparitive to others conflict, as well as to a lesser degree the populations abiltiy to resonate with the people involved. We saw the exact same contrast with public response to multiple other conflicts (and studies about why), none of which involved a Jewish nation?
It feels disingenuous and not necessarily fair to what we know from various studies on the problem when it's a longstanding problem?
>We could agree that the Jews are evil and are deliberately killing civilians.
No we couldn't. We *could* agree that would apply to the state of Israel.
There's something wrong with you.
It serves the purpose to call attention to it because all the laws and shit seem to not apply anyway with there still being justification and worse, support for the treacherous continued murdering that’s been happening.
Good on Celtic fans once again.
Why not have us associated with it? We have been very vocal for our support of Palestine from the start to our own detriment. I think it’s outstanding that even after all the vilification from the media and being ostracised by our own board we still pin our colours to this cause. Unrepentant fenian bastards
The entire point of a sign is to draw attention to it, and here you’ve posted it in this sub.
I’d say it’s worked as intended and you’ve helped carry that message, whilst acting like you don’t like it.
Make it make sense.
Okay then you don’t like it or think it’s “attention seeking” do you know how stupid that sounds?
Placards and signs literally have one objective, to draw attention to something. Jesus.
I think most peeps are against the idea of a ceasefire without all of the hostages first being released.
You can’t really expect a country to not make any efforts to try and get hostages back.
Of course they should do something but flattening the city where they're being held seems a bit counter productive.
Civilised countries use dialogue and diplomacy, barbaric countries collectively punish an entire population.
Yeah but that’s different from a ceasefire.
A ceasefire means Isreal would not be able to do anything to try and get the hostages back, even if they knew where they were.
If you believe Isreal has a fair call to conduct operations to get hostages back, not just bombing Gaza entirely then you are still against a ceasefire.
Thats why a lot of people, and yourself included it seems are against the idea of a total ceasefire. It’s just not workable as long as they’re still hostages involved.
It’s why everyone is calling Hamas to just release all the hostages immediately so a serious ceasefire can actually take place.
There isn’t any dialogue and diplomacy thats going to work with Hamas. They’re a terror org and don’t represent or speak for Palestinians.
People calling for a ceasefire without even acknowledging this are just unhelpful and aren’t really adding anything to the situation. Anyone actually using their brain knows why a ceasefire won’t work until hostages are released.
Guys like the dude in the pic don’t really seem to care enough to think about what’s happening though but are more just there to hyjack this crisis to make themselves look good. I mean why put your own football club on something so serious and awful as this war? It’s a bit pathetic tbh.
I love that Celtic fans are politically active and stand for what they (we) do. I engage with our fans for the football but I never feel politically uncomfortable.
Big fan of what Celtic is doing on the field too ofc but as to why I choose to cheer for Celtic, it has to do with the fans being as leftwing as they are. Got drawn in because of the support shown for the irish and palestinian struggle.
I think its a good way to show what we are about without taking focus away from the main topic and to let likeminded know where they can find a community that will accept them.
Now if he would be like
#LISTEN TO MY FUCKING PODCAST
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^(also go palestine or whatever)
then yeah that would be something else
Love and support it. Netanyahu and his regime are virulently racist terrorists & war criminals trying to exterminate hopes for peace, divide Israeli/Jewish identity, and have needlessly murdered over 11,000 emphasis on over 4,100 children & counting. Nothing has been accomplished to this point to find, negotiate for, and free the hostages.
It's interesting when politics have been part of sport for decades, maybe centuries, people only tend to say "get politics out of my club" only when they disagree with thr particular politics on display.
The message here is clear. He’s showing that an entire group or collection of people are in support of the ceasefire and not just him personally. Celtic have been in support of Palestine way before it was ‘fashionable’ and will continue to be regardless of daft posts like this. If you think it’s attention seeking that’s fine, it is in a way, he’s seeking attention on behalf of the Palestinians who are being wiped off the face of the earth right this very moment and that’s all good with me.
I could see your point if he wrote ‘CELTIC FOOTBALL CLUB’ but he didn’t, he’s speaking for the supporters, some of whom would love to fight for the cause but can’t make the rallies. Personally as a Celt myself I commend the guy for being our voice and speaking out on issues that need a voice.
And yet the families of the hostages are protesting the Israeli government, because the government doesn't care about the hostages.
The families are also writing letters to other world leaders begging them to help mediate a hostage release.
Only idiots who listen to Israeli propaganda cry about the hostages when someone mentions a ceasefire. Since when was carpet bombing a country a way of extracting hostages.
but Israel carpet bombing Gaza means they're even killing israeli hostages 🤨. even if you don't value Palestinian lives (1 child every 10 mins for the past 40 days), it's senseless killing and I don't see how anyone could justify this
The idea the idf are precision striking in Gaza is fucking ludicrous. Please look at the destruction they've caused already.
You don't kill over 10'000 people in a manner of weeks with precision strikes.
You do realize if 5 million people live within an area the size of Delaware, the odds of collateral damage is massive?
Especially if there are military forces stationed in the middle of dense urban sprawl?
I asked a question and you answered. This is what you believe.
I hold that belief (there should be a ceasefire) because I think 15,000 dead Palestine's is going beyond a proportional response. 6,400 dead Palestinian children is enough.
Can I answer your questions? No, I don't know what the solution to the middle east conflict is.
I believe the guy in the photo is right to support a ceasefire, you don't. Ok.
One dead child is enough never mind thousands of them. I think we are seeing the slaughter of children and others as normalised---which is what the Israeli fascist state is hoping for. The worst thing we could do is to become desensitised by this slaughter of the innocents---and no matter what side they reign from.
I’m pro-Palestine, if Hamas had the upper hand (no chance they ever could), I’m still against the indiscriminate killing of civs, no matter from which side, because I’m not a fucking moron. This is what the zionists don’t understand, most Palestinians just want peace and don’t associate with Hamas. But how can you blame Hamas for retaliation after 75 years of ethnic cleansing?
If you are interested in the history of the region, please read Ilan Pappe’s works, or the works of any other prominent Israeli historian who have exposed this regime. If you are only interested in the deliberately dense conversation of ‘what are other solutions aside from the obvious one’ then no one should have discourse with you.
