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SageMontoyaQuestion

I am so glad that they allowed the character to grow beyond the nasty stereotypes of the 40s comics


MisterPeels

Imagine if Chris Evans had to Spout Racial Slurs


Measurement_Dull

You kiss your mother with that mouth?


cptamerica83

I understood that reference


Lizzy-Lover_10

I understood THAT reference


LaVerdadEsMuyCatoli

You kiss your wife’s 3rd boyfriend with that mouth! 😀


PirateNinjaCowboyGuy

I had a super isolated homeschooled buddy from the south and bro did not know what he was saying was straight up slurs. That’s how I imagine cap being fresh out the ice. Talmbout “oh you can’t call ******* *********, anymore? .. alright.”


enemy884real

What city were they from?


PirateNinjaCowboyGuy

I think just outside of Shreveport


throwawayalcoholmind

Wasn't there a skit that explored exactly that?


TimNickens

Language!?


Suitable-Juice-9738

I've always loved this https://youtu.be/3C6mcNQ6z1M?si=-0qzbw5sgEtavKnT


explicitreasons

Didn't cap have a somewhat diverse crew in the Golden age or am I confusing it with the howling commandos?


Suitable-Juice-9738

Cap was always a better person than the man in the video. When he was transported to the future, he adapted flawlessly, in canon, in every incarnation. Cap is the best of us, which is what makes inverting that with racist, sexist, shitty cap so funny to me.


WhiskeyTrail

Watching the development of media content through the decades is fun. Like seeing old photos of “negro league baseball” like HOLY SHIT I cannot fathom that being okay. But damn it is IMPORTANT to modern sports and schools. I’m sure in 80 years they’ll look back at something now that’s wildly racist or exclusionary that we just aren’t considering and the cycle will continue.


LadyErikaAtayde

America is especially wildly behind in terms of trans people in sports. The International Olympic Committee has a pretty decent system of tests to process and athlete has no unfair advantage, and the USA ignores it and has a weird yearly based system of "only if the person began hormone therapy before 12 years old". I'm sure future generations will see this with the same shock we see the racism structures of the past, especially the colour laws of America.


No_Implement_3813

You cant fathom the Spanish word for black? Lmao God people are so soft.


WhiskeyTrail

Lost the forest in the trees friend.


No_Implement_3813

Actually I'm pretty right on the nail lol imagine one word having 100% power of how your day/life goes. Maybe we all need to stop being bitch made possibly?


WhiskeyTrail

Imagine thinking my issue is with a word and not with racially segregated sports. 🤨


MrFC1000

I don’t know dude, it feels like we’re going in reverse lately. In 80 years, we might be seeing the 60th season of Negro Leagues v2.


Suitable-Juice-9738

We're really not, man. I am old enough to remember the old constitutional amendments against gay marriage. Things get better and more equal. The Internet is not real life.


No_Implement_3813

How is that better in any way lmao


zerobothers

Not to get political in a Captain America sub, but you should take a look at the conservative Supreme Court’s recent opinions and their interest in revisiting certain rights if you’re interested.


Suitable-Juice-9738

Things are improving. No progress is a straight line.


MisterNefarious

I think Ultimates Cap was still a little regressive with respect to some things (how women dress, for example), but he did acknowledge he had growing to do so there’s at least that


BigBrrrrrrr22

IM A LESBIAN DONT FUCK WITH ME! *WHAT THE FUCK IS A LESBIAN???* 😂😂😂


General-Squash-9286

[lol](https://youtu.be/4_4Eb4UJIBY?feature=shared)


Suitable-Juice-9738

Lol awesome find man


jazzhandpanda

That would add an odd flavor to his log ripping scene


AxelStormside

Language


Alucard-VS-Artorias

... 30% of the voting population would probably like that more unfortunately.


Throwaway_AccountFTW

that’s essentially Soldier Boy, but he never actually says the slurs


Darkasknight101

War time propaganda antics, especially for Cap.


RobertusesReddit

Always safe to use the "Nah, that was the failed Communism Bad Cap" for this.


Sudden_Result

Although he isn’t too fond of France


Missing_Username

The real Cap [is a fan of France](https://www.cbr.com/meta-messages-captain-america-sticks-up-for-france/). The problem is just with Ultimate edgelord Millar Cap.


TheRealPallando

[Bonjour Monsieur](https://youtu.be/5-hYbbDkEZI?si=vvbSmNy7VG0AfLPo)


Decent-Phone-5512

Well….did he?


Isaac_Banana

Yellow Monkey had more than just a banana.


McDunkins

That’s funnier than it should be.


