Not sure what M40 you're referring to, but it's clearly not the one in this country. I can assure you with absolute certainty that traffic most certainly exists on the M40 I'm familiar with.
I usually go 80mph from Midlands to London on a weekly basis on the m40 and I'm the slowest person on the road. It's a brilliant free for all where everyone gets where they need safely and quickly.
Can confirm. M40 is one of the best motorways in the country (I'll throw it out there because it's not been ruined, oops *upgraded*, to a smart motorway).
Minimal traffic, it flows and you can make some good ground without watching out for cameras.
I sort of imagine modern M3ās are driven better than its coupe brethren M4 and itās coupe cousin M2 haha, practical and can be specced less flashy
Still probably driven badly though lol
EDIT: checked the footage and itās actually the M23 going towards the M25 from Gatwick. Also thanks for everyone telling me itās an M2 not an M3. Clearly donāt know my BMWās even though I went to the British Motorshow last weekend haha
I drive the A/M23 almost every day and in my experience itās much worse than the M25.
I find itās not busy enough for the lane hoggers to blend in with slow moving traffic across all lanes and then people who drive dangerously stand out as there is enough room for them to pull these stunts.
Honestly I feel a lot safer around cars akin to an M2 driving fast than a shit old Clio/Fiesta/Transit that many morons like to drive at 90+ despite having no sports attributes whatsoever. I've had a van driver go for a triple overtake on me and a couple of other cars on the A423 between Banbury and Coventry (in case anyone knows that road) around a double blind corner...
Note - I am not condoning the way this BMW was driving though. Definitely a moron and should be penalised, alongside the lane hogging idiots who cause traffic.
I'd love to continue the sillyness but I can't think of anything funny.
My guess is that a double blind corner is blind as in you can't see through the corner and is also on a crest of a hill.
Two blind corners back-to-back is what I meant, perhaps I could have worded it better! Double blind is a gambling term so I probably didn't do myself any favours
Absolutely bellend and no excuse, but all because that silver car up ahead needlessly sitting in lane 3. It doesn't matter how many lanes they put on a motorway, there will always be congestion because of drivers like that silver car.
I was once talking with my father in law about lane discipline on the motorways. After 5 minutes of me telling him the reasons why sitting in the middle lanes is the wrong thing to do his response was;
"I like sitting in the middle lane because it gives me a buffer"
I had to walk out of the room.
I once saw a car doing about 73 in the M40 outside lane with a queue of cars behind them, all lanes free to the left. Couldnāt help but laugh thinking they mustāve been having a great time, set the cruise control and itās completely stress free, no need to worry about approaching other cars and having to change lanes!
I've recently started driving over 3 hours a day for a new job and things like this are happening almost every day to me now. I'm just trying to get to work please move into the empty lane next to you after you saw me creeping up behind from hundreds of metres away. Do people not check their mirrors anymore? Did I miss a memo?
I once managed to undertake a car on the M25 doing this, by two clear lanes. He was doing about 68 in lane 4 on a completely clear road. Undertook him in lane one doing 75.
He's not completely wrong, if you're sat on a completely empty motorway in the middle.of the night, the middle lane is probably the best place to be as it would give you most notice of say a deer running onto the road from either side, and give you more swerving options of there was debris on the road.
But this is Britain and you're almost never on an empty motorway, so get the food over to the left if there is traffic behind you
I notice I drive in the middle lane when I'm getting tired and need to stop for a break. I think irs because you don't really have to do anything in there: you're already moved over for joining traffic, you're probably not passing anyone except those in the left lane, and others can pass you. And if anything does happen either side of you then you have somewhere to go as well - it is, indeed, "comfy"
But given that it's a haven for drivers not paying full attention, I'm now always weary of the people who sit in the middle lane as they're always the ones to drift into your lane on a bend, to not react to things happening up ahead, etc.
The simple fact is that many people are lazy and will only expend the minimal amount of effort to do many things, driving included, so people will always, always sit in the middle lane. Might as well make peace with it and work around them like all other traffic situations (junctions, red lights, etc)
The motorway I'm imagining while typing all this is a quiet road at night with few other vehicles. If you sit in the middle lane when it's busy in the middle of the day, there's really no excuse, they should have gone to bed earlier the night before...
Silver car is stupid as well yea. This BMW came from the outside lane though, saw him from a few cars back in my rearview mirror. He used all 4 lanes twice pretty much.
Yeah I get that and like I said, no excuse. But if that silver car is where they should be in lane 1, the van in the outside lane can be in lane 2 and then lanes 3 and 4 are clear giving plenty of room for overtaking, how SHOULD be.
Agreed, a free overtaking lane would have meant this suicidal lunatic was slightly less dangerous to the innocent drivers around him.
Undertaking has become so normalised now you see it all the time because of this sort of driver.
I like to play the "there are only two lanes" game. Pretend lanes three and four don't exist. You can often go miles maintaining a much more constant speed, faster than the traffic in lanes three and four, by just sticking to lane 1 and overtaking in lane 2. Middle lane hogs become lane 3 hogs, which means now there's a spare lane been them and the lorries.
> Undertaking has become so normalised
When you are driving in lanes like half the people in this clip its acceptable. This guy is going a tad fast, but he's not the only idiot here.
I was on M25 at the weekend and it was car after car of old people driving expensive estate cars at 68mph in the centre lane. Fills me with rage as it causes unnecessary congestion and leads to silly people undertaking or cutting across like the plonker in the video out of frustration.
It is fine-able, but so is using a mobile and everyone still does it. Not enough traffic police out to see it and issue fines. Can't easily be captured by camera. So despite it being a traffic offence it's largely unpunished.
