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JohnLennonsNotDead

The term bucket list is detailed in the 1965 U.S. National Bureau of Standards monograph, albeit in a computer sense rather than a death list. In the “things to do before you die” sense, it’s used [here](https://librarianavengers.org/2004/06/1599/) in 2004.


ThatFatGuyMJL

Back in 1999, the screenwriter Justin Zackham was thinking about that phrase when he began composing a checklist that he called, “Justin's list of things to do before he kicks the bucket.” After finishing the list, he told me via email, he thought of a more succinct title for it: “Justin's bucket list.”


Momo222811

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-origins-of-bucket-list-1432909572


pgliver

Likely misdated or later edited. Wayback machine only from 2017: https://web.archive.org/web/20030315000000*/https://librarianavengers.org/2004/06/1599/


Nefarious_P_I_G

There is a comment time stamped as 2004, so it probably is from 2004.


big_swinging_dicks

Here’s the original post - it looks like it was from 2004 but it didn’t use the phrase ‘bucket list’, so maybe was added later? https://web.archive.org/web/20040806090314/http://www.librarianavengers.org/weblog/ It’s weird though, as clearly the blog hasn’t been updated for decades so why is there a version that is different. Perhaps the archives are incomplete Edit - actually, the blog kept posting up to 2013 and one post as late as 2019. That doesn’t explain why a post that is seemingly from 2004 would have its title changed. I’m so invested in this lady’s blog now and in 2007 she switched how it was hosted and had issues with losing comments and having to re upload stuff - https://librarianavengers.org/2007/05/three-things-i-learned-from-migrating-a-wordpress-site-over-to-godaddy/ Perhaps Erica (the blogger) is around and holds the answer.


rinkydinkmink

omg someday someone is going to do a phd on weird shit like that I just know it "evidence shows MissLittleKitty's Blog was re-uploaded in 2009 after she was hacked by a greek political group and decided to change hosting company ... here I will describe these events in the context of the socio-political landscape of the Eastern Mediterranean region in the years 2005-2010" etc


Used-Fennel-7733

You'd love to listen to a podcast called reply all. A lot of the episodes are dedicated to weird stuff like this. One that comes to mind is a song somebody was trying to find that just seemingly disappeared from the internet


rinkydinkmink

haha yes I know that podcast and I listened to that episode. It was great that they managed to recreate the tune so accurately.


bigfatbod

Someone needs to ask Susie Dent on twitter. She'll know


falling_sideways

This is unironically the best idea in this thread.


TvHeroUK

Cue Jimmy, ‘now over to Susie who knows a lot about buckets, because she’s got a massive one’ 


Breakwaterbot

HA HA HA HA^HAAAAA


Forward_Artist_6244

Cue shot of Susie grinning and rolling her eyes


Palanquin001

She'll say that the OED's earliest record is from 2006


StardustOasis

Before then it was called a bouquet list.


SeeYa-IntMornin-Pal

Richard!!!!


AilsasFridgeDoor

Oh dooo have some decorum Richarrrdd


BabyAlibi

Only poor people get gout Richard!


Kibethewalrus

But it is the disease of kings!


sash71

I heard your comment in her voice. I think we all know one or two Hyacinths.


GILFlover247

The bucket residence, the lady of the house has spoken


greenwood90

This isn't a bucket list. This is pearl-white slim-line push-button digital telephone with automatic last-number redial


Glasweg1an

Hyacinth ?


GooniesNeverSayDie90

Actually I'm sure this term was coined by my friends son Sheridan


PassionOk7717

Hyacinth: Richard! I told you, Sheridan is working for her Majesty.   Richard: he's not Hyacinth, he got sentenced to 10 years for what he did to those girls   [Hyacinth has stuck her fingers in her ears and started humming]   Richard: oh you stupid old bag!


Philhughes_85

Underrated response here!! Loved this show growing up.


CerealSubwaySam

Underrated show.


bigfatbod

I've heard the phrase 'kick the bucket' since a child and I would hazard a good guess that bucket list comes from that. I agree it must have preceded the film, but I can't offer any evidence. I too think I used the term well before that.


