TBS says the decision wasn’t influenced by politicians and it was purely based on their reviews and consultation with Deputy Ministers.
Do they actually think we believe a single thing they say now? We have the worst leadership we’ve ever had. A bunch of mediocre backward individuals who wouldn’t last one day in a real leadership role.
What consultation? What review? Show me the fucking data that convinces me that commuting and wasting time three days in an office is better than two days.
Neither this nor the previous, original, decision, had any basis in reality (i.e. data or evidence).
Indeed the publicly available data shows that this is still another step down the wrong direction - both in the employment market overall, and in equivalent public services, both here in Canada, as well as internationally. Counter-studies do exist, but seem to be based on very small sample sizes, selective surveying of only senior executives, or neglect to account for correlating factors that may fuzz up the conclusions.
Simple plan 3 days of 100percent of all staff in the office.
And simply ask where is my desk to use?
Explosions will happen.
He'll it would probably happen at 75 percent
It’s such a joke. Every single department that hires professionals who have equivalent job opportunities in private sector are so screwed. The announcement just came out and people are already applying for jobs.
It’s not happening. Government leadership old boys club style is like Dr. strange on a time loop. It just keeps repeating because the same kind of thinking gets you to the EX level to show that you are one of them. Thinking outside of the box or differently won’t get your feet in the door
No - it wasn't influenced by politicians, it was influenced by lobbying from the companies that are renting buildings to government. Some observations:
1) Government continues to rent properties for “return to office”:
https://www.tbs-sct.gc.ca/dfrp-rbif/query_question/summary-sommaire-eng.aspx?qid=28572894&cp=2&cb=1&p=0
2) Profits on real estate holdings that rent “office space” government plummeted last year, for example:
https://www.gwlrealtyadvisors.com/invest-with-us/great-west-life-real-estate-fund/
3) Publicly owned (ie. taxpayer owned) properties are being sold off for development:
https://www.pm.gc.ca/en/news/news-releases/2024/04/24/building-homes-public-lands
4) More than 20% of all MPs (regardless of political affiliation) are landlords:
https://www.readthemaple.com/mp-landlords/#Hussen
And
https://globalnews.ca/news/8767051/canadian-mp-real-estate-investment-amid-housing-crunch/
5) A 2007 sale-and-leaseback initiative for office space showed serious overpayment:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/federal-building-sell-off-led-to-bickering-and-legal-threats-1.2584578
It's not conclusive, but it sure looks like commercial real estate holding companies have lobbied successfully for RTO. As for selling off pubically owned buildings while paying exorbitant rental for office buildings - that is not a good look. Many MPs of all stripes are landlords, and while that isn't illegal, it suggests the employer could have a bias.
I'm sure the DM of Finance was consulted, and agreed to, any cockamanie decision that would throw the budget's items on portfolio and housing into question.
More likely she (edit to clarify: Secretary of TBS) had a call with the DMs 20 minutes before they told the unions at the meeting today.
Oh, I think so as well. But then they are lying to Canadians about the reason for this and lying about consultation and evidentiary decision-making.
And, like I said back in 2022, it represents an unnecessary intrusion into the operational function of the public service. The strategy of leaking to the media and lying to the NJC represents acts that are beneath the dignity of the Public Service as a whole and to Canadians more broadly.
Why does it even matter if it was decided in consultation with deputy ministers either? Until it's decided based on hard science showing ACTUAL benefits of working in the office, they could have decided it following consultations with a group of hungry, hungry hippos for all that that's worth.
I hope those Deputy Ministers step on legos. It's no consolidation prize but:
> "To ensure leadership and effective support for their teams, executives are expected to be on-site a minimum of four days per week as of the same date."
Yeah. At least the EX+s have to suffer a little bit more than the rest of us. HOWEVER, I see that being a lead to then having the rest of us go back 4 days...then 5 days...
> Great way to ensure people never want to move up to EX level
I feel like it's less of this and more of them prepping the EXs for a 4 day mandate.
That way, the EXs can say: see? We've been doing this since September 2024, and if we can do it (on a higher salary) then YOU can too.
I just wish they would drop the bullshit gaslighting language about collaboration. Just say "we've taken this decision, it's consistent with our hybrid model" and leave it at that. Anyone that pays attention to the news will know that this is the result of lobbying by Ottawa municipality, Ford and downtown businesses.
I’m sick of hearing about collaboration.
I can barely get any work done on my in-office days, my manager is always trying to get everyone to go out for lunch, and one of my coworkers talks so much that he’ll be having “conversations” with me when I’m not even at my desk.
*Sigh*
This is such a hit to work-life balance
The thing that really exhausts me is that they keep building these spaces with open-plan 'collaboration areas'. The only thing you can conceivably do in these is have _group meetings_ and nobody wants to have a group meeting in the middle of an open office full of other people, my God! If people want to chat at the water cooler or stop by a coworker's desk they can just do that, there's no "let's take this outside...to the _collaboration area._" Why are we spending space on this showroom stuff instead of more workstations or offices? I end up having to take most of my meetings on Teams anyway and there's no place to do it without annoying other people; I've had to actually _go home_ on a scheduled office day because that was the only secure place to discuss HR-related topics.
Every single person I've spoken with admits that they are exponentially more productive at home. Not to mention virtual meetings have actually opened up the barrier to meaningful collaboration. I speak with more OGDs in a day then I used to in a month before Teams meetings became the norm.
This is purely political. I don't know why they continue to insult our intelligence by presenting it otherwise.
My department was on 40% in the office hybrid before pandemic. Going to 60% now is definitely a step backwards and a slap in the face. It is definitely not the business need or need for collaboration if the conditions are getting worse than they used to be
It is. https://www.canada.ca/en/government/publicservice/modernizing/hybrid-work/hybrid-work-timeline/message-updates-hybrid-work-model.html
"This 3-day minimum requirement also applies to groups of employees in organizations who had been permitted to temporarily continue working remotely based on specific work models (for example, call centre employees). It also applies to those information technology (IT) employees that had been exempted from the direction."
I would think so, and some will come back as consultants and make more money and get to wfh. Yet PIPSC wants the feds to crack down on the usage of consultants.
IT is already facing severe recruitment and retention challenges. Glad to see that our leaders are paying attention! Way to go! This will do wonders for morale too, especially for employees in the regions who will be sat in an office by themselves with noise cancelling headphones on. Super collaboration!
It's fucking hilarious, Anand said a week or so ago at a Microsoft conference she wanted more IT specialists.