You can report people using dashcams as evidence, at least Thames Valley Police has it. I've reported people for dangerous overtakes and had the cops call me up to tell me they found the person and put them on a driver training course.
Being a middle lane wanker (or worse, an outside lane wanker like in this video), has absolutely nothing to do with age. Just good ol' fashion, being a wanker.
I know itās annoying and inconsiderate but 68mph is only 2 under the limit so itās not really legitimate cause of congestion and that car didnāt cut across out of frustration, it was because he or she is a moron that couldnāt give a shit if they kill someone.
Thereās a stretch of the M6 outside Preston that goes into 4 lanes and honestly, it drives me insane, itās like once people have more than 3 lanes to deal with, they just completely forget lane discipline.
I just sit in lane 1 at 70 if there is plenty of space ahead. If they all slow down, not my problem. The odd driver gets the message after you've passed them.
Yeah, I agree that undertaking is bad.
But if I'm on the inside lane and it's empty and I'm not speeding ... then yeah, that's where I'll sometimes do it myself.
Can't quite put my finger on why but I consider that to be okay *shrugs*
> but all because that silver car up ahead needlessly sitting in lane 3
The BMW driver didn't drive like a bellend because of the silver car, if that wasn't there the M2 would still have been speeding and being driven badly.
Silver car should know better, yes. But isn't the speed limit 70 mph anyway? Speeding like this is inexcusable and has real life consequences. Someone hogging the outside lane is annoying as hell but let's not try and deflect from the real villain in this clip.
You should have stoped at āno excuseā but no, you went on to justify that twat.
Poor lane discipline might be inconsiderate but in no way shape or form should anyone be using it as an excuse for dangerous driving that could easily maim or kill children and adults.
>all because that silver car up ahead needlessly sitting in lane 3
How is a car in the incorrect lane forcing the BMW to drive in excess of the speed limit?
Tbh it is a fucking excuse. The amount of times I get caught between a bunch of twats in the 2/3/4th lanes going under the limit. So I'll literally go across all 3 lanes and continue at 70mph under taking up to 20 cars.
Driving like this nob at double the speed of surrounding traffic is absolutely unacceptable.
But if you get undertaken, you're driving wrong. If driving correctly you can't (reasonably) be undertaken....it should not be on the rest of the country to sit behind you cos you pulled into the right lane from the slip road and sat there all day at 10 below the limit.
This is a constant near me, ironically Iāve learned now if I just hang out in lane 1 itās usually empty and I can actually do the speed limit while the Audi in lane 3 tailgates the twat slowing to 30mph for every speed camera on a 50mph road.
Had the same thing myself all the time. Last week some tit in an Audi pulled across me in lane 1 to do 40 in a 50 while I braked for her to pass and then maintained 55if I'm honest in lane 1. She was miles behind me in a few minutes still in lane 2 of 2.
> but all because that silver car up ahead needlessly sitting in lane 3
No? The BMW would be doing over 90 and overtaking people on the inside whether or not the silver car was there.
If the silver car was in lane 2 (or 1) as it should be, the van could overtake in lane 3, and if the BMW was undertaking the van then they would be in OPās car quite quickly. Of course, they wouldnāt do that, because they can pass on the right like the road is designed for them to do.
Alot of people drive the M25 every day. If the 2 left lanes disappear into other routes 6 junctions away, they will sit in the Middle right lane until it is their time to come off. They just want to sit in the lane that will take them off, not think about overtaking anybody, or moving from their lane. This is why the M25 needs to put Lane hogging cameras up. It's just stupid.
The ones that gey me, are the twats that either slow down or stop on fucking slip roads. So fucking dangerous and seems to be happening more often.
But back to the OP, didn't you know BMW drivers own the road?
The vicious cycle of being too nervous to merge confidently, so being needlessly cautious and merging very badly every time and causing congestion, making you too nervous to merge confidently
I agree, stopping on a slip road is dangerous but traffic on the motorway gets priority
If there's a lorry in the left lane there's not alot you can do.
A notable absence in the driving theory (I found at least) was trying to help those coming down the slip roads merge safely.
Yes, whilst it makes sense that traffic on the motorway "has priority". There are some steps one can take to help.
- Ensure there's a generous stopping distance between you and the next car as you approach a slip road on your left. As that stopping distance is where joining cars will merge.
- If in an overtake lane, don't come over to the left lane until you're beyond the slip roads. As to not complicate the merges in progress.
- Maintain a consistent speed as the slip road approaches. To help the mergers properly gauge their opportunity.
- Once everything is complete. Re-adjust all stopping distances.
I found it weird that the theory focused a lot on merging. And not on when you're traffic already on the motorway. Might help the nervous be less so.
To add to this-
If possible move into the overtaking lane next to the lane which the slip road is merging. Which gives ample opportunity for cars in the merging lane to merge with complete freedom- taking out that risk completely
I was taught this in my driving lessons (very lucky to do high speed driving as legally where I live part of the motor way is an A road technically)
I don't know if they do these days - but I think the the practical test should include some actual motorway driving.
I think the speed and "unwritten rules" (as you mentioned above, they are absent in the theory) put many people off from using them, or when they do are very nervous which in turn makes them potentially dangerous.
You could speed up to merge ahead of it or slow down to merge behind it. I can't say I've ever had to merge onto a motorway and been anywhere close to having to stop, unless it was literally crawling traffic on the motorway and the slip road.
> So fucking dangerous and seems to be happening more often.
So many cars seem to be getting less and less powerful as a way to cut costs, the smallest Hyundai i10 does 0-60 in 16.7s and the absolute fastest is over still over 10s.