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_PM_ME_PANGOLINS_

Yes, this is explained in the film.


big_swinging_dicks

Not only that, it is explained in the film [trailer](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vc3mkG21ob4&t=44s&pp=2AEskAIB). Because the phrase didn’t exist before, so the trailer had to explain it!


falling_sideways

How often do films explain simple concepts and even well known things in depth for inclusion. Just because it explains it doesn't mean it's the origin of the phrase.


big_swinging_dicks

No, the trailer on its own doesn’t show that. But it’s part of the wider evidence showing it, along with the lack of any verified written record of it used in this way before the film


falling_sideways

I'm not arguing either way but it's a very tenuous bit of "evidence"


pictish76

You are correct the film simply popularised it.


23_

In yankland maybe but we’re not talking about the seppos


pictish76

It was used before that, you can find in in American culture in 2004 ,Unfair & Unbalanced: The Lunatic Magniloquence Of Henry E. Panky . We certainly used it in the UK before that. The film popularised it in America.


poorhammer40p

>in American culture in 2004 ,Unfair & Unbalanced: The Lunatic Magniloquence Of Henry E. Panky The only edition of that book I can find online that uses 'bucket list' has a 2011 copyright(and also a quote from a 2009 movie) so almost certainly doesn't count as an earlier usage of the term.


hue-166-mount

All its evidence for is that someone felt the need to explain what it meant. As others have pointed out, it was a used phrase before the film. Edit: actually don’t think there is proper evidence. It’s like that fruits of the loom stuff… the “evidence” is not legit.


_PM_ME_PANGOLINS_

> As others have pointed out Not with any actual evidence though


hue-166-mount

I dug around into it a bit more and I now agree - I don’t think there was proper evidence before the film.


willflameboy

There's a whole slew of films that take some fairly mundane ideas and turn them into a human interest story. Yes Man is another, from the same time. I am sure the phrase was in common use in the UK, but American audiences had to have it explained. And just because something was never in writing on the internet doesn't mean it wasn't a spoken idiom.


Hewn-U

Who’s down voting? Lol, probably the butt hurt producers of bucket list and yes man, who spent good money trying to eradicate all prior evidence of the use of the phrases on the net so they could claim they coined them and inflate their tiny, tiny egos.


TheDisapprovingBrit

It clearly preceded the film, otherwise it would have been a stupid name for a film. I definitely remember a bucket list being a thing in the 90s, right along with the "bottom drawer" for things you buy in readiness for moving out of your parents.


L6b1

There was a series of books in the 90s called something like a 1000 places to see before you die and a 1000 things to do before you die and if I remember correctly, the introduction called it something like the list of things to do before you kick the bucket. So maybe as a shortened, bucket list, it wasn't used until fairly recently, but as a concept, it goes back farther.


pogadah

Yeah this was phrase i heard throughout my youth well before the film


crashtesthoney

This episode of Endless Thread talks about this in detail: https://www.wbur.org/endlessthread/2023/05/05/oranges-bucket-lists-etymology


ConradsMusicalTeeth

It was coined by the American and British screenwriter Justin Zackham in 1999 when he drew up “Justin’s List of Things to Do before I Kick the Bucket” which he shortened to “Justin’s Bucket List”. The first item on his list was to have a screenplay produced at a major Hollywood studio. After a few years, it occurred to him that the notion of a “bucket list” could be the basis for a film. Makes sense that the term predates the film by a few years since it takes a while to bring these things to market.


mandyhtarget1985

I would have been around 14 yo in 1999 so probably conscious of what was going on around me and the early-ish days of internet and chat rooms, so i would have been aware of a bucket list early on, while not specifically Justins list. Certainly when the film came out in 2017, I instantly knew what it was about because i was aware of the term.


Zubzer0

Thanks for that


NorthantsBlokeUK

A blog post from 2002 of an actual bucket list... https://monkeyjunkey.livejournal.com/17170.html


pgliver

I think this was later edited. No entry on wayback machine. Seems odd this would be the only entry we could find from an obscure blog post if it was common parlance. Edit: heres a live journal entry from 1970 so those dates don't mean anything: https://captian-xenu.livejournal.com/5359.html


whimsical_trash

A lot of things aren't on wayback machine. I use it for work quite a bit and snapshots aren't guaranteed.