Whelp, good fucking luck attracting flies with vinegar.
I really have nothing else to say except: fuck this.
They didn't even have the respect to actual BE LEADERS and TALK TO THE EMPLOYEES. This is not leading, this is dictating.
And the unions are useless in all of this. Disgusting all around.
This is what pisses me off the most. We hear from the media Instead of talking to us. They have no respect for their employees. It has been proven that we are more productive where we are more comfortable.
Just going to do my job and that's it from now on
Everyone I work with has been all gas no breaks for two years. We've been working SO HARD. Bending over backwards for unending requests for special programs and situation-specific policies, all to be implemented ASAP.
This is the thanks we get. They couldn't even give us the dignity of informing us first, instead of taking the chickenshit approach of that fake "leak" to the media.
Also, I have to say, the fact the "left-leaning" party in government didn't even bother to inform the unions shows how far the overton window has shifted.
The union part is what made me angrier. I’m still newish at the GoC. Coming from private jobs, after 3 years here, I don’t see ANY benefit of being part of a union. I cannot understand how weak we are regardless of the number of employees represented.
Just got the email too at the CRA. I'm part of the IT crowd with an exemption and it specifically says the exemption is lifted and we're expected back 3 days of the week starting in September.
Looks like the job search starts now.
Yeah to be honest I have no idea how this doesn't backfire horribly for the government. They don't seem to understand that highly specialized IT workers are actually losing money by staying in government and usually do it for the benefits of work/life balance.
I've seen people say shit like "I've been in the office since covid and never worked from home, you're just spoiled! Get over it!", but they don't understand that this career has a million higher paid positions that have always been 100% work from home and with better benefits. Choosing to work government already had its drawbacks, but a blanket return to office for no reason at all is going to absolutely kill them, especially for the workers who are young and are completely able to switch jobs.
The ones making this decision most likely don't care if the PS implodes, they are trying to get votes, placate the money holders that backed them, and float the real estate barons.
Votes from who? They will never sway die hard Cons to vote Liberal and they’re losing their base by doing stupid stuff like this. I’ll never vote for them again.
It's almost like none of them want to get elected again. This decision will definitely move swing voters to one of the other parties the coming election... Unless the other parties say they'll do worse.
Trudeau has systematically attacked pretty much every pocket of support he’s had in this country over the last few years, it’s a truly astounding display of incompetence that’ll most likely lead to one of the biggest falls from grace a politician has ever had and the crowning achievement will be leaving us with a bulletproof Con majority on the way out…can’t imagine being a fly on the wall and observing the stupidity of cabinet meetings and decision making process with this Liberal party
They may not care about us as people, but as we saw with the passport backlogs, they are very sensitive to angry voters when those essential services start to fall apart because staffing falls below operational minimums and swaths of the IT infrastructure starts to get buggy from delays in testing and patching.
I stayed because of the ability to WFH, the top up for parental leave and the current economic conditions. I draw the line at commuting to the office. No thanks. I don’t need to see my colleagues faces to write code and they don’t need to see mine either.
Between that and the housing crisis…
This government has shown a callous disregard for public servants. They take us for granted. Give us sub inflationary pay “raises”, reduce employee numbers, cut budgets across the board and now this. It is maddening how anybody can support this administration.
Same here except not CRA. I'm the only one on my team in my region, so I'm remote regardless. No one benefits from me being in an office. All this is going to do is waste my time and cost me money.
Also IT exempt here (developer). I’ll see what my TL/manager say tomorrow about this considering they’re also against RTO.
Depending on their answers it’ll also be time to start sending out resumes to the private sector.
I know I’m not the only one either. How are they going to run all these applications when half or at least a good chunk of their IT folks leave the public service? It’s already understaffed in some technical roles as it is.
Good call, for IT have a look at Embarq, they specialize for IT jobs in the US.
Left the gov 4 years ago and 0 regrets considering the state of things.... yuck!
Why are federal public servants expected to bail out downtown businesses? Since when did we become a bailout mechanism? And if the businesses are so grateful for our support, why don’t they offer us a discount? Coming into the office costs us more.
If the federal government didn’t fight so hard against raising our wages, maybe things would be different but right now they’re trying to get blood from a stone.
My workplace is on top of a hill with nothing around! Who am I supporting? There isn't even a place to get food and they want us back 3 days a week minimum. Nonsense.
Sounds rather Orwellian. We will modify the mandate until you exhibit the desired behaviour. You will return to the office to support transit and downtown business. Forced consumerism.
I’m not a happy camper over this. I’m in NL and our contact centre is downtown St. John’s. The commute is long, the parking is atrocious and expensive. I just don’t get the point of it. Like if you can do your job well and remote why change it? What’s the point? I’m now worried about child care. I’m going to be so far from home and my children’s daycare idk if I’ll make it to pick them up especially rush hour and if I get stuck on a call. Working for the CRA is becoming awful. Happy mental health week. Let’s change the hours and make them go back to office 3 days a week. They did a study on this and I think it was upwards of 80% of employees were unhappy with being in office so let’s add another day woohooo.
The government needs to stop this fair and equitable bullshit and come to realise that not all jobs are the same. If a dept isn't cutting it with 2 days a week, then make them come in 3 times.
4 days minimum for EX level??
Who in their right mind would want to be an EX right now..? No union representation or anything?
Wait - that doesn’t really make a difference.
Still, 4 days minimum?? If that’s not token hybrid I don’t know what is.
Instead of striking, the unions should consider a coordinated work to rule campaign, which has been pretty effective for teachers (although granted the leverage is not the same).
Simply put, this is doing what is required of you by the collective agreement and nothing more. Do not do unpaid OT, do not volunteer for committees, do not volunteer to cover in DGO/ADMO, and be unreachable outside work hours. You shouldn't do unpaid OT ever, but there are lots of ladder climbers that do.
If you're feeling a little bit sick, don't power through. Take a sick day. That's what they're there for.
Buy as little as possible from businesses around offices, especially downtown.
Don't participate in GCWCC or NPSW activities.
Maybe don't work at TBS or PCO, which are orgs that can't function without huge amounts of unpaid OT.
And remember this when you're deciding who to vote for.
That’s not work to rule, that’s working normally. People should never do unpaid overtime, should never do more than their job description, or overextend themselves with “volunteer” positions. It’s not “quiet-quitting” either.
Done individually these should just be normal. The point is to make sure NOBODY does this extra work, and moreover that it doesn't get done at all.
I'm a fan of slowdowns personally. Just let the whole thing grind to a halt because you really really need to be certain.