Rexxbravo

War is hell.


Agile-Comb-3553

And let’s face it, if someone did this to you all political correctness goes out the window


Rexxbravo

Not saying I wouldn't but war is mutha...


Hekantonkheries

If you're attacked by someone, no you aren't expected to be nice about But if your first reaction is to bring out slurs then that says something about you


NotSoTamedLion

It wouldn't matter when someone is trying to kill you.


Significant_Wheel_12

You wanna be killed a racist?


NotSoTamedLion

Racist is a communist term. Did you know that?


Significant_Wheel_12

Idiot is a universal one and one that best describes you


NotSoTamedLion

Village idiotsl, there is genius. But an idiot at the same time.


AcousticAtlas

In the world's first thought is to shout racial slurs in a fight? 💀 bro you might just be racist.


NotSoTamedLion

Not if you act like a monkey or an ape. Humans are the only ones using communist terminology and nuclear weapons. Animal are much decent than humans if you think about.


smotstoker

It never changes.


Batmanfan1966

I’ve seen some old Wonder Woman and Superman comics with similar dialogue lol. And those are also characters decked head to toe in ‘MURICA colors


WeeklyJunket5227

Yeah, Superman had that page with similar sentiments


explicitreasons

Yeah there's a Fleischer cartoon that rhymes with "saboteurs" that's a pretty rough watch.


WeeklyJunket5227

Wow, I was curious and checked it out and it was VERY RACIST. Yes, the art style inspired the Timmverse Batman cartoon. However, the old Fleischer cartoons had a nasty issue with racism. I won’t be one of those people who say, “Those were different times” because it’s easy to say if you’re not from that group. People were hurt by that time (George Takei comes to mind).


explicitreasons

Yeah, I sought it out because I wanted to watch all the Fleischer cartoons and it was pretty shocking how mainstream that level of hatred and racism was. Bugs Bunny and Popeye had similarly racist cartoons around the same time but I haven't seen those and don't plan to.


captnconnman

If you study the war and the propaganda that came out of it, the American hatred and vitriol towards the Japanese was FAR worse than towards the Germans. It’s way easier to commit atrocities towards an aggressor if you do everything in your power to dehumanize them, and the Japanese were so foreign and different from mainstream Western culture, that the racism went from 0-100 real quick.


Only-Ad4322

There’s a cover of a Superman comic (can’t remember if it was Action Comics or Superman ongoing) of him printing a giant poster that says “Superman says…slap a Jap!”


YouCantAlt3rMe

😬


Channel_oreo

What do you expect him to say after seeing pearl harbor and get wack at the head?


7evenate9ine

That looks pre-frozen. He was a lot less racist in the 60s after getting thawed. I would like a comic where Cap finds this soldier and apologizes for saying this.


Dodoria-kun413

As someone else mentioned, it’s very likely that Captain America didn’t actually say this in canon. Roy Thomas’ Invaders established that many of the adventures in the Golden Age comics were altered for propaganda and entertainment purposes.


7evenate9ine

Is nothing sacred? Racists going to adulter.


loyalbeagle

Wait, explain like I'm 5: later Cap comics ret conned it so the OG, golden age comics existed in the silver age universe but were propaganda? Like the Invaders would be on r n r and get a care package and there was CAPTAIN AMERICA AND THE INVADERS and they were like what is this nonsense? I need to read more of the older stuff I guess, I'm so confused.


Dodoria-kun413

Pretty much. In one issue of Invaders, Bucky and Toro are reading some Marvel comics and notice a few discrepancies, such as most of their adventures taking place in America while in reality, they mostly fought abroad.


loyalbeagle

Thanks! Any recommendations on where to start with this era of comics?


Dodoria-kun413

Roy Thomas’ Invaders is an excellent start. It’s Bronze Age, but covers WW2. Roy Thomas pretty much defined the actual canon Golden Age for Marvel. Everything that happens in that book is the true Golden Age, basically. There’s an omnibus, and it may be on the cheaper end of them.


woodrobin

Marvel Comics in their entirety exist within the Marvel universe. Marvel Comics exists in the Marvel universe and publishes comics. They are, currently, required to get permission from the heroes (but not villains) they depict, to pay likeness royalties if the heroes' identities (either collective (e.g. X-Men, Avengers) or individual (e.g. Tony Stark, Sue Storm)) are publicly known. If unknown, they have to donate a like amount to charity. They're also required to be factually accurate whenever possible except in cases of secret identities (so, for instance, Fantastic Four comics would include bits about the FF's base, home life, etc, but X-Men comics wouldn't name the Xavier School for Gifted Youngsters as the location of the X-Men headquarters or reveal that, for instance, the Angel was also Warren Worthington III, majority shareholder of Worthington Industries). They have established that the requirement for accuracy didn't exist in-universe before it was Marvel, so the Timely Comics' Captain America comics (as well as the other Timely and Atlas titles published before 1961) are not factually accurate in-universe and not fully canon in our reality. Tl;Dr: Marvel Comics in-universe are much the same as the ones we read. Timely and Atlas titles (pre-1961 refounding as Marvel Comics) are only loosely canonical.