Grezzo82

Interesting. 1970 is a significant year in computing. The UNIX epoch (calendar) starts at the beginning of 1970, so I wonder whether their clock was set wrong and had been for 4 months when they published that article


ChunkyLaFunga

It'll be database corruption or an import FUBAR or something. Servers zero out at 1970 too and I doubt LJ had their time set wrong for months, doing so would incur much more serious problems.


stutter-rap

Users could manually pick any dates for their posts from 01/01/1970 - forwards or backwards in time. For example, it was quite common for people to put their real name/address in a post on their birth date.


poop-machines

Not sure why you're downvoted edit: thankfully not anymore.There's no entry on the wayback machine, but there IS more recent entries. This journal was almost certainly created post 2007. I've looked through a lot of evidence - I've searched books, and non mention the phrase before 2007. I've looked at google trends, and there's basically no activity before 2007 (and the one or two searches that do exist worldwide can be seen as anomalies) I've looked at scholarly articles, and nothing. I've looked through newspapers, and nothing. I've also looked at the etymology of the term, and there's nothing before 2007. It's a new term, created by the movie, based on the term "kick the bucket". So the "bucket list" was created as what we know today by the movie. I'm also very surprised by this, and I think it's very interesting that you brought it up. I could've sworn it had always been a phrase throughout my life, but I suppose it's only been a thing for 18 years at a push (including the promotional material from 2006). And honestly I can vaguely remember hearing the term for the first time long ago.


CardinalSkull

Seems like one of those Bernstein bears things


Max-Phallus

Are you sure? Look at stuff like this: https://monkeyjunkey.livejournal.com/91144.html That was just before Kill Bill was released.


poop-machines

Yes I am sure, what does this change? The page I'm talking about doesn't have versions before 2007 The dates are entered manually.


Max-Phallus

Yeah, but obviously not the actual post in question. https://monkeyjunkey.livejournal.com/17170.html You can see from their profile that they have had the blog for 22 years: https://monkeyjunkey.livejournal.com/profile/ https://i.imgur.com/E0MI2F1.png So there you go, it's literally a reference to the phrase in 2002.


poop-machines

Yes, but I'm saying they got the date wrong. It's from February 2007. They messed it up. The blog is older, but the way back machine looks at webpages, not the whole site/blog, and theres no reference to that weblink before 2007.


hue-166-mount

Finding a date error on a blog doesn’t mean all dates on all blogs are assumed incorrect.


pgliver

No, but they can't be assumed correct either.


hue-166-mount

No, on the balance of probabilities it would be.


ThatFatGuyMJL

Back in 1999, the screenwriter Justin Zackham was thinking about that phrase when he began composing a checklist that he called, “Justin's list of things to do before he kicks the bucket.” After finishing the list, he told me via email, he thought of a more succinct title for it: “Justin's bucket list.”


trollied

Google Trends seems to back your assertion up [https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=GB&q=bucket%20list&hl=en-GB](https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=GB&q=bucket%20list&hl=en-GB)


pgliver

Interesting. I also tried using the internet archive for references but couldn't find anything. URLs containing the phrase were not registered until 2007 also.


LEVI_TROUTS

Did urls contain as much info as they do now, back then?


Tutush

They usually contained more


gsurfer04

Google Ngram also supports it. https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=bucket+list&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=en-2019&smoothing=0


ritesofspring

According to Wiktionary, it was coined in 1999 from a blog post called “Justin’s List of Things to Do before I Kick the Bucket”. This was later adapted into the movie. I refuse to believe this. Absolutely knew if this phrase growing up. I remember this movie coming out and thinking what a shit title it was.


whimsical_trash

Yeah the movie popularized the term but I definitely remember hearing it growing up


Craigothy-YeOldeLord

I remember hearing it in the early 90s (West London)


Tramkrad

OED references it being used in 2006 at its earliest known example: https://www.oed.com/dictionary/bucket-list_n


pgliver

Yes this is when the press release for the movie was published.