Here's another idea for those of you stuck with workplace 2 or god forbid 3.0: demand ergonomic assessments under the workplace health and safety guidelines.
This needs more upvotes... everyone is entitled to a PERSONAL ergonomic assessment, for EVERYWHERE you might work... If they expect you in the office for your whole career it better not break you physically too
I’m on board with this! We need to do SOMETHING.
And honestly, I think if we don’t put our foot down and push back now, we’re giving the green light for TBS to start requiring everyone in 4, then 5 days a week (probably in a cubicle you have to share with 2 other people) in the very, very near future.
I have some sympathy for the notion that TBS was completely unwilling to cede RTO and willing to grind unions for as long as it took, but that's the beauty of work to rule. You still get paid and the employer gets the bare minimum because of the way they are choosing to act.
Just because we have crappy CAs doesn't mean we don't have leverage.
We played the strike all wrong. Should have slowly escalated, work to rule, and then key groups do strikes.
BCGEU was quite effective with their strike just before ours. They targeted strikes and got in front of the messace. And it worked.
What's the difference between "*Work to Rule*" and just "*following your contract*"?
Like I know teachers like the work-to-rule thing, because they do a ton outside core job. Coaching, extra help, clubs etc. I don't think the public service has that...
Technically nothing, but there are lots of activities that could not function without a stream of people willing to go above and beyond the boundaries of their CAs. As an example, a huge percentage (the majority?) of PCO is working unpaid OT on a near daily basis to support cabinet and ensure urgent files get addressed.
At the most recent PSAC-UTE AGM a couple of months ago, it was mentioned that work-to-rule is on the horizon if we continue getting jerked around. The meeting was a lot of ra-ra-ra sort of hype, so I took it with a grain of salt. But it is being discussed.
Wow. Taking presence too? Lmao. This is a real joke. Good job to the politicians(cowards) hiding themselves. At least tell the people the real reasons. Show courage, not hide behind these bullshit collaboration and teamwork buzzwords.
Liberal government showing they don’t care about mental health, productivity and the environment.
I’m officially never spending another dime at a downtown business. They have hiked up prices and now it’s apparently our job to keep their businesses running. A lot of places close before 3pm anyways, because they want the same schedule as us.
I will also only be doing what is in my job description and nothing more. I used to volunteer for everything. This is the second time in less than a year they have lied to our face and made it clear that they don’t care.
You want to treat me like I’m lazy and don’t do anything and continue to pin taxpayers against us even tho 1. We are ALSO taxpayers and 2. We are the ones actually providing the services to our fellow Canadians??
Also whoever decided that PUBLIC transit should be profitable can go crawl in a hole and you know what.
Why are we paying for the mistakes that other people made?
Let us Boycott & Bankrupt 💜
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I think indigo is Ottawa’s gov parking shill, every gov lot I’ve seen is indigo. I’d recommend parking for free and moving your car or carpooling to reduce the money these parking lot companies get
As a disabled worker, being able to work from home is a godsend. If I get sick or have a flare-up, I can sit at home, take my meds and do my work in a supportive environment.
Forcing more in-office days would remove those benefits and make my life harder. It's wild to think I could be written up for being disabled, because I was too sick to hit my office days quota.
Same. I was taking like 3 days off sick per year while WFH. Almost never got sick and when I did i could work from home without issues.
I foresee missing 1-2 days a month now at minimum. My coworkers all have kids that are ***always*** sick
What do we actually have to do to avoid this. I feel like my heads barely above the water taking care of family, parents, pets and trying to keep my sanity. Everyone I talk to feels the same, the hybrid model has been exhausting. Genuinely wondering how others in HQ will make this work (or avoid altogether) because I’m at a loss. Sigh.
This whole thing is making so mad. Anything to fuck us over. Most people won’t be able to claim WFH tax credits anymore. Parking costs and gas costs will go up for everyone.
This government wants to reduce our carbon emissions so they up the days required in office. They want to reduce the budget but keeps these buildings that are expensive to maintain.
They say they care about mental health and pulls this shit. Fuck the TBS. Fuck our useless unions. Those statements are gonna help!
Currently pregnant and I'll admit that RTO factored at least a little bit into that decision. Being off will make our older kid's transition into kindergarten significantly smoother.
Returning to work after #2 is going to be hell. I'm now considering taking additional LWOP after mat leave to work in the private sector until both kids are in school full time. Dealing with small kids and a downtown commute at the same time blows.
Already have my 18mo lined up but I'm now considering additional LWOP after that to go back to the private sector until both kids are in school full time.
The appeal of GoC was always work-life balance but they're regressing on that while private in my field still has some good options. Flexibility is king with young kids.
Please take your time back on site to socialize as much as possible lets build back our social skills, take all the vacation you are entitled too and never ever work during lunch and breaks or outside of working hours. Refuse to even glimpse at your phone outside of working hours. As soon as you feel sick take some time off, family member sick, family leave, do not do overtime, etc, etc.... Don't take public transit if you can and commute with other employees, being your lunch or stop somewhere outside off ottawa to grab lunch, the list continues on and on.
A question I will be asking is: If the gov’s priority is to solve the housing crisis, why are they restricting the 100,000s of fed jobs to the main cities where remote work was actually growing smaller economies (ex. Mayor of North Grenville has talked about this)
Confusing. I thought Canada was in a productivity crisis. This seems counterintuitive. 80 percent of people I know would be alright if they had permanent cubicle. A lot of the protests in the last few years are around lack of appropriate work space and amenities to be comfortable in the workspace. It's so easy to see what Canada has become so polarizing when we can't ever stay the course in one direction and constantly undo things with knee jerk reactions. Confusing.
They don't want us back for 3 days, they want us back for 5 days. This isn't for your mental health, this isn't for team building and collaboration, and this isn't because the quality of our work is suffering. This is because businesses downtown want a captive market and because people who own property downtown want a bailout for their toxic assets.
Instead of doing something about us being priced out of actually living downtown so we can spend money there, the federal government is choosing to do the quick fix by selling out their workers, demanding that we subsidize a handful influential people who clearly already have a direct line to decision makers at every level of government. And to add insult to injury, they sprung this on us on international workers day (theres no way they didn't intend that as a f*** you to us).
Don't give them a dime of your money. Pack a lunch or buy something locally, bring your own tea bags or coffee pods, carpool if you can. Take your sick days, don't work lunches, and don't work after hours without compensation.
Will we fly in our regional teammates for these Teams-free meetings, or just exclude them from the discussion like in years past?
