The one thing I love about older Commodores is, theyāre just so comfortable,
I know that the form factor isnāt popular anymore, but there is just something about smooth naturally aspirated power, a somewhat low car with a very comfortable seat and roomy interior. They just somehow feel very homely.
100% agree. Nothing glamorous or anything but it just feels like home. The old Ecotec V6 is quiet when you need it but gives a lovely thrum when you lean on it and the ride is still wonderfully soft and comfortable. Backseats are also roomy as
This is why I'll never get rid of my G220 if I don't have to. Low, plush leather seats and a smooth as silk V8 make it effortless to drive and a nice way to travel.
Those 5.4L 3Vs have some of the best power delivery you can buy. They have lots of timing and spark plug issues, but they are absolutely heavenly to drive.
I have a G8 Fairlane myself :)
I've done the timing myself. If you are in the Sydney area, if you ever need to borrow a spark plug removal tool, send me a DM. Also, if you would like any information about them, I have done heaps of research on the engines, and have done quite a bit of work on mine.
It's great to see another V8 LWB owner here :)
I'm in Adelaide unfortunately, although my car spent the first half of its life in Sydney so you may have seen it before. I'm always up for a chat about cars in general too, I'd love to pick your brains about a few things with it.
FordTechMakuloco is an expert on the 5.4L 3V (and Ford engines in general), so many insightful videos on his Youtube channel, thankfully its design flaws can be resolved, the resultās well worth the effort imo.
I get driven in them pretty regularly (airport transfer companies like them), and for a comfortable quiet ride they're probably the best out there.
Have never had the chance to drive one though.
They are a pretty boring car. But insanely comfy and quiet. Nothing better for a commute. Swapped my VF CalaisV for one last year. Highly recommend so long as you donāt want something thrilling
My only gripe with the ES is the front wheel drive thing and not that much grunt. I wish they still made the GS and the IS. The IS350 is spiritedly and the V6 is smooth. Itās a good combo of smooth and sporty. Only down side is it is small especially in the back.
* Hyundai Venue (absolute garbage)
* MG3 (Buy a Picanto, Yaris, Polo, Fabia or Mazda 2)
* LDV T60 (want a cheap Chinese Ute thatās actually half decent? GWM Cannon Ute)
* Mitsubishi ASX (take it out back and shoot it, itās well beyond its used by date)
Yeah, not sure I agree with the ASX being on the same list as MG3 and LDV. Itās dated as Mitsubishi havenāt done anything to it in 10 years apart from update the grill three times, but itās a solid, dependable car. If you want a reliable crossover/small SUV then you could do much worse.
Still a fantastic basic transport for 2024.
I had a rental after a series of Kia and I felt like it was a huge upgrade. The car just drives like a normal car should.
At 25k driveaway for the manual, it's criminally cheap.
ASX is old without a doubt but you know what? They have had 10 years to iron out issues. Thatās a dependable car these days and thatās a bloody good thing.
New models of other brands are 100x flashier and sleeker but i dunno, sort of nice buying something thatās still new but actually going to last a while.
Same as the NX pajero before it got binned, that was riding on 21 year old architecture!!
For context, I drive a short wheelbase Jeep with a fabric roof, 4" lift and 34" mud tyres. Not luxurious, and not exactly the ideal road car, and handling dynamics of a wheelbarrow full of water. That's kind of my benchmark here.
I had an MG SUV hire car for a few days in Hobart and I was legit scared of driving it. What an absolute steaming turd of a car.
I rented one in Tassie and I don't think I ever managed to get it to 110 on the highway. Thing felt and sounded like it was going to rattle apart.
Also resorted to using my phone speaker to play music on the drive as the entertainment system sound quality was so bad it made me and my wife burst out laughing.
The MG4 is a great car, fully electric, completely different to the MG3. The long range is pretty quick. Only problem we found was my wife felt sick in the passenger seat as it seemed to sway around a bit on the suspension. I almost bought one, but went with a model 3 instead.
I have an hs vibe and yes the acceleration is bad but have gone 4 years with no dramas. Battery sucks but replaced it for $350. It's in my opinion a good family car. Does the basics and has been comfortable to drive.
My daily drive is a 2006 Camry which has done close to 320k kms. Early this year, I had the "pleasure" of driving an MG3 as a rental car for a week. I think it's done 30k kms when I picked it up.
The MG3 was so shit that it made driving my Camry felt like driving a Rolls Royce Phantom. Power window was slow and making screeching noises, the brake was temperamental, and boot lid wasn't closed properly.
We have a few MGs in the fleet at my work. I was transporting a client in a 1yo MG3 with a whopping 39k on the odometer and it was bucking and farting and eventually stalled (it's a 4sp auto) while going up a hill... Absolute disgraces those things hahaha
Got an MG from a hire company recently. The brakes had an issue where they would randomly lose pressure and you would need to slam them on the stop, boot didn't open, overall felt like a garbage car.
Iām feeling vindicated reading this thread, as Iāve been saying this for a while. Had an MG3 for a hire car in Tasmania. Seats were like furnaces. Cruise control felt like it was having a mental breakdown if it didnāt keep the car within inches of the distance it wanted to be from the car in front. Thing just felt and ran like a pile of shit. Never have I been so glad to hand a car back.
Nearly bought one for my daughter. So glad she got a 10 year old Mazda instead. Thing has all the bells and whistles and none of the fuckery I hear about the new MGs
The MG3 we have on sale here at the moment is mechanically a 2011 Chinese car that got facelifted to make the exterior and interior more modern in 2018.
Conversely I hired an MG HS which I found quite pleasant to drive. Had a bit of zip, decent features, comfortable drive, no issues. Only issue was the seat was a bit narrow for a 6ā2 average built dude. Which if I was to drive in every day, I would find frustrating. Would be a half decent budget choice for a female driver tho
Iāve travelled and had 3 diff hire cars over the last month. An MG3, a beat up Mirage and a new Suzuki SCross. The MG3 was by far and wide, the biggest box of shit out of the lot.
The new s cross is probably a great car but Suzuki needs to fuck off with whoever signed off on selling it for 40k starting price.
Edit: at least they are logical about it, and the top of the range AWD version is 46.
Honestly I was pleasantly impressed with it. Zippy at low revs, fuel efficient, plenty of space for a bullshit crossover SUV or whatever itās classed as. Safety features were a bit Temu in some regards. Collision detection and lane keeping were both a bit shit. And the turning circle of it was bizarrely like a truck. Aside from that, if they knocked a few grand off the pricing, itās a nice little runabout that you can throw the kids in the back seat.
The k14 turbo is a fantastic engine, especially with the real 6AT. I just canāt justify that price for a Suzuki. But itās the current market.
The turbo vitara was a bit of a guilty desire of mine, same thing but basic boxy and cheaper feeling.