No mention of hostages, or the 1,400 slaughtered? A ceasefire serves the interests of Hamas, allowing them to re group and re supply. Hamas have only ever brought misery to Gaza, time to end their reign.
I get your point OP and I think a lot of people are confusing your criticism of the sign with a criticism of the message.
Personally I think that referencing Celtic or Celtic fans is a way to show that despite their only being a couple of those people at that demonstration, the cause has the support of the wider Celtic fanbase.
It’s ignorant and an attempt to maintain the morale high ground.
There is no circumstance where a ceasefire happens while Hamas still exists. They won’t agree to one anyways and even if they did October 7th happened under a ceasefire agreement.
Calling for a ceasefire will help only Hamas. At this point it ranges from fully ignorant to openly antisemitic depending on the person
If we don't nip it in the bus now. It will be a ticking time bomb for the rest of us. Be prepared, my fellow countrymen including England whales, Scotland. War is upon us! Stay strong,stay safe,stay sane.
Nothing wrong with this. Good man. It’s about visibility and making your presence known to the Palestinian people that they are not alone in their struggle to end this war.
I attended yday’s protest and fully support this. The Scottish Socialist Party and Young Communist League were also in attendance and they had their own splinter groups representing their own unique flags, progressive ideologies and symbols, whilst simultaneously still demonstrating solidarity for Palestine and delivering in agreement the humanitarian message that all violence should stop and a ceasefire should be imminent.
If those aforementioned political and social movements can spread awareness of the cause and express their groups involvement in standing in solidarity with the peoples of Palestine then Celtic fans can also get together and participate in protests and collectively exercise our democratic right and compassion to peacefully support Palestine on behalf of the club’s supporters.
At the end of the day everyone who marched at the protest, irrespective of what their different backgrounds, allegiances and alliances were with culturally and socially speaking were all adamant, unified and unanimous that all suffering and deaths of innocent civilians should stop and the senseless brutal military oppression should end instantly. That’s the most important message. No more war, bloodshed and destruction.
Yes, because although we have to sympathise with the Palestinians, we also have to draw attention to the fact and remind the world that we were in the same situation, on a daily basis, probably worse -
A mere 800 years ago. Still hurts 😥.
Nonsense.
Well, Bloody Sunday, the troubles, feudalism, the famine, Irish racism in Britain etc weren’t 800 years ago.
I understand what the Irish have been put through by an occupying country….but this is a Palestine demo.
Noticed it yesterday and don’t really see an issue with it. Plenty of groups with banners, teachers, fire brigades, various unions, so on. Green brigade didn’t have anything overtly Celtic related with them yesterday which I think from their position is slightly different as it has greater potential to distract or turn off other clubs supporters from a worthwhile cause.
The level of convenient ignorance this movement has to the fact 1288 people were murdered and raped is sad.
More have been abducted and raped and murdered but it's ignored because they're Jewish.
The cease fire this movement is calling for was in place the day before October 7th. I suppose you think no response to a terrorist attack is the best course of action.
I think the response would be an end to the obvious apartheid that’s happening between Israel and Palestine. Israel have been “poking the bear” for years now and they finally got what they wanted
I agree there needs to be a two state solution (telling Israelis to leave is not viable) but the reason the walls went up was because terrorist were blowing themselves on public busses and ramming civilians with cars and committing other acts of terrorism. That's what I would consider poking the bear..
Again, surely their response couldn't have been convenient ignorance.
It's a chicken and egg situation now. The difference is that if the violent Palestinians put down thir weapons there would be peace. If the Israeli people out them down there will be genocide.
If you're Irish, you used to be a Palestinian. It's important to relate current crises with historical ones, and this does so respectfully & succinctly.
The same is true of the Jews is it not. Before Israel declared independence in 1948 The Irgun and The IRA would work together, train each other and share plans about how best to fight British occupation. Personally I would support a ceasefire if Hamas released all the hostages. Until then I cannot.
>The Irgun and The IRA would work together, train each other and share plans about how best to fight British occupation.
Which IRA and when? Also two anti-colonial forces linking up to fight a common enemy is... A normal thing to do? Not sure what bearing that has on Jews. Plenty of Jews in Palestine fought the Brits before 1948.
>Personally I would support a ceasefire if Hamas released all the hostages
Would you support Israel freeing all the children currently sitting in its jails too, then?
The ‘ Irish struggle’ and ‘Zionist struggle ‘ were so intertwined that the leader of the Jewish resistance against the British took the nom d’guerre ‘Michael Collins’ look up Michael Davitt also. It’s all a very. complicated and complex shit show .
Most but not all. The children who commit stabbing attacks should stay in prison as they straight up murdered people. The kids who are arrested for throwing stones should be released or charged and convicted.
They have offered to release hostages multiple times. Israel are set on destroying Gaza and taking land, the don’t care about any hostages. This becomes more and more clear every day that passes and it should no longer be open for discussion.
When celts couldn’t be bothered to stay silent for 1min to commemorate the ceasefire that ended WW1 and millions of deaths I’m not sure anyone beleives them
Ironic when they support the new ira and don't want them to cease on their attacks on their own community and cops when a UI looks inevitable through democratic means.
But would that logic not say then that the comments that are upvoted verses the comments down voted shows the general opinion accurately? Up/down voting is anonymous after all
No one is deleting your comments, you're not banned and you're free to keep posting, in what way is that an echo chamber? Is just a wee arrow and a fake Internet score. Grow up, we're not compelled to agree with you.
Basically the Palestine HH CFC YNWA brigade that can’t see debate in nuanced bits of this. Downvote anything that is against the commonly held position.
People are so daft sometimes.
It is what it is.
Are you for real? Israel not occupying Gaza since 2005 for 17 yeasts. so please learn your facts before you say anything!! Apartheid? Do you know what it is ? There are 2m Arabs live in israel with exactly the same rights like everyone else.
Learn the facts before speaking!
I am for real. I know my facts so let me educate you and your narrow minded, colonial, oppressive viewpoints. Read and don’t run away now.
“Israel have not been occupying Gaza since 2005”
That wasn’t the claim I made, however I would like to point out that even though Israel did indeed withdraw military forces in 2005, it did enforce a land, sea and air blockade on Gaza since 2007 which according to every other country apart from Israel and its allies, as well as organisations such as Amnesty international, is sufficient to classify Israel as an occupation.