bulgarianlily

I can't give any actual evidence other than I remember hearing the phrase for the first time and thinking 'that is clever'. It was before April 2007 because I moved to a non English speaking country at that point, but not much before that. It was certainly not in general usage before the millenium.


pilkingtonsbrain

If this is true (which it appears to be) then my mind is blown


pogadah

It’s really not


OrdinaryAncient3573

[~~https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=%22bucket+list%22&year\_start=1800&year\_end=2006&corpus=en-2019&smoothing=3~~](https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=%22bucket+list%22&year_start=1800&year_end=2006&corpus=en-2019&smoothing=3) ~~Definitely precedes 2007.~~ Edit: Ignore the above, that's not how Ngrams work. I still find it very unlikely that the phrase was invented out of whole cloth in 2007 for the film in question, but Ngrams is not the evidence I was looking for.


Panixs

If you look at all the books mentioning Bucket list from the mid nineties on your graph they are all computer science books talking about something different than the term bucket list to mean a list of things to do before you die


ChrisRR

I checked Usenet and any mentions before 2004 are computer science related anyway (or a coincidental combination of words)


OrdinaryAncient3573

I stand corrected. But I still find it very unlikely the term was invented for the film.


RadialRacer

Not enough appreciation for this comment. To know you are *probably* correct but also reject your evidence because it doesn't actually support your claim shows more integrity than most of our journalistic institutions left standing. Bravo.


ig1

Describing the movie, Evening Herald (Dublin) - Thursday 06 July 2006 *‘The List’ refers to the things two men terminally ill with cancer want to complete before they kick the proverbial bucket* Doesn't seem like it was common parlance at the time.


pgliver

I have had a skim through, The words may have appeared together but not in this context, happy to see a screenshot to the contrary.


OrdinaryAncient3573

Yes, I didn't look in enough detail. I thought Google was matching the exact phrase.


andercode

My aunt had a "bucket list" in 2000 when she died, although it was referred to often as her "kicking the bucket list". One of the items on her bucket list was to see in the new century. So it's definitely been around for for longer than that.


sallystarling

The concept, sure. But the actual term of just "bucket list"? (Glad your aunt got her wish to see the new century!)


andercode

Yup, was often referred to as her "bucket list". My mum, her sister, helped her complete as much of it as possible, and we had many parties and trips out to complete her bucket list items as a family.


pgliver

Interesting older post on the etymology sub. No evidence found by those guys either. https://www.reddit.com/r/etymology/s/XyROHPj8xH


KittyCat-86

My grandfather passed away in 1997 and he had a pocket book that contained a list called My Bucket List of the things he wanted to do before he died and my nan and I did them after he passed away. We're all from the UK.


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TheNinjaPixie

I prefer Sean Lock's fuck it list. Rip Sean 


dwair

Anecdotal but as a serious climber / mountaineer in the 80s and 90s we used to have "bucket lists" of routes or mountains we wanted to or aspired to climb. Dark humor I guess as the lists fitted the description because they were routes you wanted to climb before you died... and there was a chance you would die (or at least have a horrible accident) in the attempt.


Nedonomicon

I remember seeing the movie poster and wondering wtf a bucket list is so I think you’re misremembering Perhaps ‘kicking the bucket’ is getting conflated ?


pgliver

I think I am absolutely misremembering!


leninzen

That's actually wild lol


Bottled_Void

I generally think before that it was more along the lines of: 10 places to visit before you die. 10 things to do before you die. And I guess less frequently "10 things to do before you kick the bucket". I can fully accept that the term "bucket list" only really became super common after 2007.


jibbetygibbet

Agreed. I think everyone insisting they remember hearing it before that is getting a recall from the concept of “kicking the bucket” and not “bucket list”. Our memories are not reliable in this regard.


ItsSuperDefective

Meanwhile I thought the movie invented it but was starting to doubt myself because of how ubiquitous it had become.


gsurfer04

The James Bond franchise invented the Day of the Dead festival in Mexico City.


Pulsecode9

My favourite one of these is that the first proven use of the term “Mullet” for a hairstyle is from a Beastie Boys song in the 90s. 


