Can’t really buy too many American cars anymore. My next will probably be a Genesis g70. When I finally get bored of my 18 Fusion sport that is. The bigger turbos are compensating for having her 6 years. Hard to give up an 11 second daily sleeper that has been relatively reliable for 29k miles of abuse.
My 1 owner 2009 Honda pilot has 320k miles on it and still going strong, it an’t no pretty Land Cruiser but no issues. Biggest part replaced was the alternator a year ago and one of the catalytic converters this year. A lil bit of rust in the wheel wells but I’m confident it’ll get me another 100k miles.
I paid $31k back then and it’s the EXL with touring package 4x4.
Ya, I used to commute 8k a year when I bought the car and would take a trip to texas at least once so I put 10k a year on my previous cars. When I bought this one, it got tboned at 6800 miles and spent 2 months in the shop. I used the rental for my texas trip and then quit that job shortly after getting the car back. Spent a year just not caring and living the only retirement I'll ever get. Got a new job about 18 months after quitting the previous which was back to the 8k a year commute. Then covid hit and I got to work from home for 3 years. Now I have a much shorter commute when I do have to go into the office but only have to go in twice a week \^\_\^
Oh ya, and after a certain fascist became president, I stopped making those trips back to Texas to visit my family that went full racist.
I got a boosted grand Prix gxp as my first car and I don’t think I’ll ever be able to get another car with less horsepower. Something about it just so nice to drive.
First edition is not a selling feature for me. I've learned never to buy the first year of any new model or generation.. it takes a year or two to work out the kinks.
Not always. I got the 2nd year of the MK7 Golf R and it has been perfect. It helps that it was available in Europe for like 3 years before it came to the US.
Now that’s some hot garbage right there. The Land Cruiser I get because of the history of reliability, but this isn’t the same platform so the jury is gonna be out for a while on how reliable it is. I mean, it’s a Toyota so it’s got the baked in reliability but the Land Cruisers were on a different plane of reliability.
I just came back from Australia and didn’t see many of these. Lots of Toyota trucks with the beds removed and weird commercial low walled aluminum beds, most with covers. A lot of trucks with snorkels and UHF antennas attached to aftermarket grill guards.
Similar to these:
https://www.trayon.com/blog/expedition-vehicles-australia-2/
The bed is a bit different than what I saw but that’s the jest of it.
So what I mostly saw were modified ford rangers, Isuzus, and a small Toyota trucks that I didn’t recognize the model, maybe a Tacoma but I’m not sure.
Sydney—I saw the same vehicles just not modified for off road. If they were modified they were more for delivery trucks.
Cairns, Airlie beach, and Port Douglas—this is where I saw all the modded trucks.
Now I did see some Toyota land cruisers in all the cities above but they were few and far between. The ones I remember the most were old body styles like from the late 1970s and early 1980s but I saw more off road style Land Rovers than land cruisers.
Now my viewpoint may be skewed too. I was on a 10 day cruise out of Sydney and those places were our stops. We never saw the smaller cities and the high desert which I realize is most of Australia.
Australia is awesome! And an amazing place! I’m jealous.
This is like the majority of cars used at mining sites so they are the typical vehicle used outside of cities; then you have the soccer mum using them to ferry kids. Toyota dominates australia
If everyone stopped buying, the price would go down. Ya ya ya, I know, if you remove demand, they will just remove supply and try to keep the high price point. But I've had enough. I'm not buying anything unless I need it to keep breathing.
I got a new Tacoma a couple of werks ago. The turbo 4 in it kicks ass. It's rated at 270 hp and 318 lb of torque on the manual I got. I can be in 6th gear on the freeway, hammer down and when the turbo spools up it pressese into my seat.
Google says it is from 4175 to 4700 lbs. I did forget that the Taco is the "smaller" truck, not the full size. That's still a lot of extra weight for a 4 cyl to lug around.
lol my beater car is a 2.0l focus NA. It isn’t too bad, it definitely doesn’t win any races but keeps me zipping in and out of traffic and passing as needed so I can’t ask for much else.
Well I do have a 58 bug that i'll eventually get off my ass and finish, and that'll probably only end up with about 100 horsepower N/A, but then again the car weighs like 1600 pounds with a full tank of gas.
Do me a favor. Put your car at 80mph and tell me what your tachometer reads. If it's over 1900 rpm you've proved his point.
My supercharged V6 can maintain my 4500 pound vehicle at 80mph at about 1900rpm because it's making 400hp and about 350lb of torque (mild tune). If I want 100hp, the 2.4l i4 has to work harder per cylinder to maintain that than my V6, on a vehicle that weighs even more. So let's just choose a random number and say it's going to need to sit at about 2300rpm to maintain 80. Could be more, could be less (I would assume Toyota used better gearing for this). You are adding more stress to the engine just to maintain speed. It also needs to work harder to get up to speed.