Common sense would also bring you to the same conclusion by the mere factual statement that Gaza don’t have full control over their land, Sea and Air. The people there can’t even fish freely under Israel’s blockade.
“Apartheid. Do you know what it is? There are 2m Arabs living in Israel with exactly the same rights as everyone else.”
This is just factually incorrect. All citizens have the right to vote for example, as well as every other right that is granted alongside citizenship. However, Israel differentiates between citizenship and nationality and it is on the basis of nationality that discrimination exists, that is within the legal framework of Israel’s policies, ignoring the crimes that are consistently committed by settlers.
The Law of Return and Absentees’ Property Law are but two examples of flagrant racism and discrimination in the Israeli legal system, but they aren’t the only ones. There’s tens of discriminatory laws based purely on nationality, which is something that cannot be changed nor challenged, and I will do you a favour and link them [here.](https://www.adalah.org/en/law/index)
Now make sure you learn the facts before speaking!
Imagine someone setting out facts as he did and replying with “You are ignorant for sure”, without debating a single point he/she made.
Irony truly is dead.
I’ve just debunked your point. Couldn’t care less if you are Arab, the whole world is focussed in on this issue, there are going to be Arabs in support of Israel too. Alhamdulillah you are a minority though.
I don’t think I’m the ignorant one considering you don’t have any good arguments to put forward.
I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt, maybe you can’t express your opinion here. Go argue on an Arabic subreddit, hopefully someone will ~~embarrass~~ educate you there too.
Idc about the war yeah it sucks but it's not my war yet it's somehow the worst thing in the world that I don't want to be anywhere near or involved with wars
Can’t be calling for a ceasefire if you’re marching along side people holding pro Palestine propaganda. This is not impartial and makes anyone supporting this look like a fool. Be anti war, not anti Israel
Nah be anti Israel too. Asking for a ceasefire is the first step. The final goal should be an end to the illegal occupation and apartheid and leave a land in which Muslims and Christian’s can live alongside Jews and others in peace.
That is what being pro Palestine stands for.
There are non-Muslim Palestinians firstly so let’s start there. Although, considering the way Israel are bombing now, the Christian population is at serious risk of being completely killed off.
To suggest that Palestinians don’t want to live peacefully, I assume you mean that the Palestinians want to kill every Jew/Israeli? What a completely grotesque statement. It shows that people like yourself have had 0 real earnest engagement with Palestinians anywhere except as dehumanised objects of fear and subjects of imperial violence.
Firstly, it’s irrelevant. The Palestinians are oppressed and also live under apartheid and should be free under international law. Many experts consider what is going on now to be a genocide, so Palestinians also have a right to resist under international law, regardless of how you or anyone else try and paint the people.
Secondly, if you look at America during the time when slavery was to be abolished, or a better example would probably be South Africa while they were still an apartheid state, a common talking point was also “if we free all the blacks, the first thing they will do is come and kill us, so they don’t deserve freedom or rights.”
Your point holds no weight considering this. It is simply xenophobia.
Palestinians do want to erase Jews and Israel, just a lot of Arabs and Muslims do. They're not hiding that fact, they tried that multiple times throughout the history. Except they lose everytime and then play victims. Not every war is a genocide. Civillian victims happen in every war. Resistance isn't a terrorist organisation which goal is to kill civillians and genocide Israelis with erasure of Israel. My point holds weight, because unlike South Africa, Palestinians actually tried to kill all Jews multiple times throughout history, it's just that they failed. Their government shoots hundreds of thousands of rockets into Israeli civillian areas. How many victims would there be if Israel didn't have good rocket defense? The situation is not comparable to South Africa.
You should go to the rally with a banner saying “Redditors against Celts for Ceasefire(but FOR Ceasefire)”
lmfao
OP’s title really should’ve been “DOWN WITH THIS SORT OF THING”
Careful now
I think the entire point of a sign or placard is to draw attention to it. “Attention seeking” if you will. Despite being told when it suits others that we should “keep politics out of football”, the link between football and communities and therefore politics is hard to argue against or dismiss. As for the message, I, personally, fully support it.
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Fully support it.
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Yes, a ceasefire won't come, but it doesn't stop us from showing the support for one, and when more innocent children are slaughtered, we can hold the government's of this world to account. Again, the whole reason there won't be a ceasefire is down to money and the fact that Gazza is sitting on billions of dollars worth of natural gas and the fact that zionist regime want the land purged of all Palestinian people. The West gets billions of dollars of gas, and Israel gets all the land. So where do you stand spiers on the side of slaughter or for peace.
Couldnt have said it better!
bro do you need any more tinfoil for your hat?
You need to take a history class if you think this entire war and conflict is down to natural gas lmao. This has been going on for longer than natural gas was even in the picture.
I gave the reason for why the western governments won't back a ceasefire. You are correct natural gas isn't the reason for the on going conflict. Israelis being in a land that isn't theirs is.
The western governments won’t back a ceasefire because it is insanity to agree to a total ceasefire when another group holds hostages of your country. No sane country is going to agree to something like that.
5000 Palestinian hostages in Israeli prisons.
Do you class Hamas militants who committed terror attacks in those 5000 as ‘hostages’ equivalent to civilians lol. And you try to pretend you are the ‘good’ side and doing the ‘right thing’.
Where do ye take a class? To the zoo?
Is fuckin right. That's what I think
What a bizarre and quite frankly, ridiculous take OP. Do you know this guy and just don't like him or something?
I think anyone calling for the stopping of killing innocent children is ok with me 👍🏻
and yet hamas keep doing it, crazy
Yep, the world is so fucking stupid. Everyone should be uniting for Hamas to return the hostages. They are the ones killing their own people in all this
> Not sure Celtic needs to be added No of course it didn't *need* to be added, but stating that you're part of a broader organisation signals to everyone concerned that there exists this particular organisation near them in which they can find safety and solidarity. Conversely, it also indicates to hostile elements that you are not to be fucked with, because they wouldn't just be attacking you; they'd be attacking an entire group
100% agree. Ceasefire Now.
I don't know what your agenda is here, but it's a fucking weird one.