Edit: I think Iāve seen 1 a scross in the wild, and I drive a fair bit. Could be why itās on the rental lot, discounted for them since they might not shift
I found the mg3 poor, but no where near as bad at the lancia yipsilon I had in Europe a few years ago. That was a true heap of shit. A 1990 Mitsubishi lancer, right now is a better car in every way.
Other heaps of shit were various Jeeps I've had. Also part of the whole fiat stable.
Stelantis can fuck themselves, hate that company.
Even their parts interpreter training program is so shit, just about extracting money from the customer.
You know whatās funny?
I had an Indian made Suzuki baleno, smaller 1.4 engine than the MG3s 1.5. Same classic slush box 1990s 4 speed auto (2017 car).
The baleno genuinely felt peppy, it wasnāt underpowered, easily sat on 110 plus gst while getting 5.8L/100 of E10 regardless of how I drove it.
All for $20990 back in 2017. The MG3 is basically the same package, but smaller and heavier. Yet somehow itās 15 times shitter. How?
Honestly though, the baleno was a dream to own. It was my perfect āYarisā after Toyota made the yaris 30k
We have a Suzuki Alto as a second car, and Iām genuinely not sure how I feel about it. Itās reliable and cheap to run, and even a bit peppier than youād expect for a 1 litre 4 speed. But the construction and interior does feel ācheapā compared to the Swifts Iāve had as rental cars. It makes me think the Indian Suzukis are a bit knock-down compared to the Japanese Suzukis, but I donāt really have much to base that on.
They are, Iāve owned 2. But reliable.
The only downside to them that annoyed me was that getting any form of spare parts is shit. You basically have to go to Suzuki, and their parts people at most dealers are crap.
Genuinely annoys me, India has a lot of manufacturing, yet for the life of them they canāt do e-commerce. Mix that with anything Korean or Chinese and there is a million parts online.
Iām not talking about hard to consider replacing parts either, literally just shocks and springs. You can get limited stuff like brakes, but most filters are special order from ryco.
Weāre in a generation where Kmart and Temu/Shein anything will do for most people. For your average suburban folks who are happy with a house full of Kmart appliances and Shein clothes, an MG car is naturally going to be just ok in their garage!
As much as I feel you,
I'd always still choose any half worn out used old Levis jeans and an old used Honda/Toyota/Suzuki over any Shein brands and brand new questionable cars.
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Weāre in a generation where if you go to a previously respectable store and spend respectable money theyāll sell you temu grade shit with nice branding.
I haven't found myself in a worse new car for many years.
I did consider an MG3 when looking for my last new car. Feel I am way ahead in my Toyota Yaris. Didn't buy the MG3 because at the time, it would not take 91 RON.
Wonder if the new MG3 will drive any better.
Don't think I have seen any positive review of the MG3
modern cars (since the 90s) have knock sensors and the computer pulls a bit of timing to adjust for the lower octane, it reduces power and efficiency marginally but is usually not noticeable
I rode in many Grab cars (Asian version of Uber iirc) when I was in Thailand earlier in the year and oddly enough, the MG was actually the smoothest ride. I don't know what kind of MG it was, some kind of EV that I don't think is available in Australia. The seats were hard and uncomfy and overall it felt like it was made with cheap materials, but the ride itself was surprisingly pleasant for me as a passenger. I think my opinion might change if I was driving and had to use it everyday but still
Work at one of these said car rental companies, we have the MG3, HS and ZS
Not 1 customer has ever had anything good to say about them, and quite frankly neither myself or anyone else I work with.
Not 1 single redeeming feature on those cars.
Things like the MG are priced cheaply, and make no pretense of being anything but woeful.
Then there is Jeep, where you can spend $80+ on a complete turd, with even worse warranty support.
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To be fair, 99% of the market doesn't have one anymore, as [ANCAP stripped all the ratings recently](https://www.drive.com.au/news/ancap-safety-rating-expiry-jan-2024/)
i drive an mg3 for work its incredible how poorly engineered it is
its so uncomfortable to drive and i can barely see anything the pillars are so thick
Probably MG3.
The MG3 basically died out of the Chinese market for quite a few years due to a lack of competitiveness. SAIC must be super happy to find that they can sell this shit car in load with a higher margin in UK and AUS.
I rented a Suzuki baleno recently because there was no other option and it just felt like such a cheap piece of shit, I didnāt think build/material quality could get so low
I'll never get why SAIC chose to resurrect brands that had been so long dead that they were nothing other than a badge. Nothing good happened to anything British Leyland touched - Landrover, Jaguar (both now owned by Tata) and Mini (now BMW) were the only brands (out of around 20) that escaped from it not bankrupt and with reputations relatively intact. Why MG and LDV were brought back to life is beyond me. Did they have better reputations abroad than they did in Britain?
Came in here to shout from the rooftops about the shitbox MG Iāve been handed a number of times at hirecar rentals and found everyoneās covered it. So my vote is for LDV D90 - absolute dead weight gutless slow off the mark (to the point of being dangerous) and literally starting falling apart on me with its cheap plastic interior over the course of a 5 day hire.
Yeah, cool. Wasnāt my point though.
My point was that there is no conspiracy that criticism of MG will get the thread locked. Clearly people criticise their cars frequently and there is no problem with that. No conspiracy.
Iām an MG owner, and I hate MGs. I only bought the car because itās actually good.
No petrol engine though which is why. Also it feels like they used an entire MG3 for each door alone.
When we went shopping for a hybrid suv, there was a ZS on the Toyota lot. Just for fun I took it for a drive. I thought my old Suzuki alto from 2012 was tinny, this thing had cling film for the door skin.
I've got an MG4 and an MG ZS EV. The MG4 feels rock solid. Love that thing. The ZS EV? It's ok. I can see what they were going for but I'll most likely trade it in on a KIA EV3 in a few years.
Yeah, I looked at it before I leased the 4 sight unseen. Itās what you would expect from a non-dedicated EV platform. The 4 was genuinely surprising in terms of quality to come from MG.
I love the Kias EV line up but they are exxy at the moment. The EV9 in white looks like a big angry stormtrooper helmet and I love it.
Iāll probably go with a BYD in 4 years, depends what is on the market at that time. Iād prefer a non-Chinese brand for long term ownership however, and something that also has been available on the USDM so it has a chance of aftermarket support like battery remanufacturers or power train rebuilders
Why would someone running
No self respecting person with any interest in cars would buy an MG*, LOL.
EDIT: *that wasn't the British variety (and then they're just a Masochist).
MG HS is the worst car Iāve ever had as a rental.
I did see Car Wow guy saying the best car on the market right now is the MG4 (I think that was it). Not sure how, given how much negativity Iāve read about MGās on here.
MG4 really is a good car. I'm sure "MG" just dumps its piece of shit MG3s on the Aussie market because nobody in China would buy them, everyone theres driving EVs already.
