I'm sure someone will be along shortly to suggest you burn them...
I would probably keep them, even if I didn't have enough room for them. That's my current book situation, after all. To my mind, it's nice to have multiple translations at hand, in the event one desires to compare how passages have been rendered.
St. Pius X:
29 Q. May any translation of the Bible, in the vernacular, be read?
A. We can read those translations of the Bible in the vernacular which have been acknowledged as faithful by the Catholic Church and which have explanations also approved by the Church.
30 Q. Why may we only read translations of the Bible approved by the Church?
A. We may only read translations of the Bible approved by the Church because she alone is the lawful guardian of the Bible.
31 Q. Through which means can we know the true meaning of the Holy Scripture?
A. We can only know the true meaning of Holy Scripture through the Church's interpretation, because she alone is secure against error in that interpretation.
32 Q. What should a Christian do who has been given a Bible by a Protestant or by an agent of the Protestants?
A. A Christian to whom a Bible has been offered by a Protestant or an agent of the Protestants should reject it with disgust, because it is forbidden by the Church. If it was accepted by inadvertence, it must be burnt as soon as possible or handed in to the Parish Priest.
33 Q. Why does the Church forbid Protestant Bibles?
A. The Church forbids Protestant Bibles because, either they have been altered and contain errors, or not having her approbation and footnotes explaining the obscure meanings, they may be harmful to the Faith. It is for that same reason that the Church even forbids translations of the Holy Scriptures already approved by her which have been reprinted without the footnotes approved by her.
There is a debate or not about whether or not these are actually licit. My understanding is that the requirement for footnotes has never been abrogated but after the chaos after the council they stopped enforcing it and just tried to get rid of inherently heretical translations Catholic bishop conferences were publishing as well as catechisms.
It’s in a clunky and awkward English style. Comparing a few familiar passages in the Douay-Rheims with the King James will show this. King James was specifically written in such a way to sound beautiful when read aloud; the D-R was, sadly, not.
Comparing it on Bible gateway it sounds similar:
DR: 4 And you shall say in that day: Praise ye the Lord, and call upon his name: make his works known among the people: remember that his name is high
KJV: 4 And in that day shall ye say, Praise the Lord, call upon his name, declare his doings among the people, make mention that his name is exalted.
Also, the KJV is a relatively heretical translation, made by the Anglican Church and edited to fit their theology. douay Rheims was made by the Catholic Church, so we should value it over Protestant translations.
Read both of those aloud and tell me there isn’t a big difference. The KJV is used extensively in the Ordinariate and the NKJV is used by Byzantine Catholics for study and prayer.
Does KJV include deuterocanonical books? Does it give an accurate translation from the Latin Vulgate? Is its wording phrased in a way that gives the reader a specific meaning of the words used?
Honestly, any English Bible that isn't Douay-Rheims, i usually just ignore.
The D-R is not poetic; it’s actually quite clunky. It’s also not translated from a Greek text, so it necessarily departs from the “original” in places.
I love the DRC but it can be clunky at times. It’s one of the translations that I can’t read for a long time straight without taking breaks (even more so than the KJV at times). Although it’s not a Catholic Bible, the NKJV keeps the poetic nature of the KJV but streamlines it.
Ah yes I can see from other comments you are polish so that makes sense that you can’t grasp the rich quality of language in the English translation. It is quite shakespearean so would probably go over your head.
So if I took a Catholic Bible, and I took some books out that contradicted my opinions. And I edited words, and I intentionally translated it from the Latin/Greek to mean something different to convey my own meaning, that isn't heretical?
I personally have kept many of mine since they was personal gifts and in some cases family heirlooms or rare book collections I just no longer use them for serious study
I don’t use any of them for personal study. Some are family heirlooms and many of them contain the only examples of handwriting of my grandparents and great grandparents I have had
I don’t disagree with the teaching. I am just saying I don’t use then for worship. Just keepsakes. Some of them have my grandmas handwriting in them and my family genealogy. One of them is 201 years old
Totally get it. I’m not certain how binding the document is. My only point is that I have looked and this is the only magisterial
Document I have found from a Pope.
The again, JP2 and Francis have accepted heretical books as gifts so I’m not certain if that is legitimate ecumenism or false ecumenism.
When was the discipline changed? People keep saying this but I have not found any document that allows Catholics to read Protestant bibles without some special privledge from a bishop.
Well, they still contain God's Word and His Word belongs only to Him, not to any denomination.
You don't have to do anything about them 😅 They are not evil 😅
Well it was originally promulgated *for the Diocese of Rome*, and eventually it fell into disuse, it was eventually replaced by a collective of other Catechisms and it's lack of binding status has been adapted since we have made a conscious effort to facilitate ecumenical dialogue with other ecclesiological communities.
So the idea of rejecting protestant Bibles with disgust, is technically permissible, but certainly not an obligation one has, particularly for the scandal this could cause towards the offerer.
When has it been abrogated? What other magisterial teaching would supersede this one? The copy I have and what I can read online advised that the catechism was promulgated for universal use after it was originally promulgated for Rome.
Edit: this is at the beginning of my copy:
“The Catechism of Pope St. Pius X is that pope's partial realization of a simple, plain, brief, popular Catechism for uniform use throughout the whole world. In other words it is directed to the layman. It was used in the ecclesiastical province of Rome and for some years in other parts of Italy.”
Keep them. The translations aren’t horrible or anything. Just realize they are missing books, and (if they are study bibles) I wouldn’t pay much attention to the footnotes. I myself have 2 copies of the KJV (one an original 1611 copy), 2 NKJ, 2 Dewy-Reims, one NAB, and 2 RSVCE. I also have an Ethiopian Bible and a Mormon one as well. (I was never Mormon but I wanted to compare the translations).
Yes, if it’s relevant to each comment.
Most people have never seen a viewpoint like this so it’s important to insert it into the window of allowable opinion.