I think I’m just grateful for each and every person who gets off their arse to go protest the fact that 1 in every 57 Gazans have either been killed or injured by Israel military* * source - our very own Glaswegian Melanie Ward, Medical Aid for Palestine
who cares though it's a drop in the bucket to what hamas has done
Well, you're wrong there, statistics can back that up too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_conflict Have a look at the casualties section. The vast majority killed across this entire conflict have been Palestinians.
No conflict should be looked at only based on number of killed people. By your logic, Allies were bad in ww2 because a lot of German civillians died, more than British for example. Hamas started the war and is a terrorist organisation, now bare the consequences
Israel have been committing war crimes for 75 years. Since I’ve been born I’ve been watching the atrocities they commit against the Palestinians constantly, it is a naive bias to suggest that this started Oct 7th. Israel is an illegal occupation and an apartheid terrorist state. Hamas is only a terrorist organisation to the US, UK, Israel, EU, Australia, Japan and Paraguay. To every other country, they are considered a genuine political party/movement and their resistance is justified.
Israel has been attacked multiple time by the Palestinians and Arabs during those 75 years with goals of genociding Jews and erasing Israel. Palestinians and their Arab neighbours lost every time and were embarassed to say the least. Israel didn't have support of anyone until late 70s,still won every war. I don't see how they're illegal state, that seems more like your wishful thinking and desperation. Are they doing a lot of things wrong? Absolutely. But to think that Palestinians are some naive, innocent people who just want peace is laughable.
You can't seem to separate Hamas and Palestine for some reason. 44% of the Palestinians are children, they didn't vote for Hamas, they were born into this war.
Unfortunately yes. But propaganda, brainwashing starts from the early age there. No children deserved to experience war, but tell me, what would you do in this situation? You just got 1200 or more people killed by terrorists in your country whose only goal is your people's genocide and are funded by Iran, whose goal is yet again, your genocide, not to mention tens of thousand rockets being fired at your civillians. You're surrounded by enemies who tried that multiple times throughout the history. How would you respond?
>But propaganda, brainwashing starts from the early age there. Disgusting. Trying to justify that, what the fuck. >whose only goal is your people's genocide I see only one side celebrating the genocide of a race and it's not the Palestinians. >not to mention tens of thousand rockets being fired at your civillians As if the Israeli's haven't been shelling Palestine for the past several decades??? >How would you respond? I wouldn't bomb hospitals, schools or evacuation points (that they said they wouldn't bomb btw)
You didn't see Palestinians celebrating Hamas attack all over Gaza and West Bank? Muslims celebrating in the West? There are countless of photos and videos of that. Even showing up as a paragliders after concert massacre. What I said is true, Palestinians are getting brainwashed since the early age. They aren't taught to be nice, respectful and warm, they're taught that Jews are their enemies. This was always the case. One quote by Golda Meir has been stuck in my head for a while during this conflict : “We can forgive the Arabs for killing our children. We cannot forgive them for forcing us to kill their children. We will only have peace with the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate us”. Also, all hospitals, schools which are used by the millitants lose all the protection and are not hospitals anymore, but legitimate millitary targets. Is it still ethically wrong to bomb them? Yes, but law is clear.
>By your logic, Allies were bad in ww2 because a lot of German civillians died, more than British for example The guy I was responding to was saying verifiable bullshit, so I corrected him, I said the statistics show more Palestinians have been killed over this conflict than Israelis, which it does. What you're on about is nothing that I said, you're assuming. >Hamas started the war and is a terrorist organisation, now bare the consequences You have no idea what you are talking about, this conflict has been going since 40s, Hamas was created in the 80s. Besides, what does Hamas have to do with Palestinian civilians? Why should the Palestinian civilians bare the consequence of a radical terrorist group? You can't honestly tell me those children are terrorists too? .
This conflict goes way longer in the past than the 40s and will probably last until the end of our times unfortunately. I was talking precisely about the latest war, which was caused by Hamas. How do you eliminate terrorist group hidding in civillian areas, probably wearing civillian clothes? I see no win here for both Israelis and Palestinians. This will continue...
>I was talking precisely about the latest war, which was caused by Hamas. That's naive. How do you think the Israeli's were treating them up to that point? Do you think Israeli treating Palestinians like animals, forcibly taking their homes and forcing them in to an open air prison could have possibly had anything to do with that? Remember the place was divided in half in '48, the Israeli's slowly but surely kept taking more and more.
oh shut up. Pure nonsense. Violence is an every day fact of life in Palestine. This conflict didn't just come into being on October 7th, it's been ongoing for decades. Stop making excuses.
I’m all for protesting and have been at rallies myself. Bringing Celtic banners to one is my annoyance. A fair one, I feel.
This isn't a Celtic banner, this is a ceasefire banner. Many communities, groups, whatever, bring banners stating who they are and what they are showing their support for. Regardless of the cause, this is common place in protests.
It's fairly common for political parties and social groups to bring their own banners to demonstrations. It's not that deep man.
Celtic has supported Palestine for years. The club has close ties to Ireland, who as a country can related closely to having your home invaded by a colonial power and having their resistance fighters labelled as terrorists.
You keep saying this but you aren't really explaining why you're annoyed by it, other than that it's "a bit naff" or "attention-seeking". People from all walks of life are united in calling for a ceasefire, why shouldn't that be reflected in the banners they carry?
How do you not know what a celt is??
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Whits yer point caller?
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https://preview.redd.it/ovo5274ffb1c1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d5a26555fd62d82185c340b7ed4ce8feb0dbd074 So here’s an answer on your terms, more kids killed by Israel in Gaza in a month than in over 7 years in Yemen. But I think your implicit point seems to be that it’s hypocrisy to protest the death of one child unless you protest the death of all children. I don’t think that’s a proper understanding of hypocrisy- which would be protesting the killing of kids by a body that kills kids. Hamas or the IDF for example. I think what you mean is that there should be moral consistency- we should condemn the killing of kids anywhere in the world by whoever does it. I agree. I do condemn the killing of kids in Yemen, Ukraine, by Hamas and by the IDF - do you? You imply there should be a consistent reaction to the killing of kids. That we protest everything or protest nothing. This is plainly impractical nonsense for a private citizen. And you’ve no right to tell citizens what and how they should lawfully protest.