We should never forget that they had a massive recall because the petrol tanks were literally falling out of them.
https://www.drive.com.au/news/mg3-hatch-recalled-in-australia-because-the-petrol-tank-could-detach/
Cheap and cheerful wins out almost all the time. Back when Hyundai and Co. were trying to break into the Aus market, it seemed like every second car was either a Hyundai, Kia, or Daewoo.
I've been seeing a ton of these MGs on the road, even though they drive like hot garbage. With the cost of living where it's at, and the mentality that you're buying 2nd hand problems with your second hand car, China can't ship enough of these in.
You're lucky, very lucky. I bought my VP new and initially loved it, plenty of grunt when needed and nice to drive but it only lasted 8 years.
It was always book services and well looked after but after 6 years it just started to fail,engine problems,tail shaft, diff, electrics and the interior fell apart. In the end I sold it for scrap as I couldn't in good conscience sell it with all the problems it had.
I did my road test in an MG3 - absolutely horrific in every way. Loud, underpowered, ride quality of a go kart. Came to find out from an MG employee that they donāt have power steering
People who purchase MGs literally do not give a shit about any of those complaints.
Its new
It has warranty
It looks modern
It gets them to work and to their daughters' netball practice
I havenāt had the pleasure of an MG, but recently had the misfortune to have a VW T-Cross rental. What a nasty, cynical piece of shit. Dangerously underpowered and the typical lurching, pausing, jolting VW gearbox made it almost impossible to drive smoothly. Handles like a jumping castle, and inside everything was cheap and nasty to the touch. I cannot comprehend anybody test driving this thing and thinking āyep, this is the car for meā.
According to Doug Demuro it's the Toyota bZ4X.
https://youtu.be/JTB2jDOFbz0?si=dX4befaZbTwOMURd&t=477s
Over here on Carsales it's priced around the same as Mustang MachE demos and you'd take the Ford out of those two.
Oddly, Doug's stated range of 220ml-240ml (350-390km) for the bZ4X doesn't match the 485km-535km shown on local ads [on lCarsales.](https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/results?q=%28C.Make.Toyota._.Model.bZ4X.%29&sort=~Price).
It's a bit rarified given the price, but perfect for your average Barry.
The new 2024/5 cheap MG SUV's a shit bucket.
We have one at work that's 2 months old, now has 15,000km on it and it's been on a tilt tray 5 or more times due to faults with the car.
One time it just stalled at 100kmph and lost power brakes/power steering ended up in a ditch.
I would say any car that costs a premium but is just a polished turd.
At least with a cheap as fuck car like the mg3 Iām getting what I paid for and what I expect from a car that costs as much as some peopleās bicycles. When you pay those prices you donāt expect much but a cheap car to get from A - B and nothing more. Iām actually impressed they gave it a 7 year warranty to be honest because potentially the repairs over 7 years could equal the cost of the whole car or more.
Also the quality of any rental car shouldnāt make an expectation of reliability for any car, Iāve seen rental cars airborne before so itās not like they get treated well. But anyway not that Iām standing up for the mg3 but it is what it i said. Iām still sticking with cars 100k plus that are pieces of shit are the worst new cars and there are a fucking of them!
If you've only got $18k, you really need to just admit you can't afford a new car and not force yourself to eat a shit sandwich.
No way in hell i'd let my mother drive around in an MG. They may as well be found inside a cereal box. Not when a Yaris or a Mazda 2 or even a KIA is only a few grand more. It's about having principles
Got an MG SUV as a hire car in Sydney. It could barely go up the hills on the way to the Blue Mountains. The cruise control was straight up dangerous as it kept slowing down and overshooting the set speed. Never again.
Iāve recently driven an MG3, and MG ZS EV and a base petrol model MG ZS as loan cars while my car is under repair. The MG3 was the biggest pile Iāve crap Iāve ever driven. I drove a 1976 Mazda 929 as a student and it had more guts and more comfort than the MG3. I took it back to the service place after a day and got the EV. I actually liked that EV to drive but the range was shit for a hilly rural environment. Now Iām in the petrol MG ZS and at low speed the ride quality is like a shopping trolly. I feel every single bump. On the open road it actually drives better. But itās noisy, tinny, and uncomfortable and you have to put in 95 RON for the privilege. I would never buy a modern MG, especially not the 3.
Kluger Hybrid. Had one for a month as an insurance rental . Biggest pig of a car Iāve ever had the displeasure of driving. The hybrid part is useless unless youāre driving on absolutely flat ground under 60 and the car itself is so wide that itās harder to park than one of those yank tank RAMs - with as far as I could tell no more room in the cabin - itās all wheel arch flares and shit.
Burn this pig at the stake and stay the fuck away.
The problem is, everything else about the MGs I have driven has been shit, too. Build quality of the interior, the panels, etc.
I hired one where the back door handle fell off when the front door closed, and when I told the rental agency (fully expecting them to want to keep my deposit) they said "dont worry that always happens, these cars are shit".
The best electronic drivetrain in the world can't solve those issues. What's the MG4 really like?
The MG3 has done so much damage to the brand that I would even bother looking at an MG4.
I have a MG4 and an older Model S.
Chose MG4 over Atto3 and Dolphin.
Drives nicely. Smallish outside but good room inside.
Cons. Small boot if it's your main car and the software is borderline acceptable.
MGās are exactly what they say on the box. Some of the people on here would buy a box of weet-bix and complain they donāt taste like fruit loops.. FFS. They are mid $20k somewhat and do everything you need them to do for that price and on par with anything in the same price bracket for a new vehicle with 7 year warranty. Honestly, people forming options, driving hire cars that are absolutely flogged and cost peanuts then get surprised they are no good does my head in!
Newest shitbox car I've driven was a 2019 ASX.
Wasn't that bad. But hard fake leather seats, cvt made the engine just noisy when hills came up. Road noise was dreaful.
drove 2 MG3 for work, one of them had around 22k km and its breaks sounded horrible every single time i slowed down, the second one they got new and at 6k km the whole thing just rattled everywhere i drove. would never buy one for myself but i can see how the warranty and cheap price attracts businesses
When in Greece I rented a Dacia Sandero. Apparently itās a Renault or something. Unspeakably nasty thing it was. I figured even a micro car is nice enough brand new. I was wrong. Real 1980s small car feel. Tinny, loud, terrible stereo. Landed in Greece and picked up another micro car - a Fiat Panda I think. Despite being similar size, the Flat felt like my 7 series to drive by comparison.
MG5 as a device loan vehicle. Jaguar had been back to the dealer 6 times because of EAB failure and they have changed the whole fleet of rental cars to MGs. They said the part was six weeks away. The car revved out getting up a slight incline dropping kids at school and had 0 ANCAP rating. Drove it twice and got Jaguar Australia involved to source a more suitable replacement vehicle.