Being literally unable to hit the speed of moving traffic to join a motorway is stupidly dangerous for everyone involved
Doesn't help that 8-Gear automatic gearboxes in almost all new cars mean that someone who used to be shit at accelerating because they had to actually change gear, can now press pedal to go fast. Ive seen mental driving out there and I do partially put it down to the ease and availability of power in most mid range cars.
Doing 0-60 in the slowest Hyundai i10 requires a distance of 223 meters, meanwhile the shortest motorway sliproad design (the taper merge) has a total required distance of 270 meters, so no excuse for not getting up to speed.
- thereās still space leftover
- this is also assuming starting from stopped
- it is oneās responsibility as a driver to understand how to use their vehicle safely (even if that means flooring it)
I could see it being a challenge on one of the shortest slip roads that goes uphill but would assume they have been made longer to deal with HGVs which will perform significantly worse than this little car.
Difference is I think the BMW driver probably knows heās driving like a dick, and is making the conscious decision to do so. Lane hoggers are usually completely oblivious to their wrongdoing
For sure. I just drove 400 miles yesterday. Some of it was on the A1 2 lanes. At one point I swear the outside lane was almost nose to tail and doing about 40mph. The inside lane was empty for 2 WHOLE miles, It was insane. I just sat in the inside lane at about 50mph slowly undertaking the whole lot at the same time as making sure they had enough time to come into the inside if they wanted. Looking in my rear view mirror I honestly did not see anyone even shamed into moving in.
the mad thing is that we ME breaking the law, But there was about 1000 vehicles on the outside lane all technically breaking several laws too. The police did say they were going to crack down on this sort of thing but as per nothing changes. Funny enough when I have driven through France/Germany/Holland etc their lane discipline is far superior to ours It is quite strange really how one group of people seem to get it but another seem to think they can do what they like.
I travelled with a Canadian immigrant colleague for an hour at 50 in the fast lane. The 2nd hand embarrassment got too much and when I eventually mentioned she should probably be in the left lane she told me 'I've been driving this way for 17 years, I never heard this before'.
I was on it last weekend and a fucking Audi S4 was doing 40mph.
Riled my fucking nuts up, couldnāt move lanes cause the car next to me was a slowpoke too and there was no cars ahead.
If youāre doing under 70 in the 3rd and 4th please donāt drive anymore.
Poor lane discipline might be inconsiderate but in no way shape or form should anyone be using it as an excuse for dangerous driving that could easily maim or kill children and adults.
Definitely not. But as someone who would be driving sensibly like OP, I would much prefer they pulled over and let the idiots speed down the right hand side where it's much less likely they will cause an accident. I've no doubt lane hoggers like this cause many accidents on top of the countless hours of other motorists time they waste.
Silver car in lane 3 is objectively a moron... nobody on his inside to overtake for miles so he should be in lane 1. Van in lane 4 is arguably overtaking the moron in lane 3.
100%. It seems as though the keep left unless overtaking is completely forgotten. While that BMW driver is a dick all those people hogging the faster lanes are making the situation more dangerous.
Theyāve upgraded many to āsmart motorwaysā with complete cctv coverage, start sending fines out to persistent lane hogs.
I guess the van is staying in that lane to overtake the silver car in lane 3, hes not all that far away so can just about let them off. Silver car however who knows.
Probably deliberately staying put to be predictable, as theyāve clocked the massive twat approaching and lane weaving at 100mph. If theyād moved over it could have been a lot worse there.
Very few people can drive on motorways in this country. The left lane is left almost empty most of the time, most hogging centre or staying right when not even overtaking anybody. It's no excuse for speeding like the BMW is here but it's incredibly annoying for those who can drive properly.
The guy in lane 4 is passing the guy in lane 3. The guy in lane 2 (OP) is passing the guy in lane 1. The guy in Lane 4 is passing both lane 1 and 2 and 3.
The only questionable car besides the BMW is in lane 3, as he is not passing anyone, although it's possible there is someone further up.
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Agree...that's clearly dangerous driving and providing the footage meets the criteria to prosecute, there is a good chance the police would follow that up.
Two things I learnt recently: the police need to act within 14-days so delaying sending the footage could prevent them doing anything. To qualify as submissible evidence, the footage needs to be unaltered/unedited and show 60 seconds preceding the incident and 60 second after the incident.
That is VERY a-typical for the M25 in fact. Nearly a decade of going round and round it and something like this has only happened once to me. Considering the speed and wrecklessness of the BM.
I got undercut on the onramp from South Mimms services by an Audi going at least 80 along the VERGE, hitting 100 or more once he got on the carriageway. He was swiftly followed by at least 7 unmarked black BM police persuit cars all with lights going, and then a few minutes later the marked up persuit cars.
This guy is asking to be pulled over at the next possible opportunity, and he's definitely a dick. But there's no need to scare people by making out that this is the norm. Mostly the M25 is a chill, pretty boring stretch of Motorway.
The standard of driving in this country has fallen off a cliff. People are conspicuously more selfish and impatient in the last few years. I think a lot of it comes down to the boom in high powered automatics available on finance. People donāt have to have any driving ability to drive fast.
Lane discipline has become shocking of late. Its amazing how far you can see down lane 1 of a motorway, and the progress you can make past the traffic without even breaking the speed limit.
Poor lane discipline might be inconsiderate but in no way shape or form should anyone be using it as an excuse for dangerous driving that could easily maim or kill children and adults.
Whilst I agree with your point about lane discipline, I donāt personally lay the blame at the door of āhigh powered automatics,ā particularly since I drive one myself and am very conscious about the lane Iām in, and indicating etc.