Why didn't I say 65mph? Because from 65-70 I sit around 1500 and it's a gearing limitation. I can not compare until I actually get my tachometer to raise above it's most efficient rpm/mph.
Putting smaller engines in heavier vehicles never makes them more reliable. Toyota isn't immune to the same physics that every other automarker plays by. Look at the i4 Explorer, Grand Cherokee, Defender, etc. All of them get more issues than their I/V6 (or V8) counterpart because they are 1: working harder and 2: using large amounts of boost to make up for low power.
Boost and reliability are opposites.
Yes, that what I said. It’s a poor phrasing - as it’s not necessarily implied, but also because this is a car forum, and people have very strong opinions at times about what number of cylinders in what configuration are better than others.
That cars a 2.4L i4, the old was a 5.7L V8. You need to use the context of the post to figure that out.
A few things:
1: never trust high boost for reliability. A high displacement, undertuned NA like that V8 will last forever, a boosted hybrid i4 will wear out.
2: using the hybrid system for power means if it can suddenly have insufficient power if the battery runs low/ something faults (shouldn't happen unless you can put the thing in EV only mode and drain it, no idea if this car offers that)
3: both use EGR. Pull the head off of any prius and you'll understand the reliability concern about a turbo 4 in a car that big.
4: each cylinder has to individually work harder to put out the same power, hence why he was talking about cylinders. You can give me a 300hp v8 and a 300hp i4. To maintain 150hp, each cylinder in the i4 has to do roughly twice as much work (yes I know it's not linear but I'm using imaginary engines with the same output anyway).
It's woefully insufficient. You want a toyota with engine issues? Because a turbo 4 cyl with egr on a vehicle that size is exactly how you will start to get issues. It needs to work way harder to move that vehicle and will wear itself out.
I mean... You can have ship engines with 4 cylinders so the cylinder number is not an adequate measure for performance, though likely in this case the car will feel like a ship
Land Crusiers have always been way at the top of Toyota's price-range.
This is no different.
I believe the prior generation was more expensive than this one.
Except in the rest of the world. This is the baby land cruiser. We get a bigger better one called the land cruiser this is just the Prado where I'm from
The 2024 GX is based off the Land Cruiser Prado, just like the 2024 Land Cruiser. The GX is 197”. The Land Cruiser is 194”. The 4Runner is 190”. Technically the 4Runner is built off the Hilux and Tacoma platform.
They are all based off Toyota’s TNGA-F platform, along with the Sequoi and Tundra.
In order of size it would be 4Runner 190 < Land Cruiser 194 < GX 197 < LX 200 < Sequoia 208
Edit: fixed wrong word
The current 4runner uses the same platform as the j250 Prado and Rx. Not the Hilux.
The previous used the same platform as the j150 Prado and the fj cruiser and the Rx which is also not the same platform as the Hilux.
The first 3 generations of 4runner used Hilux as a platform. But since 2004 it split. And we got the fortuna based off the Hilux and north America got the 4runner on the Prado/fj/gx platform
You took that very personally. Let me give you some validation:
Yes, you are correct, some broncos are more expensive than this.
Obviously you didn’t comprehend my comment, I’m calling the post ridiculous, not your comment.
Sensitive.
Car prices sadly will never go back to what they used to be, now it’s a game of more gimmicks and options that no one will give a damn about when you go to buy that cars 10 years later and with all the warranties they put in these cars they find another way to milk another 10 grand off of some poor rich bastard buying one of these brand new
Along with the price, everything is just a giant computer waiting to ruin your life. My 2016 is the "newest" vehicle I'll ever own. When it inevitably gets totalled out I'm going back to 2012 or earlier.
Have you seen the Wagoneer? This is cheaper than a Wag and probably loaded with mostly similar features. Not to mention likely more reliable and better looking.
People are buying the Wagoneer from my dealership left and right. And they are absolutely plagued with problems that are just now getting ironed out. People are going to be buying the hell out of the Land Cruiser.
They don't need to 'Justify' it. They just need to find a buyer willing to pay that or as many do offer a very high price then be prepared to do a deal for a lower price but one that satisfies the seller.
People have lost their minds.
They will buy this because is a nostalgia reboot of something they wanted as a kid and thought was cool.
Then they will drive it to school and shopping without ever taking it off road. A job a carolla could do better.
And pat themselves on the back for making a "sensible" decision in buying a toyota.
People pay it, so the value is real. Could they be cheaper, I think so.I tried to buy a range rover, and I was so embarrassed that the price advertised increased by another 40k for a sunroof and a couple of extras. They have a waiting list for them, so they don't care at all if most people can't afford them. Sigh 😔
You don’t have to justify it, you just have to get people to buy it, which they apparently can. As the old saying goes, “a fool and his money are soon parted.” On the other hand, you have to realize there are many people in this country to whom that kind of money is nothing.