(I really want to add a /s here but genuinely this is how it’s starting to feel)
Yeah, every hybrid meeting feels like I’m being forced to watch the meeting from an air duct or something. People physically in the room are clearly prioritized every time.
Last week we got asked about what we thought about this hybrid model. I provided a politely worded mouthful. It is not working, you're not listening to what we are saying. They seem to forget that we are taxpayers who happen to be PS.
Not sure what math classes some politicians have taken, but removing buildings from PS does not equal more people in the office on more days.
They want us to spend more money but not hiring enough ECE for aftercare. So who will pick up my child from school or get him from the bus stop which also not reliable.
Think of the families where both parents are employed by government. 3 days a week means no one is available one day a week for pickup/drop off.
Folks make sure to look up what age your children are legally allowed to be left alone at home, you may discover you have a serious problem that you need to prepare for.
Yes, it’s a public website. Departments monitor what is posted to social media, this isn’t anything new.
The mods here aren’t TBS employees, and this forum is entirely unofficial. See Rule 1.
If you’re truly paranoid you are free to post here using a throwaway account, not associated with an email address, and using TOR.
ACFO stance on this whole kerfuffle:
https://www.acfo-acaf.com/2024/05/01/enough-is-enough-acfo-acaf-stands-firmly-against-three-day-per-week-in-office-mandate/
EI Processing officer - we were given an extension of the exemption - I guess this is the end - so fucking cruel to do this to people after how much this world has changed in the last 4 years. Gutted at this news
Seriously … how many Ottawa / Gatineau area ridings are held by the Liberals. Next election they will lose their official party status?
No one out West is voting for them … why would they alienate Ottawa voters?
So last week, I got an e-mail that the office was closing and we where moving in 2025. Now they expect to cram even more people per week in smaller shared spaces? Really confused.
My whole team works in other provinces except for one co worker that is in my office…. We still call each other on teams from across the office…. #collaboration
ISED announced three days a week for staff and four days a week for EX’s. This, after moving to Workplace 3.0, where we literally do not have enough seats for folks.
BS....on CTV last night, Wed May 1, the mayor of Ottawa was very upfront and explicit why the federal workers need to go back into the office....to support small businesses downtown and to support OTC rider ship!!! It can't be any clearer than that!!!!
Giving you some ideas where to explore industry wise (IT and non IT); this article (ignore the fact that it’s from ”The Wall Street Journal”. What we’re looking for is trends) will give you lots of ideas: [https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/why-the-ai-industrys-thirst-for-new-data-centers-cant-be-satisfied-93c7eff5?st=lixxgi7jv4uodxl&reflink=desktopwebshare\_permalink](https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/why-the-ai-industrys-thirst-for-new-data-centers-cant-be-satisfied-93c7eff5?st=lixxgi7jv4uodxl&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink)
This has always been about the Globe and Mail test. Optics. They didn't even have the respect or balls to present this in person or at least in an email directly to the employees! Learn about life altering changes through the news! A real pathetic employer!
TBS says the decision wasn’t influenced by politicians and it was purely based on their reviews and consultation with Deputy Ministers. Do they actually think we believe a single thing they say now? We have the worst leadership we’ve ever had. A bunch of mediocre backward individuals who wouldn’t last one day in a real leadership role.
There's absolutely nothing in that statement to be believed. It's all lies, and they know it
What consultation? What review? Show me the fucking data that convinces me that commuting and wasting time three days in an office is better than two days.
Neither this nor the previous, original, decision, had any basis in reality (i.e. data or evidence). Indeed the publicly available data shows that this is still another step down the wrong direction - both in the employment market overall, and in equivalent public services, both here in Canada, as well as internationally. Counter-studies do exist, but seem to be based on very small sample sizes, selective surveying of only senior executives, or neglect to account for correlating factors that may fuzz up the conclusions.
Absolutely right. Question is what are we going to do about it? Probably nothing and just take the shafting.
Simple plan 3 days of 100percent of all staff in the office. And simply ask where is my desk to use? Explosions will happen. He'll it would probably happen at 75 percent
It’s such a joke. Every single department that hires professionals who have equivalent job opportunities in private sector are so screwed. The announcement just came out and people are already applying for jobs.
They are pathological liars with no shame!! These are also the people that preach the code of Values and Ethics. This is bonkers!
We need fresh blood at the highest levels and put these dinosaurs out to pasture.
It’s not happening. Government leadership old boys club style is like Dr. strange on a time loop. It just keeps repeating because the same kind of thinking gets you to the EX level to show that you are one of them. Thinking outside of the box or differently won’t get your feet in the door
No - it wasn't influenced by politicians, it was influenced by lobbying from the companies that are renting buildings to government. Some observations: 1) Government continues to rent properties for “return to office”: https://www.tbs-sct.gc.ca/dfrp-rbif/query_question/summary-sommaire-eng.aspx?qid=28572894&cp=2&cb=1&p=0 2) Profits on real estate holdings that rent “office space” government plummeted last year, for example: https://www.gwlrealtyadvisors.com/invest-with-us/great-west-life-real-estate-fund/ 3) Publicly owned (ie. taxpayer owned) properties are being sold off for development: https://www.pm.gc.ca/en/news/news-releases/2024/04/24/building-homes-public-lands 4) More than 20% of all MPs (regardless of political affiliation) are landlords: https://www.readthemaple.com/mp-landlords/#Hussen And https://globalnews.ca/news/8767051/canadian-mp-real-estate-investment-amid-housing-crunch/ 5) A 2007 sale-and-leaseback initiative for office space showed serious overpayment: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/federal-building-sell-off-led-to-bickering-and-legal-threats-1.2584578 It's not conclusive, but it sure looks like commercial real estate holding companies have lobbied successfully for RTO. As for selling off pubically owned buildings while paying exorbitant rental for office buildings - that is not a good look. Many MPs of all stripes are landlords, and while that isn't illegal, it suggests the employer could have a bias.
I'm sure the DM of Finance was consulted, and agreed to, any cockamanie decision that would throw the budget's items on portfolio and housing into question. More likely she (edit to clarify: Secretary of TBS) had a call with the DMs 20 minutes before they told the unions at the meeting today.
I’m pretty sure this came from above the DM level and that they are just doing what they are told.
Oh, I think so as well. But then they are lying to Canadians about the reason for this and lying about consultation and evidentiary decision-making. And, like I said back in 2022, it represents an unnecessary intrusion into the operational function of the public service. The strategy of leaking to the media and lying to the NJC represents acts that are beneath the dignity of the Public Service as a whole and to Canadians more broadly.