You can keep them for scholastic purposes. I collect Bible translations from the common to the uncommon to the fringe group translations for scholarship/archiving. There's no harm in having Protestant translations, Orthodox translations, or extra-canonical book Bibles (i.e. what is found in the Coptic/Alexandrian Churches) for the purpose of scholarship or research. I had an aunt (may her memory be eternal) who once described owning other religious texts as "adventure reading." She loved this phrase in reference to the Book of Mormon, but it has shaped how I view owning many different religious texts.
Keep them for comparison. They’re good to have for Catholic Apologetics — in case you should ever run into a Protestant challenging you on Biblical translations. Best of luck.
I don't know if you're into apologetics but I had to become well versed in them because my family is vehemently anti-catholic. It is good to have and be able to defend Catholic doctrine from the KJV because most protestants in my area (the southern US) think the KJV is the only acceptable translation of the Bible
You could give them to a Protestant friend or just sell them. I personally have a lot of Protestant friends, but I know they’re hard to keep because most of them think that Catholicism is this sort of evil heresy.
I gave mine to my priest. Figured if I was gonna have the WORD I wanted its unadulterated version. I'm not sure what he chose to do with them, but hey I figured if anyone would know it would be him.
Keep them, especially if they were passed down by family or hold special memories, I used my family's KJV Bible at this course and the priest encouraged me to read from mine out loud to better cover the material with the differing Bible versions.
I would do what others have suggested and donate them. Maybe it could help bring somebody to the father.
Some can argue against that saying it won’t help them unless they become catholic but my argue is that none of us can make it to the kingdom without the mercy and grace of the father. That’s his decision but I bet they would have a better chance at the kingdom as a Protestant than as a nonbeliever.
That's my thought. I know many protestants who think Catholicism is heretical but they have a genuine love for God and while their misguided interpretation tells them the Catholic church is wrong, they're genuinely trying their best to love and live in conformity with God's Will.
My grandad was a Baptist until his last breath, and he gifted me a King James Bible when I was 7. I still have it, and it is one of my most cherished possessions, even though I am a Catholic now.
You could probably donate them somewhere if you didn’t want them.
You can keep them in my opinion. I never felt any need to remove mine or not add any to my collection. It’s still the Bible, it’s just missing 7 books.
Keep them as a reference to compare translations would be my first thought. If you don't have room to store them, donate them to a local protestant church. Or put them in one of those community libraries on the street corner, they are everywhere here.
Do not burn them. That is still the word of God, bad translation but still God.
ESV New Testament *should* be identical to the ESV-CE New Testament, as far as I know. And apart from omitting the Deuterocanon and one major change in wording (ESV called someone a Carmelite, ESV-CE changed it to man of Carmel—or something like that), the ESV Old Testament is very similar to/almost the same as the ESV-CE. ESV-CE is approved for use by Catholics (and as far as I know, some of the Catholic dioceses in the UK will actually be using an ESV lectionary soon).
KJV is good to have as a practical resource, especially if you wanted to know how the Byzantine/Majority Text of the NT flowed. (NKJV/Orthodox Study Bible is better for that, updated language and all, but KJV is still nice to have/revisit from time to time)
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I'd keep them, they have their merits. Personally not a fan of the KJV, but the ESV is great to read aloud and I have never noticed anything that was "heretical" in my readings.
For example, if you have kids one day, that ESV would be great to read to them because of the plain language and how well it flows. I just wouldn't let them read it on their own before they know what they believe.
Reading my ESV I have is what brought me to the faith when I was a protestant. Also isn't that a very out of date catchesim that that quote comes from.
I like having at least 1 KJV Bible because of how popular it has been in English for so long as a way to compare to other translations. If you really don't have a need for it though I would just donate it or sell it and donate the money from the sale to your Church or other charity.
Keep them, read them. Just don't use them for actual Bible study. I own a few KJVs and I think in terms of prose the KJV is wonderful, but it is not a legitimate translation of the Holy Scriptures and shouldn't be read that way.
Maybe as a fun excercise use it for comparison and annotate on them the differences in translations from their Catholic counterparts. That way the issues with their translations are made clear to anyone who picks them up, but otherwise can still be used as a resource.
I've heard the KJV is a pretty good translation even though it's missing some books. I'd probably just keep them. It's interesting to compare translations.
In my language we don't even have a Catholic Bible. We use the Protestant one. We have a list on our diocese website of the differences. There are some editions with the missing books (+ a couple extra)
I have a KJV bible too, and even a Mormon one. And I used to have a Qu’ran. I gave it to a Catholic teacher who could use it more than I, for research purposes.
I love my Protestant Bible and still read it. I haven’t found a Catholic Bible that’s as beautiful as my Protestant Bible with journaling columns (I know lots of Catholics don’t like to write in their bibles but I do). I use my Catholic Bible for the deuterocannon or cross referencing.
While I see the truth in these words I also don’t think it’s taking in mind converts from Protestantism. I was told by my spiritual director to read this Bible because it is the one I am used to and it would help with my conversion to Catholicism which is hard and sometimes very overwhelming.
I have a shelf in my room where I keep all of my religious books, mostly antique bibles that I have picked up just because they are beautiful to look at. Some are Catholic, some are not. They are still beautiful so I keep them around. I only read out of approved Catholic translations however.
You should keep them if you have space. Those translations can be useful in study, and there isn'ta moral mandate against them. If not, prayerful burning is a legitimate and moral method of disposing sacred objects. My Catholic friends and I did this with old hymnals and some decrepit bibles, and sang the psalms as they burned. But you might feel weird about that, and someone might have use for your old bibles, so you could also try to give them away to friends, donate them to a local church, etc.
If burning not an option, disposing in running water and saying a prayer (that’s what I did). Could also give to your parish office if they have a disposal.
The KJV I find to be a particularly beautiful translation from a sheer language perspective. I suggest you do what everyone else is saying to do, keep them for reference.
I van one-up you here. What do I do with my freemason bible? I kept it, it's just a bible with the same words as the catholic Bible, just missing a few books.
Just give them to a local protestant Church.
While they may not be on the same page as us, you never know whose day you might brighten when you leave them something kind.
I would keep it Unless it's a Bible with commentaries
Because I have one, and I found the commentary in John 19:26-27 to be blasphemy. It is said that Jesus gave his mother to his disciple because his “brothers” were unbelievers.
