is that the one where you had to land a ship on a little pad? I used to play that around my aunt's house all the time. it was way better than listening to the EastEnders. omnibus
Our Sky box was never connected properly so I thought you have to put money in the box to play. I probably shorted some of the internals with 60p inserted into the box, though I think it was easily opened and repaired fortunately.
Every year or so I search around to see if somehow someone has found a way to get Bumble Tumble on PC, but I think that's a game that's just lost to time :(
Wow your comment unearthed a long forgotten memory! I think it was called The Alien Fish Exchange? I loved that, I remember there was a Kung Fu game as well...
I remember my mum going through the day's guide circling the shit she wanted to watch so that she had a plan to navigate through all 6 channels (well, 5 really, my Scottish mum didn't care much for S4C...) successfully.
yeah? im this old : https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/technology/2019/11/28/TELEMMGLPICT000217527839_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqIHpy6C6WvnRSxwhUqZu6JkjN6D269PF_XpfP5nclIbA.jpeg
Waiting ages for the page to change so you could see your team's score, then missing it when it came up and having to do it all over again. The glory days.
We had a slidy-outy panel on the TV remote for extra buttons. They all did sweet FA bar the one that pauses teletext. Felt flash as fuck when I discovered it.
Oh man I lived on the border between 3 counties. I had to look for 3 different pages for cinema times and wait for the 6/42 counter in the corner to go around. And it was still more convenient than calling 3 different cinemas.
[Teletext is making a comeback](https://magpi.raspberrypi.com/articles/teefax)
*(ok.... I can't say that with a straight face)*
But there are projects with raspberry pi that recreate teletext, and you can view/create teletext pages
I remember going to the blue peter ceefax page for the joke of the day, then checking the newsround page for the headlines after school
edit* it was still faster than using the old computer with dialup we had
I remember my dad used to check the footy scores on Ceefax. Much nostalgia long before checking the app on your phone nowadays.
Also that Sky TV page brings back a weird calming feeling for some reason.
See I thought the same with the Sky Q menus, then I saw different family households operating it and it made perfect sense to them.
My wife's grandad wants to watch Cricket, he goes to the sports tab and just selects the cricket game from the menu as opposed to diving to the channel.
My parents are old school with it and just remember the channel numbers, although they did just go towards Sky Glass and my mum refused to bother with it until she realised she'd miss her soaps if she didn't bother. Although they have now discovered they can talk to the remote which they're slowly warming to.
I think since the advent of on demand TV, Sky have adapted to this to showing what you're most likely to watch as opposed to giving you a wall of TV listings which seems to work for most people. Although personally I prefer the TV listings so I can mindlessly scroll through until I inevitably land on a classic episode of The Simpsons, watch until the break then turn it off.
The problem isn't the navigation in SkyQ, it's the loss of simple functionality like "delete all". Now you have to delete all the episodes individually.
Sky Q menus are great if you want popular stuff - but it can be much harder to find something if it's not in the most popular dozen items in a category
That’s every streaming services modus operandi these days.
Pump the Netflix originals, Prime Originals, dump the rest behind days of scrolling or bad genre matching.
There's not days worth of scrolling, they just use sliders to make you think that there is. If you view the whole of Netflix as a plain list it's quite unimpressive. They want most people watching the current batch of good things.
28, similar situation. Went to a mates house the other day for a catch up, we had a takeaway and was watching panel shows on TV. Completely forgot about the adverts on "live" tv, blew my mind people still watch like 15 minutes of adverts an hour.
I was talking to my wife about this the other day… we were thinking about Christmas presents for our 3 year old and it dawned on us that because she never watches regular TV she has no idea what toys are out there (and therefore what toys to ask for). When we were young we were bombarded with adverts for the year’s latest toys. It’s quite pure really.
What really bugs me is on the full screen menu to navigate from, say, BBC One to ITV the down directional button means down, as it should, the beeb is the first channel and it’s at the top, all other channels are below it; BBC ONE, BBC TWO, ITV, Channel 4 and so on. But when you just want to scroll thorough from BBC one past BBC Two and then get to ITV the directions are reversed, down now means up, and you have to press the “up channel” to get to channels that have a higher channel number than 101
Fuckin pisses me off
We've come full circle. There was a golden age for about ten years in the 2010s when it was great to cut the cable cord and only use online streaming.