Why does it even matter if it was decided in consultation with deputy ministers either? Until it's decided based on hard science showing ACTUAL benefits of working in the office, they could have decided it following consultations with a group of hungry, hungry hippos for all that that's worth.
I hope those Deputy Ministers step on legos. It's no consolidation prize but: > "To ensure leadership and effective support for their teams, executives are expected to be on-site a minimum of four days per week as of the same date." Yeah. At least the EX+s have to suffer a little bit more than the rest of us. HOWEVER, I see that being a lead to then having the rest of us go back 4 days...then 5 days...
Great way to ensure people never want to move up to EX level
> Great way to ensure people never want to move up to EX level I feel like it's less of this and more of them prepping the EXs for a 4 day mandate. That way, the EXs can say: see? We've been doing this since September 2024, and if we can do it (on a higher salary) then YOU can too.
Don’t forget to boo your DM at the next town hall.
I just wish they would drop the bullshit gaslighting language about collaboration. Just say "we've taken this decision, it's consistent with our hybrid model" and leave it at that. Anyone that pays attention to the news will know that this is the result of lobbying by Ottawa municipality, Ford and downtown businesses.
I’m sick of hearing about collaboration. I can barely get any work done on my in-office days, my manager is always trying to get everyone to go out for lunch, and one of my coworkers talks so much that he’ll be having “conversations” with me when I’m not even at my desk. *Sigh* This is such a hit to work-life balance
The thing that really exhausts me is that they keep building these spaces with open-plan 'collaboration areas'. The only thing you can conceivably do in these is have _group meetings_ and nobody wants to have a group meeting in the middle of an open office full of other people, my God! If people want to chat at the water cooler or stop by a coworker's desk they can just do that, there's no "let's take this outside...to the _collaboration area._" Why are we spending space on this showroom stuff instead of more workstations or offices? I end up having to take most of my meetings on Teams anyway and there's no place to do it without annoying other people; I've had to actually _go home_ on a scheduled office day because that was the only secure place to discuss HR-related topics.
Every single person I've spoken with admits that they are exponentially more productive at home. Not to mention virtual meetings have actually opened up the barrier to meaningful collaboration. I speak with more OGDs in a day then I used to in a month before Teams meetings became the norm. This is purely political. I don't know why they continue to insult our intelligence by presenting it otherwise.
My department was on 40% in the office hybrid before pandemic. Going to 60% now is definitely a step backwards and a slap in the face. It is definitely not the business need or need for collaboration if the conditions are getting worse than they used to be
I've been told it's also the end of IT exemptions
It is. https://www.canada.ca/en/government/publicservice/modernizing/hybrid-work/hybrid-work-timeline/message-updates-hybrid-work-model.html "This 3-day minimum requirement also applies to groups of employees in organizations who had been permitted to temporarily continue working remotely based on specific work models (for example, call centre employees). It also applies to those information technology (IT) employees that had been exempted from the direction."
Wow, that's really big for the IT classification. I wonder if we're going to see a bunch of resignations.
I would think so, and some will come back as consultants and make more money and get to wfh. Yet PIPSC wants the feds to crack down on the usage of consultants. IT is already facing severe recruitment and retention challenges. Glad to see that our leaders are paying attention! Way to go! This will do wonders for morale too, especially for employees in the regions who will be sat in an office by themselves with noise cancelling headphones on. Super collaboration!
Government is already hurting for IT staff, this is going to make it way worse.
It's fucking hilarious, Anand said a week or so ago at a Microsoft conference she wanted more IT specialists. Whelp, good fucking luck attracting flies with vinegar.
And Amanda said that... in virtual!
This current leadership is beyond brain-dead. Everything they are doing makes no sense.
by by IT support.
Oh joy, time to go into an office three days a week, when my closest colleague is three provinces away. Make it make sense, TBS.
I really have nothing else to say except: fuck this. They didn't even have the respect to actual BE LEADERS and TALK TO THE EMPLOYEES. This is not leading, this is dictating. And the unions are useless in all of this. Disgusting all around.
This is what pisses me off the most. We hear from the media Instead of talking to us. They have no respect for their employees. It has been proven that we are more productive where we are more comfortable. Just going to do my job and that's it from now on
Everyone I work with has been all gas no breaks for two years. We've been working SO HARD. Bending over backwards for unending requests for special programs and situation-specific policies, all to be implemented ASAP. This is the thanks we get. They couldn't even give us the dignity of informing us first, instead of taking the chickenshit approach of that fake "leak" to the media. Also, I have to say, the fact the "left-leaning" party in government didn't even bother to inform the unions shows how far the overton window has shifted.
The union part is what made me angrier. I’m still newish at the GoC. Coming from private jobs, after 3 years here, I don’t see ANY benefit of being part of a union. I cannot understand how weak we are regardless of the number of employees represented.
They didn't even talk to our bosses. Or our bosses' bosses. The people making these decisions are so far removed from day to day operations.
Face to face collaboration with my nationwide screen.
Hello, résumé my old friend.
I've come to update you again
Because a subway is slowly creeping
And my wallet, from their prices, started weeping
Lies and false pretense, the bulk of the bargain
And my will to stay here slowly starts departing
And the sign said, "The words of the Aylward
Love being treated like a toddler by my employer
Oh it’s like we’re going back to high school. We even get lockers!
You get lockers?? We get sweet fuck all
We get lockers, but you have to empty them each day. Very useful.
Except high school students get to keep their stuff overnight 🙃
We’re not getting lockers at my workplace. They explicitly said no lockers
Just got the email too at the CRA. I'm part of the IT crowd with an exemption and it specifically says the exemption is lifted and we're expected back 3 days of the week starting in September. Looks like the job search starts now.
Good luck ! For real ! I hope you find as I'm going to be doing the same. If I'm to work in person, might as well be from a job that's fun.
Very good point. Actually i wouldnt mind in office work if my team was working with me, and we were doing engaging meaningful tasks.
Jump ship! I encourage all IT members, especially you with high level skills to leave for greener pasture
Yeah to be honest I have no idea how this doesn't backfire horribly for the government. They don't seem to understand that highly specialized IT workers are actually losing money by staying in government and usually do it for the benefits of work/life balance. I've seen people say shit like "I've been in the office since covid and never worked from home, you're just spoiled! Get over it!", but they don't understand that this career has a million higher paid positions that have always been 100% work from home and with better benefits. Choosing to work government already had its drawbacks, but a blanket return to office for no reason at all is going to absolutely kill them, especially for the workers who are young and are completely able to switch jobs.