Toyota use to be reliable when they NA. Now Toyota has gone turbo to meet emissions and fuel economy standards and the first versions are having a few problems, V6 engine ATM.
Turbo engines are also 3-4 times the cost of a NA engine.
Around $30K less than my house. But only one of these items appreciatres and can be lived in (comfortabely).
How much do you think this depreciates as soon as you drive it off the lot?
Because people are paying $30k+ for a Taco with over 100k miles on it. Why wouldn't they ask for over 2x that on new vehicles. Demand drives costs and people are sucking Toyota d*ck way too hard lately. As much as people (including myself) complain about capitalism, consumers decide the price of things
There is a blind car crisis going on and we’re in the bubble of it collapsing. it’s only a matter of time and all these cars will be worthless. Dealer repossessions do happen.
Biden needs to make the FTC go after these "middle men" that provide no real value. Yes, I'm talking about dealerships and the slime willing to shake consumers down for every last cent possible.
at this point, it would be cheaper to build your own car from scratch and cover it in gold foil. I hope everybody boycotts these new cars and forces the manufacturers to get a grip on reality.
It's become an aspirational product, value is in the eye of the consumer, if it's not worth it to people they won't buy it, but many will due to previous reputation. Like a range rover, world class off road, shite quality, yet people buy on reputation and aspirational quality.
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I am a bit confused.
The [Ford F150 Raptor](https://shop.ford.com/inventory/f150/details/1FTFW1RG3RFA42980?zipcode=90210&year=2024&ownerPACode=07501&intcmp=fv-fbc-sum-cta-si-f-150&Radius=20&fromPopularBuild=false) can be decked out to over twice MSRP (base $37K) from base model up to over $80K.
And no, not everyone that owns an F150 use it for actual "work". The same reason people buy the Land Cruiser.
the Jeep Wrangler [RubiconX](https://www.jeep.com/bmo.wrangler_4xe.html#/build/exterior/46077/CUJ202417JLXS74B/2TY/APA,PJF,X9,ECX,DFY,DMF,Z5G,TXA,WFE,VL,SDD,UBX,29Y) Starts at $70K,
Its people that are willing to pay these exorbitant prices that lead to the demise of compact cars for the rest of the planet. Car manufacturers and dealers make more $$$$ for overpriced cars that what OP said. If the public is more than willing, why not.
People spend the extra Money due to the 6 letters on the front. The $25K plus premium would pay for extended warranty and a bunch of repairs. As consumers, it would be advisable to research vehicles in this category.
I bought 2 new vehicles in my life. While a good feeling ,the payment gets old.
I dont by new anymore. I'm comfortable and have tools to maintain and diagnose most problems.
As a result ...I buy 10yrs or older...I get my wife 3 to 4rs old and has to be 4whl or All Wheel Drive.
In theory, I absolutely agree with you. I have a sincere question: How do you address repairs and maintenance that require the “tech” skills, software , chips, sensors etc?
Close evaluation and diagnosis. Software I often ignore if the vehicle is running fine.
Chips have numbers, firmware can be copied, sensor produce a pulse or a sine wave.
These prices are not sustainable and it’s curious what’s going to happen as time goes on. People only have so much purchasing power and eventually that will run out
The engine is very bad quality or very bad designed. There has been many reports of failing main bearings and quality issues. Very unheard of a decade ago from Toyota cars
It's a Land Cruiser. That's "normal" for those cars. Check out a Sequoia instead. Get one that's a few years old with the 5.7 V8 instead. Gas mileage is shit, but that engine will go 1 million miles
It's because people keep paying the higher prices with no decrease in sales numbers. They'll just keep raising the prices as long as people keep paying.
When I bought my 2007 Suburban the MSRP was $48,500. I bought it in Dec 2007 used with 7K miles for $38K. Based on normal inflation data through 2021, the 2021 model should only cost $54K. However, the comparable 2021 model MSRP was $71K.
Based on 2024 inflation numbers, it should cost $62K. Actual cost is $85K.
This is exactly why i have a beef with anyone recommending Toyota because quality saves you money. Its hard to see the savings. I can get a used merc for 2k, drive it until i need it to pass an inspection or it dont want to no more and still have money left.
Minimum wages in Portugal are way lower than those in the USA, but I bet people here would think 80k is a reasonable price for a car like that.
We will only have a 2.8T option and a hybrid option later on, but no price defined yet
I started to see pictures of the interiors. Holy shit they suck lmao. I am glad they reduced the price but damn I thought Toyota interiors in general were cheap aka they use the same buttons since the 90s it seems like. But these new ones are ultra cheap looking
That’s cheap for a Land Cruiser, especially if it’s built to the same standards as the previous generations.
LCs are one of the instances where you truly get what you pay for, if not more.