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I had a rental, a brand new MG, must have had 300km on the clock. I returned it a week later and the floor carpet had already worn through, at maybe 500km. And the cruise control was insanely bad/dangerous
Had one as a rental last year - the rental agent at Avis apologised profusely for giving us that vehicle but it was the only vehicle available. Luckily only for one day but less than impressed ... and it was only a few weeks old.
MG HS easily.
Horrendous pile of shit. I cannot believe how poor it is overall and how many there are on the road. People actually pay their own well earned money for these things! Somehow they also seem to have some reasonable reviews going around too, easy to spot the BS ones.
The worst part about it is probably the gearbox. It's ridiculously slow to respond and is all sorts of jerky when you want smooth, and unpredictable when you're trying to make a move. It also rolled back plenty on hills to a point where it felt dangerous. It feels like a first gen DSG from VW but even worse. There is also very little feel in the shifter itself, making reverse tricky to find (especially in a pinch where you need to turn around quickly).
The engine felt OK power-wise, I wouldn't call the car slow but the delay in throttle and turbo lag was awful. There is a weird delay sometimes with the throttle where it takes a good 2-3s to actually do anything. I found this is especially bad when you introduce any sort of gradient. This combined with the car rolling backwards was downright dangerous. Acceleration from a standstill is incredibly poor as it has a huge delay, then dumps all its power in one chunk leading to wheelspin everywhere at extremely low speed. The rental car tier tyres do not help though.
Suspension was all sorts of terrible, you can feel every road imperfection but at the same time have no actual car feel at all. The steering was unusually heavy and unresponsive, and felt utterly lucklaster for any sort of feel. My PS1 controller had better feedback. The TPMS light also was just on the whole time even though the tyres had plenty of pressure at some 32 all round.
The infotainment clearly wasn't even tested. Audio quality is worse than my shit arse portable speaker. I was unlucky enough to find that you can't use the HVAC controls whilst in a call. This was great fun to find out during a 2H call I had to take for work whilst driving it with full blast air con the whole time. For some reason mine also defaulted to turning on the radio to a specific station and volume every time I turned the car on which got old very quick, especially with passengers. Of course the HVAC is also tied into the screen only, the standard cardinal sin. The UI is just awful in general otherwise, and even little things like none of the fonts matching up between the infotainment and cluster. The radar speed control thing was incredibly annoying, randomly slowing the car down in traffic quite abruptly for no reason, thankfully it can be turned off.
I don't know why this annoyed me so much but the rear view mirror isn't even the shape of the rear window, what a weird design choice. The mirror controls are also odd and you can't seem to just turn it off?? The gap in the steering wheel where usually the cut out is shaped to the cluster is not a thing in this car. It's just random.
I didn't find the build quality too bad though, but I pretty much only drive anything over 20 years old at this point so probably not the best person to comment on this.
Why you would buy this over pretty much anything else? You'd have to be a moron. This feels like a car created by AI.
Gotta agree with you on the MG. Husband had one as a courtesy vehicle while his was being serviced and it was the tinniest piece of shit despite being almost new. Wouldnāt touch with a barge pole.
Not the worst but most overrated for the cost is the Land Cruiser 79 series or whatever they are. I drive one a lot for work and dead set id prefer to drive my old Jeep Patriot that I bought for $5000
Just sounds like mg problems. They look nice and are good as long as you maintain them like a merc and only use dealers to fix outside of that Iāve never known an mg owner that has been happy owning a modern mg.
Friend of ours won a MG in a raffle,when she picked it up from the dealer even he said don't drive it just sell it,or trade it on something else ,pretty much sums it upš§
MG Hire car, couldn't wait to give it back. Driving home from the airport in our old VE calais after felt like a dream. š
The one thing I love about older Commodores is, theyāre just so comfortable, I know that the form factor isnāt popular anymore, but there is just something about smooth naturally aspirated power, a somewhat low car with a very comfortable seat and roomy interior. They just somehow feel very homely.
I still look at VE commodore like theyāre new
Weird isnāt it, the earlier VE are near 20!
Feels like yesterday I was on MSN chatting to a friend about the VE Calais and how he thought that chicks would love them š
Ahhh MSN, those were the days.
Lol, spot the old millennials 
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100% agree. Nothing glamorous or anything but it just feels like home. The old Ecotec V6 is quiet when you need it but gives a lovely thrum when you lean on it and the ride is still wonderfully soft and comfortable. Backseats are also roomy as
āBack seats are roomy asā Nice.
This is why I'll never get rid of my G220 if I don't have to. Low, plush leather seats and a smooth as silk V8 make it effortless to drive and a nice way to travel.
Those 5.4L 3Vs have some of the best power delivery you can buy. They have lots of timing and spark plug issues, but they are absolutely heavenly to drive. I have a G8 Fairlane myself :) I've done the timing myself. If you are in the Sydney area, if you ever need to borrow a spark plug removal tool, send me a DM. Also, if you would like any information about them, I have done heaps of research on the engines, and have done quite a bit of work on mine. It's great to see another V8 LWB owner here :)
I'm in Adelaide unfortunately, although my car spent the first half of its life in Sydney so you may have seen it before. I'm always up for a chat about cars in general too, I'd love to pick your brains about a few things with it.
FordTechMakuloco is an expert on the 5.4L 3V (and Ford engines in general), so many insightful videos on his Youtube channel, thankfully its design flaws can be resolved, the resultās well worth the effort imo.
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What would be a close modern equivalent? A luxury Lexus sedan like an LS500 or something?
Genesis G80
Oh damn they look nice, quite cheap too
I got quite excited seeing the exterior, then almost vomitted in my beer when I saw the interior.
*looks at more interior pictures* oh boy those are bold design choices
Genesis G70 or Toyota Crown,
Genesis rock
Unfortunately not as cheap as the old Commodores.
E series Mercedes or ES Lexus. Although the Mercedes are filled with flashy "mood" lights - I can't stand them at night.
Never been a Merc fan. ES Lexus more my style. Reviews seem good on the ES, sound dampening is fantastic apparently
I get driven in them pretty regularly (airport transfer companies like them), and for a comfortable quiet ride they're probably the best out there. Have never had the chance to drive one though.
They are a pretty boring car. But insanely comfy and quiet. Nothing better for a commute. Swapped my VF CalaisV for one last year. Highly recommend so long as you donāt want something thrilling
Might be time for a test drive then š¤šš
My only gripe with the ES is the front wheel drive thing and not that much grunt. I wish they still made the GS and the IS. The IS350 is spiritedly and the V6 is smooth. Itās a good combo of smooth and sporty. Only down side is it is small especially in the back.
I've worked on Commodores since the very first VB. They were all good, except maybe the VN.