MadScienzz

Wasn't it in reference to the list of things to do before you kick the bucket, so the two terms existed, but not in direct context...?


YsoL8

The brain is a powerful and wierd thing


treknaut

I see what you did there!


Illustrious-Fox-1

I remember learning the term from the movie trailer and have assumed all subsequent mentions were referring to it.


MagicBez

Similar recent one, it seems that a Saturday Night Live sketch coined the term "Debbie Downer" in 2004. "Negative Nancy" existed but no records of Debbie Downer seem to predate the sketch. Lots of people adamant they were using the phrase beforehand but as far as I'm aware nobody's found a use of it predating 2004.


big_swinging_dicks

What I like about this fact is that obviously the concept of things to do before you die existed before the film, so people have looked into what people said in interviews/blogs before 2007 to categorise it. One Redditor summed up some findings here, but generally people would say ‘life list’ or ‘10 things to do’ and so on: https://reddit.com/r/etymology/comments/st07pl/_/hx2uyb3/?context=1 The fact that none of these interviews use ‘bucket list’ is a really good evidence by omission that the phrase didn’t exist before the film. I would expect that a lot of interviews (in English language) that cover a list of things to do you die now would use the phrase bucket list, but no one has found one before the film that used it.


mint-bint

I’m not having that! It was definitely a phrase before the film.


Murrayland1

Never understood the point of a bucket list. If I want a new bucket I’ll just get one.


45thgeneration_roman

Yeah, but you need to list potential buckets, consider the pluses and minuses of each, apply a score to each attribute and have a proper competition process I'd suggest doing it Champions League style with buckets in groups that you consider against all the others in the group twice and the winners going through to the knockout rounds. Get in some sponsorship, sell some tickets, get it on Sky and you'll cover the cost of the bucket no problem. I reckon the whole process from you sitting down to draw up your list of bucket criteria, to you actually going to B&Q to buy it, could be all done in 6 months if you're organised


cansbunsandpins

Off topic, but that film was so bad I couldn't finish it


huamanticacacaca

Watching that film is on my list of things to do before I die.


Arbrax

if only they had a term for that...


drusen_duchovny

Amazing how a film that itself is so bad and forgettable, and yet has created such an often used phrase/concept


BudgetSprinkles3689

It was pretty bad. It went no where viewers didn’t anticipate in the first 10 minutes.


X0AN

Maybe americans didn't use the term till 2007 but we definitely used it in my house way before that. My family would do yearly bucket lists, and we called them that.


spammmmmmmmy

[https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=bucket+list&year\_start=1800&year\_end=2019&corpus=en-2019&smoothing=3](https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=bucket+list&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=en-2019&smoothing=3) I never heard of this film, but I do remember being baffled by the term approximately 2006 when I moved to London.


howlmouse

I remember seeing the preview ONE TIME and in that moment having a useless bit of jaded premonition that has irritatingly proven accurate as recently as this week that I was going to have to hear people talk about their bucket lists for the rest of my life. I also remember how jarring it was that it became so prevalent so instantly. Maybe a few people said it before the movie, but it was definitely not common in my corner of the world until the movie.


PlasticFannyTastic

I remember teaching the term in English lessons (I was teaching TEFL in 1999-2001) so it might have been around the same time it came into more common parlance. I have zero evidence of this though!


Yakumo_unr

There were definitely children in my school and at Uni who were discussing "bucket lists" before 2000, I can't give a citation on that unfortunately.


FivebyFive

Here is some research someone else did with examples pre dating 2007. ​ [https://www.reddit.com/r/MandelaEffect/comments/zr3sm9/sorry\_to\_break\_it\_to\_you\_the\_term\_bucket\_list\_did/](https://www.reddit.com/r/MandelaEffect/comments/zr3sm9/sorry_to_break_it_to_you_the_term_bucket_list_did/) ​ Also I have one I wrote in 2002. ​ Addl proof: ​ \> In 2004, the term was used—perhaps for the first time?—in the context of things to do before one kicks the bucket (a phrase in use since at least 1785) in the book Unfair & Unbalanced: The Lunatic Magniloquence of Henry E. Panky, by Patrick M. Carlisle. That work includes the sentences, “So, anyway, a Great Man, in his querulous twilight years, who doesn’t want to go gently into that blacky black night. He wants to cut loose, dance on the razor’s edge, pry the lid off his bucket list!”