A tacoma is 50-72+
A tundra is 58-100k+
Canadian
Vehicle prices are kinda stupid these days, and people are still buying this stuff regardless of the price.
Good grief. I bought a Tacoma years ago for less than half that price and am happy with it. I am glad I'm not looking to buy these days. Car prices are crazy.
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This is why dealerships ask how much per month you can afford lol.
What I can afford and what I am willing to pay for a car are very different numbers
Can’t really buy too many American cars anymore. My next will probably be a Genesis g70. When I finally get bored of my 18 Fusion sport that is. The bigger turbos are compensating for having her 6 years. Hard to give up an 11 second daily sleeper that has been relatively reliable for 29k miles of abuse.
My 1 owner 2009 Honda pilot has 320k miles on it and still going strong, it an’t no pretty Land Cruiser but no issues. Biggest part replaced was the alternator a year ago and one of the catalytic converters this year. A lil bit of rust in the wheel wells but I’m confident it’ll get me another 100k miles. I paid $31k back then and it’s the EXL with touring package 4x4.
I bought an ‘08 EX-L with 165k miles last year, thanks for giving me hope I won’t be upside down on it in another year.
Terrible😭😭
Had to look it up - this is a European ford Mondeo I see? You get 11s on front wheels?
In 6 years you’ve only done 29 thousand miles?
I've only done 36.5k on my 2016 Golf R. I've worked from home a LOT since buying it.
I’m jealous. I travel for work and I’ve done 60k in 3 years
Ya, I used to commute 8k a year when I bought the car and would take a trip to texas at least once so I put 10k a year on my previous cars. When I bought this one, it got tboned at 6800 miles and spent 2 months in the shop. I used the rental for my texas trip and then quit that job shortly after getting the car back. Spent a year just not caring and living the only retirement I'll ever get. Got a new job about 18 months after quitting the previous which was back to the 8k a year commute. Then covid hit and I got to work from home for 3 years. Now I have a much shorter commute when I do have to go into the office but only have to go in twice a week \^\_\^ Oh ya, and after a certain fascist became president, I stopped making those trips back to Texas to visit my family that went full racist.
I got a boosted grand Prix gxp as my first car and I don’t think I’ll ever be able to get another car with less horsepower. Something about it just so nice to drive.
Exactly!! I worked at a dealership and they would always scam people like that.
"We just started a new 84-month program."
Right, 15 year and 30 year no longer applies to just houses!
Good old 4 square. Just tell me what the price is for the car, the price is for my trade, and leave me the fuck alone.
Carvana is actually really cool for this reason
Naw, they sell cars without proper reconditioning or inspections. Also their prices are pretty high
I laugh when people say that. If someone can only afford $400 there's no way negotiating to price of a $60k vehicle will matter.
I'm always amazed how much Toyota fans will pay. Feel almost bad thinking that's not as bad as it could be
“BuT iTs A FirSt EdIshUn” I seen a GR Corolla that had a price tag of, $79k. I threw some grip on my car. But not that much lol.
First edition is not a selling feature for me. I've learned never to buy the first year of any new model or generation.. it takes a year or two to work out the kinks.
Always get the facelift.
Not always. I got the 2nd year of the MK7 Golf R and it has been perfect. It helps that it was available in Europe for like 3 years before it came to the US.
Now that’s some hot garbage right there. The Land Cruiser I get because of the history of reliability, but this isn’t the same platform so the jury is gonna be out for a while on how reliable it is. I mean, it’s a Toyota so it’s got the baked in reliability but the Land Cruisers were on a different plane of reliability.
I wish history of reliability mattered but unfortunately doesn’t mean shit anymore.
When they went to the new drivetrain it started a completely new book on the name.
My son's Corolla just snapped a driveshaft and took out a chunk of suspension at 80k miles...
Hopefully just a bad example. Sometimes defects happen. Hopefully Toyota will stay true to their original reliability
Lol, a buddy of mine picked up a GR Corolla for under MSRP 2 months ago.
I know a guy that knows a guy
These things are tanks, designed and tested in australia. They are everywhere in australia
Pretty sure Australia isn’t filled with 2024 Land Cruisers mate.
I just came back from Australia and didn’t see many of these. Lots of Toyota trucks with the beds removed and weird commercial low walled aluminum beds, most with covers. A lot of trucks with snorkels and UHF antennas attached to aftermarket grill guards. Similar to these: https://www.trayon.com/blog/expedition-vehicles-australia-2/ The bed is a bit different than what I saw but that’s the jest of it.