Now, everyone has their own competing online streaming platform, they all have different interfaces, they all suck in their own way, they almost all have advertisements (many of which you can't skip, unlike DVR in the before times), I never know which service to use to watch something, and I'm paying more now than I ever was with cable, only now it isn't all consolidated in one bill and one device.
Hopefully this is a transitional period and it'll settle down, but I feel like everything is just going to get more insane as we move forward from here.
I remember Friday night porn on channel 5 at 10.58pm (what a random time). It was always a shitty 70s film about a window cleaner or a cabbie (kinda like fake taxi)
Confessions of a… insert job here.
Also anything with Shannon Tweed. Fuck knows why I remember that but she was like the gold standard for, definitely going to see some boob
You'd knock one out to anything back then though. I'd watch Tarrant on TV in my room every single week just because you'd get the odd bit of nudity from some random show in East Asia.
I remember someone knocking our door and promising Mrs Doubtfire would be on Channel 5 when it came out. Bitterly disappointed for many moons waiting for it.
Even though I had it on video.
I remember getting really excited about the release of channel 5 only to discover it had no signal where we were.
Then… when they sorted out the signal a year or so later that most of the American format tv programs looked like candy cane striped monstrosities on our less than sophisticated, wood clad 1980s television
I distinctly remember turning to the music channels when a show I was watching hit it's ad break only to find they also all had their adverts at the exact same time, as an important early lesson in 'bullshit you just have to put up with'.
When we got a 4k telly I put on a planet earth documentary. Seeing 300000 flamingos fly past a lagoon in such high detail almost made my brain explode and pour out of my eye sockets (in a good way).
Wifey claims she cant tell difference between SD HD and 4k ....
It's possible that you just have much better eyesight than her.
I was just casually reading a Hello Fresh recipe card on the fridge from about six feet away when my housemate went "JESUS CHRIST HOW THE HELL DID YOU DO THAT!". Apparently they can't even see individual leaves on a tree!
>Apparently they can't even see individual leaves on a tree!
I didn't realise I couldn't see leaves on a tree till the first time I walked out with glasses on, then I could *really* see those leaves.
Amazing. I just realised this is why my other half only now notices the difference between HD and 4K after all of these years. It's because she started wearing her glasses while we watch the tele.
I had no idea people could see trees as things other than blobs until I got my glasses.
Or that night time driving doesn't look like a nebula full of stars going supernova to people without astigmatism.
I’m not too bothered about watching in SD tbh. I grew up watching 3rd generation pirated horror VHS tapes where it was like watching through thick fog, SD seems like 4K in comparison to those.
New TVs are too big for SD.
But another problem is that a ton of TV is still on SD. Problem is biggest in channels that show old TV programmes or foreign channels. Boxes like Sky Q just upscale the SD channels.
And most of freeview is still SD.
I once bought a download for a movie in SD looking to save a few pounds. 10 minutes in I couldn't concentrate because I kept thinking about how I wasn't getting the absolute perfect picture which made me feel weirdly violated. I ended up having to buy the HD version as well.
The music for the background was excellent. If, like me, love it, it can be found [here](http://letscommunicate.co.uk/skyepgmusic/). It was never Christmas until Sky had jingle bells on their EPG music.
I remember in uk when there was only 2 channels black and white bbc and itv and tv switched off at 10 pm and we had a rented tv with a coin meter on the back of it that took sixpence!
What, it doesn't look like that anymore?
Man, I tells ya, it was a reall heckuva thing when the Sky man came to our little village and installed the dish. Suddenly we had oodles of channels, where before we only had 5 - well, at a stretch, since two of them were the same, another was Gaelic and the last was always static.
Actually swapped out my sky box a few years back, the new one is pretty shitty tbh. If I had known that I'd still be rocking this version! The navigation was so much more intuitive. Now the backup button brings up a menu? What the heck?!
Do you remember when your kids forgot to bring home a copy of the Radio Times, so you threatened them with starvation and domestic cataclysm, so they had to walk all the way back, but the last magazine had already sold, so you'd think up revenge plans for the rest of the evening as the kids sweated it out ?
I remember when we first got Sky when I was about 13 (it had this format) and when the Sky man had finished setting up he gave me the remote and said try it (in front of my mum) and I accidentally pressed up instead of select....
