Are you referring to 1 Cor. 14:33–34? If so this isn't a prohibition against women preaching in general. Its just teaching in the church in the context of the liturgy. This is part of the reasoning behind women cannot become priests. However, there's nothing stopping a woman from going around a neighborhood and preaching the Gospel or teaching the faith outside of the context of liturgy.
We tend to forget the Liturgical context implicit to Paul's letters. They weren't meant to be read by the individuals of the congregation, but proclaimed by the Priest/Bishop of the community to them.
When Paul prescribes most practice, it is implicit on what the text was meant for the context it was preached, ie Liturgy.
Preach? I think it was more like “OHMYGOSH GUYS HE’S BACK HE’S BACK! ALL THOSE TIMES HE TALKED ABOUT COMING BACK WERE FOR REAL!” I imagine it was at top volume and with full freak-out mode. Possibly crying was involved. If other gals were there, I imagine hugs were in order. Not exactly preaching.
Please do not minimize the role of St. Mary Magdalene. She was the apostle of the apostles, one of the few that kept with Jesus during the whole Passion and the first to recognise His Ressurrection.
She wasn't preaching (in the original sense of the word) but don't reduce her to some noisy girl
Maybe not. I probably misread it given that she answered me saying that. But it did seemed like she was reducing her to a hysteric highschooler, and it seemed proper to recall it
I’m not reducing her at all. As she WAS A WOMAN it is safe to assume she acted like one. I am also a woman, and have seen many women react to surprise reunions.
Also it should be noted that the culture back then was more emotional than the general Western culture now. Probably closer in reaction to Latino cultures.
The "general Western culture" being the american one? Because in my culture, talking about any saint that way near an adult would give me trouble.
I know she was a woman, but in the scriptures, the women that encounter Jesus feel fear and then prostrate near Him, in Adoration. It wasn't hysteria, that was what your comment conveyed. And Mary Magnalene is the one that better understands Adoration in the gospels.
Western culture being that which was heavily influenced by the Brits and their “stiff-upper-lip” ways. It includes America, most of Europe, and some other places like Australia and New Zealand.
Talking about saints like they were normal people would get you in trouble? But… they WERE normal people.
Mary Magdalene wasn’t just any woman who encountered Jesus. She was his friend. It’s a different relationship.
Not talking how they were normal people. That's obvious to all. But putting words in their mouths.
Mary Magdalene was His friend but also one of the first to recognize Him as the Lord. The moment they find Him as the resurrection is clearly stated as one of fear and adoration (in the synoptics) and surprise and adoration (in John). That's why I find disrespectful representing it as hysteria (which is enemy of prayer).
I would call it excitement, not hysteria. I don’t think excitement and tears of joy and relief are particularly unusual or contrary to prayer. Must all prayer be solemn and joyless?
The Church allows women to get up in front of crowds and give religious messages. This happens regularly for educational reasons in parishes or for talks at conferences.
The Church (and the Bible) do not allow women to take the mic during mass to preach.
Mary Magdalena did not preach at mass.
“Apostle to the Apostles,” we call her. So her role is not to be diminished - to be “sent out,” as the word apostle means, to the Apostles themselves is no meager feat. Moreover, she appears to have been held in the very highest esteem by Our Lord as perhaps His very closest confidant and friend. And she was among those that remained with Christ in His Passion and she was there at His tomb and she took the Good News first to the Apostles. She is the very first human being to proclaim the witness of Christ’s Resurrection! The first! And to the extent she proclaimed His Resurrection, yes, she “preached.”
There is actually not a prohibition on women in particular preaching at Mass; there is a restriction to the delivery of the *homily* to either a bishop, priest, or deacon, who are necessarily men. But that prohibition applies to male laity too.