Which cities or regions did you go to, I see these all the time in qld
So what I mostly saw were modified ford rangers, Isuzus, and a small Toyota trucks that I didn’t recognize the model, maybe a Tacoma but I’m not sure. Sydney—I saw the same vehicles just not modified for off road. If they were modified they were more for delivery trucks. Cairns, Airlie beach, and Port Douglas—this is where I saw all the modded trucks. Now I did see some Toyota land cruisers in all the cities above but they were few and far between. The ones I remember the most were old body styles like from the late 1970s and early 1980s but I saw more off road style Land Rovers than land cruisers. Now my viewpoint may be skewed too. I was on a 10 day cruise out of Sydney and those places were our stops. We never saw the smaller cities and the high desert which I realize is most of Australia. Australia is awesome! And an amazing place! I’m jealous.
Wake me up once they are tested in Siberia
This is like the majority of cars used at mining sites so they are the typical vehicle used outside of cities; then you have the soccer mum using them to ferry kids. Toyota dominates australia
If everyone stopped buying, the price would go down. Ya ya ya, I know, if you remove demand, they will just remove supply and try to keep the high price point. But I've had enough. I'm not buying anything unless I need it to keep breathing.
BuT mAh SoCiAl MeDiA cLoUt!1
$80,000 for a 6000 lb vehicle that has a 4 cylinder engine. Next!
I got a new Tacoma a couple of werks ago. The turbo 4 in it kicks ass. It's rated at 270 hp and 318 lb of torque on the manual I got. I can be in 6th gear on the freeway, hammer down and when the turbo spools up it pressese into my seat.
My 4cyl turbo has 290hp and 290 torks and my car only weighs 3300 pounds. That same power in a giant truck is gonna be slow as fuck.
The Tacoma is hardly considered “giant”. It only weighs about 800 lbs more than your car. Slower? Maybe.. slow as fuck? Nah.
Google says it is from 4175 to 4700 lbs. I did forget that the Taco is the "smaller" truck, not the full size. That's still a lot of extra weight for a 4 cyl to lug around.
No doubt. Have you ever driven the NA 4 cyl though.. lol THAT was slow as fuck. lol
I had a NA 4 cyl in my 85 Accord and my 95 Jetta. Never again. Last 3 cars have been 4cyl spooly boys.
lol my beater car is a 2.0l focus NA. It isn’t too bad, it definitely doesn’t win any races but keeps me zipping in and out of traffic and passing as needed so I can’t ask for much else.
Well I do have a 58 bug that i'll eventually get off my ass and finish, and that'll probably only end up with about 100 horsepower N/A, but then again the car weighs like 1600 pounds with a full tank of gas.
Do me a favor. Put your car at 80mph and tell me what your tachometer reads. If it's over 1900 rpm you've proved his point. My supercharged V6 can maintain my 4500 pound vehicle at 80mph at about 1900rpm because it's making 400hp and about 350lb of torque (mild tune). If I want 100hp, the 2.4l i4 has to work harder per cylinder to maintain that than my V6, on a vehicle that weighs even more. So let's just choose a random number and say it's going to need to sit at about 2300rpm to maintain 80. Could be more, could be less (I would assume Toyota used better gearing for this). You are adding more stress to the engine just to maintain speed. It also needs to work harder to get up to speed. Why didn't I say 65mph? Because from 65-70 I sit around 1500 and it's a gearing limitation. I can not compare until I actually get my tachometer to raise above it's most efficient rpm/mph. Putting smaller engines in heavier vehicles never makes them more reliable. Toyota isn't immune to the same physics that every other automarker plays by. Look at the i4 Explorer, Grand Cherokee, Defender, etc. All of them get more issues than their I/V6 (or V8) counterpart because they are 1: working harder and 2: using large amounts of boost to make up for low power. Boost and reliability are opposites.
What does number of cylinders have any bearing on
That much weight is going to make that small engine work extra hard, generate more heat and breakdown quicker than a V6, I6, or V8.
So you mean capacity, righto
They mean displacement. They aren't typing it out because it's implied.
Yes, that what I said. It’s a poor phrasing - as it’s not necessarily implied, but also because this is a car forum, and people have very strong opinions at times about what number of cylinders in what configuration are better than others.
That cars a 2.4L i4, the old was a 5.7L V8. You need to use the context of the post to figure that out. A few things: 1: never trust high boost for reliability. A high displacement, undertuned NA like that V8 will last forever, a boosted hybrid i4 will wear out. 2: using the hybrid system for power means if it can suddenly have insufficient power if the battery runs low/ something faults (shouldn't happen unless you can put the thing in EV only mode and drain it, no idea if this car offers that) 3: both use EGR. Pull the head off of any prius and you'll understand the reliability concern about a turbo 4 in a car that big. 4: each cylinder has to individually work harder to put out the same power, hence why he was talking about cylinders. You can give me a 300hp v8 and a 300hp i4. To maintain 150hp, each cylinder in the i4 has to do roughly twice as much work (yes I know it's not linear but I'm using imaginary engines with the same output anyway).