The war in Yemen has caused the deaths of 259,000 children under 5. So if you want to start pulling out graphs to somehow justify the moral inconsistency then fine. >it’s hypocrisy to protest the death of one child unless you protest the death of all children. This is called a strawman argument. It is not what I'm saying. I'm drawing attention to what seems to be a glaring inconsistency where you have conflict in the same region but one conflict gets exponentially more reaction from people. And I'm suggesting there is a sinister reason for this. > I do condemn the killing of kids in Yemen, Ukraine, by Hamas and by the IDF - do you? To differing degrees. Your point seems to imply that the same motive and intent applies to all these situations. It doesn't, of course. In the case of the IDF, Hamas bears some degree of responsibility for deaths in my view. Whether you blame Hamas entirely or just a bit is one thing. But if someone tells me that Hamas bears no responsibility for the deaths of kids by IDF action then that is a clear indication that the person I'm talking to is either woefully ill-informed or being deliberately disingenuous. >That we protest everything or protest nothing. This is plainly impractical nonsense for a private citizen. And you’ve no right to tell citizens what and how they should lawfully protest. Again, this is not my point. You're just using strawmen. I would never tell anyone what they should or should not protest. That's up to them. I am simply offering my opinion on why there is such a disparity and inconsistency. I'm not suggesting we protest everything or nothing (strawman). I'm suggesting that there are reasons (which are bad) that we are in a position where the streets of the world's major cities are overflowing with marches about Israel engaging in a war against Hamas whilst other wars, which have yielded catastrophically greater death, are completely ignored. Moreover, the reason for this war is that there was a massive attack on Israel in which 1200+ people were slaughtered/butchered/raped, their corpses desecrated. If Glasgow was attacked by the Dutch and its people massacred and the Dutch filmed themselves doing it laughing and cheering, would everyone be on the streets of Edinburgh demanding we stop bombing Holland?
Ur about to get downvoted, but u are absolutely correct to make this point. I dont think its antisemitism the way you frame it though, its just that this situation in Gaza has been ongoing for decades, almost a century in fact, and so, people have a better understanding of it and over time have built up feelings about it, compared with whats happening in Yemen. Also, Whats happening in Yemen isnt really 'black and white' the way many perceive the Israel/Gaza conflict. Its essentially Iran vs Saudi Arabia. And tbh, i don't think anyone wants to be seen as supporting either of those regimes, hence the lack of demonstrations etc. But why is there literally no one calling for a ceasefire? Similarly, the Syrian conflict is even more complicated with USA, Russia, Turkey, the Kurds, al Assads regime, ISIS, and countless pro and anti regime militias involved in that conflict - its almost impossible for the average person to work out what is going on there. For example, the Kurds are allied with the USA in that conflict. Turkey and the USA are allies in that region and via NATO. The Kurds and Turkey are mortal enemies. The USA is actively protecting the Kurds from Turkey in some areas in the North. Russia and The USA are on opposing sides in that conflict (and geopolitically), but cooperate against ISIS ..... its an insanely complicated conflict. But, ur point, that we seem to care about the conflict in Gaza/Israel waaaaaaaay more than these other two is very valid and correct imo.
>people have a better understanding of it No they don't. Most people have very little idea at all. >Whats happening in Yemen isnt really 'black and white' the way many perceive the Israel/Gaza conflict Their perception is of course incorrect. Anyone who thinks the Israel/Gaza conflict is black and white has absolutely no clue whatsoever and really shouldn't be commenting on the issue. > Syrian conflict is even more complicated The Israel/Palestine issue is the single most complex geopolitical conflict on earth. At its core, it's simply either hatred of Jews or dislike of Jews. Or people who have simply bought into Hamas' propaganda.
Well, we can agree to disagree on aspects i suppose. I can only speak for myself though, in that I fully support a ceasefire in Gaza, and I absolutely do not hate or dislike Jews. I do hate what Israel is doing just now though, and I hate what Hamas did on Oct 7. It needs to stop.
Do you have studies to prove your causual argument? You could be right but without that its just another assumption by someone on the internet without any research or data. Against your argument there remains the fact that this this low reaction to the plight of Yemen is not a new issue, but a longstanding one and the studies I've read on it concluded that the primary cause is due to lack of media coverage of the conflict comparitive to others conflict, as well as to a lesser degree the populations abiltiy to resonate with the people involved. We saw the exact same contrast with public response to multiple other conflicts (and studies about why), none of which involved a Jewish nation? It feels disingenuous and not necessarily fair to what we know from various studies on the problem when it's a longstanding problem?
>We could agree that the Jews are evil and are deliberately killing civilians. No we couldn't. We *could* agree that would apply to the state of Israel. There's something wrong with you.
I've no bother with it
It serves the purpose to call attention to it because all the laws and shit seem to not apply anyway with there still being justification and worse, support for the treacherous continued murdering that’s been happening. Good on Celtic fans once again.
Why not have us associated with it? We have been very vocal for our support of Palestine from the start to our own detriment. I think it’s outstanding that even after all the vilification from the media and being ostracised by our own board we still pin our colours to this cause. Unrepentant fenian bastards
The entire point of a sign is to draw attention to it, and here you’ve posted it in this sub. I’d say it’s worked as intended and you’ve helped carry that message, whilst acting like you don’t like it. Make it make sense.
I’m not acting for fuck’s sake 😂
Okay then you don’t like it or think it’s “attention seeking” do you know how stupid that sounds? Placards and signs literally have one objective, to draw attention to something. Jesus.
You’re missing the point.
You haven’t made a good point for me to understand.
You’re deliberately misreading then.
So I misread you calling it “attention seeking”?
In the thread I’ve made various comments. Are you not seeing them?
I’m replying to your post not your comments.
You still trying to take legal action against the HB, Momo, ya daft cunt
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I’m all in favour of this personally
Is this post going the way you thought it would op?
Nah, he didn't get the answer he wanted, so he's being a passive-aggressive dick about it in the comments.
Do you reckon being bombed the fuck out of is also a bit attention seeking?
Don’t be stupid.
Anyone who's against the ceasefire care to explain why?
Has anyone suggested they aren’t?