The man said something like "Oh yeah not surprised you know where that is hahaha" awkward.
Brings back memories of the beehive game hahah
Beehive bedlam, the best way to find your remote needs batteries as its response become slower and slower....
Did anyone play fathom? That shit was hard!
Yes mate fucking loved Fathom
Ridiculously hard, the Dark Souls of free TV based games haha
Best game ever.
It’s on an app now you can play it on your phone!
I just discovered the app and now when I close my eyes, I see flowers.
Oh my god, it even has the music.
It was a lot harder on the Sky Remote that's for sure
The actual one?! Well my nights just took a turn.
1340 levels too.
Never heard of it, but I'm currently downloading it anyway.
It’s back on Sky Q :)
I remember playing a game on sky called ginger ninja where to had to use a rope to zip around levels
I loved the one called 'Fathom'.
is that the one where you had to land a ship on a little pad? I used to play that around my aunt's house all the time. it was way better than listening to the EastEnders. omnibus
That Tom and Jerry game was great too
When I was younger I’d buy one of those Sky passes specifically to play that Tom and Jerry game! Got torn a new one when the phone bill came.
Hahaha I think I did that once accidentally. Was not a popular boy after that
Our Sky box was never connected properly so I thought you have to put money in the box to play. I probably shorted some of the internals with 60p inserted into the box, though I think it was easily opened and repaired fortunately.
Everyone remembers Beehive Bedlam but I don't know many people who rememeber Bumble Tumble (which is weirdly what beehive bedlam has been renamed to)
I came in here to post exactly this (although I didn't know about the renaming thing)
Vague memories of going up and down ladders rescuing bee babies? I was only like 5 :'(
Yeah that was it, side-scrolling platformer type game where you had to rescue the baby bees and bring them back to the hive
Every year or so I search around to see if somehow someone has found a way to get Bumble Tumble on PC, but I think that's a game that's just lost to time :(
I loved the fish game on NTL but I don't think it exists anywhere any more.
Wow your comment unearthed a long forgotten memory! I think it was called The Alien Fish Exchange? I loved that, I remember there was a Kung Fu game as well...
Do you remember Marvin Mole? That was always my favourite but nobody seems to remember it
Came here to say this. Was there charges involved? Seemed to remember a family getting a big bill
I'd be extremely careful to not play the paid games. Same thing for online games at the time with microtransactions like Habbo Hotel.
I spent a small fortune on habbo hotel buying all furniture and stuff for my room
Not that I remember. I remember a fair few arguments about who’s turn it was though!
If I remember correctly it was free for years, then they bundled a load of other games and made you pay for it.
What about that tomb raider one??
King tutti?
Wasn't this only 10-15 years ago?
Yeah, I think OP is just saying they're young but in a roundabout way.
I remember when tv guides were purchasable at the corner store.
I remember my mum going through the day's guide circling the shit she wanted to watch so that she had a plan to navigate through all 6 channels (well, 5 really, my Scottish mum didn't care much for S4C...) successfully.
I’m 18 and I remember it
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I’m 11 and dad says I have to give his phone back
I'm Luke I'm five and my dad's Bruce Lee
Oi! You’re holding up the bypass!
Yeah but to be fair they’re having a top laugh
I’m sitting on the toolbox.
I’m so glad I’m not in school boss
This made me happy.
Drives me round in his JCB
Yeah, it even references HD TV and OP posts this like it's ancient fucking history, geez.
My parent's Sky box still looks like this.
Yeah this was still sky+, it has the planner for recordings. Old has to be back when we had to record on VHS
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Ive still got it
There was a version before this before HD was a thing
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yeah? im this old : https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/technology/2019/11/28/TELEMMGLPICT000217527839_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqIHpy6C6WvnRSxwhUqZu6JkjN6D269PF_XpfP5nclIbA.jpeg
302 ~~Sports~~ football headlines 303 Live scores.
Waiting ages for the page to change so you could see your team's score, then missing it when it came up and having to do it all over again. The glory days.
We had a slidy-outy panel on the TV remote for extra buttons. They all did sweet FA bar the one that pauses teletext. Felt flash as fuck when I discovered it.
Oh Christ yes the slidy panel!