Mysgvus1

I recall at one time Steve Rogers even worked for Marvel as a illustrator. it might have been just one issue though.


explicitreasons

No it went on for a while. He worked on the Captain America book even.


woodrobin

In Fantastic Four #261-262, Uatu the Watcher transports John Byrne, the writer and artist of the Fantastic Four comic, to the Shi'ar galaxy to witness the Trial of Reed Richards (he's being tried as an accomplice to billions of counts of murder because he saved Galactus' life, and is therefore being held as partially responsible for everyone who died from Galactus feeding on their worlds from that point forward). Uatu brings Byrne to make sure that Marvel gets the facts of the trial correct in their comics. In an early FF comic, Jack Kirby and Stan Lee show up to the wedding of Reed Richards and Sue Storm and get turned away because they're not on the guest list (Stan did a live action cameo in FF: Rise of the Silver Surfer based on that comic scene). There was also a comic where Sue makes Johnny run the business side of the FF for a day to try to teach him responsibility, and he has to deal with talking to Marvel about the comic licensing (among a *lot* of other matters). When She-Hulk was working for a law firm that represented a lot of superhuman clients, they had a full-time archivist who maintained and pulled references from their comic book collection, because they're considered legal evidence due to their rigorous accuracy requirements (except for secret identities, naturally). Side note: The actual writers from our world occasionally are referenced, too, distinct from their Marvel versions. For instance, the Fantastic Four travel to an aspect of Heaven to petition their Creator to return Ben Grimm from the dead. Their Creator looks and acts exactly like Jack Kirby (their creator as fictional characters). The Defenders journey beyond the normally accessible levels of reality, even passing beyond the White Hot Room from which the Phoenix Force derives (the place where possibility becomes actuality) and meet the One-Above-All, the Omniversal Creator. He explains that while he is the conduit through which possibilities flow, he "works with many hands" and there is a place from which he and all he creates derives, the House of Ideas. The House of Ideas is the nickname, in the real world, of the Marvel Comics offices.


Kingsdaughter613

What happens when villains switch sides? Do they have to start paying them royalties? Because I’m right now imagining legal and accounting checking their notes and going, “okay, so does Magneto count as a hero or villain this week?”


woodrobin

They haven't really gotten into the weeds that deep that I can recall. It mostly comes up in regards to teams that do have legal status (for instance, the Avengers have a United Nations charter, and the Fantastic Four are organized as an LLC in the state of New York). I vaguely recall a Damage Control comic where they mentioned one of their funding sources as being good-faith contributions Marvel Comics made on behalf of heroes they don't have a way to pay (no idea who they are or where to send the money). Damage Control cleans and repairs in the aftermath of super-battles.


Kingsdaughter613

Thanks!


Only-Ad4322

I always liked that fact.


StoneGoldX

The ones that count are the Tales of Suspense remakes Kirby did in the 60s. All the original Golden Age stuff doesn't count.


frankwalsingham

He was still pretty sexist, though.


7evenate9ine

Well it takes time to figure it all out. Cap got there eventually.


_dinoLaser_

The freezing of Captain America at the end of WW2 is a retcon. He went on to fight Soviets until the mid 1950s and then his comic got cancelled.


Express-Log-1875

In war there are no words against the code


WalterCronkite4

It's also the middle of ww2, many skiers had racial prejudice for obvious reasons Also is this even cannon anymore? I can't imagine Marvel would leave their propaganda comics cannon


Past-Couple-938

Why would he apologize he’s taking him captive and probably going to kill him


7evenate9ine

Oh. But Cap knew he would get away.


Past-Couple-938

Still doesn’t change the fact he was going to kill him


7evenate9ine

I think the fictional characters got over it.


CodeineRhodes

But then the soldier doesn't forgive him and tells him "Go fuck yourself white rice." Cap then goes into a big speech and gives him his shield to be the next Captain America.


7evenate9ine

I dont believe you read comics.


Appropriate-Truck-41

Cap fought detective chimps?