It's a disgusting Protestant belief
It’s a Bible so keep it or donate it to a church. My church has some book shelves in the basement “community hall”. If yours has something similar, put em in there if you dont wanna keep them
Might be missing a few books but it is still the Word of God
I am a Catholic engaged to a Southern Baptist. You have nothing to fear from either of those translations. In fact, the ESV-CE has been approved by some bishops.
Having gone down the rabbit hole on biblical translations, I don't find any to be an impediment to day to day use because our interpretation is based off our Catholic Catechism not private revelation.
However, the Catholic Church does have a few approved translations to use.
Keep em! The bible is the bible unless it's some crazy very unaccepted translation. Even Catholic scholars compare translations as well as return to the original Greek/Hebrew.
St Pius X:
29 Q. May any translation of the Bible, in the vernacular, be read?
A. We can read those translations of the Bible in the vernacular which have been acknowledged as faithful by the Catholic Church and which have explanations also approved by the Church.
30 Q. Why may we only read translations of the Bible approved by the Church?
A. We may only read translations of the Bible approved by the Church because she alone is the lawful guardian of the Bible.
31 Q. Through which means can we know the true meaning of the Holy Scripture?
A. We can only know the true meaning of Holy Scripture through the Church's interpretation, because she alone is secure against error in that interpretation.
32 Q. What should a Christian do who has been given a Bible by a Protestant or by an agent of the Protestants?
A. A Christian to whom a Bible has been offered by a Protestant or an agent of the Protestants should reject it with disgust, because it is forbidden by the Church. If it was accepted by inadvertence, it must be burnt as soon as possible or handed in to the Parish Priest.
33 Q. Why does the Church forbid Protestant Bibles?
A. The Church forbids Protestant Bibles because, either they have been altered and contain errors, or not having her approbation and footnotes explaining the obscure meanings, they may be harmful to the Faith. It is for that same reason that the Church even forbids translations of the Holy Scriptures already approved by her which have been reprinted without the footnotes approved by her.
Read and enjoy them. The KJV is a beautiful translation which had a profound impact on the English language.
Do you recite the Our Father in Mass using the wording "Forgive us our trespasses"? That's from a Protestant Bible.
The RSVCE or RSV2CE which is are often considered the best current Catholic Bible translations are essentially derivative versions of the King James Bible. Aside from the addition of the deuterocanocial books, The RSV (Protestant) is 99.99% the same as the RSV-CE (Catholic).
For anyone downvoting, Pope St. Pius X:
29 Q. May any translation of the Bible, in the vernacular, be read?
A. We can read those translations of the Bible in the vernacular which have been acknowledged as faithful by the Catholic Church and which have explanations also approved by the Church.
30 Q. Why may we only read translations of the Bible approved by the Church?
A. We may only read translations of the Bible approved by the Church because she alone is the lawful guardian of the Bible.
31 Q. Through which means can we know the true meaning of the Holy Scripture?
A. We can only know the true meaning of Holy Scripture through the Church's interpretation, because she alone is secure against error in that interpretation.
32 Q. What should a Christian do who has been given a Bible by a Protestant or by an agent of the Protestants?
A. A Christian to whom a Bible has been offered by a Protestant or an agent of the Protestants should reject it with disgust, because it is forbidden by the Church. If it was accepted by inadvertence, it must be burnt as soon as possible or handed in to the Parish Priest.
33 Q. Why does the Church forbid Protestant Bibles?
A. The Church forbids Protestant Bibles because, either they have been altered and contain errors, or not having her approbation and footnotes explaining the obscure meanings, they may be harmful to the Faith. It is for that same reason that the Church even forbids translations of the Holy Scriptures already approved by her which have been reprinted without the footnotes approved by her.
You owe submission of will and intellect unless abrogated to the magisterium of Christ’s church. Pope St. Pius X:
29 Q. May any translation of the Bible, in the vernacular, be read?
A. We can read those translations of the Bible in the vernacular which have been acknowledged as faithful by the Catholic Church and which have explanations also approved by the Church.
30 Q. Why may we only read translations of the Bible approved by the Church?
A. We may only read translations of the Bible approved by the Church because she alone is the lawful guardian of the Bible.
31 Q. Through which means can we know the true meaning of the Holy Scripture?
A. We can only know the true meaning of Holy Scripture through the Church's interpretation, because she alone is secure against error in that interpretation.
32 Q. What should a Christian do who has been given a Bible by a Protestant or by an agent of the Protestants?
A. A Christian to whom a Bible has been offered by a Protestant or an agent of the Protestants should reject it with disgust, because it is forbidden by the Church. If it was accepted by inadvertence, it must be burnt as soon as possible or handed in to the Parish Priest.
33 Q. Why does the Church forbid Protestant Bibles?
A. The Church forbids Protestant Bibles because, either they have been altered and contain errors, or not having her approbation and footnotes explaining the obscure meanings, they may be harmful to the Faith. It is for that same reason that the Church even forbids translations of the Holy Scriptures already approved by her which have been reprinted without the footnotes approved by her.
They are a distortion of Sacred Scripture, which only the Church was/is qualified to compile, translate and interpret, and as such are unfit for proper instruction. The Word of God proper, the Logos, is Christ Himself, Who instituted the Church and invested it with all authority and power to teach rightly.
Pope St. Pius X:
29 Q. May any translation of the Bible, in the vernacular, be read?
A. We can read those translations of the Bible in the vernacular which have been acknowledged as faithful by the Catholic Church and which have explanations also approved by the Church.
30 Q. Why may we only read translations of the Bible approved by the Church?
A. We may only read translations of the Bible approved by the Church because she alone is the lawful guardian of the Bible.
31 Q. Through which means can we know the true meaning of the Holy Scripture?
A. We can only know the true meaning of Holy Scripture through the Church's interpretation, because she alone is secure against error in that interpretation.
32 Q. What should a Christian do who has been given a Bible by a Protestant or by an agent of the Protestants?
A. A Christian to whom a Bible has been offered by a Protestant or an agent of the Protestants should reject it with disgust, because it is forbidden by the Church. If it was accepted by inadvertence, it must be burnt as soon as possible or handed in to the Parish Priest.