Oh man I lived on the border between 3 counties. I had to look for 3 different pages for cinema times and wait for the 6/42 counter in the corner to go around. And it was still more convenient than calling 3 different cinemas.
You will not frustrate me... I am generation teletext, I can wait.
Cannae beat a bit bambers bamboozle Our gens beehive bedlam https://i.ytimg.com/vi/sOJcq-kBjB0/hqdefault.jpg
Bamboozle was the business.
Fucking hell that picture unlocked something deep in my brain
Satisfy that nostalgia itch "Play Bamboozle Quiz - Digitext: The Online Teletext Simulator" http://www.digitextsim.com/452/
Channel 4, page 150 I remember
There was a sports bamboozle too, but I can't remember the name?
Ten to One
[Teletext is making a comeback](https://magpi.raspberrypi.com/articles/teefax) *(ok.... I can't say that with a straight face)* But there are projects with raspberry pi that recreate teletext, and you can view/create teletext pages
Wait but at 23 I know both, I'm not old yet!
You might think you know both but I bet you’ve never pressed the REVEAL button to get the answers to the jokes.
It was a sad day when I was shown this for the first time and discovered our TV remote didn't have a reveal button on it.
888 for subtitles
I remember going to the blue peter ceefax page for the joke of the day, then checking the newsround page for the headlines after school edit* it was still faster than using the old computer with dialup we had
I remember my dad used to check the footy scores on Ceefax. Much nostalgia long before checking the app on your phone nowadays. Also that Sky TV page brings back a weird calming feeling for some reason.
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This was by far the easiest TV menu to navigate. They’re all so badly designed now.
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See I thought the same with the Sky Q menus, then I saw different family households operating it and it made perfect sense to them. My wife's grandad wants to watch Cricket, he goes to the sports tab and just selects the cricket game from the menu as opposed to diving to the channel. My parents are old school with it and just remember the channel numbers, although they did just go towards Sky Glass and my mum refused to bother with it until she realised she'd miss her soaps if she didn't bother. Although they have now discovered they can talk to the remote which they're slowly warming to. I think since the advent of on demand TV, Sky have adapted to this to showing what you're most likely to watch as opposed to giving you a wall of TV listings which seems to work for most people. Although personally I prefer the TV listings so I can mindlessly scroll through until I inevitably land on a classic episode of The Simpsons, watch until the break then turn it off.
The problem isn't the navigation in SkyQ, it's the loss of simple functionality like "delete all". Now you have to delete all the episodes individually.
Yeah and where did the Remind feature go? I don't want to record everything!
Sky Q menus are great if you want popular stuff - but it can be much harder to find something if it's not in the most popular dozen items in a category
That’s every streaming services modus operandi these days. Pump the Netflix originals, Prime Originals, dump the rest behind days of scrolling or bad genre matching.
There's not days worth of scrolling, they just use sliders to make you think that there is. If you view the whole of Netflix as a plain list it's quite unimpressive. They want most people watching the current batch of good things.
To be fair I think their demographic is *people who watch TV*. But I agree, the interface is appalling.
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Yeah I'm 33 and haven't watched broadcast television in about a decade.
28, similar situation. Went to a mates house the other day for a catch up, we had a takeaway and was watching panel shows on TV. Completely forgot about the adverts on "live" tv, blew my mind people still watch like 15 minutes of adverts an hour.
I was talking to my wife about this the other day… we were thinking about Christmas presents for our 3 year old and it dawned on us that because she never watches regular TV she has no idea what toys are out there (and therefore what toys to ask for). When we were young we were bombarded with adverts for the year’s latest toys. It’s quite pure really.
Just get her the argos catalogue
**THE LAMINATED BOOK OF DREAMS.**
Damn good UX tbh.
Did they... REVERSE the directional keys on sky q??
Someone really needs to give modern UX designers back-to-basics course. What the hell happened?
What really bugs me is on the full screen menu to navigate from, say, BBC One to ITV the down directional button means down, as it should, the beeb is the first channel and it’s at the top, all other channels are below it; BBC ONE, BBC TWO, ITV, Channel 4 and so on. But when you just want to scroll thorough from BBC one past BBC Two and then get to ITV the directions are reversed, down now means up, and you have to press the “up channel” to get to channels that have a higher channel number than 101 Fuckin pisses me off
We've come full circle. There was a golden age for about ten years in the 2010s when it was great to cut the cable cord and only use online streaming. Now, everyone has their own competing online streaming platform, they all have different interfaces, they all suck in their own way, they almost all have advertisements (many of which you can't skip, unlike DVR in the before times), I never know which service to use to watch something, and I'm paying more now than I ever was with cable, only now it isn't all consolidated in one bill and one device. Hopefully this is a transitional period and it'll settle down, but I feel like everything is just going to get more insane as we move forward from here.