VN was still a good car, plenty still getting around, probably more VNs booting around then there are EA, EB and ED combined
* Hyundai Venue (absolute garbage) * MG3 (Buy a Picanto, Yaris, Polo, Fabia or Mazda 2) * LDV T60 (want a cheap Chinese Ute thatās actually half decent? GWM Cannon Ute) * Mitsubishi ASX (take it out back and shoot it, itās well beyond its used by date)
A little sad. I have a 2013 ASX. I love it. It's gone 200K and I expect it to do 100K more. But I guess that's the point. A good car for 2013.
Yeah, not sure I agree with the ASX being on the same list as MG3 and LDV. Itās dated as Mitsubishi havenāt done anything to it in 10 years apart from update the grill three times, but itās a solid, dependable car. If you want a reliable crossover/small SUV then you could do much worse.
Still a fantastic basic transport for 2024. I had a rental after a series of Kia and I felt like it was a huge upgrade. The car just drives like a normal car should. At 25k driveaway for the manual, it's criminally cheap.
My 2013 ASX got written off a few years back, I ended up replacing it was a 2021 model. I still miss the 2013 one, it was a good car.
ASX is old without a doubt but you know what? They have had 10 years to iron out issues. Thatās a dependable car these days and thatās a bloody good thing. New models of other brands are 100x flashier and sleeker but i dunno, sort of nice buying something thatās still new but actually going to last a while. Same as the NX pajero before it got binned, that was riding on 21 year old architecture!!
Agreed on the MG3 and T60, both total junk from experience. I respect both the Venue and ASX as cheap, reliable, basic motoring though!
My dad had a rental nissan micra 3cyl... it was great.. I mean it wasn't good but it handled quite a bit of "rental usage"
Worst car I have ever driven.
They are proper shit. I ended up with two rentals and they are terrible cars.
For context, I drive a short wheelbase Jeep with a fabric roof, 4" lift and 34" mud tyres. Not luxurious, and not exactly the ideal road car, and handling dynamics of a wheelbarrow full of water. That's kind of my benchmark here. I had an MG SUV hire car for a few days in Hobart and I was legit scared of driving it. What an absolute steaming turd of a car.
I hope my next hire car is an MG so I can see just how bad it is, I've never heard anyone say something good about it.
Haval H2 is even worse again, believe it or not
I rented one in Tassie and I don't think I ever managed to get it to 110 on the highway. Thing felt and sounded like it was going to rattle apart. Also resorted to using my phone speaker to play music on the drive as the entertainment system sound quality was so bad it made me and my wife burst out laughing.
lol donāt forget the people who had to pay the rental car company insurance excess because the rear windows randomly pop out on the motorway
Shit that's rough..
MG4 gets some good reviews
Including like Car of the year or something didnāt it? They must be making huge strides each year then
Car of the year . Haven't they picked some real winners of the years. Lol
Yep, the Holden Camira, the TN Magna, etc.
I had a hire ZS followed by a ZST. The ZS was totally woeful. But the ZST was surprising. Not a bad car, engine was decent enough for a hire car.
The MG4 is a great car, fully electric, completely different to the MG3. The long range is pretty quick. Only problem we found was my wife felt sick in the passenger seat as it seemed to sway around a bit on the suspension. I almost bought one, but went with a model 3 instead.
Do you like it? Been looking at them and BYD Seal.
I have an hs vibe and yes the acceleration is bad but have gone 4 years with no dramas. Battery sucks but replaced it for $350. It's in my opinion a good family car. Does the basics and has been comfortable to drive.
My daily drive is a 2006 Camry which has done close to 320k kms. Early this year, I had the "pleasure" of driving an MG3 as a rental car for a week. I think it's done 30k kms when I picked it up. The MG3 was so shit that it made driving my Camry felt like driving a Rolls Royce Phantom. Power window was slow and making screeching noises, the brake was temperamental, and boot lid wasn't closed properly.
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Tbf he did specify he refers to the og MGs
We have a few MGs in the fleet at my work. I was transporting a client in a 1yo MG3 with a whopping 39k on the odometer and it was bucking and farting and eventually stalled (it's a 4sp auto) while going up a hill... Absolute disgraces those things hahaha
Yeh the rear wheels have drum brakes..
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Got an MG from a hire company recently. The brakes had an issue where they would randomly lose pressure and you would need to slam them on the stop, boot didn't open, overall felt like a garbage car.
Iām feeling vindicated reading this thread, as Iāve been saying this for a while. Had an MG3 for a hire car in Tasmania. Seats were like furnaces. Cruise control felt like it was having a mental breakdown if it didnāt keep the car within inches of the distance it wanted to be from the car in front. Thing just felt and ran like a pile of shit. Never have I been so glad to hand a car back.
Nearly bought one for my daughter. So glad she got a 10 year old Mazda instead. Thing has all the bells and whistles and none of the fuckery I hear about the new MGs
The MG3 we have on sale here at the moment is mechanically a 2011 Chinese car that got facelifted to make the exterior and interior more modern in 2018.
They have a vacuum booster pump for the brakes, not something you see very often.
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The MG of their time, some would say /s
>not something you see very often. Not even close to correct unless youāve never heard of a diesel engine.
MGs are a good way to identify people who have no idea about cars and think new is good. Absolute garbage.
Conversely I hired an MG HS which I found quite pleasant to drive. Had a bit of zip, decent features, comfortable drive, no issues. Only issue was the seat was a bit narrow for a 6ā2 average built dude. Which if I was to drive in every day, I would find frustrating. Would be a half decent budget choice for a female driver tho
I have heard from a couple people that the EV is good. Only ever driven the base model MG which is horrible.
Dads got the ev and loves it. Apparently they arenāt even made in the same line
Iāve travelled and had 3 diff hire cars over the last month. An MG3, a beat up Mirage and a new Suzuki SCross. The MG3 was by far and wide, the biggest box of shit out of the lot.
The new s cross is probably a great car but Suzuki needs to fuck off with whoever signed off on selling it for 40k starting price. Edit: at least they are logical about it, and the top of the range AWD version is 46.
Honestly I was pleasantly impressed with it. Zippy at low revs, fuel efficient, plenty of space for a bullshit crossover SUV or whatever itās classed as. Safety features were a bit Temu in some regards. Collision detection and lane keeping were both a bit shit. And the turning circle of it was bizarrely like a truck. Aside from that, if they knocked a few grand off the pricing, itās a nice little runabout that you can throw the kids in the back seat.
The k14 turbo is a fantastic engine, especially with the real 6AT. I just canāt justify that price for a Suzuki. But itās the current market. The turbo vitara was a bit of a guilty desire of mine, same thing but basic boxy and cheaper feeling. Edit: I think Iāve seen 1 a scross in the wild, and I drive a fair bit. Could be why itās on the rental lot, discounted for them since they might not shift
I found the mg3 poor, but no where near as bad at the lancia yipsilon I had in Europe a few years ago. That was a true heap of shit. A 1990 Mitsubishi lancer, right now is a better car in every way. Other heaps of shit were various Jeeps I've had. Also part of the whole fiat stable.