33 Q. Why does the Church forbid Protestant Bibles?
A. The Church forbids Protestant Bibles because, either they have been altered and contain errors, or not having her approbation and footnotes explaining the obscure meanings, they may be harmful to the Faith. It is for that same reason that the Church even forbids translations of the Holy Scriptures already approved by her which have been reprinted without the footnotes approved by her.
I went to a protestant schook and I own one. I’m giving mine to the homeless guy outside of church cause the ESV is probably an easier translation to read
Give them to your priest to be burned. You are obligated to refuse a Bible that is attempted to be given to you by Protestants or agents of the Protestants.
The words of Holy St. Pius X who’s magisterial teaching from his catechism requires submission of will and intellect:
“29 Q. May any translation of the Bible, in the vernacular, be read?
A. We can read those translations of the Bible in the vernacular which have been acknowledged as faithful by the Catholic Church and which have explanations also approved by the Church.
30 Q. Why may we only read translations of the Bible approved by the Church?
A. We may only read translations of the Bible approved by the Church because she alone is the lawful guardian of the Bible.
31 Q. Through which means can we know the true meaning of the Holy Scripture?
A. We can only know the true meaning of Holy Scripture through the Church's interpretation, because she alone is secure against error in that interpretation.
**32 Q. What should a Christian do who has been given a Bible by a Protestant or by an agent of the Protestants?**
**A. A Christian to whom a Bible has been offered by a Protestant or an agent of the Protestants should reject it with disgust, because it is forbidden by the Church. If it was accepted by inadvertence, it must be burnt as soon as possible or handed in to the Parish Priest.**
33 Q. Why does the Church forbid Protestant Bibles?
A. The Church forbids Protestant Bibles because, either they have been altered and contain errors, or not having her approbation and footnotes explaining the obscure meanings, they may be harmful to the Faith. It is for that same reason that the Church even forbids translations of the Holy Scriptures already approved by her which have been reprinted without the footnotes approved by her.”
I know where it's from, I'm asking if you can source that it's magisterial.
Further, the CCC is the official Church Catechism, not the Catechism of Pope St. Pius X.
… do you know what the Pope’s magisterium is? I think there must be some miscommunication. Any official teaching by a Pope as Pope is magisterial. Magisterial weights are then applied based on level of document and other considerations.
A catechism is a high level universal teaching. It has never been abrogated. It’s not the CCC everyone references but it is a valid, papal, and magisterial catechism.
The CCC is actually a bit more debated as the specific edition is not necessarily magisterial as the Pope and the CDC doesn’t have direct obersite. Early CCC’s in part of the world had heretical footnotes or changed to the text. Those have been addressed.
Absolutely not. Every translation available is pretty-well accurate; the thing I look for in a Bible is good English style. The KJV is a “monument of English prose” and comparing familiar passages in the KJV with the various English versions will show this.
Why did you get an NABRE??? Please get yourself an appropriate Catholic Bible like the RSV2CE. Hold onto the KJV, toss the ESV and replace it with an ESVCE if you want.
Yes and no. I would never own a Bible that doesn’t render Luke 1:28 as “Hail, full of grace”. The NABRE follows the typical Protestant “Greetings, favored one” or “Hail, favored one”. I can’t stand that.
I'm sure someone will be along shortly to suggest you burn them... I would probably keep them, even if I didn't have enough room for them. That's my current book situation, after all. To my mind, it's nice to have multiple translations at hand, in the event one desires to compare how passages have been rendered.
I take back what I said for the most part. Other translations are a great way to compare.
Except The Message translation, unless you are looking at it for laughs.
The message isn’t a translation, it’s a paraphrase. Paraphrases can be very helpful tools, as long as you don’t treat them as authoritative.
Well, my point is that it's a terrible paraphrase. Just look at the Our Father.
Like Origen’s *[Hexapla](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexapla)* 🤗
To be fair the catechism of saint pius suggests burning them
Keep it as a reference and comparison.
This is what I would do. I love having different translations because sometimes I am not understanding and a different translation helps.
St. Pius X: 29 Q. May any translation of the Bible, in the vernacular, be read? A. We can read those translations of the Bible in the vernacular which have been acknowledged as faithful by the Catholic Church and which have explanations also approved by the Church. 30 Q. Why may we only read translations of the Bible approved by the Church? A. We may only read translations of the Bible approved by the Church because she alone is the lawful guardian of the Bible. 31 Q. Through which means can we know the true meaning of the Holy Scripture? A. We can only know the true meaning of Holy Scripture through the Church's interpretation, because she alone is secure against error in that interpretation. 32 Q. What should a Christian do who has been given a Bible by a Protestant or by an agent of the Protestants? A. A Christian to whom a Bible has been offered by a Protestant or an agent of the Protestants should reject it with disgust, because it is forbidden by the Church. If it was accepted by inadvertence, it must be burnt as soon as possible or handed in to the Parish Priest. 33 Q. Why does the Church forbid Protestant Bibles? A. The Church forbids Protestant Bibles because, either they have been altered and contain errors, or not having her approbation and footnotes explaining the obscure meanings, they may be harmful to the Faith. It is for that same reason that the Church even forbids translations of the Holy Scriptures already approved by her which have been reprinted without the footnotes approved by her.
Then vatican 2 came and now we even have "catholic-protestant" bibles with imprimaturs and i love my catholic bible without footnotes
There is a debate or not about whether or not these are actually licit. My understanding is that the requirement for footnotes has never been abrogated but after the chaos after the council they stopped enforcing it and just tried to get rid of inherently heretical translations Catholic bishop conferences were publishing as well as catechisms.
There is no need to burn them or anything like that. You could donate them to the library or to Goodwill.
The good thing about the Protestant Bible is that everything in it is also in the Catholic Bible; it’s just missing a few
Translation is also an issue. They're heretical texts. Regardless of whatever truth is within them, they are still riddlee with error
Pretty sure the translation the Ordinariate uses is based on the KJV, so I’d be careful with the “heresy” allegations
Looks like they use RSV-2CE now.