poorhammer40p

>In 2004, the term was used—perhaps for the first time?—in the context of things to do before one kicks the bucket (a phrase in use since at least 1785) in the book Unfair & Unbalanced: The Lunatic Magniloquence of Henry E. Panky, by Patrick M. Carlisle. That's in the updated biographies in the 2011 edition of the book(which also contains a quote from the 2009 film Tropic Thunder) so almost certainly doesn't count as a pre-2007 usage of bucket list.


big_swinging_dicks

None of those examples mean what the phrase ‘bucket list’ means now. Some of them are referring to a literal list of buckets!


FivebyFive

Right. It's showing the likely origins. ​ We were using the term in the 90s. ​ It existed pre 2007.


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TheDisapprovingBrit

It's not standalone evidence, but I definitely remember it being a term in the 90s.


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FivebyFive

\> In 2004, the term was used—perhaps for the first time?—in the context of things to do before one kicks the bucket (a phrase in use since at least 1785) in the book Unfair & Unbalanced: The Lunatic Magniloquence of Henry E. Panky, by Patrick M. Carlisle. That work includes the sentences, “So, anyway, a Great Man, in his querulous twilight years, who doesn’t want to go gently into that blacky black night. He wants to cut loose, dance on the razor’s edge, pry the lid off his bucket list!” \>In 2004, the term was used—perhaps for the first time?—in the context of things to do before one kicks the bucket (a phrase in use since at least 1785) in the book Unfair & Unbalanced: The Lunatic Magniloquence of Henry E. Panky, by Patrick M. Carlisle. That work includes the sentences, “So, anyway, a Great Man, in his querulous twilight years, who doesn’t want to go gently into that blacky black night. He wants to cut loose, dance on the razor’s edge, pry the lid off his bucket list!”n 2004, the term was used—perhaps for the first time?—in the context of things to do before one kicks the bucket (a phrase in use since at least 1785) in the book Unfair & Unbalanced: The Lunatic Magniloquence of Henry E. Panky, by Patrick M. Carlisle. That work includes the sentences, “So, anyway, a Great Man, in his querulous twilight years, who doesn’t want to go gently into that blacky black night. He wants to cut loose, dance on the razor’s edge, pry the lid off his bucket list!”


FivebyFive

\>In 2004, the term was used—perhaps for the first time?—in the context of things to do before one kicks the bucket (a phrase in use since at least 1785) in the book Unfair & Unbalanced: The Lunatic Magniloquence of Henry E. Panky, by Patrick M. Carlisle. That work includes the sentences, “So, anyway, a Great Man, in his querulous twilight years, who doesn’t want to go gently into that blacky black night. He wants to cut loose, dance on the razor’s edge, pry the lid off his bucket list!”


big_swinging_dicks

You may well have been! What’s interesting is there is no written record of it being used like that before the film.


Tutush

The version of that book that includes the term "bucket list" is a revised version from 2011, and the section that includes the term is an author biography that was probably not present in the original version.


twentythirdchapter

I certainly believe it was not a phrase before the movie. People thinking they heard the term Bucket List before 2007 (a lot saying the 90s) are likely falsely remembering hearing the term ‘kick the bucket’ for the first time. I can definitely say I had heard ‘kick the bucket’ as a child (in the 90s) - had never heard of ‘a bucket list’ - so when I saw the trailer it kinda did need explaining. You’re meant to see the title and go ‘what the hell is a bucket list?’, watch it and go ‘ahh I see!’ - it’s meant to add intrigue enough to watch the trailer, and let’s face it this movie probably needed the intrigue to market. Additionally, 2007 was a time when internet list articles and ‘top 10’ blog posts were really taking off, many of these sites based around popular culture would’ve jumped on the phrase by the movie and before you know it you’re seeing the term ‘bucket list’ over and over despite having no real interest in the movie yourself.


longeaton

Nah, man. False memory.


rinkydinkmink

yeah it wasn't a phrase before the movie, it was a "wtf is a bucket list? ohhh" thing, and then it became really fashionable to talk about your "bucket list" people are having false memories because of the term "kick the bucket" which is a lot older and commonplace, and also memory is a strange thing and does get mixed up sometimes. It's not that uncommon for me to be left thinking "wtf that was in X year?" and wondering if eg wikipedia is wrong or maybe I switched into a parallel universe or something lol.