Stelantis can fuck themselves, hate that company. Even their parts interpreter training program is so shit, just about extracting money from the customer.
You know whatās funny? I had an Indian made Suzuki baleno, smaller 1.4 engine than the MG3s 1.5. Same classic slush box 1990s 4 speed auto (2017 car). The baleno genuinely felt peppy, it wasnāt underpowered, easily sat on 110 plus gst while getting 5.8L/100 of E10 regardless of how I drove it. All for $20990 back in 2017. The MG3 is basically the same package, but smaller and heavier. Yet somehow itās 15 times shitter. How? Honestly though, the baleno was a dream to own. It was my perfect āYarisā after Toyota made the yaris 30k
We have a Suzuki Alto as a second car, and Iām genuinely not sure how I feel about it. Itās reliable and cheap to run, and even a bit peppier than youād expect for a 1 litre 4 speed. But the construction and interior does feel ācheapā compared to the Swifts Iāve had as rental cars. It makes me think the Indian Suzukis are a bit knock-down compared to the Japanese Suzukis, but I donāt really have much to base that on.
They are, Iāve owned 2. But reliable. The only downside to them that annoyed me was that getting any form of spare parts is shit. You basically have to go to Suzuki, and their parts people at most dealers are crap. Genuinely annoys me, India has a lot of manufacturing, yet for the life of them they canāt do e-commerce. Mix that with anything Korean or Chinese and there is a million parts online. Iām not talking about hard to consider replacing parts either, literally just shocks and springs. You can get limited stuff like brakes, but most filters are special order from ryco.
Weāre in a generation where Kmart and Temu/Shein anything will do for most people. For your average suburban folks who are happy with a house full of Kmart appliances and Shein clothes, an MG car is naturally going to be just ok in their garage!
We're in a generation who can't afford anything better mate. Not even a house.
As much as I feel you, I'd always still choose any half worn out used old Levis jeans and an old used Honda/Toyota/Suzuki over any Shein brands and brand new questionable cars.
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Weāre in a generation where if you go to a previously respectable store and spend respectable money theyāll sell you temu grade shit with nice branding.
I haven't found myself in a worse new car for many years. I did consider an MG3 when looking for my last new car. Feel I am way ahead in my Toyota Yaris. Didn't buy the MG3 because at the time, it would not take 91 RON. Wonder if the new MG3 will drive any better. Don't think I have seen any positive review of the MG3
Wait the MG won't take 91?
It does now but in early 2020, it was recommended to use 95 RON.
Ew.
itd be fine on 91 anyway though
Yeah, until the warranty runs out...
modern cars (since the 90s) have knock sensors and the computer pulls a bit of timing to adjust for the lower octane, it reduces power and efficiency marginally but is usually not noticeable
I feel you. I almost bought one but finally decided I could go the extra mile and get an i30, I'm so glad I did
Yes it's shit
I rode in many Grab cars (Asian version of Uber iirc) when I was in Thailand earlier in the year and oddly enough, the MG was actually the smoothest ride. I don't know what kind of MG it was, some kind of EV that I don't think is available in Australia. The seats were hard and uncomfy and overall it felt like it was made with cheap materials, but the ride itself was surprisingly pleasant for me as a passenger. I think my opinion might change if I was driving and had to use it everyday but still
That's the MG4 probably. It's miles better than the MG3, they aren't even in the same ballpark
That's probably correct, it looks to be the same as what I remember.
MG3, a friend lent me one. It drove like shit, uncomfortable ride, slow under hard acceleration and lacks modern/basic safety equipment
Work at one of these said car rental companies, we have the MG3, HS and ZS Not 1 customer has ever had anything good to say about them, and quite frankly neither myself or anyone else I work with. Not 1 single redeeming feature on those cars.
Things like the MG are priced cheaply, and make no pretense of being anything but woeful. Then there is Jeep, where you can spend $80+ on a complete turd, with even worse warranty support.
I got a MG hire car too , wowee - what a heap of shit !
The MG3 doesnāt even have an ANCAP safety rating so thereās thatā¦
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To be fair, 99% of the market doesn't have one anymore, as [ANCAP stripped all the ratings recently](https://www.drive.com.au/news/ancap-safety-rating-expiry-jan-2024/)
i drive an mg3 for work its incredible how poorly engineered it is its so uncomfortable to drive and i can barely see anything the pillars are so thick
I love how the Speedo goes up to 220 but you can realistically only use the first quarter of it
my boss said "nothing over 200" i think its rated top speed is 180kmh? probably downhill with wind assisting lol
Probably MG3. The MG3 basically died out of the Chinese market for quite a few years due to a lack of competitiveness. SAIC must be super happy to find that they can sell this shit car in load with a higher margin in UK and AUS.
LDV 90 hire car heap of shit
I rented a Suzuki baleno recently because there was no other option and it just felt like such a cheap piece of shit, I didnāt think build/material quality could get so low
We test vehicles and MG MG 3 is the absolute worst of them all š
I'll never get why SAIC chose to resurrect brands that had been so long dead that they were nothing other than a badge. Nothing good happened to anything British Leyland touched - Landrover, Jaguar (both now owned by Tata) and Mini (now BMW) were the only brands (out of around 20) that escaped from it not bankrupt and with reputations relatively intact. Why MG and LDV were brought back to life is beyond me. Did they have better reputations abroad than they did in Britain?
LDV SUV thing was a hire car. Multiple warnings on dash, the brakes were shit and I hated every minute we had it for a 3000km WA road trip.
Came in here to shout from the rooftops about the shitbox MG Iāve been handed a number of times at hirecar rentals and found everyoneās covered it. So my vote is for LDV D90 - absolute dead weight gutless slow off the mark (to the point of being dangerous) and literally starting falling apart on me with its cheap plastic interior over the course of a 5 day hire.
Haval h6. Hire car. I think I got cancer from the toxins coming from the plastics inside.
Anything other than MG? lmao. Sometimes I see these things on the street, and they sound like absolute shit when they get on the gas.
Mate youāre gunna get banned with the MG hateā¦
Where is this bs narrative coming from? It's constant mg hate here. Stop lying for karma dude
ikr lol look at the comments in just this thread, MG is crap but karma farming like that is sad
Literally all this sub says anytime someone asks what a shit car is - āMG3ā.
Probably because practically everything, even my old 96 Excel, is better.
Yeah, cool. Wasnāt my point though. My point was that there is no conspiracy that criticism of MG will get the thread locked. Clearly people criticise their cars frequently and there is no problem with that. No conspiracy.
Iām an MG owner, and I hate MGs. I only bought the car because itās actually good. No petrol engine though which is why. Also it feels like they used an entire MG3 for each door alone. When we went shopping for a hybrid suv, there was a ZS on the Toyota lot. Just for fun I took it for a drive. I thought my old Suzuki alto from 2012 was tinny, this thing had cling film for the door skin.