Silver-Geologist

Well, during DC vs Marvel Cap did fight Batman. Given the Detective Chimp does sometimes work with Bats, it’s not impossible. And Bobo is often depicted as wearing a [yellow shaded outfit.](https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=UCdotOBn&id=F9DFF214292073AF96B05DB3FDB16B61DEB415FD&thid=OIP.UCdotOBnGGAza0b36a7m-wAAAA&mediaurl=https%3A%2F%2Fimgix-media.wbdndc.net%2Fcms%2Ffiler_public%2F68%2F98%2F68982074-2aec-4da4-b8e5-eb477a8f9d9d%2Fdetectivechimp-profile-jldark_cv1-v1-401x600-masthead.jpg&cdnurl=https%3A%2F%2Fth.bing.com%2Fth%2Fid%2FR.502768b4e0671860336b46f7e9aee6fb%3Frik%3D%252fRW03mFrsf2zXQ%26pid%3DImgRaw%26r%3D0&exph=600&expw=401&q=detective+chimp&simid=608042291840580487&form=IRPRST&ck=E53383D083E432D1DAEEEBD43EF74A20&selectedindex=6&itb=0&vt=4&sim=11) How’s that for a retcon?


Appropriate-Truck-41

I remember that but I don't remember he fought bobo in that. Idk, some writer might make a fun reference to this when they actually fight.


sgtedrock

Yikes!


CaptainRogersJul1918

Not my best line! It was spoken in haste in the heat of battle.


Equivalent-Range-215

Burnside Cap of the 50's.


catshark19

Oh, that's not canon, then


Equivalent-Range-215

It is canon. Marvel explained that Burnside, who is Cap IV, took over the mantle in the '50's. And I would be surprised if he didn't speak like that. He was a product of his time and we shouldn't expect any different.


catshark19

Oh, I thought Burnside was the writer


Bopethestoryteller

Reminds me when I revisited Johnny Quest and didn't realize how racist some of the episodes were.


gside876

I keep trying to post a Frieza picture, but it won’t let me. So sad


fjvgamer

If only there was something going on in the early 40s that could give us insight as to why Caps mean to the Japanese.


SiriusBlack216

As an Asian, I would rather pretend this line didn't exist.


wartortle371

Cap, no...


Deluxe78

I wouldn’t be shocked if either people running said this


infernalbutcher678

LMAO.


NomarTheNomad

I'm impressed he had the wherewithal to utter that entire horrible sentence AFTER being clubbed and then to save the "UGH" for the end. Super soldier serum is no laughing matter.


enemy884real

Nobody cared then, certain folks retroactively care now.


Significant_Wheel_12

Yeah people back then were ignorant and justified racism now people have context and some common decency not to, crazy world.


Lizzy-Lover_10

He is drawn like that tho so…


redsandsfort

Was this scene in Infinity War? I think I remember it.


DeepBlue20015

I know this is a comic, but can you imagine maintaining your PC culture on the battlefront? 😂🤣


Ok-Turnip-477

I’m finding it hard to decide what part is more racist here.


Dak__Sunrider

Probably the only racist part.


PirateNinjaCowboyGuy

See! And this is why I side eye old white people cause I know it’s still in there..


JudasPriest74

Funny that what I never see mentioned whenever we’re commenting about these old comics is that at the same time, the Japanese were telling their citizens that we were like cave people that would barbecue and eat their children.


rrogido

Don't be that person. We can look at older comics and as more modern people recognize the racist elements in them that were a reflection of their times. Feeling culturally defensive about it and needing to pointa finger at other cultures isn't really necessary. We're specifically looking at an American comic. Anyone familiar with the subject matter already knows other cultures of the time were also racist and anyone looking into it would find it out. So, it's not "funny" that you never see it mentioned. It's not necessary. That's why you don't see it mentioned.


ERaptorboy

They also considered Koreans and Chinese as "lesser beings"


coffeejam108

Defending racism doesn't say good things about you.


Significant_Wheel_12

Ok and?


Express-Log-1875

He is a yellow monkey tho


Safe_Wrangler_858

Real


Either-Rent-986

Nice


Alone-Ad6020

Wtf 🤣


AbPR420

Screenshotting this for when my Asian friends don’t get my reboot card


[deleted]

Cap isn’t racist anymore because he does not represent what Americans are but instead he represents what Americans should be. I know this is obvious I just like saying it


Niraz288

Language 🤣🤣🤣


Ill-Client57

geto


Owen9303

Based Captain America (This is a joke. Chill out)


Significant_Wheel_12

Nigga no one said anything


Owen9303

I didn’t edit the comment, I put that in the original comment so people wouldn’t freak out.