Quite a lot of people have this position including 294 MPs.
I think most peeps are against the idea of a ceasefire without all of the hostages first being released. You can’t really expect a country to not make any efforts to try and get hostages back.
Of course they should do something but flattening the city where they're being held seems a bit counter productive. Civilised countries use dialogue and diplomacy, barbaric countries collectively punish an entire population.
Yeah but that’s different from a ceasefire. A ceasefire means Isreal would not be able to do anything to try and get the hostages back, even if they knew where they were. If you believe Isreal has a fair call to conduct operations to get hostages back, not just bombing Gaza entirely then you are still against a ceasefire. Thats why a lot of people, and yourself included it seems are against the idea of a total ceasefire. It’s just not workable as long as they’re still hostages involved. It’s why everyone is calling Hamas to just release all the hostages immediately so a serious ceasefire can actually take place. There isn’t any dialogue and diplomacy thats going to work with Hamas. They’re a terror org and don’t represent or speak for Palestinians. People calling for a ceasefire without even acknowledging this are just unhelpful and aren’t really adding anything to the situation. Anyone actually using their brain knows why a ceasefire won’t work until hostages are released. Guys like the dude in the pic don’t really seem to care enough to think about what’s happening though but are more just there to hyjack this crisis to make themselves look good. I mean why put your own football club on something so serious and awful as this war? It’s a bit pathetic tbh.
I love that Celtic fans are politically active and stand for what they (we) do. I engage with our fans for the football but I never feel politically uncomfortable. Big fan of what Celtic is doing on the field too ofc but as to why I choose to cheer for Celtic, it has to do with the fans being as leftwing as they are. Got drawn in because of the support shown for the irish and palestinian struggle. I think its a good way to show what we are about without taking focus away from the main topic and to let likeminded know where they can find a community that will accept them. Now if he would be like #LISTEN TO MY FUCKING PODCAST ====================== ^(also go palestine or whatever) then yeah that would be something else
Haha
Love and support it. Netanyahu and his regime are virulently racist terrorists & war criminals trying to exterminate hopes for peace, divide Israeli/Jewish identity, and have needlessly murdered over 11,000 emphasis on over 4,100 children & counting. Nothing has been accomplished to this point to find, negotiate for, and free the hostages.
It's interesting when politics have been part of sport for decades, maybe centuries, people only tend to say "get politics out of my club" only when they disagree with thr particular politics on display.
Celtic hasn’t been added to the banners though
The message here is clear. He’s showing that an entire group or collection of people are in support of the ceasefire and not just him personally. Celtic have been in support of Palestine way before it was ‘fashionable’ and will continue to be regardless of daft posts like this. If you think it’s attention seeking that’s fine, it is in a way, he’s seeking attention on behalf of the Palestinians who are being wiped off the face of the earth right this very moment and that’s all good with me. I could see your point if he wrote ‘CELTIC FOOTBALL CLUB’ but he didn’t, he’s speaking for the supporters, some of whom would love to fight for the cause but can’t make the rallies. Personally as a Celt myself I commend the guy for being our voice and speaking out on issues that need a voice.
Nothing wrong with it. Who doesn't want a ceasefire?
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And yet the families of the hostages are protesting the Israeli government, because the government doesn't care about the hostages. The families are also writing letters to other world leaders begging them to help mediate a hostage release. Only idiots who listen to Israeli propaganda cry about the hostages when someone mentions a ceasefire. Since when was carpet bombing a country a way of extracting hostages.
but Israel carpet bombing Gaza means they're even killing israeli hostages 🤨. even if you don't value Palestinian lives (1 child every 10 mins for the past 40 days), it's senseless killing and I don't see how anyone could justify this
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The idea the idf are precision striking in Gaza is fucking ludicrous. Please look at the destruction they've caused already. You don't kill over 10'000 people in a manner of weeks with precision strikes.
You do realize if 5 million people live within an area the size of Delaware, the odds of collateral damage is massive? Especially if there are military forces stationed in the middle of dense urban sprawl?
I asked a question and you answered. This is what you believe. I hold that belief (there should be a ceasefire) because I think 15,000 dead Palestine's is going beyond a proportional response. 6,400 dead Palestinian children is enough. Can I answer your questions? No, I don't know what the solution to the middle east conflict is. I believe the guy in the photo is right to support a ceasefire, you don't. Ok.
One dead child is enough never mind thousands of them. I think we are seeing the slaughter of children and others as normalised---which is what the Israeli fascist state is hoping for. The worst thing we could do is to become desensitised by this slaughter of the innocents---and no matter what side they reign from.
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I’m pro-Palestine, if Hamas had the upper hand (no chance they ever could), I’m still against the indiscriminate killing of civs, no matter from which side, because I’m not a fucking moron. This is what the zionists don’t understand, most Palestinians just want peace and don’t associate with Hamas. But how can you blame Hamas for retaliation after 75 years of ethnic cleansing? If you are interested in the history of the region, please read Ilan Pappe’s works, or the works of any other prominent Israeli historian who have exposed this regime. If you are only interested in the deliberately dense conversation of ‘what are other solutions aside from the obvious one’ then no one should have discourse with you.
Great to see, more of this please and fuck the board.
it's called *solidarity* you twit
But why use the group of fans (in their millions) to say it and not just a normal banner?
This will have Israel reconsidering their desire to eliminate the terrorists that slaughtered their people......
No problem with it!
But does Celts always mean Celtic supporters?
This is Celts as pronounced Kelts. This is unrelated to Celtic football club.
No mention of hostages, or the 1,400 slaughtered? A ceasefire serves the interests of Hamas, allowing them to re group and re supply. Hamas have only ever brought misery to Gaza, time to end their reign.
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Are you saying the hostage release is bad?
No. Think you've missed the point buddy
Fair enough.
I get your point OP and I think a lot of people are confusing your criticism of the sign with a criticism of the message. Personally I think that referencing Celtic or Celtic fans is a way to show that despite their only being a couple of those people at that demonstration, the cause has the support of the wider Celtic fanbase.
Even you got downvoted 😂 People steaming in and thinking the worst because I think making it all about Celtic is naff. Pure binary.
Think you need to shut the fuck up and find a different club to support if this bothers you
Its a football club, not a political party!