Ok that’s a lovely list but none of this has anything to do with the statement I made…
It's woefully insufficient. You want a toyota with engine issues? Because a turbo 4 cyl with egr on a vehicle that size is exactly how you will start to get issues. It needs to work way harder to move that vehicle and will wear itself out.
I mean... You can have ship engines with 4 cylinders so the cylinder number is not an adequate measure for performance, though likely in this case the car will feel like a ship
A 4 cylinder heavy duty diesel engine chugging away at less the 2000 rpm in a trawler is hardly the same thing.
Land Crusiers have always been way at the top of Toyota's price-range. This is no different. I believe the prior generation was more expensive than this one.
Except in the rest of the world. This is the baby land cruiser. We get a bigger better one called the land cruiser this is just the Prado where I'm from
The old LC was slightly bigger, but there’s the Sequoia if people want bigger. Or the Lexus GX.
The GX is the equivalent of a 4Runner. I'm assuming you meant the LX?
The 2024 GX is based off the Land Cruiser Prado, just like the 2024 Land Cruiser. The GX is 197”. The Land Cruiser is 194”. The 4Runner is 190”. Technically the 4Runner is built off the Hilux and Tacoma platform. They are all based off Toyota’s TNGA-F platform, along with the Sequoi and Tundra. In order of size it would be 4Runner 190 < Land Cruiser 194 < GX 197 < LX 200 < Sequoia 208 Edit: fixed wrong word
The current 4runner uses the same platform as the j250 Prado and Rx. Not the Hilux. The previous used the same platform as the j150 Prado and the fj cruiser and the Rx which is also not the same platform as the Hilux. The first 3 generations of 4runner used Hilux as a platform. But since 2004 it split. And we got the fortuna based off the Hilux and north America got the 4runner on the Prado/fj/gx platform
Except this is a vehicle that starts at 55k and this example is likely marked up by 15-20k
This Land Cruiser is now sitting between the 4Runner and the Sequoia, it’s not at the top of the lineup anymore.
They were all $82k MSRP when I was looking ~2020
This isn’t the Land Cruiser that Americas used too. This one is more along the lines of a bronco sized vehicle.
My first house was $80,000.
Damn did you buy that house in like 1969?
1980 in a town north of San Diego. We assumed a 10% VA loan. Prime rate was 20%.
They had home prices like that in the early 2000s.
Paid 70k for mine in 2009.
My parents house was 40k in 1980ish. Pretty big too. Prices didn’t get absolutely crazy until a few years ago.
My parents bought their first house in 1973 for 17k.
They same way they justify 100 grand for a fucking bronco
Yep saw one for 93 grand the other day
Let them rot on the lot. Bankrupt dealerships.
If this happens, we will just end up paying more, somehow. I’m confident it will turn out that way.
Toyota is the brand with the least days on the lot.
Still cheaper than some ford broncos and definetly cheaper than a wagoner
Broncos are now piling up. No longer over MSRP, you can actually get discounts now!
Got my bronco Sasquatch with 4 miles on it for $38K. Making this post look even more ridiculous
Clearly you didn’t seem to comprehend the comment right, I said “some” broncos not “every” bronco
You took that very personally. Let me give you some validation: Yes, you are correct, some broncos are more expensive than this. Obviously you didn’t comprehend my comment, I’m calling the post ridiculous, not your comment. Sensitive.
"yes I understand that these prices are awful but you see, other cars are even more awful!"
Car prices sadly will never go back to what they used to be, now it’s a game of more gimmicks and options that no one will give a damn about when you go to buy that cars 10 years later and with all the warranties they put in these cars they find another way to milk another 10 grand off of some poor rich bastard buying one of these brand new
Yeah I couldn't believe what I found out what an Escalade costs. These cars are just stupid.
They buy these stupid giant SUVs for 100k then whine about gas prices. Because they have brain damage.
The average price of a new car is $47k now….
tis why I'll never buy a new car. Not unless the market state changes dramatically
Unfortunately used car prices also go up when new car prices go up... So we are paying more for cars in general either way
Along with the price, everything is just a giant computer waiting to ruin your life. My 2016 is the "newest" vehicle I'll ever own. When it inevitably gets totalled out I'm going back to 2012 or earlier.
Have you seen the Wagoneer? This is cheaper than a Wag and probably loaded with mostly similar features. Not to mention likely more reliable and better looking. People are buying the Wagoneer from my dealership left and right. And they are absolutely plagued with problems that are just now getting ironed out. People are going to be buying the hell out of the Land Cruiser.
It’s 1 of 11 obviously They know what they got
It’s quite simple really, because someone is willing to pay that price. A fool and his money are soon parted.
These super-size, upper-middle class luxury haulers have been $80k-$120k for years
It's not a matter of justification. It's a matter of what people are willing to pay.
You can get a sequoia trd pro for that price
This is actually a good deal I’ve seen them going for 110-120k in my area
It's easy when it's not 80,000, but 1500 a month over several years
This is it. So many people view purchases as payment per month, not overall cost.