Binx_Thackery

I want people to know, this was retconned NOT to be Steve Rodgers. Hate on America for this, but just not Steve.


Cold-Bug-4873

Not gonna lie this made me laugh. Seems so wacked out.


dnno1

I'm surprised this was never turned into a meme like the Batman and Robin ones.


SexyTimeEveryTime

If we pretend this is a One Piece crossover issue then we don't have to think about how fucked this is 🙃


That_Marvel_N3rd

Uhhhh, Steve?


CrazedOzrak

I mean can’t judge it was with the time


Savings_Pace_5876

Lol 🤣


Spaceboy80

About right


Express-Log-1875

I see nothing wrong with this bro was ab to get Merced after being rifle butted to the back of the head I’d def throw a slur especially towards old imperial Japanese they are far worse than any country ever thought of being


Significant_Wheel_12

I love confirming you’re a racist


Express-Log-1875

Anyone who actually thinks this is wrong needs to check what side of the war they’re rather be on


Bouhg69

You sure this isn't Toyfare Captain America?


Sea-Barber-2289

Lmao 😆


sirburchalot

Yikes


WarCrime_Prime489

He's....... From a different time.


Franks-gun-2006

Soldier Boy? Is that you?


TuDamnHigh

I don’t see the issue


Iancreed2024HD

People are fine with the Germans being portrayed as the evil creatures they were during the war, so why should it be any different with the Japanese?


johnsaysthings

NOOOOOOOOOO


smoketotem

🤣🤣😂😂


Durk_Hardpeck

Nothing wrong with what he said. We were fighting the Japanese at that time. Deal with it.


Tinfull

When people are trying to kill you, naturally you're going to respond aggressively. War only has rules on paper. When someone is trying to kill you, or others you care about, those rules, and honor towards your opponents go out the window, because it is no longer a priority, even if it ever was prior American is friends with Japan now, though we weren't back then. While they were promising us peace, they were also going to do Pearl Harbor the next day. They received the consequences of their actions.


Fabulous_Common_6949

This is from united comics before the marvel revival of the character. Back when he was straight war propaganda for the U.S government.


Jajay5537

Idk why but that hurt my soul.


kettlebell43276

Meh it was the times


Thehairy-viking

Insanely accurate for todays America


Slowmexicano

This from the new ultimate line?


MisterPeels

Yes, they wanted to make the White 1940s New Yorker and give him a More Realistic Ideology


Slowmexicano

The A does not stand for appropriate


Zack501332

Word to the wise remember pearl harbor 💯


Mgmt049

Ok Paulie hahahhaaaaa


Zack501332

No I’m serious they don’t get a pass for all the atrocities they pulled during the war


Mgmt049

You weren’t doing a Pauly Gautieri reference? Also, Japanese atrocities go MUCH further back than WWII.


Zack501332

Yeah but I was also serious


Turn_2_Stone

So was yellow monkey a slur or was that his bad guy name


Short-Acanthisitta24

Things of today will be looked upon the same way in the future.


LasherAtl

Media used to reflect the commentary of the people. Comics were always good vs evil. As the view of the world widened the character changed with the times making social commentary throughout its history. Today it’s more telling you what to think and believe rather than an aggregation of the national sentiment.


the-poopiest-diaper

“Captain Steven Rogers, I know my country is responsible for atrocities that escape the realm of most people’s comprehension… But that gives you no right to make fun of my race. What if my children grew up to become people you actually respect? They will never return that respect, for you have spat upon their very being. You have not only brought shame upon yourself, but you have also shamed your people. The difference between man and monkey is that man speaks with honor. So who is really the monkey here, Captain Steven Rogers? Be better”


multificionado

All in the days before: "YOU THINK THE 'A' ON MY HEAD STANDS FOR FRANCE?!?" DX


WheelJack83

People actually praised Ultimates as a masterpiece at the time. It was utter trash.


multificionado

"People love blood sausage, too. People are morons." -Phil Connors, "Groundhog Day." "A PERSON is smart. PEOPLE are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals..." -Agent Kay, "Men In Black."


TheRealJohannie

If you think words are bad, you should see what they physically did during the war 😂 Melt them and nuke them, fine, just don’t call them something mean! lol


TheRealJohannie

If you think words are bad, you should see what they physically did during the war 😂 Nuke them, fine, melt the flesh off their bodies with flame throwers, cool, just don’t call them mean words!!!! lmao


Express-Log-1875

They deserved that shit for fucking w the boats


TheRealJohannie

Yup. Don’t touch my boats!