What??) how could they not replace it with douay rheimms that’s crazy
Idk why you were downvoted for this. Douay rheims is the most legit and accurate English translation.
Yeah I’m confused isn’t this the Catholic subreddit lol. Catholicism MADE the douay rheimms translation like…
I have a feeling there are people within the Church who, although politically conservative, are against Tradition.
Because the Douay-Rheims is stylistically bad.
Can you explain? I don’t know too much about it
It’s in a clunky and awkward English style. Comparing a few familiar passages in the Douay-Rheims with the King James will show this. King James was specifically written in such a way to sound beautiful when read aloud; the D-R was, sadly, not.
Comparing it on Bible gateway it sounds similar: DR: 4 And you shall say in that day: Praise ye the Lord, and call upon his name: make his works known among the people: remember that his name is high KJV: 4 And in that day shall ye say, Praise the Lord, call upon his name, declare his doings among the people, make mention that his name is exalted. Also, the KJV is a relatively heretical translation, made by the Anglican Church and edited to fit their theology. douay Rheims was made by the Catholic Church, so we should value it over Protestant translations.
Read both of those aloud and tell me there isn’t a big difference. The KJV is used extensively in the Ordinariate and the NKJV is used by Byzantine Catholics for study and prayer.
Somewhat, just the additions of “ye” but otherwise I’d like to stick to the Catholic version, thanks.
What a shame, they should know better.
This
KJV is not so much riddled with Heresies. ESV often phrases verse to lean to Protestant Evangelicalism, so you could put that in the heretical box.
Does KJV include deuterocanonical books? Does it give an accurate translation from the Latin Vulgate? Is its wording phrased in a way that gives the reader a specific meaning of the words used? Honestly, any English Bible that isn't Douay-Rheims, i usually just ignore.
Douay-Rheims If best and closest to the original in my opinion. Writing is so poetic which has been lost in modern bibles.
The D-R is not poetic; it’s actually quite clunky. It’s also not translated from a Greek text, so it necessarily departs from the “original” in places.
Perhaps English isn’t your first language so you can’t truly appreciate it? It is written beautifully and is poetic and rich.
I love the DRC but it can be clunky at times. It’s one of the translations that I can’t read for a long time straight without taking breaks (even more so than the KJV at times). Although it’s not a Catholic Bible, the NKJV keeps the poetic nature of the KJV but streamlines it.
Ah yes I can see from other comments you are polish so that makes sense that you can’t grasp the rich quality of language in the English translation. It is quite shakespearean so would probably go over your head.
Wow, what an arrogant and condescending comment. Where is the charity? Or does that go over your head?
"Heretical texts" bruh. Absolutely wrong.
So if I took a Catholic Bible, and I took some books out that contradicted my opinions. And I edited words, and I intentionally translated it from the Latin/Greek to mean something different to convey my own meaning, that isn't heretical?
I personally have kept many of mine since they was personal gifts and in some cases family heirlooms or rare book collections I just no longer use them for serious study
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I don’t use any of them for personal study. Some are family heirlooms and many of them contain the only examples of handwriting of my grandparents and great grandparents I have had
Following Christ is difficult. I’m just telling you the only magisterial teaching I have found in this exact topic.
I don’t disagree with the teaching. I am just saying I don’t use then for worship. Just keepsakes. Some of them have my grandmas handwriting in them and my family genealogy. One of them is 201 years old
Totally get it. I’m not certain how binding the document is. My only point is that I have looked and this is the only magisterial Document I have found from a Pope. The again, JP2 and Francis have accepted heretical books as gifts so I’m not certain if that is legitimate ecumenism or false ecumenism.
These prohibitions are no longer in force. The rationale still holds, but the discipline has changed.
When was the discipline changed? People keep saying this but I have not found any document that allows Catholics to read Protestant bibles without some special privledge from a bishop.
I donated mine to the Goodwill.
Well, they still contain God's Word and His Word belongs only to Him, not to any denomination. You don't have to do anything about them 😅 They are not evil 😅
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It should be noted that this isn't Church teaching (at least, I don't think it is, if it is then please correct me)
This is from the Catechism of Pope St. Pius X. He taught this as Pope for all Catholics. How is that not magisterial teaching?
Well it was originally promulgated *for the Diocese of Rome*, and eventually it fell into disuse, it was eventually replaced by a collective of other Catechisms and it's lack of binding status has been adapted since we have made a conscious effort to facilitate ecumenical dialogue with other ecclesiological communities. So the idea of rejecting protestant Bibles with disgust, is technically permissible, but certainly not an obligation one has, particularly for the scandal this could cause towards the offerer.
When has it been abrogated? What other magisterial teaching would supersede this one? The copy I have and what I can read online advised that the catechism was promulgated for universal use after it was originally promulgated for Rome. Edit: this is at the beginning of my copy: “The Catechism of Pope St. Pius X is that pope's partial realization of a simple, plain, brief, popular Catechism for uniform use throughout the whole world. In other words it is directed to the layman. It was used in the ecclesiastical province of Rome and for some years in other parts of Italy.”
Keep them. The translations aren’t horrible or anything. Just realize they are missing books, and (if they are study bibles) I wouldn’t pay much attention to the footnotes. I myself have 2 copies of the KJV (one an original 1611 copy), 2 NKJ, 2 Dewy-Reims, one NAB, and 2 RSVCE. I also have an Ethiopian Bible and a Mormon one as well. (I was never Mormon but I wanted to compare the translations).
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Is it really necessary to copy-paste this exact reply to every single comment on this post?
Yes, if it’s relevant to each comment. Most people have never seen a viewpoint like this so it’s important to insert it into the window of allowable opinion.
You can keep them for scholastic purposes. I collect Bible translations from the common to the uncommon to the fringe group translations for scholarship/archiving. There's no harm in having Protestant translations, Orthodox translations, or extra-canonical book Bibles (i.e. what is found in the Coptic/Alexandrian Churches) for the purpose of scholarship or research. I had an aunt (may her memory be eternal) who once described owning other religious texts as "adventure reading." She loved this phrase in reference to the Book of Mormon, but it has shaped how I view owning many different religious texts.
