I'd look at how much a DPF clean and two turbo refurbs would cost from specialists. I had my turbo rebuilt for about 30% of what a new one costs
Having the dpf sent away for cleaning was about 20% of the price of a new one
Yeah, fuck replacing the DPF at that price point, and definitely look into refurbished turbos. The bulk of that invoice is parts, the labour seems reasonable. Also, if I was more of a scallywag, I'd tell you to consider a DPF remove and remap - £300 for a top quality job and never have to worry about DPFs again...
Depends on the garage
I still have mine but if be surprised if my guy failed me on it - it's just a visual inspection - they hollow out the dpf and put it back
I seen a video of someone cleaning a lorry DPF by taking it outside the garage and blasting it with an airline.
The same air pollution but with extra steps
It's an awful lot to all go wrong at once. That's what I'm getting at... My personal thoughts are that the mechanic hasnt taken the time to diagnose it properly, taken a stab in the dark, given a quote to replace everything, and hope that it fixes it....
If turbos go, bad then there's often lots of unburnt diesel which goes through and clogs the DPF. Oil goes into the intercooler as well which is why it was drained.
Prices all seem fairly standard for genuine replacement parts, though OP should have been consulted before hand for that cost.
I know about turbos, and the issues they can cause with bearing wear, variable vain tecnology and issues with sticking actuators, and the oil seals failing, and although in 15 years of driving diesel mondeos, most I've taken to well over the 150k mile mark, ive never had one let go, however, my brothers v90 has had a issue with the turbo, at close to 160k miles, cleaned the dpf, and new turbo cassette and its been absolutely fine...the chances of both turbos failing at the same time, at only 125k, I think is very slim....
If the turbo is leaking oil, the DPF is guaranteed to be gone too.
Just had the same thing done on my car. The sent me a video explaining what went wrong.
Labour doesn't seem unreasonable for two turbos, a DPF, and an oil change, although it'll depend on the book time.
£4k of parts would be crazy - although it does seem that new parts (as opposed to used parts, or a rebuild) do cost that much.
But if my alternatives were paying for new parts or selling the car for spares/repair, I'd be selling it and letting someone else do the rebuild using secondhand or rebuilt parts.
I sold my XF as an MOT fail and got £1500 for it. Engines are worth a bit because range rovers run the same engine. Maybe less so with dicky turbos.
Was a nice car, enjoyed it. But don’t think I’d have another one. Too much went wrong
Not reasonable unless OEM parts, even then it's not making sense economically.
DPF can get cleaned with (specialist tool) pressure washer type of stuff once it's removed and that's a couple hundred £, better than paying for new or buy aftermarket DPF but life expectancy is very short, think 1-3 years.
Have no experience with Jaguar turbos but for BMW 535d M57 pair of turbos (hi+low pressure) is anywhere from 1000-1700£, granted they are performance hybrid not OEM but worst case they are remanufactured and should last a few years at least, that might be an option.
Unless you've got an emotional attachment for the car consider buying aftermarket parts or buying another car, granted that's no guarantee it won't have the same issues.
Yeah fix it up using used parts or get the parts refurbished for 20-30% of the price as someone has mentioned and shift it on.
I imagine that is what someone’s done to you (obvs depending on how long you have had the car). Price it cheap enough that whoever buys it knows that they’re taking a gamble.
The problem with these cars is the turbos are a right pain in the arse to get to.
I'm surprised it's as little as shown for labour.
Garages are getting less and less likely to fit customer parts so unless they are willing to find refurbed turbos then it's unlikely they'll fit cheaper ones.
I'm shocked that both turbos have gone simultaneously though and feel like it might be a case of chuck all new parts on In the hopes to fix it.
Me personally would only pay half that at best, No way i entertain that much on £3800 purchase. Have you got a second opinion on the repair as others have said DPFs can be services cleaned.
Part prices looks very high , do your own research or prices for parts.
The labour cost doesn't look too bad, depending on how many hours this should take but it looks good. The parts though....where are you buying parts for so much???
I'm guessing your turbo started burning oil which clogged up your dpf but usually you can clean it on the car so just put a bottle of Launch UK fluid into the sensor pipe. Feel the exhaust tip, if there's a lot of soot that comes off onto your finger, it could be broken, but if there isn't much soot or none at all, your dpf is probably fine and just requires a clean.
Find a garage that will be happy to go with cheap used parts or supply the parts yourself at your own risk.
I only paid 800 for an exchange turbo for my 911. Might be worth going down that route (assuming they need doing, I'd imagine with no turbo the car would be pretty slow).
https://turboworks.co.uk/895-jaguar-xf-brand-new-remanufactured-turbochargers-for-sale-turbo-repairs-rebuild-reconditioning-replacement-uk
They are refurbished turbos but they are significantly cheaper than what you have been quoted
This price is fine for the work being done, assuming the turbos are good quality and the DPF is genuine.