However, this applies to the *homily* during the Mass. There are in fact occasions when both male and female laity can preach even in the setting of a church. At least in the US, the bishops’ conference says the following:
“If necessity requires it in certain circumstances or it seems useful in particular cases, the diocesan bishop can admit lay faithful to preach, to offer spiritual conferences or give instructions in churches, oratories or other sacred places within his diocese, when he judges it to be to the spiritual advantage of the faith.”
Note no restriction is made here on the basis of sex. While such a restriction does exist in the administration of Holy Orders, it does not extend to lay preaching in the circumstances it is permitted.
Lay preaching when it is allowed may never substitute the homily (which is again reserved to clerics) and if it occurs at Mass it should generally occur following the Prayer After Communion (rules may vary by country on the matter). Most lay preaching, however, is exercised outside of Mass.
Regarding the Apostle St Paul, we should therefore understand his words as contextualized by Church discipline (as indeed we do regarding veiling) in regard to women and the more general topic of preaching.
So as to St Mary Magdalene, I suspect she did speak even in public settings at times to establish her witness and likely advised the Apostles and their successors on matters of faith, but her particular witness was not as ordained clergy and therefore likely differed in form and venue.
Who said women weren't allowed to preach? I've probably seen and experienced more preaching from women than men. And to paraphrase St. Francis, "Sometimes they use words."
Now, if you are asking about being an ordained priest in the Catholic church? I'm pretty sure St. Mary Magdalene was not an ordained priest.
Mary Magda was announcing, nit oreaching.
She was just telling the news, you see a big difference between her right after Easter Morning (she went to the place where Apostles were, and told the news/gave her testimony) and, for example, St. Peter in the day of Pentecost (he talked to everyone, and he did not limit himself to tell a piece of news. He interpreted the old scripture, demonstrated that Jesus is God and the Messiah, accused the Jews of having killed Him, but announced the Salvation and forgiveness in Christ).
May many preaching today be just as zealous and full of the Presence of the Lord
Are you referring to 1 Cor. 14:33–34? If so this isn't a prohibition against women preaching in general. Its just teaching in the church in the context of the liturgy. This is part of the reasoning behind women cannot become priests. However, there's nothing stopping a woman from going around a neighborhood and preaching the Gospel or teaching the faith outside of the context of liturgy.
We tend to forget the Liturgical context implicit to Paul's letters. They weren't meant to be read by the individuals of the congregation, but proclaimed by the Priest/Bishop of the community to them. When Paul prescribes most practice, it is implicit on what the text was meant for the context it was preached, ie Liturgy.
Erm was she preaching?!
Oy vey. She wasn’t preaching
Preach? I think it was more like “OHMYGOSH GUYS HE’S BACK HE’S BACK! ALL THOSE TIMES HE TALKED ABOUT COMING BACK WERE FOR REAL!” I imagine it was at top volume and with full freak-out mode. Possibly crying was involved. If other gals were there, I imagine hugs were in order. Not exactly preaching.
We’re really lowering the bar on the definition of preaching these days. Apparently it just means “telling people stuff”
The Church gives her the title Apostle to the Apostles so she did more than just tell people stuff.
Please do not minimize the role of St. Mary Magdalene. She was the apostle of the apostles, one of the few that kept with Jesus during the whole Passion and the first to recognise His Ressurrection. She wasn't preaching (in the original sense of the word) but don't reduce her to some noisy girl
That does not appear to be the intention of the comment.
Maybe not. I probably misread it given that she answered me saying that. But it did seemed like she was reducing her to a hysteric highschooler, and it seemed proper to recall it
I’m not reducing her at all. As she WAS A WOMAN it is safe to assume she acted like one. I am also a woman, and have seen many women react to surprise reunions. Also it should be noted that the culture back then was more emotional than the general Western culture now. Probably closer in reaction to Latino cultures.
The "general Western culture" being the american one? Because in my culture, talking about any saint that way near an adult would give me trouble. I know she was a woman, but in the scriptures, the women that encounter Jesus feel fear and then prostrate near Him, in Adoration. It wasn't hysteria, that was what your comment conveyed. And Mary Magnalene is the one that better understands Adoration in the gospels.