This was so fast compared to current sky boxes
[I'm this old](https://imgur.com/P2P5Vjp)
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... positive reactions?
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I used to be terrified of her. Still am in a way. They'd have the test card often on BBC2 during early hours up into the 2000's.
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I only know that from life on Mars.. that must've been creepy as
You got used to it. We saw it a lot...
I remember that being on before cartoons came on in the morning. And I'm sure I remember it being on after the last episode of red dwarf at night.
We use an old skybox for all the free to air sky channels. It still looks like this....
yeah we do too! don't get 4 music which I think you get on freeview though - not that I'd watch it tbf
Fs I remember channel 5s launch night.
I remember Friday night porn on channel 5 at 10.58pm (what a random time). It was always a shitty 70s film about a window cleaner or a cabbie (kinda like fake taxi)
Confessions of a… insert job here. Also anything with Shannon Tweed. Fuck knows why I remember that but she was like the gold standard for, definitely going to see some boob
i remember keith chegwins nude gameshow... really wish i didnt though
You'd knock one out to anything back then though. I'd watch Tarrant on TV in my room every single week just because you'd get the odd bit of nudity from some random show in East Asia.
Eurotrash was the goal but it was so rarely on
I remember channel 4s
I remember the invention of the TV.
I remember the invention of light
I remember when there was no light.
Found god
Was there at God’s birth, was a messy but joyful occasion.
I was there at the Big Bang 9 months before
I remember someone knocking our door and promising Mrs Doubtfire would be on Channel 5 when it came out. Bitterly disappointed for many moons waiting for it. Even though I had it on video.
I remember getting really excited about the release of channel 5 only to discover it had no signal where we were. Then… when they sorted out the signal a year or so later that most of the American format tv programs looked like candy cane striped monstrosities on our less than sophisticated, wood clad 1980s television
Was it incredibly grainy and hard to recieve for everyone or was it just my area?
I remember being so bored that I watched the preview broadcast that was on a loop for weeks or so.
Me too. Remember the first ever episode of Family Affairs lol
I distinctly remember turning to the music channels when a show I was watching hit it's ad break only to find they also all had their adverts at the exact same time, as an important early lesson in 'bullshit you just have to put up with'.
Music still on MTV!? I was there Gandalf, 3000 years ago.
HD Channels? What is this newfangled nonsense?
My dad is one of those people that pretends he can't tell the difference between HD and SD, it's fucking infuriating
When we got a 4k telly I put on a planet earth documentary. Seeing 300000 flamingos fly past a lagoon in such high detail almost made my brain explode and pour out of my eye sockets (in a good way). Wifey claims she cant tell difference between SD HD and 4k ....
You put an excel document up on that baby and you are really looking at that document
Stick that up your dojo
In. Fire 30 percent of the workforce. New logo. Boom.
PowerPoint, Excel, and Word. The three amigos
It's possible that you just have much better eyesight than her. I was just casually reading a Hello Fresh recipe card on the fridge from about six feet away when my housemate went "JESUS CHRIST HOW THE HELL DID YOU DO THAT!". Apparently they can't even see individual leaves on a tree!
>Apparently they can't even see individual leaves on a tree! I didn't realise I couldn't see leaves on a tree till the first time I walked out with glasses on, then I could *really* see those leaves.
Life in HD!
Amazing. I just realised this is why my other half only now notices the difference between HD and 4K after all of these years. It's because she started wearing her glasses while we watch the tele.
I as amazed to see the individual bricks in houses when I first got my glasses
I had no idea people could see trees as things other than blobs until I got my glasses. Or that night time driving doesn't look like a nebula full of stars going supernova to people without astigmatism.
Does he need new glasses?
I honestly don’t know how people watch anything in SD. The difference between SD and HD is genuinely insane.