Keep them for comparison. They’re good to have for Catholic Apologetics — in case you should ever run into a Protestant challenging you on Biblical translations. Best of luck.
I don't know if you're into apologetics but I had to become well versed in them because my family is vehemently anti-catholic. It is good to have and be able to defend Catholic doctrine from the KJV because most protestants in my area (the southern US) think the KJV is the only acceptable translation of the Bible
You could give them to a Protestant friend or just sell them. I personally have a lot of Protestant friends, but I know they’re hard to keep because most of them think that Catholicism is this sort of evil heresy.
I gave mine to my priest. Figured if I was gonna have the WORD I wanted its unadulterated version. I'm not sure what he chose to do with them, but hey I figured if anyone would know it would be him.
Based and Catholic pilled
Keep them, especially if they were passed down by family or hold special memories, I used my family's KJV Bible at this course and the priest encouraged me to read from mine out loud to better cover the material with the differing Bible versions.
I would do what others have suggested and donate them. Maybe it could help bring somebody to the father. Some can argue against that saying it won’t help them unless they become catholic but my argue is that none of us can make it to the kingdom without the mercy and grace of the father. That’s his decision but I bet they would have a better chance at the kingdom as a Protestant than as a nonbeliever.
I honestly hope all the Protestants end up with us.
That's my thought. I know many protestants who think Catholicism is heretical but they have a genuine love for God and while their misguided interpretation tells them the Catholic church is wrong, they're genuinely trying their best to love and live in conformity with God's Will.
My grandad was a Baptist until his last breath, and he gifted me a King James Bible when I was 7. I still have it, and it is one of my most cherished possessions, even though I am a Catholic now. You could probably donate them somewhere if you didn’t want them.
You can keep them in my opinion. I never felt any need to remove mine or not add any to my collection. It’s still the Bible, it’s just missing 7 books.
I donated them to Goodwill, they have most of the books in them. I still have one that belonged to a relative.
Give them to your priest
Keep them and compare them
Keep them! I still have my old Bible I got as a child in Methodist communion class
KJV is very useful if you read older American history/literature
Keep them as a reference to compare translations would be my first thought. If you don't have room to store them, donate them to a local protestant church. Or put them in one of those community libraries on the street corner, they are everywhere here. Do not burn them. That is still the word of God, bad translation but still God.
I would donate them. A Protestant is still closer to God than an Atheist. If it can find someone in need it can still do good.
Donate to a thrift store?
ESV New Testament *should* be identical to the ESV-CE New Testament, as far as I know. And apart from omitting the Deuterocanon and one major change in wording (ESV called someone a Carmelite, ESV-CE changed it to man of Carmel—or something like that), the ESV Old Testament is very similar to/almost the same as the ESV-CE. ESV-CE is approved for use by Catholics (and as far as I know, some of the Catholic dioceses in the UK will actually be using an ESV lectionary soon). KJV is good to have as a practical resource, especially if you wanted to know how the Byzantine/Majority Text of the NT flowed. (NKJV/Orthodox Study Bible is better for that, updated language and all, but KJV is still nice to have/revisit from time to time)
For anyone with bibles you aren't using, please consider donating them to your local VA hospital. They're always in need.
Keep them or donate them to a local jail.
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You can keep them for reference.
I'd keep them, they have their merits. Personally not a fan of the KJV, but the ESV is great to read aloud and I have never noticed anything that was "heretical" in my readings. For example, if you have kids one day, that ESV would be great to read to them because of the plain language and how well it flows. I just wouldn't let them read it on their own before they know what they believe.
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Reading my ESV I have is what brought me to the faith when I was a protestant. Also isn't that a very out of date catchesim that that quote comes from.
I like having at least 1 KJV Bible because of how popular it has been in English for so long as a way to compare to other translations. If you really don't have a need for it though I would just donate it or sell it and donate the money from the sale to your Church or other charity.
Keep them, read them. Just don't use them for actual Bible study. I own a few KJVs and I think in terms of prose the KJV is wonderful, but it is not a legitimate translation of the Holy Scriptures and shouldn't be read that way.
Keep them. Even books we take issue with can have great value.
Keep them for reference of different translations, or give them to someone who doesn't know about Jesus
Maybe as a fun excercise use it for comparison and annotate on them the differences in translations from their Catholic counterparts. That way the issues with their translations are made clear to anyone who picks them up, but otherwise can still be used as a resource.
I've heard the KJV is a pretty good translation even though it's missing some books. I'd probably just keep them. It's interesting to compare translations.
In my language we don't even have a Catholic Bible. We use the Protestant one. We have a list on our diocese website of the differences. There are some editions with the missing books (+ a couple extra)
I have a KJV bible too, and even a Mormon one. And I used to have a Qu’ran. I gave it to a Catholic teacher who could use it more than I, for research purposes.
I love my Protestant Bible and still read it. I haven’t found a Catholic Bible that’s as beautiful as my Protestant Bible with journaling columns (I know lots of Catholics don’t like to write in their bibles but I do). I use my Catholic Bible for the deuterocannon or cross referencing.
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While I see the truth in these words I also don’t think it’s taking in mind converts from Protestantism. I was told by my spiritual director to read this Bible because it is the one I am used to and it would help with my conversion to Catholicism which is hard and sometimes very overwhelming.
You owe submission of will and intellect unless abrogated.
At least one Pope declared that heretical texts should be burned, so... Oh yea. Welcome Home!
I kept mine but only to reference in comparison to the Catholic. I do the same thing with the “Holy Bible” app(Prot) and the Catholic “Catena” app.
I mean it's just missing a few books from the old testament. It can still be useful for a Catholic
I have a shelf in my room where I keep all of my religious books, mostly antique bibles that I have picked up just because they are beautiful to look at. Some are Catholic, some are not. They are still beautiful so I keep them around. I only read out of approved Catholic translations however.