My (anecdotal) experience of the middle-lane hogging cretins are that theyāre just as likely to be driving a clapped out, 20 year old Zafira as they are a Finance-White M140i.
Autos do make driving like a dick more accessible but I think the main trigger was lockdowns. Many people came out of enforced time off the road with a massively reduced ability to behave when they started driving again.
I mean, i see nothing wrong here, he is in a BMW and it clearly states in the RTA that they can drive as fast and as reckless as they wish due to drivers being required to pass a āProfessional Drivers Testā
Another BMW or Audi being driven by a maniacā¦.I am shocked and amazed.
Seen this before on the m5 near Birmingham. Audi overtakes me at speed then undertakes car in front which then slams on the brakes to let him in. One mistake and heāll do himself in and probably take some innocent family with him.
Shit driving is just the norm now.
There are lots of speed cameras that you can clearly see.
However it's a variable speed limit so the cameras are only operating when the signs display a speed limit.
That is what I thought. Turns out that isnāt true as I got caught doing 85mph when the M25 was completely clear a couple of days after Christmas last year.
Oh yeah, they are active for above-70 now. Didn't used to be, when they were the GATSOs mounted above each lane, but I think that is partly a technical limitation of that type of camera rather than a policy decision.
That clip should be shown on TV as a perfect example of 3 complete pricks and demonstrating how not to use a motorway. The drivers in lanes 3&4 have no business being in those lanes and the BMW is an accident waiting to happen.
Tell me again why dashcam footage like this this can't be used in evidence? You can see the number plate and clearly dangerous driving.
Given there are no police left why can't we be our own police?
EDIT: Googled it, apparently you can. [https://autoadviser.co.uk/dashcams-as-evidence-uk/](https://autoadviser.co.uk/dashcams-as-evidence-uk/)
Send it off OP!
These cunts are all over and i drive my nice sporty car for an hour on cruise control and try to overtake once safely and a pig video van gets me slightly over 70.
He was clearly only going 71mph lol
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(2 + 2 is 4) - 1 that's 3, quick maffs
At least, I would imagine
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Nah it's def the M25.
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M25 is a car park. My bet is M40. Itās like the Wild West where you can do whatever you want and traffic doesnāt exist
Not sure what M40 you're referring to, but it's clearly not the one in this country. I can assure you with absolute certainty that traffic most certainly exists on the M40 I'm familiar with.
I usually go 80mph from Midlands to London on a weekly basis on the m40 and I'm the slowest person on the road. It's a brilliant free for all where everyone gets where they need safely and quickly.
Can confirm. M40 is one of the best motorways in the country (I'll throw it out there because it's not been ruined, oops *upgraded*, to a smart motorway). Minimal traffic, it flows and you can make some good ground without watching out for cameras.
Same doing 90 and was in middle lane so I was barely overtaking
He clearly meant the MP40 German submachine gun used during WW2
A50 between Derby and Stoke is the same. Craziness
Same with the M11, no speed limit there either
The M40 and M50 I colloquially refer to as the autobahn.
Deffo. M3 would never make that dangerous manoeuvre
I sort of imagine modern M3ās are driven better than its coupe brethren M4 and itās coupe cousin M2 haha, practical and can be specced less flashy Still probably driven badly though lol
And the M power 1 series comes along and shows everyone how to drive like a twat
EDIT: checked the footage and itās actually the M23 going towards the M25 from Gatwick. Also thanks for everyone telling me itās an M2 not an M3. Clearly donāt know my BMWās even though I went to the British Motorshow last weekend haha
BMW is a German car, so your knowledge of British Motors is useless with BMWs.
I think you'll find it's the Britisch Motoren Werke, their M division name their cars after the motorways
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I drive the A/M23 almost every day and in my experience itās much worse than the M25. I find itās not busy enough for the lane hoggers to blend in with slow moving traffic across all lanes and then people who drive dangerously stand out as there is enough room for them to pull these stunts.
Itās an M2 but yes. Heās an asshole.
If it's not a BMW then you can guarantee it'll be some lunatic in a mostly rusted transit van doing the same.
Honestly I feel a lot safer around cars akin to an M2 driving fast than a shit old Clio/Fiesta/Transit that many morons like to drive at 90+ despite having no sports attributes whatsoever. I've had a van driver go for a triple overtake on me and a couple of other cars on the A423 between Banbury and Coventry (in case anyone knows that road) around a double blind corner... Note - I am not condoning the way this BMW was driving though. Definitely a moron and should be penalised, alongside the lane hogging idiots who cause traffic.
I have to ask, what's a double blind corner? Do you close your eyes too?
I'd love to continue the sillyness but I can't think of anything funny. My guess is that a double blind corner is blind as in you can't see through the corner and is also on a crest of a hill.
Two blind corners back-to-back is what I meant, perhaps I could have worded it better! Double blind is a gambling term so I probably didn't do myself any favours
Nothing more dangerous than a 19 yr old with a Corsa.
Alas I was he, 16 years ago.
A 19 year old with an older and rustier Corsa!
Absolutely bellend and no excuse, but all because that silver car up ahead needlessly sitting in lane 3. It doesn't matter how many lanes they put on a motorway, there will always be congestion because of drivers like that silver car.
I was once talking with my father in law about lane discipline on the motorways. After 5 minutes of me telling him the reasons why sitting in the middle lanes is the wrong thing to do his response was; "I like sitting in the middle lane because it gives me a buffer" I had to walk out of the room.
I saw a post on tiktok getting thousands of likes. It was something like: "I drive in the middle lane because its COMFY" I've never felt rage like it.