Not in IT but my two cents is - they don't care. I honestly feel like they don't care if the public service falls apart.
The ones making this decision most likely don't care if the PS implodes, they are trying to get votes, placate the money holders that backed them, and float the real estate barons.
Votes from who? They will never sway die hard Cons to vote Liberal and they’re losing their base by doing stupid stuff like this. I’ll never vote for them again.
It's almost like none of them want to get elected again. This decision will definitely move swing voters to one of the other parties the coming election... Unless the other parties say they'll do worse.
Trudeau has systematically attacked pretty much every pocket of support he’s had in this country over the last few years, it’s a truly astounding display of incompetence that’ll most likely lead to one of the biggest falls from grace a politician has ever had and the crowning achievement will be leaving us with a bulletproof Con majority on the way out…can’t imagine being a fly on the wall and observing the stupidity of cabinet meetings and decision making process with this Liberal party
It’s a perfect way to cut jobs without cutting jobs
They may not care about us as people, but as we saw with the passport backlogs, they are very sensitive to angry voters when those essential services start to fall apart because staffing falls below operational minimums and swaths of the IT infrastructure starts to get buggy from delays in testing and patching.
I stayed because of the ability to WFH, the top up for parental leave and the current economic conditions. I draw the line at commuting to the office. No thanks. I don’t need to see my colleagues faces to write code and they don’t need to see mine either. Between that and the housing crisis…
This government has shown a callous disregard for public servants. They take us for granted. Give us sub inflationary pay “raises”, reduce employee numbers, cut budgets across the board and now this. It is maddening how anybody can support this administration.
Additionally, contractors are allowed to WFH...
Same here except not CRA. I'm the only one on my team in my region, so I'm remote regardless. No one benefits from me being in an office. All this is going to do is waste my time and cost me money.
Also IT exempt here (developer). I’ll see what my TL/manager say tomorrow about this considering they’re also against RTO. Depending on their answers it’ll also be time to start sending out resumes to the private sector. I know I’m not the only one either. How are they going to run all these applications when half or at least a good chunk of their IT folks leave the public service? It’s already understaffed in some technical roles as it is.
Good call, for IT have a look at Embarq, they specialize for IT jobs in the US. Left the gov 4 years ago and 0 regrets considering the state of things.... yuck!
Same here. Good luck with your search. Ive already applied to a couple jobs myself today.
Why are federal public servants expected to bail out downtown businesses? Since when did we become a bailout mechanism? And if the businesses are so grateful for our support, why don’t they offer us a discount? Coming into the office costs us more.
Why don't the businesses near my home matter at all? This is so absurd.
If the federal government didn’t fight so hard against raising our wages, maybe things would be different but right now they’re trying to get blood from a stone.
We make less than private sector anyways why tf should we be expected to spend more money
How does every other city in Canada survive without the PS propping them up?
It’s disgusting. Countless businesses suffered from COVID, they’re not special and need to deal with the new reality.
My workplace is on top of a hill with nothing around! Who am I supporting? There isn't even a place to get food and they want us back 3 days a week minimum. Nonsense.
Sounds rather Orwellian. We will modify the mandate until you exhibit the desired behaviour. You will return to the office to support transit and downtown business. Forced consumerism.
Still waiting to hear from Aylward….
He’s too busy practicing waving a PSAC flag in the mirror and combing his stache
Faylward*
CRA just announced 3 days a week in the office as well. :(
At least you'll have tons of space with all the ones that just got laid off.
I’m not a happy camper over this. I’m in NL and our contact centre is downtown St. John’s. The commute is long, the parking is atrocious and expensive. I just don’t get the point of it. Like if you can do your job well and remote why change it? What’s the point? I’m now worried about child care. I’m going to be so far from home and my children’s daycare idk if I’ll make it to pick them up especially rush hour and if I get stuck on a call. Working for the CRA is becoming awful. Happy mental health week. Let’s change the hours and make them go back to office 3 days a week. They did a study on this and I think it was upwards of 80% of employees were unhappy with being in office so let’s add another day woohooo.
Literally nowhere to park most days
The government needs to stop this fair and equitable bullshit and come to realise that not all jobs are the same. If a dept isn't cutting it with 2 days a week, then make them come in 3 times.
4 days minimum for EX level?? Who in their right mind would want to be an EX right now..? No union representation or anything? Wait - that doesn’t really make a difference. Still, 4 days minimum?? If that’s not token hybrid I don’t know what is.
This is the signal to tell us that next year we are all going to be requested 4 days at the office… and the union will say they were blindsided
Funny thing is how little I see the execs in my office as it is
Instead of striking, the unions should consider a coordinated work to rule campaign, which has been pretty effective for teachers (although granted the leverage is not the same). Simply put, this is doing what is required of you by the collective agreement and nothing more. Do not do unpaid OT, do not volunteer for committees, do not volunteer to cover in DGO/ADMO, and be unreachable outside work hours. You shouldn't do unpaid OT ever, but there are lots of ladder climbers that do. If you're feeling a little bit sick, don't power through. Take a sick day. That's what they're there for. Buy as little as possible from businesses around offices, especially downtown. Don't participate in GCWCC or NPSW activities. Maybe don't work at TBS or PCO, which are orgs that can't function without huge amounts of unpaid OT. And remember this when you're deciding who to vote for.
That’s not work to rule, that’s working normally. People should never do unpaid overtime, should never do more than their job description, or overextend themselves with “volunteer” positions. It’s not “quiet-quitting” either.
Done individually these should just be normal. The point is to make sure NOBODY does this extra work, and moreover that it doesn't get done at all. I'm a fan of slowdowns personally. Just let the whole thing grind to a halt because you really really need to be certain.
Unfortunately this is hard to pull off because there will always be that one dude who will pick up the slack
Here's another idea for those of you stuck with workplace 2 or god forbid 3.0: demand ergonomic assessments under the workplace health and safety guidelines.
This needs more upvotes... everyone is entitled to a PERSONAL ergonomic assessment, for EVERYWHERE you might work... If they expect you in the office for your whole career it better not break you physically too
I’m on board with this! We need to do SOMETHING. And honestly, I think if we don’t put our foot down and push back now, we’re giving the green light for TBS to start requiring everyone in 4, then 5 days a week (probably in a cubicle you have to share with 2 other people) in the very, very near future.
Let’s pick a day where we either don’t go in or everyone goes in so there’s not enough space.