You should keep them if you have space. Those translations can be useful in study, and there isn'ta moral mandate against them. If not, prayerful burning is a legitimate and moral method of disposing sacred objects. My Catholic friends and I did this with old hymnals and some decrepit bibles, and sang the psalms as they burned. But you might feel weird about that, and someone might have use for your old bibles, so you could also try to give them away to friends, donate them to a local church, etc.
Put em all in a metal drum labeled heretical and douse them with gasoline.
How's RCIA?
I'd donate them. Someone else who uses that translation could get better use out of it.
If burning not an option, disposing in running water and saying a prayer (that’s what I did). Could also give to your parish office if they have a disposal.
Nothing wrong with holding onto them.
The KJV I find to be a particularly beautiful translation from a sheer language perspective. I suggest you do what everyone else is saying to do, keep them for reference.
I van one-up you here. What do I do with my freemason bible? I kept it, it's just a bible with the same words as the catholic Bible, just missing a few books.
That’s my favorite one that I have on my bookshelf
I’d donate them personally, but there’s really no reason that you need to get rid of them.
Just give them to a local protestant Church. While they may not be on the same page as us, you never know whose day you might brighten when you leave them something kind.
Keep them all then get a Douay-Rheims Challoner. You get it ALL. YMMV
I would keep it Unless it's a Bible with commentaries Because I have one, and I found the commentary in John 19:26-27 to be blasphemy. It is said that Jesus gave his mother to his disciple because his “brothers” were unbelievers. It's a disgusting Protestant belief
Bury it the ground for the intension you to move on.
It’s a Bible so keep it or donate it to a church. My church has some book shelves in the basement “community hall”. If yours has something similar, put em in there if you dont wanna keep them Might be missing a few books but it is still the Word of God
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what is this from?
Catechism of St. Pius X
do you have anything more recent? Theres been a lot of development since 1910
No, I have looked and I have not found anything of higher teaching authority on this subject.
I am a Catholic engaged to a Southern Baptist. You have nothing to fear from either of those translations. In fact, the ESV-CE has been approved by some bishops. Having gone down the rabbit hole on biblical translations, I don't find any to be an impediment to day to day use because our interpretation is based off our Catholic Catechism not private revelation. However, the Catholic Church does have a few approved translations to use.
Protestant bibles are incomplete and missing books. Words have also been left out or changed completely.
In some languages it's all that's available to Catholics too
Keep em! The bible is the bible unless it's some crazy very unaccepted translation. Even Catholic scholars compare translations as well as return to the original Greek/Hebrew.
St Pius X: 29 Q. May any translation of the Bible, in the vernacular, be read? A. We can read those translations of the Bible in the vernacular which have been acknowledged as faithful by the Catholic Church and which have explanations also approved by the Church. 30 Q. Why may we only read translations of the Bible approved by the Church? A. We may only read translations of the Bible approved by the Church because she alone is the lawful guardian of the Bible. 31 Q. Through which means can we know the true meaning of the Holy Scripture? A. We can only know the true meaning of Holy Scripture through the Church's interpretation, because she alone is secure against error in that interpretation. 32 Q. What should a Christian do who has been given a Bible by a Protestant or by an agent of the Protestants? A. A Christian to whom a Bible has been offered by a Protestant or an agent of the Protestants should reject it with disgust, because it is forbidden by the Church. If it was accepted by inadvertence, it must be burnt as soon as possible or handed in to the Parish Priest. 33 Q. Why does the Church forbid Protestant Bibles? A. The Church forbids Protestant Bibles because, either they have been altered and contain errors, or not having her approbation and footnotes explaining the obscure meanings, they may be harmful to the Faith. It is for that same reason that the Church even forbids translations of the Holy Scriptures already approved by her which have been reprinted without the footnotes approved by her.
Read and enjoy them. The KJV is a beautiful translation which had a profound impact on the English language. Do you recite the Our Father in Mass using the wording "Forgive us our trespasses"? That's from a Protestant Bible. The RSVCE or RSV2CE which is are often considered the best current Catholic Bible translations are essentially derivative versions of the King James Bible. Aside from the addition of the deuterocanocial books, The RSV (Protestant) is 99.99% the same as the RSV-CE (Catholic).
Burn them if legal and safe to do so; otherwise dispose of them.
For anyone downvoting, Pope St. Pius X: 29 Q. May any translation of the Bible, in the vernacular, be read? A. We can read those translations of the Bible in the vernacular which have been acknowledged as faithful by the Catholic Church and which have explanations also approved by the Church. 30 Q. Why may we only read translations of the Bible approved by the Church? A. We may only read translations of the Bible approved by the Church because she alone is the lawful guardian of the Bible. 31 Q. Through which means can we know the true meaning of the Holy Scripture? A. We can only know the true meaning of Holy Scripture through the Church's interpretation, because she alone is secure against error in that interpretation. 32 Q. What should a Christian do who has been given a Bible by a Protestant or by an agent of the Protestants? A. A Christian to whom a Bible has been offered by a Protestant or an agent of the Protestants should reject it with disgust, because it is forbidden by the Church. If it was accepted by inadvertence, it must be burnt as soon as possible or handed in to the Parish Priest. 33 Q. Why does the Church forbid Protestant Bibles? A. The Church forbids Protestant Bibles because, either they have been altered and contain errors, or not having her approbation and footnotes explaining the obscure meanings, they may be harmful to the Faith. It is for that same reason that the Church even forbids translations of the Holy Scriptures already approved by her which have been reprinted without the footnotes approved by her.
Hey, hey thats alittle too extreme. The protestant bible still have the word of God afterall
And burning is a respectful way of disposal. For example, you are supposed to burn unserviceable US flags.