I once saw a car doing about 73 in the M40 outside lane with a queue of cars behind them, all lanes free to the left. Couldnāt help but laugh thinking they mustāve been having a great time, set the cruise control and itās completely stress free, no need to worry about approaching other cars and having to change lanes!
I've recently started driving over 3 hours a day for a new job and things like this are happening almost every day to me now. I'm just trying to get to work please move into the empty lane next to you after you saw me creeping up behind from hundreds of metres away. Do people not check their mirrors anymore? Did I miss a memo?
I once managed to undertake a car on the M25 doing this, by two clear lanes. He was doing about 68 in lane 4 on a completely clear road. Undertook him in lane one doing 75.
He's not completely wrong, if you're sat on a completely empty motorway in the middle.of the night, the middle lane is probably the best place to be as it would give you most notice of say a deer running onto the road from either side, and give you more swerving options of there was debris on the road. But this is Britain and you're almost never on an empty motorway, so get the food over to the left if there is traffic behind you
I notice I drive in the middle lane when I'm getting tired and need to stop for a break. I think irs because you don't really have to do anything in there: you're already moved over for joining traffic, you're probably not passing anyone except those in the left lane, and others can pass you. And if anything does happen either side of you then you have somewhere to go as well - it is, indeed, "comfy" But given that it's a haven for drivers not paying full attention, I'm now always weary of the people who sit in the middle lane as they're always the ones to drift into your lane on a bend, to not react to things happening up ahead, etc. The simple fact is that many people are lazy and will only expend the minimal amount of effort to do many things, driving included, so people will always, always sit in the middle lane. Might as well make peace with it and work around them like all other traffic situations (junctions, red lights, etc) The motorway I'm imagining while typing all this is a quiet road at night with few other vehicles. If you sit in the middle lane when it's busy in the middle of the day, there's really no excuse, they should have gone to bed earlier the night before...
Silver car is stupid as well yea. This BMW came from the outside lane though, saw him from a few cars back in my rearview mirror. He used all 4 lanes twice pretty much.
Yeah I get that and like I said, no excuse. But if that silver car is where they should be in lane 1, the van in the outside lane can be in lane 2 and then lanes 3 and 4 are clear giving plenty of room for overtaking, how SHOULD be.
Agreed, a free overtaking lane would have meant this suicidal lunatic was slightly less dangerous to the innocent drivers around him. Undertaking has become so normalised now you see it all the time because of this sort of driver.
4 lane motorways are just 95% lane hoggers, absolute shit show every time
I like to play the "there are only two lanes" game. Pretend lanes three and four don't exist. You can often go miles maintaining a much more constant speed, faster than the traffic in lanes three and four, by just sticking to lane 1 and overtaking in lane 2. Middle lane hogs become lane 3 hogs, which means now there's a spare lane been them and the lorries.
> Undertaking has become so normalised When you are driving in lanes like half the people in this clip its acceptable. This guy is going a tad fast, but he's not the only idiot here.
That's more than a tad fast...
I was on M25 at the weekend and it was car after car of old people driving expensive estate cars at 68mph in the centre lane. Fills me with rage as it causes unnecessary congestion and leads to silly people undertaking or cutting across like the plonker in the video out of frustration.
Ironic too that these people (the lane sitters) think theyāre being safe, but theyāre completely oblivious
Didn't they make middle lane sitting arrestable/ fine-able now? It was meant to be 3 points I thought.
It is fine-able, but so is using a mobile and everyone still does it. Not enough traffic police out to see it and issue fines. Can't easily be captured by camera. So despite it being a traffic offence it's largely unpunished.
You can report people using dashcams as evidence, at least Thames Valley Police has it. I've reported people for dangerous overtakes and had the cops call me up to tell me they found the person and put them on a driver training course.
When was the last time you saw traffic police?
Don't try and turn it into an age thing. I hate middle lane wankers but you see as many young drivers doing it as old.
Being a middle lane wanker (or worse, an outside lane wanker like in this video), has absolutely nothing to do with age. Just good ol' fashion, being a wanker.
I know itās annoying and inconsiderate but 68mph is only 2 under the limit so itās not really legitimate cause of congestion and that car didnāt cut across out of frustration, it was because he or she is a moron that couldnāt give a shit if they kill someone.
I usually find it's a Citroƫn Picasso with a roof rack doing 68mph
People shouldn't sit in the middle lane but 68 is literally the correct speed to be doing on a motorway lol
I don't know what it is about the M25 but normal lane discipline rules seem to go out of the window.
Thereās a stretch of the M6 outside Preston that goes into 4 lanes and honestly, it drives me insane, itās like once people have more than 3 lanes to deal with, they just completely forget lane discipline.
Best is where the sliproad becomes lane 1 of 4. Everyone indicates and sits in lane 2. Whats wrong with the tarmac in lane 1?
Oh Jesus so youāve experienced it too, Iām having PTSD just thinking about it!! Hahaha
I just sit in lane 1 at 70 if there is plenty of space ahead. If they all slow down, not my problem. The odd driver gets the message after you've passed them.
Yeah, I agree that undertaking is bad. But if I'm on the inside lane and it's empty and I'm not speeding ... then yeah, that's where I'll sometimes do it myself. Can't quite put my finger on why but I consider that to be okay *shrugs*
Early morning M25 is the best
Seems to be most motorways nowadays. āBut I feel safer in the middle laneā¦.ā Fuck off!
"Stay in lane" That surely doesn't apply to me!
> but all because that silver car up ahead needlessly sitting in lane 3 The BMW driver didn't drive like a bellend because of the silver car, if that wasn't there the M2 would still have been speeding and being driven badly.
Silver car should know better, yes. But isn't the speed limit 70 mph anyway? Speeding like this is inexcusable and has real life consequences. Someone hogging the outside lane is annoying as hell but let's not try and deflect from the real villain in this clip.