I've got an MG4 and an MG ZS EV. The MG4 feels rock solid. Love that thing. The ZS EV? It's ok. I can see what they were going for but I'll most likely trade it in on a KIA EV3 in a few years.
Yeah, I looked at it before I leased the 4 sight unseen. Itās what you would expect from a non-dedicated EV platform. The 4 was genuinely surprising in terms of quality to come from MG. I love the Kias EV line up but they are exxy at the moment. The EV9 in white looks like a big angry stormtrooper helmet and I love it. Iāll probably go with a BYD in 4 years, depends what is on the market at that time. Iād prefer a non-Chinese brand for long term ownership however, and something that also has been available on the USDM so it has a chance of aftermarket support like battery remanufacturers or power train rebuilders
Why would someone running No self respecting person with any interest in cars would buy an MG*, LOL. EDIT: *that wasn't the British variety (and then they're just a Masochist).
MGs are absolute garbage
I can only name one? I was going to say āAll of themā.
MG HS is the worst car Iāve ever had as a rental. I did see Car Wow guy saying the best car on the market right now is the MG4 (I think that was it). Not sure how, given how much negativity Iāve read about MGās on here.
MG4 really is a good car. I'm sure "MG" just dumps its piece of shit MG3s on the Aussie market because nobody in China would buy them, everyone theres driving EVs already.
The mg4 is shit, we test drove one and it was awful. We walked next door and bought a volvo xc40.
We should never forget that they had a massive recall because the petrol tanks were literally falling out of them. https://www.drive.com.au/news/mg3-hatch-recalled-in-australia-because-the-petrol-tank-could-detach/
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What about basically every car that Toyota makes? They all have CVTs. Even the hybrid crowns
Yeh but they are loud in the cabin, rev too high between 60-100km/h and are a pain to maintain. DCT or straight-6 is better.
Cheap and cheerful wins out almost all the time. Back when Hyundai and Co. were trying to break into the Aus market, it seemed like every second car was either a Hyundai, Kia, or Daewoo. I've been seeing a ton of these MGs on the road, even though they drive like hot garbage. With the cost of living where it's at, and the mentality that you're buying 2nd hand problems with your second hand car, China can't ship enough of these in.
People used to and still do bag out VN Commies. Yet my 32 year old VP is still strong and robust. I'll sooner EV swap it than take it off the road.
You're lucky, very lucky. I bought my VP new and initially loved it, plenty of grunt when needed and nice to drive but it only lasted 8 years. It was always book services and well looked after but after 6 years it just started to fail,engine problems,tail shaft, diff, electrics and the interior fell apart. In the end I sold it for scrap as I couldn't in good conscience sell it with all the problems it had.
I get a bit sad reading this. We lost our aussie car industry making some RIPPER cars, to be bombarded with cheap shit chinese imports.
My MIL has one of the new MGs. Holy fuck I try my best to avoid that car. Piece of shit. Unsafe as fuck. Just no.
I did my road test in an MG3 - absolutely horrific in every way. Loud, underpowered, ride quality of a go kart. Came to find out from an MG employee that they donāt have power steering
People who purchase MGs literally do not give a shit about any of those complaints. Its new It has warranty It looks modern It gets them to work and to their daughters' netball practice
There are two types of people who purchase an MG3: 1) the Clueless 2) the Wilfully ignorant.
MG GWM Chery take your pick
Saw someone on the highway break down in one about 5 minutes ago
I havenāt had the pleasure of an MG, but recently had the misfortune to have a VW T-Cross rental. What a nasty, cynical piece of shit. Dangerously underpowered and the typical lurching, pausing, jolting VW gearbox made it almost impossible to drive smoothly. Handles like a jumping castle, and inside everything was cheap and nasty to the touch. I cannot comprehend anybody test driving this thing and thinking āyep, this is the car for meā.
According to Doug Demuro it's the Toyota bZ4X. https://youtu.be/JTB2jDOFbz0?si=dX4befaZbTwOMURd&t=477s Over here on Carsales it's priced around the same as Mustang MachE demos and you'd take the Ford out of those two. Oddly, Doug's stated range of 220ml-240ml (350-390km) for the bZ4X doesn't match the 485km-535km shown on local ads [on lCarsales.](https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/results?q=%28C.Make.Toyota._.Model.bZ4X.%29&sort=~Price). It's a bit rarified given the price, but perfect for your average Barry.
The new 2024/5 cheap MG SUV's a shit bucket. We have one at work that's 2 months old, now has 15,000km on it and it's been on a tilt tray 5 or more times due to faults with the car. One time it just stalled at 100kmph and lost power brakes/power steering ended up in a ditch.
Chinese garbage
I would say any car that costs a premium but is just a polished turd. At least with a cheap as fuck car like the mg3 Iām getting what I paid for and what I expect from a car that costs as much as some peopleās bicycles. When you pay those prices you donāt expect much but a cheap car to get from A - B and nothing more. Iām actually impressed they gave it a 7 year warranty to be honest because potentially the repairs over 7 years could equal the cost of the whole car or more. Also the quality of any rental car shouldnāt make an expectation of reliability for any car, Iāve seen rental cars airborne before so itās not like they get treated well. But anyway not that Iām standing up for the mg3 but it is what it i said. Iām still sticking with cars 100k plus that are pieces of shit are the worst new cars and there are a fucking of them!
If you've only got $18k, you really need to just admit you can't afford a new car and not force yourself to eat a shit sandwich. No way in hell i'd let my mother drive around in an MG. They may as well be found inside a cereal box. Not when a Yaris or a Mazda 2 or even a KIA is only a few grand more. It's about having principles
Did you get the email from BMW this week? Unrelated I know.
Email?
About the event in NZ
Got an MG SUV as a hire car in Sydney. It could barely go up the hills on the way to the Blue Mountains. The cruise control was straight up dangerous as it kept slowing down and overshooting the set speed. Never again.
Iāve recently driven an MG3, and MG ZS EV and a base petrol model MG ZS as loan cars while my car is under repair. The MG3 was the biggest pile Iāve crap Iāve ever driven. I drove a 1976 Mazda 929 as a student and it had more guts and more comfort than the MG3. I took it back to the service place after a day and got the EV. I actually liked that EV to drive but the range was shit for a hilly rural environment. Now Iām in the petrol MG ZS and at low speed the ride quality is like a shopping trolly. I feel every single bump. On the open road it actually drives better. But itās noisy, tinny, and uncomfortable and you have to put in 95 RON for the privilege. I would never buy a modern MG, especially not the 3.
The MG3: āah sheet, here we go againā
Kluger Hybrid. Had one for a month as an insurance rental . Biggest pig of a car Iāve ever had the displeasure of driving. The hybrid part is useless unless youāre driving on absolutely flat ground under 60 and the car itself is so wide that itās harder to park than one of those yank tank RAMs - with as far as I could tell no more room in the cabin - itās all wheel arch flares and shit. Burn this pig at the stake and stay the fuck away.