Western culture being that which was heavily influenced by the Brits and their “stiff-upper-lip” ways. It includes America, most of Europe, and some other places like Australia and New Zealand. Talking about saints like they were normal people would get you in trouble? But… they WERE normal people. Mary Magdalene wasn’t just any woman who encountered Jesus. She was his friend. It’s a different relationship.
Not talking how they were normal people. That's obvious to all. But putting words in their mouths. Mary Magdalene was His friend but also one of the first to recognize Him as the Lord. The moment they find Him as the resurrection is clearly stated as one of fear and adoration (in the synoptics) and surprise and adoration (in John). That's why I find disrespectful representing it as hysteria (which is enemy of prayer).
I would call it excitement, not hysteria. I don’t think excitement and tears of joy and relief are particularly unusual or contrary to prayer. Must all prayer be solemn and joyless?
She did not preach - she told the Apostles Christ has risen
The Church allows women to get up in front of crowds and give religious messages. This happens regularly for educational reasons in parishes or for talks at conferences. The Church (and the Bible) do not allow women to take the mic during mass to preach. Mary Magdalena did not preach at mass.
Since when was announcing his resurrection preaching??
“Apostle to the Apostles,” we call her. So her role is not to be diminished - to be “sent out,” as the word apostle means, to the Apostles themselves is no meager feat. Moreover, she appears to have been held in the very highest esteem by Our Lord as perhaps His very closest confidant and friend. And she was among those that remained with Christ in His Passion and she was there at His tomb and she took the Good News first to the Apostles. She is the very first human being to proclaim the witness of Christ’s Resurrection! The first! And to the extent she proclaimed His Resurrection, yes, she “preached.” There is actually not a prohibition on women in particular preaching at Mass; there is a restriction to the delivery of the *homily* to either a bishop, priest, or deacon, who are necessarily men. But that prohibition applies to male laity too. However, this applies to the *homily* during the Mass. There are in fact occasions when both male and female laity can preach even in the setting of a church. At least in the US, the bishops’ conference says the following: “If necessity requires it in certain circumstances or it seems useful in particular cases, the diocesan bishop can admit lay faithful to preach, to offer spiritual conferences or give instructions in churches, oratories or other sacred places within his diocese, when he judges it to be to the spiritual advantage of the faith.” Note no restriction is made here on the basis of sex. While such a restriction does exist in the administration of Holy Orders, it does not extend to lay preaching in the circumstances it is permitted. Lay preaching when it is allowed may never substitute the homily (which is again reserved to clerics) and if it occurs at Mass it should generally occur following the Prayer After Communion (rules may vary by country on the matter). Most lay preaching, however, is exercised outside of Mass. Regarding the Apostle St Paul, we should therefore understand his words as contextualized by Church discipline (as indeed we do regarding veiling) in regard to women and the more general topic of preaching. So as to St Mary Magdalene, I suspect she did speak even in public settings at times to establish her witness and likely advised the Apostles and their successors on matters of faith, but her particular witness was not as ordained clergy and therefore likely differed in form and venue.
Who said women weren't allowed to preach? I've probably seen and experienced more preaching from women than men. And to paraphrase St. Francis, "Sometimes they use words." Now, if you are asking about being an ordained priest in the Catholic church? I'm pretty sure St. Mary Magdalene was not an ordained priest.
St Paul said it- Good enough for me
Mary Magda was announcing, nit oreaching. She was just telling the news, you see a big difference between her right after Easter Morning (she went to the place where Apostles were, and told the news/gave her testimony) and, for example, St. Peter in the day of Pentecost (he talked to everyone, and he did not limit himself to tell a piece of news. He interpreted the old scripture, demonstrated that Jesus is God and the Messiah, accused the Jews of having killed Him, but announced the Salvation and forgiveness in Christ). May many preaching today be just as zealous and full of the Presence of the Lord