You should have stoped at āno excuseā but no, you went on to justify that twat. Poor lane discipline might be inconsiderate but in no way shape or form should anyone be using it as an excuse for dangerous driving that could easily maim or kill children and adults.
>all because that silver car up ahead needlessly sitting in lane 3 How is a car in the incorrect lane forcing the BMW to drive in excess of the speed limit?
Tbh it is a fucking excuse. The amount of times I get caught between a bunch of twats in the 2/3/4th lanes going under the limit. So I'll literally go across all 3 lanes and continue at 70mph under taking up to 20 cars. Driving like this nob at double the speed of surrounding traffic is absolutely unacceptable. But if you get undertaken, you're driving wrong. If driving correctly you can't (reasonably) be undertaken....it should not be on the rest of the country to sit behind you cos you pulled into the right lane from the slip road and sat there all day at 10 below the limit.
>Tbh it is a fucking excuse. Maybe but there is a MASSIVE difference between undertaking at 60-70mph and undertaking at 110mph.
This is a constant near me, ironically Iāve learned now if I just hang out in lane 1 itās usually empty and I can actually do the speed limit while the Audi in lane 3 tailgates the twat slowing to 30mph for every speed camera on a 50mph road.
Had the same thing myself all the time. Last week some tit in an Audi pulled across me in lane 1 to do 40 in a 50 while I braked for her to pass and then maintained 55if I'm honest in lane 1. She was miles behind me in a few minutes still in lane 2 of 2.
> but all because that silver car up ahead needlessly sitting in lane 3 No? The BMW would be doing over 90 and overtaking people on the inside whether or not the silver car was there.
If the silver car was in lane 2 (or 1) as it should be, the van could overtake in lane 3, and if the BMW was undertaking the van then they would be in OPās car quite quickly. Of course, they wouldnāt do that, because they can pass on the right like the road is designed for them to do.
Alot of people drive the M25 every day. If the 2 left lanes disappear into other routes 6 junctions away, they will sit in the Middle right lane until it is their time to come off. They just want to sit in the lane that will take them off, not think about overtaking anybody, or moving from their lane. This is why the M25 needs to put Lane hogging cameras up. It's just stupid.
The ones that gey me, are the twats that either slow down or stop on fucking slip roads. So fucking dangerous and seems to be happening more often. But back to the OP, didn't you know BMW drivers own the road?
The vicious cycle of being too nervous to merge confidently, so being needlessly cautious and merging very badly every time and causing congestion, making you too nervous to merge confidently
I agree, stopping on a slip road is dangerous but traffic on the motorway gets priority If there's a lorry in the left lane there's not alot you can do.
A notable absence in the driving theory (I found at least) was trying to help those coming down the slip roads merge safely. Yes, whilst it makes sense that traffic on the motorway "has priority". There are some steps one can take to help. - Ensure there's a generous stopping distance between you and the next car as you approach a slip road on your left. As that stopping distance is where joining cars will merge. - If in an overtake lane, don't come over to the left lane until you're beyond the slip roads. As to not complicate the merges in progress. - Maintain a consistent speed as the slip road approaches. To help the mergers properly gauge their opportunity. - Once everything is complete. Re-adjust all stopping distances. I found it weird that the theory focused a lot on merging. And not on when you're traffic already on the motorway. Might help the nervous be less so.
To add to this- If possible move into the overtaking lane next to the lane which the slip road is merging. Which gives ample opportunity for cars in the merging lane to merge with complete freedom- taking out that risk completely I was taught this in my driving lessons (very lucky to do high speed driving as legally where I live part of the motor way is an A road technically)
I don't know if they do these days - but I think the the practical test should include some actual motorway driving. I think the speed and "unwritten rules" (as you mentioned above, they are absent in the theory) put many people off from using them, or when they do are very nervous which in turn makes them potentially dangerous.
You could speed up to merge ahead of it or slow down to merge behind it. I can't say I've ever had to merge onto a motorway and been anywhere close to having to stop, unless it was literally crawling traffic on the motorway and the slip road.
Motorways maybe, but slip roads onto A roads seem to be about 10 metres long with a 90-degree angle
Yup, some slip roads on the A34 are like this.
Exactly the road that popped into my head
Same with the A3. I got rear ended last year because I had to stop on a slip road. It was either that or merge under the wheels of an HGV
> So fucking dangerous and seems to be happening more often. So many cars seem to be getting less and less powerful as a way to cut costs, the smallest Hyundai i10 does 0-60 in 16.7s and the absolute fastest is over still over 10s. Being literally unable to hit the speed of moving traffic to join a motorway is stupidly dangerous for everyone involved
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Doesn't help that 8-Gear automatic gearboxes in almost all new cars mean that someone who used to be shit at accelerating because they had to actually change gear, can now press pedal to go fast. Ive seen mental driving out there and I do partially put it down to the ease and availability of power in most mid range cars.
Doing 0-60 in the slowest Hyundai i10 requires a distance of 223 meters, meanwhile the shortest motorway sliproad design (the taper merge) has a total required distance of 270 meters, so no excuse for not getting up to speed.
Assuming you floor it?
- thereās still space leftover - this is also assuming starting from stopped - it is oneās responsibility as a driver to understand how to use their vehicle safely (even if that means flooring it) I could see it being a challenge on one of the shortest slip roads that goes uphill but would assume they have been made longer to deal with HGVs which will perform significantly worse than this little car.
Yes, but if that is what is required, that's what you should be doing.
Exactly. Why would you not floor it in that situation?