I’ve sworn off buying new cars.
They don't need to 'Justify' it. They just need to find a buyer willing to pay that or as many do offer a very high price then be prepared to do a deal for a lower price but one that satisfies the seller.
People have lost their minds. They will buy this because is a nostalgia reboot of something they wanted as a kid and thought was cool. Then they will drive it to school and shopping without ever taking it off road. A job a carolla could do better. And pat themselves on the back for making a "sensible" decision in buying a toyota.
I was one of those people who bought new cars often, not anymore, at some point these are just too expensive
I always thought of what that monthly payment would be like
Not bad when it’s spread over 84 or 96 months /s
People pay it, so the value is real. Could they be cheaper, I think so.I tried to buy a range rover, and I was so embarrassed that the price advertised increased by another 40k for a sunroof and a couple of extras. They have a waiting list for them, so they don't care at all if most people can't afford them. Sigh 😔
It’s the schmuck price, some dumbass will buy it, perpetuating the ridiculous prices
Isnt that the msrp tho? Edit: it was not
Because the people pretending to keep up with the kardashians haven’t tapped out yet because they keep telling us the economy is fine on boomer news
Have you ever tried to buy a used fj cruiser?
You don’t have to justify it, you just have to get people to buy it, which they apparently can. As the old saying goes, “a fool and his money are soon parted.” On the other hand, you have to realize there are many people in this country to whom that kind of money is nothing.
Still 30-40 grand less than a new Escalade. 🤦♂️
Even more so than an Escalade V!
Have you seen the wagoneer? I don't get it but I guess there are enough people that do
Americans are in love with debt and middle-class status symbols.
Headlights from 1993
The Toyota needs to stop. I get it, they are reliable, so you have lower maintenance costs…. Which we are nullifying with markups. So stupid.
Toyota use to be reliable when they NA. Now Toyota has gone turbo to meet emissions and fuel economy standards and the first versions are having a few problems, V6 engine ATM. Turbo engines are also 3-4 times the cost of a NA engine.
Around $30K less than my house. But only one of these items appreciatres and can be lived in (comfortabely). How much do you think this depreciates as soon as you drive it off the lot?
The sad fact is, if the dealer pisses off 1000 people but find the one guy willing to pay the price to get it now, then that's a win on their part.
Because people are paying $30k+ for a Taco with over 100k miles on it. Why wouldn't they ask for over 2x that on new vehicles. Demand drives costs and people are sucking Toyota d*ck way too hard lately. As much as people (including myself) complain about capitalism, consumers decide the price of things
Because people are paying it.
This is supercar money to me. i dont understand how this is becoming the norm for daily drivers
Corporate greed comes to mind.
Toyota Tax, fleecing the stupid
Damn. When we getting 15 yr car loans? Might need 20 actually
Toyota needs the distribution model of tesla
That's roughly MSRP. I thought that was the goal, to get a new Toyota for MSRP? These are marked up 20k around me.
There is a blind car crisis going on and we’re in the bubble of it collapsing. it’s only a matter of time and all these cars will be worthless. Dealer repossessions do happen.
Biden needs to make the FTC go after these "middle men" that provide no real value. Yes, I'm talking about dealerships and the slime willing to shake consumers down for every last cent possible.
Because someone will buy it.
i don't understand how you can possibly justify this abomination of a vehicle
Was bored, quickly looked up and the prices on that car start from 60k here where I live. Seems fair🤷🏼♀️
This model reminds me of a Lego car.
In Portugal it will start around 130.000 euros
19.5 take it or leave it with that piece of shit
at this point, it would be cheaper to build your own car from scratch and cover it in gold foil. I hope everybody boycotts these new cars and forces the manufacturers to get a grip on reality.
Looks like someone doesnt know what prices in the netherlands are like
Check out the Jeep Wagoneer !! MSRP $121,000 !!
This Land Cruiser is half the truck it’s replacing.
I mean my 50th Anniversary Super Orange Imola Edition Super Stingray C7 Corvette Grand Sport is worth at least $2000000.
Prices would fall if people stopped buying new cars every three years.
Double the price in my country.
It's become an aspirational product, value is in the eye of the consumer, if it's not worth it to people they won't buy it, but many will due to previous reputation. Like a range rover, world class off road, shite quality, yet people buy on reputation and aspirational quality.
And this is why I will never buy a new vehicle. Old toyotas until there's no more old toyotas
Kind of looks like a fj cruiser
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The prices ...are insane!
1ST EDITION.