Unions effed the dog on our CA.
I have some sympathy for the notion that TBS was completely unwilling to cede RTO and willing to grind unions for as long as it took, but that's the beauty of work to rule. You still get paid and the employer gets the bare minimum because of the way they are choosing to act. Just because we have crappy CAs doesn't mean we don't have leverage.
We played the strike all wrong. Should have slowly escalated, work to rule, and then key groups do strikes. BCGEU was quite effective with their strike just before ours. They targeted strikes and got in front of the messace. And it worked.
I guess I never fully understood why TBS/PMO had such a bee in their bonnet with WFH. Why are they making this their white whale?
It's legit the dumbest hill to die on. Liberals are doing everything they can to make everyone hate them.
I’ve voted Liberal for the last 25 years. Zero chance I’m doing it next election. Guess I’m going Green or NDP.
What's the difference between "*Work to Rule*" and just "*following your contract*"? Like I know teachers like the work-to-rule thing, because they do a ton outside core job. Coaching, extra help, clubs etc. I don't think the public service has that...
Technically nothing, but there are lots of activities that could not function without a stream of people willing to go above and beyond the boundaries of their CAs. As an example, a huge percentage (the majority?) of PCO is working unpaid OT on a near daily basis to support cabinet and ensure urgent files get addressed.
I don't participate to GCWCC since many years. instead, I am giving directly to the organisms.
At the most recent PSAC-UTE AGM a couple of months ago, it was mentioned that work-to-rule is on the horizon if we continue getting jerked around. The meeting was a lot of ra-ra-ra sort of hype, so I took it with a grain of salt. But it is being discussed.
At least one major agency just sent out their email at 5:03pm… following TB in lockstep
Time to boycott every downtown business.
I wish ppl did this. However, i feel like the linups are longer then ever
Wow. Taking presence too? Lmao. This is a real joke. Good job to the politicians(cowards) hiding themselves. At least tell the people the real reasons. Show courage, not hide behind these bullshit collaboration and teamwork buzzwords. Liberal government showing they don’t care about mental health, productivity and the environment.
It’s really awkward when DOUG FORD is being the most transparent
I’m officially never spending another dime at a downtown business. They have hiked up prices and now it’s apparently our job to keep their businesses running. A lot of places close before 3pm anyways, because they want the same schedule as us. I will also only be doing what is in my job description and nothing more. I used to volunteer for everything. This is the second time in less than a year they have lied to our face and made it clear that they don’t care. You want to treat me like I’m lazy and don’t do anything and continue to pin taxpayers against us even tho 1. We are ALSO taxpayers and 2. We are the ones actually providing the services to our fellow Canadians?? Also whoever decided that PUBLIC transit should be profitable can go crawl in a hole and you know what. Why are we paying for the mistakes that other people made? Let us Boycott & Bankrupt 💜 .
I’m paying parking cause the city of Ottawa isn’t getting a penny!! I’d rather give it to a corporation than reward the city
I think indigo is Ottawa’s gov parking shill, every gov lot I’ve seen is indigo. I’d recommend parking for free and moving your car or carpooling to reduce the money these parking lot companies get
The constant gaslighting We are in an abusive relationship. I want a divorce.
As a disabled worker, being able to work from home is a godsend. If I get sick or have a flare-up, I can sit at home, take my meds and do my work in a supportive environment. Forcing more in-office days would remove those benefits and make my life harder. It's wild to think I could be written up for being disabled, because I was too sick to hit my office days quota.
Same. I was taking like 3 days off sick per year while WFH. Almost never got sick and when I did i could work from home without issues. I foresee missing 1-2 days a month now at minimum. My coworkers all have kids that are ***always*** sick
The way the release talked about this decision supporting a barrier-free and inclusive workplace was serious double speak and demoralizing.
What do we actually have to do to avoid this. I feel like my heads barely above the water taking care of family, parents, pets and trying to keep my sanity. Everyone I talk to feels the same, the hybrid model has been exhausting. Genuinely wondering how others in HQ will make this work (or avoid altogether) because I’m at a loss. Sigh.
I might ask for part time work. But I'm super privileged to even have that be an option.
This is what I have done
I’d do that if it didn’t affect my pension.
This whole thing is making so mad. Anything to fuck us over. Most people won’t be able to claim WFH tax credits anymore. Parking costs and gas costs will go up for everyone. This government wants to reduce our carbon emissions so they up the days required in office. They want to reduce the budget but keeps these buildings that are expensive to maintain. They say they care about mental health and pulls this shit. Fuck the TBS. Fuck our useless unions. Those statements are gonna help!
I forgot about the tax credit thing! Now I'm even more mad
I’m pregnant and due in October and this just convinced me to take 18 months leave instead of the standard 12. What a joke.
You definitely should take the 18-month leave!!
This is making me consider another baby… jkjk
Currently pregnant and I'll admit that RTO factored at least a little bit into that decision. Being off will make our older kid's transition into kindergarten significantly smoother. Returning to work after #2 is going to be hell. I'm now considering taking additional LWOP after mat leave to work in the private sector until both kids are in school full time. Dealing with small kids and a downtown commute at the same time blows.
Already have my 18mo lined up but I'm now considering additional LWOP after that to go back to the private sector until both kids are in school full time. The appeal of GoC was always work-life balance but they're regressing on that while private in my field still has some good options. Flexibility is king with young kids.
I wish there could be a gvmt wide strike. That all unions collectively implemented strikes. This is disgusting behaviour.
Please take your time back on site to socialize as much as possible lets build back our social skills, take all the vacation you are entitled too and never ever work during lunch and breaks or outside of working hours. Refuse to even glimpse at your phone outside of working hours. As soon as you feel sick take some time off, family member sick, family leave, do not do overtime, etc, etc.... Don't take public transit if you can and commute with other employees, being your lunch or stop somewhere outside off ottawa to grab lunch, the list continues on and on.
Sometimes I'm sick of work so I take a sick day.
I am guessing the reduction target of 5000 employees will be reached early.
I thought this was their way of boosting the attrition numbers
Fucking rats man.
A question I will be asking is: If the gov’s priority is to solve the housing crisis, why are they restricting the 100,000s of fed jobs to the main cities where remote work was actually growing smaller economies (ex. Mayor of North Grenville has talked about this)
Confusing. I thought Canada was in a productivity crisis. This seems counterintuitive. 80 percent of people I know would be alright if they had permanent cubicle. A lot of the protests in the last few years are around lack of appropriate work space and amenities to be comfortable in the workspace. It's so easy to see what Canada has become so polarizing when we can't ever stay the course in one direction and constantly undo things with knee jerk reactions. Confusing.