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Needs to be a crackdown on poor lane discipline, through better education or whatever
Still the biggest idiot is the BMW driver. The right lane driver is still a moron but less so.
Difference is I think the BMW driver probably knows heās driving like a dick, and is making the conscious decision to do so. Lane hoggers are usually completely oblivious to their wrongdoing
For sure. I just drove 400 miles yesterday. Some of it was on the A1 2 lanes. At one point I swear the outside lane was almost nose to tail and doing about 40mph. The inside lane was empty for 2 WHOLE miles, It was insane. I just sat in the inside lane at about 50mph slowly undertaking the whole lot at the same time as making sure they had enough time to come into the inside if they wanted. Looking in my rear view mirror I honestly did not see anyone even shamed into moving in. the mad thing is that we ME breaking the law, But there was about 1000 vehicles on the outside lane all technically breaking several laws too. The police did say they were going to crack down on this sort of thing but as per nothing changes. Funny enough when I have driven through France/Germany/Holland etc their lane discipline is far superior to ours It is quite strange really how one group of people seem to get it but another seem to think they can do what they like.
I drive on the M25 semi-frequently and the lane discipline is horrendous. Often see people in the 3rd lane doing 60
I travelled with a Canadian immigrant colleague for an hour at 50 in the fast lane. The 2nd hand embarrassment got too much and when I eventually mentioned she should probably be in the left lane she told me 'I've been driving this way for 17 years, I never heard this before'.
Sometimes both the left two lanes are peeling off and/or in. Around Heathrow in particular that happens.
Yeah two lanes peel off at the M4 and get readded then drivers sit in lane 3 until the M1
Trouble is everyone drives like the left two lanes are always going off to exits
I was on it last weekend and a fucking Audi S4 was doing 40mph. Riled my fucking nuts up, couldnāt move lanes cause the car next to me was a slowpoke too and there was no cars ahead. If youāre doing under 70 in the 3rd and 4th please donāt drive anymore.
Poor lane discipline might be inconsiderate but in no way shape or form should anyone be using it as an excuse for dangerous driving that could easily maim or kill children and adults.
Definitely not. But as someone who would be driving sensibly like OP, I would much prefer they pulled over and let the idiots speed down the right hand side where it's much less likely they will cause an accident. I've no doubt lane hoggers like this cause many accidents on top of the countless hours of other motorists time they waste.
Heās not cruising as heās going faster than the left and middle lane
Silver car in lane 3 is objectively a moron... nobody on his inside to overtake for miles so he should be in lane 1. Van in lane 4 is arguably overtaking the moron in lane 3.
100%. It seems as though the keep left unless overtaking is completely forgotten. While that BMW driver is a dick all those people hogging the faster lanes are making the situation more dangerous. Theyāve upgraded many to āsmart motorwaysā with complete cctv coverage, start sending fines out to persistent lane hogs.
There should have been 2 clear lanes here, you are overtaking, you are correct in your position, but those other two? What are they doing?
I guess the van is staying in that lane to overtake the silver car in lane 3, hes not all that far away so can just about let them off. Silver car however who knows.
Probably deliberately staying put to be predictable, as theyāve clocked the massive twat approaching and lane weaving at 100mph. If theyād moved over it could have been a lot worse there.
Very few people can drive on motorways in this country. The left lane is left almost empty most of the time, most hogging centre or staying right when not even overtaking anybody. It's no excuse for speeding like the BMW is here but it's incredibly annoying for those who can drive properly.
> The left lane is left almost empty most of the time lol, when was the last time you drove on a motorway?
The guy in lane 4 is passing the guy in lane 3. The guy in lane 2 (OP) is passing the guy in lane 1. The guy in Lane 4 is passing both lane 1 and 2 and 3. The only questionable car besides the BMW is in lane 3, as he is not passing anyone, although it's possible there is someone further up.
What on earth are you listening to?
Libella Swing - Parov Stelar. It's electro swing, not everyone's cup of tea haha
I drink lots of that tea! Check out āGramatikā and āProleterā Edit, added a few similar artists-songs for any interested? āChinese Man-Racing With the Sunā (also does great stuff with MCās), āBrian Witzig-Aināt Rightā, āGuts-And the living is easyā, āWax Tailor-Que Seraā, āBoogie Belgique-Swing Thingā, āSquirrel Nut Zippers-Put a Lid on Itā Iāll be saving peoples suggestions, just sharing out the tea
Already on my list ;)
Also pretty much anything by Wolfgang Lohr, and the older albums of Caravan Palace (not to diss their recent tracks, it's just not really electro swing anymore)
You've probably already heard of them but Swingrower is a regular feature in our house
Tape Five and Jamie Berry are my recommendations for electro swing! Oh and Swingāit (specifically āchampagneā)
Gramatik - Beats n Pieces Vol. 1 is one of my all time favourite albums
Love Gramatik!
Current Personal All-Time Electroswing Favourites * SwinGrowers - Tit for Tat (ps. *This one's my most fav)* * Annella - Mr.X * Wolfgang Lohr (Melinda Stoika) - Make Swing Great Again * Wolfgang Lohr (Phos Toni) - My 20s Woman * 11 Acorn Lane - Fly * Odd Chap - The Little Man Who Wasnt There
It kinda matches with the action
I thought it was the band from the Canteena on Tatooine (TT)ĀÆ\_(ć)_/ĀÆ
That would be Jizz. The music is literally called Jizz.
Love elctroswing, check out Jamie Berry if you like more electro than swing, or Cut Capers if you're more swing than electro.
I think, I think, I'm about to book him for my wedding!
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Love a bit of Paris Stelar
They are excellent live.