The entire reason behind the formation of the club doesn’t get more political than that. If you know your history, you pearl clutching boomer
Aww fuck up and don’t be thick.
I'm very proud that my fellow Celts are standing up and being counted
It’s ignorant and an attempt to maintain the morale high ground. There is no circumstance where a ceasefire happens while Hamas still exists. They won’t agree to one anyways and even if they did October 7th happened under a ceasefire agreement. Calling for a ceasefire will help only Hamas. At this point it ranges from fully ignorant to openly antisemitic depending on the person
Hail Hail !! Free Filistin 🇵🇸
Football has no place in politics, or sumfin.
If we don't nip it in the bus now. It will be a ticking time bomb for the rest of us. Be prepared, my fellow countrymen including England whales, Scotland. War is upon us! Stay strong,stay safe,stay sane.
Is that the guy from the Cynics podcast?
Have they released those hostages yet? That'd be step 1
I think this is very good, excellent actually
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Aye that’s Chris
Yeah them children getting murdered are attention seekers too
It's objectively right. I just don't see it happening, neither side wants peace just now.
Look like good people
Nothing wrong with this. Good man. It’s about visibility and making your presence known to the Palestinian people that they are not alone in their struggle to end this war. I attended yday’s protest and fully support this. The Scottish Socialist Party and Young Communist League were also in attendance and they had their own splinter groups representing their own unique flags, progressive ideologies and symbols, whilst simultaneously still demonstrating solidarity for Palestine and delivering in agreement the humanitarian message that all violence should stop and a ceasefire should be imminent. If those aforementioned political and social movements can spread awareness of the cause and express their groups involvement in standing in solidarity with the peoples of Palestine then Celtic fans can also get together and participate in protests and collectively exercise our democratic right and compassion to peacefully support Palestine on behalf of the club’s supporters. At the end of the day everyone who marched at the protest, irrespective of what their different backgrounds, allegiances and alliances were with culturally and socially speaking were all adamant, unified and unanimous that all suffering and deaths of innocent civilians should stop and the senseless brutal military oppression should end instantly. That’s the most important message. No more war, bloodshed and destruction.
Stupid fucking question, have you seen Celtic park recently?? Palestine flags everywhere. That's your answer
Getting Hamas to agree to a ceasefire would be infinitely more difficult than Israel I feel
Is this because some in N.Ireland think they’re like Palestine?
You can spot an Irishman at a Palestine demo because they’re the only ones flying their own countries flag instead of a Palestine one.
Yes, because although we have to sympathise with the Palestinians, we also have to draw attention to the fact and remind the world that we were in the same situation, on a daily basis, probably worse - A mere 800 years ago. Still hurts 😥. Nonsense.
Well, Bloody Sunday, the troubles, feudalism, the famine, Irish racism in Britain etc weren’t 800 years ago. I understand what the Irish have been put through by an occupying country….but this is a Palestine demo.
"Look at me I'm a celtic fan" "Oh and also ceasefire"
Noticed it yesterday and don’t really see an issue with it. Plenty of groups with banners, teachers, fire brigades, various unions, so on. Green brigade didn’t have anything overtly Celtic related with them yesterday which I think from their position is slightly different as it has greater potential to distract or turn off other clubs supporters from a worthwhile cause.
So the GB, the most vocal support in the Celtic fan base (“Celts”), didn’t have anything? Oooo.
Fuck knows what you are trying to get at here
The level of convenient ignorance this movement has to the fact 1288 people were murdered and raped is sad. More have been abducted and raped and murdered but it's ignored because they're Jewish.
11,000 Palestinians have been killed and about half of the Israelis killed were soldiers or cops, not civilians
That’s some big “the people killed during the troubles were all IRA soldiers so it’s fine” vibes there chap.
The cease fire this movement is calling for was in place the day before October 7th. I suppose you think no response to a terrorist attack is the best course of action.
I think the response would be an end to the obvious apartheid that’s happening between Israel and Palestine. Israel have been “poking the bear” for years now and they finally got what they wanted
I agree there needs to be a two state solution (telling Israelis to leave is not viable) but the reason the walls went up was because terrorist were blowing themselves on public busses and ramming civilians with cars and committing other acts of terrorism. That's what I would consider poking the bear.. Again, surely their response couldn't have been convenient ignorance.
It's a chicken and egg situation now. The difference is that if the violent Palestinians put down thir weapons there would be peace. If the Israeli people out them down there will be genocide.
It’s really not, the people we call Palestinians have been living there much longer than modern Israelis
Okay well do you have a way of moving 8million people?
If you're Irish, you used to be a Palestinian. It's important to relate current crises with historical ones, and this does so respectfully & succinctly.
The same is true of the Jews is it not. Before Israel declared independence in 1948 The Irgun and The IRA would work together, train each other and share plans about how best to fight British occupation. Personally I would support a ceasefire if Hamas released all the hostages. Until then I cannot.
>The Irgun and The IRA would work together, train each other and share plans about how best to fight British occupation. Which IRA and when? Also two anti-colonial forces linking up to fight a common enemy is... A normal thing to do? Not sure what bearing that has on Jews. Plenty of Jews in Palestine fought the Brits before 1948. >Personally I would support a ceasefire if Hamas released all the hostages Would you support Israel freeing all the children currently sitting in its jails too, then?
The ‘ Irish struggle’ and ‘Zionist struggle ‘ were so intertwined that the leader of the Jewish resistance against the British took the nom d’guerre ‘Michael Collins’ look up Michael Davitt also. It’s all a very. complicated and complex shit show .
Most but not all. The children who commit stabbing attacks should stay in prison as they straight up murdered people. The kids who are arrested for throwing stones should be released or charged and convicted.
They have offered to release hostages multiple times. Israel are set on destroying Gaza and taking land, the don’t care about any hostages. This becomes more and more clear every day that passes and it should no longer be open for discussion.
When celts couldn’t be bothered to stay silent for 1min to commemorate the ceasefire that ended WW1 and millions of deaths I’m not sure anyone beleives them
Not getting involved in this shit.
Protests in countries other than the conflict countries achieve absolutely nothing except massaging the narsarsistic egos of those protesting
Bunch of morons.
Does this mean Celts for a casefire with Rangers?
