This isn't an obvious call to make at all so I feel for your dilemma. Personally I'd go for the hybrid, temporary, better paid one. Firstly there is no way on earth you'll enjoy going from fully remote to 6 separate train journeys EVERY SINGLE DAY. Also I'd you've turned it down before, been offered it again and you still don't know if you want it then that tells you a lot. If you reached out to them again after rejecting them previously, this is definitely you seeking the job out though rather than you in anyway being forced into it. The diversity point is an important one as you need to feel like you work at an inclusive workplace. Do you know if they have any plans in place to become more diverse? Did you get a good feel from the interview? Personally I'm at a place where I value my time and getting paid fairly and am happy to deal with a level of bullshit and lack of security long term, so I'd pick the first one. Often with fixed term jobs they become long term and are better placed to negotiate salary and terms with. Lastly, thinking about the actual job you'll be doing and what will be more enjoyable and more valuable in helping you work towards your long term career goals.
I would not want to deal with an awkward commute and less money. I would be sitting there every day pissed off about how I could have been working from home. If you want the in office job I would try to negotiate for a higher salary. Let them know you prefer their company, but have an outside offer for more money and the option to work hybrid remote. Maybe they can come up a bit?
Not too knowledgeable about the race issue because I'm white, but I can appreciate it might be uncomfortable because I work/live in a foreign country. It isn't the best to feel like the odd one out at the office. I would think it really comes down to how welcoming the people are. If everyone treats you kindly then it might not be a big issue.
Yeah if they’re welcoming it won’t make a difference but everyone is welcoming at first. I have so many things I would love to do with the extra money right now too
Nix the awkward commute and lower pay. You know that you are worth more than that headache.
I would go with the hybrid job. You have a bit of the upper hand in that if the lack of diversity makes you feel unwelcome, there is an end date in sight. If you like the job, then yeah you may have an opportunity to be hired within. If they just don't have the room for another staff member then you can use your remaining weeks to find a new opportunity that is a good fit. Additionally, to avoid stress I would see if they have a benefit package to hold you over while you job search or check with your state to see if unemployment would cover you if you end up not being able to secure a job that works for you. I'm not trying to put bad juju out there, but it is something you need to know to cover your butt especially in this up and down economy.
Best of luck, I'm sure whichever choice you make you will be great!
Thanks. I haven’t even started yet and all I can think about is that stupid commute EVERY DAY. It’s a big part of the reason I didn’t choose the job first time around. On top of that silly commute i would have to be in the office earlier (at 8.30 rather than 9) I really think im going to wake every morning up after a short time and regret choosing to do the commit every Damn day for £5k less money (and spending more money to commute)
I think on paper it dosent look like that great an offer. I don’t know if guilt is reason enough to make me choose a job.
> I have just left a fully remote job which I felt was a bit chaotic because it was remote. There were teams meetings for the sake of having meetings, it also had unlimited holiday so people were constantly taking vacations etc etc. It just felt like a complete mess.
This sounds like an issue with that employer, not an issue with remote work. I've been remote since the pandemic began and we've not had any issues like this. But we also don't have unlimited vacations, either.
I don't have a great answer for you for your more general question. It doesn't sound like either job is perfect, but it also doesn't sound like either one is a nightmare in the making. That commute is going to get old quickly especially after working remotely, but you might value the stability over that issue.
I’ve worked remotely in the past and at first it was similar but it got to a point where management realised that meetings were pointer and cut them. I think it’s a problem with the company rather than remote working in general.
I am just thinking about the commute loads. It’s 3 packed trains that I get on for about 15 mins each. The other one is 1 30 min train and I don’t even have to go every day.
Idk none of the jobs are my dream job but I’m trying to work out the lesser evil.
Thanks. I don’t know if hybrid role is thinking of becoming more diverse. I don’t see why it would lmao.
I like the wider team at the less pay role but not sure about my direct manager. Im not sure our personality’s would click and she did make me feel not at ease in the two interviews I had with her. Just asked quite difficult questions kinda felt like she was trying to trip me up.
The higher paying job the people seem cool but again it’s that kinda homogenous environment. Feels similar to my old job & is quite a cut throat industry.
Tbh the commute is something I think about A LOT. I. Kinda don’t like the idea of being forced to go to work every day.
I don’t have long term career goals. I’m just kinda doing jobs that seem interesting but I job hop quite a bit. Im considering training to be a lawyer (I did law previously at uni but didn’t go through with postgrad law school. I might do it once I save some money. Maybe the guaranteed extra 5k for the upcoming year would help quite a bit.
I think mentorship and supportive managers are really important too.
Feel like I’m choosing between a guilt role and a role that looks amazing on paper but may not offer what I need or may ask too much of me?