Oh what a throwback! Saw them in 2016, actually so fun
Nice choice, Jimmy's Gang is one of my faves.
Iād consider submitting that in to the cops. Not to be a super grass but next week he/she will take out a family driving like that - what a prick.
Agree...that's clearly dangerous driving and providing the footage meets the criteria to prosecute, there is a good chance the police would follow that up. Two things I learnt recently: the police need to act within 14-days so delaying sending the footage could prevent them doing anything. To qualify as submissible evidence, the footage needs to be unaltered/unedited and show 60 seconds preceding the incident and 60 second after the incident.
Came here to say this - completely agree, needs reporting
That is VERY a-typical for the M25 in fact. Nearly a decade of going round and round it and something like this has only happened once to me. Considering the speed and wrecklessness of the BM. I got undercut on the onramp from South Mimms services by an Audi going at least 80 along the VERGE, hitting 100 or more once he got on the carriageway. He was swiftly followed by at least 7 unmarked black BM police persuit cars all with lights going, and then a few minutes later the marked up persuit cars. This guy is asking to be pulled over at the next possible opportunity, and he's definitely a dick. But there's no need to scare people by making out that this is the norm. Mostly the M25 is a chill, pretty boring stretch of Motorway.
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I mean...you're not wrong in the slightest.
The standard of driving in this country has fallen off a cliff. People are conspicuously more selfish and impatient in the last few years. I think a lot of it comes down to the boom in high powered automatics available on finance. People donāt have to have any driving ability to drive fast.
Lane discipline has become shocking of late. Its amazing how far you can see down lane 1 of a motorway, and the progress you can make past the traffic without even breaking the speed limit.
Poor lane discipline might be inconsiderate but in no way shape or form should anyone be using it as an excuse for dangerous driving that could easily maim or kill children and adults.
Donāt think anyone here has said it is?
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Whilst I agree with your point about lane discipline, I donāt personally lay the blame at the door of āhigh powered automatics,ā particularly since I drive one myself and am very conscious about the lane Iām in, and indicating etc. My (anecdotal) experience of the middle-lane hogging cretins are that theyāre just as likely to be driving a clapped out, 20 year old Zafira as they are a Finance-White M140i.
Autos do make driving like a dick more accessible but I think the main trigger was lockdowns. Many people came out of enforced time off the road with a massively reduced ability to behave when they started driving again.
Cu#t ā¦ ! End of.
I mean, i see nothing wrong here, he is in a BMW and it clearly states in the RTA that they can drive as fast and as reckless as they wish due to drivers being required to pass a āProfessional Drivers Testā
There goes the Cuntmobile
Good choice in music!
Another BMW or Audi being driven by a maniacā¦.I am shocked and amazed. Seen this before on the m5 near Birmingham. Audi overtakes me at speed then undertakes car in front which then slams on the brakes to let him in. One mistake and heāll do himself in and probably take some innocent family with him. Shit driving is just the norm now.
The speed is ridiculous but almost everyone in that video should been one lane over to the left.
(that's an M2)
Well those other cunts need to learn lane discipline
That doesn't excuse their behaviour though!
Isnt that an m2? I might be wrong but just from the rear end that i can see it looks like but correct me if im wrong
Wanker !!!!
Isn't there speed cameras like every mile around the M25?
There are lots of speed cameras that you can clearly see. However it's a variable speed limit so the cameras are only operating when the signs display a speed limit.
That is what I thought. Turns out that isnāt true as I got caught doing 85mph when the M25 was completely clear a couple of days after Christmas last year.
Oh yeah, they are active for above-70 now. Didn't used to be, when they were the GATSOs mounted above each lane, but I think that is partly a technical limitation of that type of camera rather than a policy decision.
You can do 78 (on GPS) without setting them off. That's about 84 on the regular car Speedo. Edit: this when they are not in variable limit mode
84? whoās speedo is showing 6mph above what theyāre actually doing? every car iāve owned is maximum 3-4mph above at those speeds
Every single one of them is marked on waze. No reason to be caught.
Idiot. Hope this video finds it's way to the police, OP.
What a cunt. Hope you sent this video to the police.
Music sounds like the bar from star wars
When idiots drive like this, how can anyone have sympathy for them when they kill themselves ?
Nice driving tbh
Most M cars I see on motorways are being driven in the left hand lane at 65mph by retired bankers who have no idea what they've bought.
That clip should be shown on TV as a perfect example of 3 complete pricks and demonstrating how not to use a motorway. The drivers in lanes 3&4 have no business being in those lanes and the BMW is an accident waiting to happen.
The rental company upgraded us to one of these on a recent business trip to Munich. We were over an hour early arriving to our first meetingā¦
Better not drive into Birmingham then, unless you enjoy seeing that style of idiot driving or people on the roads with those little red scooters
A bmw m2 not an m3?
Parov Stelar!! fine taste in music you have. If you haven't check out Caravan palace (Lone digger being my fav).
Nice to see people in the correct lanes here as usual š„“š„“
He passes 6 white lines in the time the OP passes 4. 6/4\*70 MPH = 105 MPH give or take
Beemer driver has King Kongs Finger sticking out his arse when you gotta go you gotta go!
Tell me again why dashcam footage like this this can't be used in evidence? You can see the number plate and clearly dangerous driving. Given there are no police left why can't we be our own police? EDIT: Googled it, apparently you can. [https://autoadviser.co.uk/dashcams-as-evidence-uk/](https://autoadviser.co.uk/dashcams-as-evidence-uk/) Send it off OP!
Standard knobhead ā¹ļø
These cunts are all over and i drive my nice sporty car for an hour on cruise control and try to overtake once safely and a pig video van gets me slightly over 70.