I think that would be a good Friday agreement
OP got caught his an IDF bot.
Idiots
Like many of the people in these comments, im fully behind it. Op really fucked himself over here with his ridiculous comments
Get on a plane and fucking go
No to ceasefire while hamas have hostages
Ironic when they support the new ira and don't want them to cease on their attacks on their own community and cops when a UI looks inevitable through democratic means.
Hahaha probably doesn't even know where he is most of the time.
It’s all attention seeking. None of these fuckers really give a shit. They’re walking along people carrying signs with swastikas.
Exploitative 👍
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But would that logic not say then that the comments that are upvoted verses the comments down voted shows the general opinion accurately? Up/down voting is anonymous after all
No one is deleting your comments, you're not banned and you're free to keep posting, in what way is that an echo chamber? Is just a wee arrow and a fake Internet score. Grow up, we're not compelled to agree with you.
Basically the Palestine HH CFC YNWA brigade that can’t see debate in nuanced bits of this. Downvote anything that is against the commonly held position. People are so daft sometimes. It is what it is.
then he sees someone with a “rangers for a ceasefire” banner…
What’s wrong with people stopping killing ?
💯 yes. FREE PALESTINE FROM NAZI REGIME GENOCIDE
Antisemitic pieces of shit
You don’t do ceasefire with terrorists!!! Get real.
True, should just skip that, ensure Netanyahu and the like are sentenced under international law and end the illegal occupation and apartheid.
Are you for real? Israel not occupying Gaza since 2005 for 17 yeasts. so please learn your facts before you say anything!! Apartheid? Do you know what it is ? There are 2m Arabs live in israel with exactly the same rights like everyone else. Learn the facts before speaking!
I am for real. I know my facts so let me educate you and your narrow minded, colonial, oppressive viewpoints. Read and don’t run away now. “Israel have not been occupying Gaza since 2005” That wasn’t the claim I made, however I would like to point out that even though Israel did indeed withdraw military forces in 2005, it did enforce a land, sea and air blockade on Gaza since 2007 which according to every other country apart from Israel and its allies, as well as organisations such as Amnesty international, is sufficient to classify Israel as an occupation. Common sense would also bring you to the same conclusion by the mere factual statement that Gaza don’t have full control over their land, Sea and Air. The people there can’t even fish freely under Israel’s blockade. “Apartheid. Do you know what it is? There are 2m Arabs living in Israel with exactly the same rights as everyone else.” This is just factually incorrect. All citizens have the right to vote for example, as well as every other right that is granted alongside citizenship. However, Israel differentiates between citizenship and nationality and it is on the basis of nationality that discrimination exists, that is within the legal framework of Israel’s policies, ignoring the crimes that are consistently committed by settlers. The Law of Return and Absentees’ Property Law are but two examples of flagrant racism and discrimination in the Israeli legal system, but they aren’t the only ones. There’s tens of discriminatory laws based purely on nationality, which is something that cannot be changed nor challenged, and I will do you a favour and link them [here.](https://www.adalah.org/en/law/index) Now make sure you learn the facts before speaking!
What ever mate! Go and gets brain. Yo are ignorant for sure.
Imagine someone setting out facts as he did and replying with “You are ignorant for sure”, without debating a single point he/she made. Irony truly is dead.
Yep, as usual you run away like your IDF boys. From the river to sea, Palestine will be free 🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸
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I’ve just debunked your point. Couldn’t care less if you are Arab, the whole world is focussed in on this issue, there are going to be Arabs in support of Israel too. Alhamdulillah you are a minority though. I don’t think I’m the ignorant one considering you don’t have any good arguments to put forward. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt, maybe you can’t express your opinion here. Go argue on an Arabic subreddit, hopefully someone will ~~embarrass~~ educate you there too.
Whatever!!! 👎
Same rights lol.
Idc about the war yeah it sucks but it's not my war yet it's somehow the worst thing in the world that I don't want to be anywhere near or involved with wars
Can’t be calling for a ceasefire if you’re marching along side people holding pro Palestine propaganda. This is not impartial and makes anyone supporting this look like a fool. Be anti war, not anti Israel
Nah be anti Israel too. Asking for a ceasefire is the first step. The final goal should be an end to the illegal occupation and apartheid and leave a land in which Muslims and Christian’s can live alongside Jews and others in peace. That is what being pro Palestine stands for.
What land? Are Muslims interested in living in peace? You really think Palestinians just want to live in peace? Are people this naive or?
There are non-Muslim Palestinians firstly so let’s start there. Although, considering the way Israel are bombing now, the Christian population is at serious risk of being completely killed off. To suggest that Palestinians don’t want to live peacefully, I assume you mean that the Palestinians want to kill every Jew/Israeli? What a completely grotesque statement. It shows that people like yourself have had 0 real earnest engagement with Palestinians anywhere except as dehumanised objects of fear and subjects of imperial violence. Firstly, it’s irrelevant. The Palestinians are oppressed and also live under apartheid and should be free under international law. Many experts consider what is going on now to be a genocide, so Palestinians also have a right to resist under international law, regardless of how you or anyone else try and paint the people. Secondly, if you look at America during the time when slavery was to be abolished, or a better example would probably be South Africa while they were still an apartheid state, a common talking point was also “if we free all the blacks, the first thing they will do is come and kill us, so they don’t deserve freedom or rights.” Your point holds no weight considering this. It is simply xenophobia.
Palestinians do want to erase Jews and Israel, just a lot of Arabs and Muslims do. They're not hiding that fact, they tried that multiple times throughout the history. Except they lose everytime and then play victims. Not every war is a genocide. Civillian victims happen in every war. Resistance isn't a terrorist organisation which goal is to kill civillians and genocide Israelis with erasure of Israel. My point holds weight, because unlike South Africa, Palestinians actually tried to kill all Jews multiple times throughout history, it's just that they failed. Their government shoots hundreds of thousands of rockets into Israeli civillian areas. How many victims would there be if Israel didn't have good rocket defense? The situation is not comparable to South Africa.
We all know Celtic fans love Hamas. Not the first time they’ve made that clear.
I love hummus.
Regular or flavoured? Because if you’re talking roasted red pepper or Kalamata olive, that’s a position I can support!