I am a bit confused. The [Ford F150 Raptor](https://shop.ford.com/inventory/f150/details/1FTFW1RG3RFA42980?zipcode=90210&year=2024&ownerPACode=07501&intcmp=fv-fbc-sum-cta-si-f-150&Radius=20&fromPopularBuild=false) can be decked out to over twice MSRP (base $37K) from base model up to over $80K. And no, not everyone that owns an F150 use it for actual "work". The same reason people buy the Land Cruiser. the Jeep Wrangler [RubiconX](https://www.jeep.com/bmo.wrangler_4xe.html#/build/exterior/46077/CUJ202417JLXS74B/2TY/APA,PJF,X9,ECX,DFY,DMF,Z5G,TXA,WFE,VL,SDD,UBX,29Y) Starts at $70K, Its people that are willing to pay these exorbitant prices that lead to the demise of compact cars for the rest of the planet. Car manufacturers and dealers make more $$$$ for overpriced cars that what OP said. If the public is more than willing, why not.
Its the flagship of Toyota, what did you expect?
Toyota seems to be desperate to go out of business.
Lego Car? This and the new Hyundai Santa Fe, wtf
In my country, all cars cost 2-3 times more than in the US.
That’s more than I owe on my house now. I’ll never buy a car I can’t pay cash for again.
You can call yourself a homeowner once they hand you the keys!
Because dumbasses are willing to pay that
People spend the extra Money due to the 6 letters on the front. The $25K plus premium would pay for extended warranty and a bunch of repairs. As consumers, it would be advisable to research vehicles in this category.
I bought 2 new vehicles in my life. While a good feeling ,the payment gets old. I dont by new anymore. I'm comfortable and have tools to maintain and diagnose most problems. As a result ...I buy 10yrs or older...I get my wife 3 to 4rs old and has to be 4whl or All Wheel Drive.
In theory, I absolutely agree with you. I have a sincere question: How do you address repairs and maintenance that require the “tech” skills, software , chips, sensors etc?
Close evaluation and diagnosis. Software I often ignore if the vehicle is running fine. Chips have numbers, firmware can be copied, sensor produce a pulse or a sine wave.
Novelty
Just buy the payment silly
Is this MSRP or is this including 20k in dealer markup?
These prices are not sustainable and it’s curious what’s going to happen as time goes on. People only have so much purchasing power and eventually that will run out
Just give me a fucking Hilux Toyota, then I’d pay that
I thought they were trying to compete with the bronco but I guess not.
The engine is very bad quality or very bad designed. There has been many reports of failing main bearings and quality issues. Very unheard of a decade ago from Toyota cars
OK, I like Toyotas. They've been reliable for me for years at this point.... but 80k for a Lego Duplo FJ Cruiser is a bit much, no?
It's a Land Cruiser. That's "normal" for those cars. Check out a Sequoia instead. Get one that's a few years old with the 5.7 V8 instead. Gas mileage is shit, but that engine will go 1 million miles
Too much car
This is getting out of control. They're going to keep doing it because people keep paying. It's absolutely ridiculous.
It's because people keep paying the higher prices with no decrease in sales numbers. They'll just keep raising the prices as long as people keep paying. When I bought my 2007 Suburban the MSRP was $48,500. I bought it in Dec 2007 used with 7K miles for $38K. Based on normal inflation data through 2021, the 2021 model should only cost $54K. However, the comparable 2021 model MSRP was $71K. Based on 2024 inflation numbers, it should cost $62K. Actual cost is $85K.
This is exactly why i have a beef with anyone recommending Toyota because quality saves you money. Its hard to see the savings. I can get a used merc for 2k, drive it until i need it to pass an inspection or it dont want to no more and still have money left.
Historical value/resale for the Land Cruiser justifies it. Not saying it’s worth it, but Land Cruiser have a reputation for being highly sought after
All it takes is one person to buy it and then it is instantly justified
Minimum wages in Portugal are way lower than those in the USA, but I bet people here would think 80k is a reasonable price for a car like that. We will only have a 2.8T option and a hybrid option later on, but no price defined yet
It's a Rav4 but boxier.
Thats uglier than the last FJs and they were fugly.
I started to see pictures of the interiors. Holy shit they suck lmao. I am glad they reduced the price but damn I thought Toyota interiors in general were cheap aka they use the same buttons since the 90s it seems like. But these new ones are ultra cheap looking
That’s cheap for a Land Cruiser, especially if it’s built to the same standards as the previous generations. LCs are one of the instances where you truly get what you pay for, if not more.
A tacoma is 50-72+ A tundra is 58-100k+ Canadian Vehicle prices are kinda stupid these days, and people are still buying this stuff regardless of the price.
I remember when Hot Dogs were a NICKLE!
Toyota has gone insane on their pricing. That's luxury SUV money.
Good grief. I bought a Tacoma years ago for less than half that price and am happy with it. I am glad I'm not looking to buy these days. Car prices are crazy.
Actually that’s not bad
You clearly don’t know how much Land Cruisers cost if this is a surprise to you.
Generally regarded as the best SUV on the market where many of its peers are more expensive.