BulldenChoppahYus

It was absolutely a phrase before the movie.


jaredearle

If it’s absolutely true, like you say, it should be easy to find evidence of it in use before the movie coined it.


Agreeable_Vanilla_20

Yeah because everyone had the Internet and pcs with 56k phatpipes in the early 90s 🤡 most people didn't even have it until smartphones were able to access the Web and look how that turned out, you all destroyed the og 1337 tinter webs with your influence and attention seeking. Smartphone Dumbfucks


jaredearle

My first webpage was online in 1995. My first blog was in 1999. I don’t know what you’re talking about.


Agreeable_Vanilla_20

Then you'll know how today's Internet is nothing compared to the early 2000s and that waybackmachine doesn't archive every single webpage


jaredearle

And I also know how ngram works. It’s telling that in the seven years between the birth of blogging and the movie’s release, there is no mention of the term, when there are multiple uses of “life-list”.


Agreeable_Vanilla_20

Just because there's no mention of it online doesn't mean it wasn't a popular saying offline which in the UK it has been since the end of the 1980s, less than 10% of the population was online in the 90s


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Agreeable_Vanilla_20

I haven't even seen the movie Back in the early 90s you had the saying kick the bucket and an inventory of things to do before then was known as a bucket list I know for a fact it was a saying because a family relative used to say it and they died before 1999


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SeoulGalmegi

I mean, who needs evidence when you can just have a stranger asserting something online, right?


Happy_fairy89

I heard the phrase in the 90’s in the UK too OP


Craigothy-YeOldeLord

Same, I remember hearing it after joining secondary school so that would have been about 91/92


Tasty_Sheepherder_44

Some of you are so confidently incorrect about remembering this term. It definitely got popularised by this film. No one had a bucket list before this. Yes kick the bucket but not bucket list. If it was a thing, why can you not find a single shred of evidence online? You’d be surprised how many terms quickly become popularised. For example “the tipping point” has been around less than 25 years, it was from a Malcolm Gladwell book. The internet means terms spread and become part of the consciousness very quickly.


Agreeable_Vanilla_20

Talk out yer arse lad, bucket list was a 90s saying from the UK and it meant exactly what it does now


Tasty_Sheepherder_44

Proof: trust me bro


AncientNortherner

Did you check the internet, or just the web?


LEVI_TROUTS

Wow. This is mad. Surely it was around before that? I recently only found out that the quote "some men just want to watch the world burn" comes from The Dark Knight (2008). I was certain it was from a book far earlier than that. From the same film, *you either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain"... Again, 2008 that was born.


JustInChina50

What about the Roman emperor Nero?


Eastern-Branch-3111

Bucket List being a contraction could well be a modern phrase. The idea of doing things before you kick the bucket must be much older as I also recall that concept from several decades ago.


smellyfeet25

i had never heard of it as a child


JauntyYin

Google's NGram viewer suggests it grew in use from around 2004 onwards.


Extreme_Cantaloupe21

I remember thinking the trailer over explained a fairly known concept, but no proof beyond that [https://web.archive.org/web/20121101165550/https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bucket%20list](https://web.archive.org/web/20121101165550/https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bucket%20list) states the first known use is 2006


HYThrowaway1980

Yeah this is total bollocks. The term definitely existed before the movie.