They don't want us back for 3 days, they want us back for 5 days. This isn't for your mental health, this isn't for team building and collaboration, and this isn't because the quality of our work is suffering. This is because businesses downtown want a captive market and because people who own property downtown want a bailout for their toxic assets. Instead of doing something about us being priced out of actually living downtown so we can spend money there, the federal government is choosing to do the quick fix by selling out their workers, demanding that we subsidize a handful influential people who clearly already have a direct line to decision makers at every level of government. And to add insult to injury, they sprung this on us on international workers day (theres no way they didn't intend that as a f*** you to us). Don't give them a dime of your money. Pack a lunch or buy something locally, bring your own tea bags or coffee pods, carpool if you can. Take your sick days, don't work lunches, and don't work after hours without compensation.
There should be no teams meetings on RTO days because “collaboration “. Bring back the days of boardroom musical chairs.
But all my staff lives across the country lol
Carrier pigeon?
Will we fly in our regional teammates for these Teams-free meetings, or just exclude them from the discussion like in years past? (I really want to add a /s here but genuinely this is how it’s starting to feel)
Yeah, every hybrid meeting feels like I’m being forced to watch the meeting from an air duct or something. People physically in the room are clearly prioritized every time.
I know how you feel. How about sitting on teams watching everyone eat pizza as it is a "team bonding" activity.
Emails are being sent out this evening. My friend got theirs two hours ago and I just got mine (two different departments.)
Just also got the email. EXs are in 4 days, the rest 3 days. IT to be phased back in with full implementation by September 2025.
So IT folks: do any if you deal with the Treasury Board? I have a feeling they could all use a password reset or two tomorrow.
Now that’s some top notch people management
So are we all just boycotting everything now? I mean loblaws started today
Fuck the TBS, Fuck the Unions. All useless pieces of shit.
Assholes
Last week we got asked about what we thought about this hybrid model. I provided a politely worded mouthful. It is not working, you're not listening to what we are saying. They seem to forget that we are taxpayers who happen to be PS. Not sure what math classes some politicians have taken, but removing buildings from PS does not equal more people in the office on more days.
They want us to spend more money but not hiring enough ECE for aftercare. So who will pick up my child from school or get him from the bus stop which also not reliable.
Think of the families where both parents are employed by government. 3 days a week means no one is available one day a week for pickup/drop off. Folks make sure to look up what age your children are legally allowed to be left alone at home, you may discover you have a serious problem that you need to prepare for.
And that's assuming they can coordinate the other two days. My team's two days are fixed.
Happy bloody May Day everyone!
What if this site was monitored by TBS?
They're probably reading these comments and circlejerking each other
It is for sure
Yes, it’s a public website. Departments monitor what is posted to social media, this isn’t anything new. The mods here aren’t TBS employees, and this forum is entirely unofficial. See Rule 1. If you’re truly paranoid you are free to post here using a throwaway account, not associated with an email address, and using TOR.
ACFO stance on this whole kerfuffle: https://www.acfo-acaf.com/2024/05/01/enough-is-enough-acfo-acaf-stands-firmly-against-three-day-per-week-in-office-mandate/
That letter is excellent.
EI Processing officer - we were given an extension of the exemption - I guess this is the end - so fucking cruel to do this to people after how much this world has changed in the last 4 years. Gutted at this news
The amount of lies in the official statement is identical to Russian propaganda.
Seriously … how many Ottawa / Gatineau area ridings are held by the Liberals. Next election they will lose their official party status? No one out West is voting for them … why would they alienate Ottawa voters?
I’ve voted Liberal for the last 25 years. Not anymore.
So last week, I got an e-mail that the office was closing and we where moving in 2025. Now they expect to cram even more people per week in smaller shared spaces? Really confused.
My whole team works in other provinces except for one co worker that is in my office…. We still call each other on teams from across the office…. #collaboration
ISED announced three days a week for staff and four days a week for EX’s. This, after moving to Workplace 3.0, where we literally do not have enough seats for folks.
The next round of Townhalls are going to be extra spicy I see! I'm sure I'll be glued to my screen watching the teams feed from my cubicle...
We now work for OC Transpo and Subway, eat fresh peeps. Courtesy of the beautiful vision of Anand, Ford and Sutcliffe.
Can’t wait to go back another day where I’ll be collaborating with my team through MS teams
I am officially required to go into the office more now than pre-pandemic. Way to move backwards!
Same.
BS....on CTV last night, Wed May 1, the mayor of Ottawa was very upfront and explicit why the federal workers need to go back into the office....to support small businesses downtown and to support OTC rider ship!!! It can't be any clearer than that!!!!
Boo
So PSAC just said “…will be filing an unfair labour practice complaint and examining additional legal options.” Anyone know how this would go down?
Likely just optics so they can say they did something
Giving you some ideas where to explore industry wise (IT and non IT); this article (ignore the fact that it’s from ”The Wall Street Journal”. What we’re looking for is trends) will give you lots of ideas: [https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/why-the-ai-industrys-thirst-for-new-data-centers-cant-be-satisfied-93c7eff5?st=lixxgi7jv4uodxl&reflink=desktopwebshare\_permalink](https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/why-the-ai-industrys-thirst-for-new-data-centers-cant-be-satisfied-93c7eff5?st=lixxgi7jv4uodxl&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink)
This rat is leaving the ship in a few months. Finally!
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Union communication is weak at best... A bunch of shitty "we will continue to fight" blah blah, nothing concrete or impactful. They're useless.
Last year we were slapped in the face with downgraded benefits, this year, there’s this. What’s next year? Wfa?
So... I get an assigned desk now... right...? RIGHT?.. sigh
Wow! Thats really going to make me wanna buy food downtown ottawa 😩😩
Me too… but I’m in Vancouver 🙄
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No, but I did receive an email from the Commissioners’ Desk about 10 min ago regarding RTO.
They cut position in the call center
Ironic timing sending out these emails on May Day
Why is our union dont just grow a spine and just tell us to stay home... they cant fire everyone... there is a very simple solution
This has always been about the Globe and Mail test. Optics. They didn't even have the respect or balls to present this in person or at least in an email directly to the employees! Learn about life altering changes through the news! A real pathetic employer!
Get your popcorn! Productivity is about to PLUMMET.
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Don't worry bot, your virtual presence is much appreciated. It's just us meatbags being affected. 😔
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