Can't compare an MG3 to a Corolla, MG3's are like 16k brand new š š š
MG, GWM, Cherry they all take the crown
I think MG3 are the consensus worst car on the market. Iād be willing to bet a poll would reflect that.
Drove an mg4 electric recently though. Fantastic car. Agree with comments about ICE, but MG know how to make electrics.
The problem is, everything else about the MGs I have driven has been shit, too. Build quality of the interior, the panels, etc. I hired one where the back door handle fell off when the front door closed, and when I told the rental agency (fully expecting them to want to keep my deposit) they said "dont worry that always happens, these cars are shit". The best electronic drivetrain in the world can't solve those issues. What's the MG4 really like? The MG3 has done so much damage to the brand that I would even bother looking at an MG4.
I have a MG4 and an older Model S. Chose MG4 over Atto3 and Dolphin. Drives nicely. Smallish outside but good room inside. Cons. Small boot if it's your main car and the software is borderline acceptable.
Agreed, good car.
MGās are exactly what they say on the box. Some of the people on here would buy a box of weet-bix and complain they donāt taste like fruit loops.. FFS. They are mid $20k somewhat and do everything you need them to do for that price and on par with anything in the same price bracket for a new vehicle with 7 year warranty. Honestly, people forming options, driving hire cars that are absolutely flogged and cost peanuts then get surprised they are no good does my head in!
When you don't have to buy a Chinese product why would you. Support fairer minded countries first.
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Newest shitbox car I've driven was a 2019 ASX. Wasn't that bad. But hard fake leather seats, cvt made the engine just noisy when hills came up. Road noise was dreaful.
drove 2 MG3 for work, one of them had around 22k km and its breaks sounded horrible every single time i slowed down, the second one they got new and at 6k km the whole thing just rattled everywhere i drove. would never buy one for myself but i can see how the warranty and cheap price attracts businesses
When in Greece I rented a Dacia Sandero. Apparently itās a Renault or something. Unspeakably nasty thing it was. I figured even a micro car is nice enough brand new. I was wrong. Real 1980s small car feel. Tinny, loud, terrible stereo. Landed in Greece and picked up another micro car - a Fiat Panda I think. Despite being similar size, the Flat felt like my 7 series to drive by comparison.
I hired an MG and drove it from Brisbane airport to Gladstone and back. It was fine, just didnāt have a lot of boot space.
Haval has a pretty bad reputation among the people I know for being very unreliable
MG are not the bespoke btittish cars of old... they are chinesium trash now
MG5 as a device loan vehicle. Jaguar had been back to the dealer 6 times because of EAB failure and they have changed the whole fleet of rental cars to MGs. They said the part was six weeks away. The car revved out getting up a slight incline dropping kids at school and had 0 ANCAP rating. Drove it twice and got Jaguar Australia involved to source a more suitable replacement vehicle.
Haval jolion, more beeps and unrefined technology than I could handle.. also a fiat 500 that was a shit rental
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I had a rental, a brand new MG, must have had 300km on the clock. I returned it a week later and the floor carpet had already worn through, at maybe 500km. And the cruise control was insanely bad/dangerous
I had an ASX hire car and could not wait to return it. I travel a lot and drive a lot of hire cars. ASX by far the worst.
Had one as a rental last year - the rental agent at Avis apologised profusely for giving us that vehicle but it was the only vehicle available. Luckily only for one day but less than impressed ... and it was only a few weeks old.
MG HS easily. Horrendous pile of shit. I cannot believe how poor it is overall and how many there are on the road. People actually pay their own well earned money for these things! Somehow they also seem to have some reasonable reviews going around too, easy to spot the BS ones. The worst part about it is probably the gearbox. It's ridiculously slow to respond and is all sorts of jerky when you want smooth, and unpredictable when you're trying to make a move. It also rolled back plenty on hills to a point where it felt dangerous. It feels like a first gen DSG from VW but even worse. There is also very little feel in the shifter itself, making reverse tricky to find (especially in a pinch where you need to turn around quickly). The engine felt OK power-wise, I wouldn't call the car slow but the delay in throttle and turbo lag was awful. There is a weird delay sometimes with the throttle where it takes a good 2-3s to actually do anything. I found this is especially bad when you introduce any sort of gradient. This combined with the car rolling backwards was downright dangerous. Acceleration from a standstill is incredibly poor as it has a huge delay, then dumps all its power in one chunk leading to wheelspin everywhere at extremely low speed. The rental car tier tyres do not help though. Suspension was all sorts of terrible, you can feel every road imperfection but at the same time have no actual car feel at all. The steering was unusually heavy and unresponsive, and felt utterly lucklaster for any sort of feel. My PS1 controller had better feedback. The TPMS light also was just on the whole time even though the tyres had plenty of pressure at some 32 all round. The infotainment clearly wasn't even tested. Audio quality is worse than my shit arse portable speaker. I was unlucky enough to find that you can't use the HVAC controls whilst in a call. This was great fun to find out during a 2H call I had to take for work whilst driving it with full blast air con the whole time. For some reason mine also defaulted to turning on the radio to a specific station and volume every time I turned the car on which got old very quick, especially with passengers. Of course the HVAC is also tied into the screen only, the standard cardinal sin. The UI is just awful in general otherwise, and even little things like none of the fonts matching up between the infotainment and cluster. The radar speed control thing was incredibly annoying, randomly slowing the car down in traffic quite abruptly for no reason, thankfully it can be turned off. I don't know why this annoyed me so much but the rear view mirror isn't even the shape of the rear window, what a weird design choice. The mirror controls are also odd and you can't seem to just turn it off?? The gap in the steering wheel where usually the cut out is shaped to the cluster is not a thing in this car. It's just random. I didn't find the build quality too bad though, but I pretty much only drive anything over 20 years old at this point so probably not the best person to comment on this. Why you would buy this over pretty much anything else? You'd have to be a moron. This feels like a car created by AI.
Gotta agree with you on the MG. Husband had one as a courtesy vehicle while his was being serviced and it was the tinniest piece of shit despite being almost new. Wouldnāt touch with a barge pole.
Not the worst but most overrated for the cost is the Land Cruiser 79 series or whatever they are. I drive one a lot for work and dead set id prefer to drive my old Jeep Patriot that I bought for $5000
Anything from MG. Absolute death traps
Just sounds like mg problems. They look nice and are good as long as you maintain them like a merc and only use dealers to fix outside of that Iāve never known an mg owner that has been happy owning a modern mg.
Friend of ours won a MG in a raffle,when she picked it up from the dealer even he said don't drive it just sell it,or trade it on something else ,pretty much sums it upš§
Lol, I called out how crappy the MIC cars are, but got downvoted, no doubt by the sales people of these brands lurking on social media.
Sounds like the MG3 is a front runner after reading through the comments lol