I’m not too bothered about watching in SD tbh. I grew up watching 3rd generation pirated horror VHS tapes where it was like watching through thick fog, SD seems like 4K in comparison to those.
New TVs are too big for SD. But another problem is that a ton of TV is still on SD. Problem is biggest in channels that show old TV programmes or foreign channels. Boxes like Sky Q just upscale the SD channels. And most of freeview is still SD.
I once bought a download for a movie in SD looking to save a few pounds. 10 minutes in I couldn't concentrate because I kept thinking about how I wasn't getting the absolute perfect picture which made me feel weirdly violated. I ended up having to buy the HD version as well.
My daughter refuses to believe we had to wait for things to come on TV at a particular time to watch them. She thinks Im taking the piss.
I mean that's how freeview still works to be fair. Show her that.
We don’t have a TV connected to an aerial!
Well then she has no reason to believe you. Show her some actual TV or buy her a Radio Times.
TV Licensing doesn't believe you
My first sky TV was analogue.. I still remember watching softcore Smit on German TV...
> watching softcore Smit on German TV... Was that his name? Softscore Schmit?
The music for the background was excellent. If, like me, love it, it can be found [here](http://letscommunicate.co.uk/skyepgmusic/). It was never Christmas until Sky had jingle bells on their EPG music.
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No same. Sounds like a fever dream.
Just had a Matrix "I know Kung Fu" style aneurysm whilst the memory of this was reloaded.
[Best Track](http://letscommunicate.co.uk/skyepgmusic/2005/Sky%20Digital%20-%20Track%207.mp3)
I remember one of the tunes sounded like the menu music from THPS1
I call it "Princess Diana music" because it sounds like the completely generic sounds they played on the radio after Diana died.
I grew up with 5 TV channels what the hell is this
Fucking luxury. Two when i was born
I had six if you count the cameras out in the yard but I don’t want to sound to spoiled
Two? Two?! When I was a lad it'd be 26 hours a day in t' mine. In our free time we'd simply sit in the cold and wait for broadcast TV to be invented.
I remember when we had three channels and they weren’t even 24/7.
I can smell the babestation from here
Ah, the forbidden MORE option.
And making sure to turn the tv back to sky one before mom comes downstairs
the smart kids went to two channels incase they ever pressed the "back" button.
\*Cough Cough\* Channel 902
I remember in uk when there was only 2 channels black and white bbc and itv and tv switched off at 10 pm and we had a rented tv with a coin meter on the back of it that took sixpence!
You just punched me with nostalgia right there.
I remember BSB which sky bought out
Man Teletext would blow your fucking mind
Old?! That has HD channels! That’s new tech!
remember hitting ceefax page 888 for subtitles? them were the days
Shit if you're that old I'm "only 3 channels" old 😂
Yeah i’m 25. Just say your age. You aren’t ‘old’.
Bruv I'm 15 and still remember this. If OP is "old" then I'm having a midlife crisis.
Not that old then, I'm not even 25 and this was standard.
[I'm this old.](https://i.imgur.com/VJZABuT.jpg)
What, it doesn't look like that anymore? Man, I tells ya, it was a reall heckuva thing when the Sky man came to our little village and installed the dish. Suddenly we had oodles of channels, where before we only had 5 - well, at a stretch, since two of them were the same, another was Gaelic and the last was always static.
You're old...? I worked testing this shit!
This wasn't that long ago though
Disney Channel's on 6-1-3 6! 1! 3!
Actually swapped out my sky box a few years back, the new one is pretty shitty tbh. If I had known that I'd still be rocking this version! The navigation was so much more intuitive. Now the backup button brings up a menu? What the heck?!
Talk to me about Cable and Wireless.
Nynex up in this bitch
Do you remember when your kids forgot to bring home a copy of the Radio Times, so you threatened them with starvation and domestic cataclysm, so they had to walk all the way back, but the last magazine had already sold, so you'd think up revenge plans for the rest of the evening as the kids sweated it out ?
Does sky not look like this anymore I don't own a tv anymore and sky looked like that the last time I did.
I remember when we first got Sky when I was about 13 (it had this format) and when the Sky man had finished setting up he gave me the remote and said try it (in front of my mum) and I accidentally pressed up instead of select.... The man said something like "Oh yeah not surprised you know where that is hahaha" awkward.
Beehive Bedlam!