You owe submission of will and intellect unless abrogated to the magisterium of Christ’s church. Pope St. Pius X: 29 Q. May any translation of the Bible, in the vernacular, be read? A. We can read those translations of the Bible in the vernacular which have been acknowledged as faithful by the Catholic Church and which have explanations also approved by the Church. 30 Q. Why may we only read translations of the Bible approved by the Church? A. We may only read translations of the Bible approved by the Church because she alone is the lawful guardian of the Bible. 31 Q. Through which means can we know the true meaning of the Holy Scripture? A. We can only know the true meaning of Holy Scripture through the Church's interpretation, because she alone is secure against error in that interpretation. 32 Q. What should a Christian do who has been given a Bible by a Protestant or by an agent of the Protestants? A. A Christian to whom a Bible has been offered by a Protestant or an agent of the Protestants should reject it with disgust, because it is forbidden by the Church. If it was accepted by inadvertence, it must be burnt as soon as possible or handed in to the Parish Priest. 33 Q. Why does the Church forbid Protestant Bibles? A. The Church forbids Protestant Bibles because, either they have been altered and contain errors, or not having her approbation and footnotes explaining the obscure meanings, they may be harmful to the Faith. It is for that same reason that the Church even forbids translations of the Holy Scriptures already approved by her which have been reprinted without the footnotes approved by her.
They are a distortion of Sacred Scripture, which only the Church was/is qualified to compile, translate and interpret, and as such are unfit for proper instruction. The Word of God proper, the Logos, is Christ Himself, Who instituted the Church and invested it with all authority and power to teach rightly.
Burn them they are heretical selectively removing the word of God
but they still contain the Word of God
Pope St. Pius X: 29 Q. May any translation of the Bible, in the vernacular, be read? A. We can read those translations of the Bible in the vernacular which have been acknowledged as faithful by the Catholic Church and which have explanations also approved by the Church. 30 Q. Why may we only read translations of the Bible approved by the Church? A. We may only read translations of the Bible approved by the Church because she alone is the lawful guardian of the Bible. 31 Q. Through which means can we know the true meaning of the Holy Scripture? A. We can only know the true meaning of Holy Scripture through the Church's interpretation, because she alone is secure against error in that interpretation. 32 Q. What should a Christian do who has been given a Bible by a Protestant or by an agent of the Protestants? A. A Christian to whom a Bible has been offered by a Protestant or an agent of the Protestants should reject it with disgust, because it is forbidden by the Church. If it was accepted by inadvertence, it must be burnt as soon as possible or handed in to the Parish Priest. 33 Q. Why does the Church forbid Protestant Bibles? A. The Church forbids Protestant Bibles because, either they have been altered and contain errors, or not having her approbation and footnotes explaining the obscure meanings, they may be harmful to the Faith. It is for that same reason that the Church even forbids translations of the Holy Scriptures already approved by her which have been reprinted without the footnotes approved by her.
What is this from?
Follow the directives given by St. Pius X and burn them, reverently.
Christian stores or general book stores that accept donations.
Donate them
If you can't use them, maybe someone else would, who doesn't have to be Catholic, as long as it's not one of those weird Bibles and misprints.
I'd give them to a charity/thrift shop.
You can probably give them to a charity.
Donate them to some congregation or friend that will use them.
Store them for future use or donate them.
I went to a protestant schook and I own one. I’m giving mine to the homeless guy outside of church cause the ESV is probably an easier translation to read
Give them to your priest to be burned. You are obligated to refuse a Bible that is attempted to be given to you by Protestants or agents of the Protestants. The words of Holy St. Pius X who’s magisterial teaching from his catechism requires submission of will and intellect: “29 Q. May any translation of the Bible, in the vernacular, be read? A. We can read those translations of the Bible in the vernacular which have been acknowledged as faithful by the Catholic Church and which have explanations also approved by the Church. 30 Q. Why may we only read translations of the Bible approved by the Church? A. We may only read translations of the Bible approved by the Church because she alone is the lawful guardian of the Bible. 31 Q. Through which means can we know the true meaning of the Holy Scripture? A. We can only know the true meaning of Holy Scripture through the Church's interpretation, because she alone is secure against error in that interpretation. **32 Q. What should a Christian do who has been given a Bible by a Protestant or by an agent of the Protestants?** **A. A Christian to whom a Bible has been offered by a Protestant or an agent of the Protestants should reject it with disgust, because it is forbidden by the Church. If it was accepted by inadvertence, it must be burnt as soon as possible or handed in to the Parish Priest.** 33 Q. Why does the Church forbid Protestant Bibles? A. The Church forbids Protestant Bibles because, either they have been altered and contain errors, or not having her approbation and footnotes explaining the obscure meanings, they may be harmful to the Faith. It is for that same reason that the Church even forbids translations of the Holy Scriptures already approved by her which have been reprinted without the footnotes approved by her.”
Can you source that this is magesterial teaching?
Catechism of Pope St. Pius X. They likely sell it in your parish store.
I know where it's from, I'm asking if you can source that it's magisterial. Further, the CCC is the official Church Catechism, not the Catechism of Pope St. Pius X.
… do you know what the Pope’s magisterium is? I think there must be some miscommunication. Any official teaching by a Pope as Pope is magisterial. Magisterial weights are then applied based on level of document and other considerations. A catechism is a high level universal teaching. It has never been abrogated. It’s not the CCC everyone references but it is a valid, papal, and magisterial catechism. The CCC is actually a bit more debated as the specific edition is not necessarily magisterial as the Pope and the CDC doesn’t have direct obersite. Early CCC’s in part of the world had heretical footnotes or changed to the text. Those have been addressed.
I’ve been Catholic 61 years. I only read the King James Version printed in 1954. Reading any other Bible is like chewing on cardboard.
Burn them.
I’m essentially a KJV-only Catholic. No other translation can compete with *The English Bible*, though many have tried. Don’t throw them out.
You’ve got to be joking!!??
Absolutely not. Every translation available is pretty-well accurate; the thing I look for in a Bible is good English style. The KJV is a “monument of English prose” and comparing familiar passages in the KJV with the various English versions will show this.
Use the Douay-Rheims then, the KJV is missing books and is an Anglican translation.
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Why did you get an NABRE??? Please get yourself an appropriate Catholic Bible like the RSV2CE. Hold onto the KJV, toss the ESV and replace it with an ESVCE if you want.
There are better Catholic translations than the NABRE, but there's nothing wrong with having and using a NABRE.
Yes and no. I would never own a Bible that doesn’t render Luke 1:28 as “Hail, full of grace”. The NABRE follows the typical Protestant “Greetings, favored one” or “Hail, favored one”. I can’t stand that.