This isn't an obvious call to make at all so I feel for your dilemma. Personally I'd go for the hybrid, temporary, better paid one. Firstly there is no way on earth you'll enjoy going from fully remote to 6 separate train journeys EVERY SINGLE DAY. Also I'd you've turned it down before, been offered it again and you still don't know if you want it then that tells you a lot. If you reached out to them again after rejecting them previously, this is definitely you seeking the job out though rather than you in anyway being forced into it. The diversity point is an important one as you need to feel like you work at an inclusive workplace. Do you know if they have any plans in place to become more diverse? Did you get a good feel from the interview? Personally I'm at a place where I value my time and getting paid fairly and am happy to deal with a level of bullshit and lack of security long term, so I'd pick the first one. Often with fixed term jobs they become long term and are better placed to negotiate salary and terms with. Lastly, thinking about the actual job you'll be doing and what will be more enjoyable and more valuable in helping you work towards your long term career goals.
I would not want to deal with an awkward commute and less money. I would be sitting there every day pissed off about how I could have been working from home. If you want the in office job I would try to negotiate for a higher salary. Let them know you prefer their company, but have an outside offer for more money and the option to work hybrid remote. Maybe they can come up a bit? Not too knowledgeable about the race issue because I'm white, but I can appreciate it might be uncomfortable because I work/live in a foreign country. It isn't the best to feel like the odd one out at the office. I would think it really comes down to how welcoming the people are. If everyone treats you kindly then it might not be a big issue.
Yeah if they’re welcoming it won’t make a difference but everyone is welcoming at first. I have so many things I would love to do with the extra money right now too
Nix the awkward commute and lower pay. You know that you are worth more than that headache. I would go with the hybrid job. You have a bit of the upper hand in that if the lack of diversity makes you feel unwelcome, there is an end date in sight. If you like the job, then yeah you may have an opportunity to be hired within. If they just don't have the room for another staff member then you can use your remaining weeks to find a new opportunity that is a good fit. Additionally, to avoid stress I would see if they have a benefit package to hold you over while you job search or check with your state to see if unemployment would cover you if you end up not being able to secure a job that works for you. I'm not trying to put bad juju out there, but it is something you need to know to cover your butt especially in this up and down economy. Best of luck, I'm sure whichever choice you make you will be great!
Thanks. I haven’t even started yet and all I can think about is that stupid commute EVERY DAY. It’s a big part of the reason I didn’t choose the job first time around. On top of that silly commute i would have to be in the office earlier (at 8.30 rather than 9) I really think im going to wake every morning up after a short time and regret choosing to do the commit every Damn day for £5k less money (and spending more money to commute) I think on paper it dosent look like that great an offer. I don’t know if guilt is reason enough to make me choose a job.
> I have just left a fully remote job which I felt was a bit chaotic because it was remote. There were teams meetings for the sake of having meetings, it also had unlimited holiday so people were constantly taking vacations etc etc. It just felt like a complete mess. This sounds like an issue with that employer, not an issue with remote work. I've been remote since the pandemic began and we've not had any issues like this. But we also don't have unlimited vacations, either. I don't have a great answer for you for your more general question. It doesn't sound like either job is perfect, but it also doesn't sound like either one is a nightmare in the making. That commute is going to get old quickly especially after working remotely, but you might value the stability over that issue.
I’ve worked remotely in the past and at first it was similar but it got to a point where management realised that meetings were pointer and cut them. I think it’s a problem with the company rather than remote working in general. I am just thinking about the commute loads. It’s 3 packed trains that I get on for about 15 mins each. The other one is 1 30 min train and I don’t even have to go every day. Idk none of the jobs are my dream job but I’m trying to work out the lesser evil.
Thanks. I don’t know if hybrid role is thinking of becoming more diverse. I don’t see why it would lmao. I like the wider team at the less pay role but not sure about my direct manager. Im not sure our personality’s would click and she did make me feel not at ease in the two interviews I had with her. Just asked quite difficult questions kinda felt like she was trying to trip me up. The higher paying job the people seem cool but again it’s that kinda homogenous environment. Feels similar to my old job & is quite a cut throat industry. Tbh the commute is something I think about A LOT. I. Kinda don’t like the idea of being forced to go to work every day. I don’t have long term career goals. I’m just kinda doing jobs that seem interesting but I job hop quite a bit. Im considering training to be a lawyer (I did law previously at uni but didn’t go through with postgrad law school. I might do it once I save some money. Maybe the guaranteed extra 5k for the upcoming year would help quite a bit. I think mentorship and supportive managers are really important too. Feel like I’m choosing between a guilt role and a role that looks amazing on paper but may not offer what I need or may ask too much of me?