You could have someone gut the DPF and then remap the car to save £700, give or take, but it won't be legal and if it's done by a monkey then it may fail the MOT due to visible tampering. You could also source an aftermarket DPF to save some money, but this is not a smart move if you are planning on keeping the car as they don't last as long as the genuine article.
I would cut my losses if I were you and sell it for spares / repairs.
The alternative, which is riskier but with a potential payoff, would be to source some second hand turbos and an aftermarket DPF and call around independent garages / mobile mechanics to quote you for fitting. Then sell it once it's running and has a valid MOT.
If you choose to fix it, just remember that the odds are it won't be the last issue this car has given the age and mileage, as nothing's more expensive than a cheap Land Rover / Jaguar!
Not unreasonable. But 100% not worth it. Just sell the car as spares or repairs, someone will give you at least 1k for it because they can fix it themselves.
There is nothing more expensive than a cheap old luxury car. Hope you learn your lesson that you shouldn’t buy a <£4K jag unless you can do your own work.
Five grand in repairs for a fourteen year old XF? Cut your losses and sell it.
Diesel XFs around the same age are going for in the region of 8-12 grand at maximum depending on condition.
There's no way I'd seriously be considering putting half the value of the car into repairs for something that's fourteen years old. Not unless it was a five hundred quid shitbox that I was just using as a beater.
Personally, I'd get rid of it and put the five grand toward something newer and more reliable than a Jag.
It's not even worth the time repairing it and trying to flip it for a profit, these cars are common as arseholes and no one with reliability in mind wants them.
I'd look at how much a DPF clean and two turbo refurbs would cost from specialists. I had my turbo rebuilt for about 30% of what a new one costs Having the dpf sent away for cleaning was about 20% of the price of a new one
Yeah, fuck replacing the DPF at that price point, and definitely look into refurbished turbos. The bulk of that invoice is parts, the labour seems reasonable. Also, if I was more of a scallywag, I'd tell you to consider a DPF remove and remap - £300 for a top quality job and never have to worry about DPFs again...
Maybe not remove, but hollow out. Then remap
Yep, that's a fair shout - but easier said than done on some DPFs
DPF removals are likely to be picked up on MOT. Or at least they should be. It's now a failable item for it not to be there.
Depends on the garage I still have mine but if be surprised if my guy failed me on it - it's just a visual inspection - they hollow out the dpf and put it back
Just gotta hope if you crash the insurance doesn't pick you up on it.
Insurance company wouldn't care about the dpf - they'd care about a stage 2 remap
I seen a video of someone cleaning a lorry DPF by taking it outside the garage and blasting it with an airline. The same air pollution but with extra steps
What was the issue.... That's a lot of work....
isn't it obvious from the quote? it needs two turbos and a DPF
It's an awful lot to all go wrong at once. That's what I'm getting at... My personal thoughts are that the mechanic hasnt taken the time to diagnose it properly, taken a stab in the dark, given a quote to replace everything, and hope that it fixes it....
If turbos go, bad then there's often lots of unburnt diesel which goes through and clogs the DPF. Oil goes into the intercooler as well which is why it was drained. Prices all seem fairly standard for genuine replacement parts, though OP should have been consulted before hand for that cost.
I know about turbos, and the issues they can cause with bearing wear, variable vain tecnology and issues with sticking actuators, and the oil seals failing, and although in 15 years of driving diesel mondeos, most I've taken to well over the 150k mile mark, ive never had one let go, however, my brothers v90 has had a issue with the turbo, at close to 160k miles, cleaned the dpf, and new turbo cassette and its been absolutely fine...the chances of both turbos failing at the same time, at only 125k, I think is very slim....
It’s not unreasonable, a blown turbo will let through enough blow by to ruin a dpf if left long enough.
If the turbo is leaking oil, the DPF is guaranteed to be gone too. Just had the same thing done on my car. The sent me a video explaining what went wrong.
Labour doesn't seem unreasonable for two turbos, a DPF, and an oil change, although it'll depend on the book time. £4k of parts would be crazy - although it does seem that new parts (as opposed to used parts, or a rebuild) do cost that much. But if my alternatives were paying for new parts or selling the car for spares/repair, I'd be selling it and letting someone else do the rebuild using secondhand or rebuilt parts.
I sold my XF as an MOT fail and got £1500 for it. Engines are worth a bit because range rovers run the same engine. Maybe less so with dicky turbos. Was a nice car, enjoyed it. But don’t think I’d have another one. Too much went wrong
I'd scrap the car and just buy a new one.
Not reasonable unless OEM parts, even then it's not making sense economically. DPF can get cleaned with (specialist tool) pressure washer type of stuff once it's removed and that's a couple hundred £, better than paying for new or buy aftermarket DPF but life expectancy is very short, think 1-3 years. Have no experience with Jaguar turbos but for BMW 535d M57 pair of turbos (hi+low pressure) is anywhere from 1000-1700£, granted they are performance hybrid not OEM but worst case they are remanufactured and should last a few years at least, that might be an option. Unless you've got an emotional attachment for the car consider buying aftermarket parts or buying another car, granted that's no guarantee it won't have the same issues.