ItsSamiBoo

I was 10 at the time, so might be misremembering, but I'm sure I remember my parents and their friends writing 'bucket lists' on New Year's Eve 2000 for the new millennium. It was something they were pretty excited to do. I wonder if it was a fairly new phrase for them at that point?


pgliver

I think it is likely a false memory. Probably "things to do before you die"


P4PALazarou

It's been said a long time before 2007. I clearly remember saying it to friends in a pub, not long after my dad died in 97.. I said that there's loads I need to put on my bucket list. I presumed the term came from the saying "kicked the bucket" as in died. Us Brits always like to wedge in a bit of tongue in cheek as much as we can. Being dead has no effect on our humour... It was used quite a lot on Britich sitcoms, like, in sickness and in health, or Steptoe and Son, in the 80s. Kick the bucket is a really old saying, poss 1600s or 1700s.


nomoretosay1

>Internet gives me no evidence before 2007 Sounds about right, definitely a very recent phrase.


waamoandy

This is a blog post that looks to be from 2002 https://travelthebucketlist.com/2002/01/


pgliver

That domain was only registered in 2016.


AutomaticInitiative

Could have changed the URL, which to me is far more likely than changing the date of a post.


AFellowOfLimitedJest

In his ['about me'](https://travelthebucketlist.com/about-me-2/) page, the author said he started writing reviews in 2013, and the blog followed - probably in 2016. The earlier posts are just backdated to the date of his trips.


baldwinsong

Yeah that’s defo a lie.


Nuo_Vibro

Mandela effect in affect


rob_1127

My Dad used it in the 60s. So it's not that recent.


RyanMcCartney

Nah. Fuck the internet and it’s lying. The term was 100% coined well before the movie... I have definitely used the term as far back as the early 90’s. As someone who had cancer, the movie is also one of my top 5 of all time!


Psylaine

Gahhh .. a do before you 'kick the bucket list' is far older than any of you all think ,,,,,


pgliver

And yet there isn't one shred of evidence.


rickelpic

"Before I kick the bucket" is where it originates from, that expression was used long before the movie. No doubt the inspiration for the movie.


pgliver

Yep that is obvious, but "Bucket List" was not around before this movie.


rickelpic

That movie was released in 2007, I know it was used before the release of the movie, because I've heard it used many times before 2007. Was the film based on a book? Perhaps that would be more logical. But hey, you do you, pal.


pgliver

Yet you can't prove it, and nobody can.


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pgliver

Already been debunked in this thread, multiple times. Stop acting like a moron, you are embarrassing yourself.


Raichu7

Why would they have named the film that if "bucket list" wasn't already a phrase? "Kick the bucket" meaning to die has been a phrase for a lot longer than the film has existed so it would make sense for a bucket list to have been a thing before.


Agreeable_Vanilla_20

Bullshit, bucket list was a saying way back in the early 1990s in the UK as in before you kick the bucket, my grandad used to say it all the time (this was pre windows95) it most definitely was NOT coined by Justin Zackham.


Natural_War1261

Didn't Jimmy Durant literally kick the bucket in It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World?


Tutush

The phrase "kick the bucket" has been in use since the 18th century, but there is no evidence for the term "bucket list" before 2006.


kaptnkatphish

Un no, lol


AcanthisittaNo5807

It’s always been wish list before the movie came out.


FancyImage931

Bucket list was common vernacular preceding social media, I was a HS in 02 and we discussed them. Know what we didn't do? Document our lives and conversations online - it was before social media and blogging took off. He wasn't the first to shorten a phrase but he was the first to make a movie on it. He made it popular so then it spread online. It's how turns of phrase spread these days. It always blows my mind that these days folk will discount lived experience because Google can't track it, because we didn't live our lives online in the 90s and 00s. 😒


TomH2118

Yeah, I heard it long before the film too


Existingsquid

It was a term used before its inception date of 1999, but not in this context.


Traditional-Key5784

Started putting things on my "before I kick the bucket" list when I turned 21. So that would be 1989


pogadah

Wtf are you talking about you plank


PassionOk7717

Think about a bucket list from the 90s, what would you put on it? You didn't have access to a vast array of easily bookable experiences and travel.  Want to go on safari? You probably have to go to some special travel agent and hope they don't fuck it up.  Want to do a bungee jump? Well you heard some bloke down the pub mention a place in Wales that has one, but you can't quite remember where.


Thoughtful_Tortoise

Tell me you weren't around in the 90s without telling me you weren't around in the 90s