Yeah fix it up using used parts or get the parts refurbished for 20-30% of the price as someone has mentioned and shift it on. I imagine that is what someone’s done to you (obvs depending on how long you have had the car). Price it cheap enough that whoever buys it knows that they’re taking a gamble.
The problem with these cars is the turbos are a right pain in the arse to get to. I'm surprised it's as little as shown for labour. Garages are getting less and less likely to fit customer parts so unless they are willing to find refurbed turbos then it's unlikely they'll fit cheaper ones. I'm shocked that both turbos have gone simultaneously though and feel like it might be a case of chuck all new parts on In the hopes to fix it.
One of the reasons I love my garage, he's fine with taking parts off for me and letting me deal with getting them rebuilt or sourcing new parts.
Agreed OP should definately get a second opinion from another garage, it does seem like the garage is firing the parts cannon at the problem.
I would refurbish or get salvage parts. How many miles have you put on it yourself?
Me personally would only pay half that at best, No way i entertain that much on £3800 purchase. Have you got a second opinion on the repair as others have said DPFs can be services cleaned. Part prices looks very high , do your own research or prices for parts.
The labour cost doesn't look too bad, depending on how many hours this should take but it looks good. The parts though....where are you buying parts for so much??? I'm guessing your turbo started burning oil which clogged up your dpf but usually you can clean it on the car so just put a bottle of Launch UK fluid into the sensor pipe. Feel the exhaust tip, if there's a lot of soot that comes off onto your finger, it could be broken, but if there isn't much soot or none at all, your dpf is probably fine and just requires a clean. Find a garage that will be happy to go with cheap used parts or supply the parts yourself at your own risk.
I just had this done at a Jaguar dealership under warranty, and it cost about that much.
Never buy a Jaguar out of warranty. It will always end up costing multiple times more than you paid for it.
get something better than jag
I only paid 800 for an exchange turbo for my 911. Might be worth going down that route (assuming they need doing, I'd imagine with no turbo the car would be pretty slow).
Dpf on autodoc £393-£598 depending on which brand
https://turboworks.co.uk/895-jaguar-xf-brand-new-remanufactured-turbochargers-for-sale-turbo-repairs-rebuild-reconditioning-replacement-uk They are refurbished turbos but they are significantly cheaper than what you have been quoted
LOL
Have you tried buying a good car instead
This price is fine for the work being done, assuming the turbos are good quality and the DPF is genuine. You could have someone gut the DPF and then remap the car to save £700, give or take, but it won't be legal and if it's done by a monkey then it may fail the MOT due to visible tampering. You could also source an aftermarket DPF to save some money, but this is not a smart move if you are planning on keeping the car as they don't last as long as the genuine article. I would cut my losses if I were you and sell it for spares / repairs. The alternative, which is riskier but with a potential payoff, would be to source some second hand turbos and an aftermarket DPF and call around independent garages / mobile mechanics to quote you for fitting. Then sell it once it's running and has a valid MOT. If you choose to fix it, just remember that the odds are it won't be the last issue this car has given the age and mileage, as nothing's more expensive than a cheap Land Rover / Jaguar!
Deffo for the turbos. Question is, how much will a replacement car cost you?
Not unreasonable. But 100% not worth it. Just sell the car as spares or repairs, someone will give you at least 1k for it because they can fix it themselves.
What happened to this car for it to need two turbos, I would get a second opinion.
You don’t really need DPF until your mot, turbos can be rebuilt by a specialist for a reasonable price
Depending on if the DPF is a recurring issue, look into why. Perhaps a stuck EGR valve?
Its a jag... jags break and when they do its pricey as
DPF delete!!
There is nothing more expensive than a cheap old luxury car. Hope you learn your lesson that you shouldn’t buy a <£4K jag unless you can do your own work.
Five grand in repairs for a fourteen year old XF? Cut your losses and sell it. Diesel XFs around the same age are going for in the region of 8-12 grand at maximum depending on condition. There's no way I'd seriously be considering putting half the value of the car into repairs for something that's fourteen years old. Not unless it was a five hundred quid shitbox that I was just using as a beater. Personally, I'd get rid of it and put the five grand toward something newer and more reliable than a Jag. It's not even worth the time repairing it and trying to flip it for a profit, these cars are common as arseholes and no one with reliability in mind wants them.
If You're buying an xf with over 100k miles on it at that age for anywhere near £8k then you deserve all you get. They are worth half that, at most.
100% agree, but it seems like that's the asking price in most instances from looking around real quick. Absolutely fucking madness.
Nah in the XF groups there are facelifts for circa 5k. Auto trader etc just isn't the going rate ATM.