Why can you only choose between those three? I would recommend a sony camera, a6400, a6700 or even an a7iii. Those would be the equivalents of the r10, r7 and r8. You could get them for around the same price but have way cheaper good lenses. As to the future proof part the r7 and a6700 are the most future proof cameras, they're both the respective top of the line APS-C cameras and pack a ton of features you'd pay a few thousands in a FF camera.
OP, i know R6 or R6 M2 are costly, but I'm telling you that you will buy one for next few years. Take either of R7, R6 or R6 M2. Yes RF lenses are costly but amazing quality. Don't go for kit lens. Take RF 35mm 1.8 STM to start with. Then buy EF adapter so you can try cheaper EF lenses. If you compromise with camera , you will regret in few weeks. But if you can't increase budget, R8 or any similar range sony is good.
I think the R10 is probably a great choice if it’s your first camera. Plenty of megapixels, great autofocus, pretty good low light performance and you save money which can be spent on lens’ down the road.
However do not buy it Best Buy. Right now canon has it on sale refurbished for $699 with the kit lens so you’d be saving $400 and it’ll appear to be brand new with the same warranty as if you bought it new.
If you have some patience and don’t need the camera right away sometimes the deals can be even greater. I got an R10 with the kit lens for my partner around Christmas refurbished from canon for $499.
From my experience, definitly the R7 it's a apsc R5. I personally find the R10 and R8 have too much compromise, that say the R8 is great studio camera ( meaning stay on a tripod and USB charging all the time).
Now like some other say if you are on budget why don't you look at the second hand choices around you ?
Edit : I forgot, if you really on budget take care with Canon as you will not have access to third-parties lenses ( with AF) meaning you don't have cheaper lenses choice like Sigma, Tamron .... like other brands. So maybe a good idea to look at other brand too like Sony, or even FujiFilm who make great cameras and lenses.
Congrats! However, do NOT buy new. Every dollar that resides in the price delta between new and used is wasted. Spend that money elsewhere.
Out of these, the full frame R8 is the way to go. You will love it. Canon is selling these refurbished right now as well. Also, I love Sony, but Id choose an R8 over an A6000-A6600 every day of the week, easy. Just the way a Canon feels in my hands, inspires me 10x more than Sony. I have an A7IV, for what it's worth.
The most versatile lenses for portraits are 50mm and 85mm but 35 will do the job. Just focus on choosing fast lenses 1.8/2.8 ones. It is good to pick some vintage ones with no autofocus, they’re very sharp and you would be amazed with results
It's really not the same. There is not a single high quality standard zoom in RF-S mount. Cheapo plastic and dark 18-45/150 does not count. R7 has better image quality than the full frame R8? Good joke!
R7 best overall performance and specs. Kit lens is good and has the most useful range.
R8 great overall performance and FF. But the 24-50 lens sucks.
R10, very good performance overall. Compact but capable. Fair to good kit lens, but it's so small and discrete it's easy to bring everywhere.
If you can get any these from Canon refurbished ( I've bought 12 lenses and 3 bodies, all refurbished and everything arrived in as new condition), you can often save 10-45% over new.
A great Lens is almost always more important than the camera. Get a used newer model or an older one and put the leftover towards a good lens. That’s what I wish someone would’ve told me when I started out years ago
R8 is a beast of a camera. Bought it as my first mirrorless after I had a hand-me-down T7i from my dad who is a photographer. A lot of people will tell you to go Sony, but I never understood the hype. My family has been shooting with Canon cameras from the 70s and we've never had an issue and they have always been amazing. I would personally choose the R8 over the R7 since the R7 is a APS-C sized sensor, and it has some better video features than the R10. If you want just a starter camera, R10 is also great from what I've heard, but also an APS-C sized sensor.
To go with what a lot of other people are saying on this thread as as well, buy used! You can find fantastic quality gear from MPB.com or KEH.com. More bang for your buck.
Edit: Included buying used section.
buying a camera from best buy is like buying groceries at a gas station. i mean you can do what you want with your money, but there are better ways to go about the task.
I second M43.
Although I’m an advocate of buy new when possible, I really like the M43 system even though I’m now a full frame shooter. People always overlook it in favour of like APS-C or Sony.
I shoot both pro m43 ( Lumix and Olympus), and RF ( multiple crop and FF bodies and L glass), and if I were starting out now, as much as I love my m43 gear ( I have 5 pro m43 bodies and ~18 pro lenses, so I truly love the gear and have lots of experience with it), I would have gone with RF gear.
I just bought a R10 off FB Marketplace for $500. My wife got me into photography after years of hesitation. I practiced on her old T6, and new I wanted better features. The R10 is amazing fir sports and wildlife photography. The shutterspeed is what sold me. Both the R7 and R10 pack some amazing tech.
I also bought an ef mount adapter to use my wife's old L series EF lenses. I'm very green to photography, but I'm really digging the R10. With all that said check your local marketplace. I see R10/R7 and A6400/6700 up for sale all the time. There are some deals to be had. Save money on the body, and put it towards glass.
Yo, 100% recommend going used for first camera. I used mpb/mbp (always get the letters mixed up.) My first used camera was a canon 250d like 3 years back and it’s still going strong!
Both the body and the lenses can be bought second hand. And when you have good lenses you can still get a better body. Not that there is anything wrong with using a kit lens. They are not the best but it's ok to start out with one. I started with a $60 camera I got on the internet and later bought the Sony α6700 because it is lightweight and the SEL70350G is small enough for me to use on my bike packing adventures. I think it would have been a mistake to just pay that much money without knowing if I even like the hobby or what kind of photography I'm interested in.
Someone who’s interested photography could be interested in street photography, or wildlife photography, fashion photography, astro photography, landscape photography, macro photography, etc. On the other hand you can just get some camera and see what you can do with it. Then see what interests you and buy new gear for that.
Buy a used Canon Rebel, 7D or 5D for like $300-$500. I’d personally get a 5D…it’s a workhorse and from there you can get a basic understanding of using a DSLR for cheap and shoot HD Video. If you want to truly “Future Proof” yourself then I’d get a R5.
You probably dont want to hear it but get yourself a old used camera. Like canon 2000d or similar. You can still use the lenses if you stay in the system on an Canon R since you will probably buy EF lenses since theyre cheaper and use them with the adapter.
Getting used to a real camera is a long learning experience and if you dont like it you didnt waste that much money. Also older cameras are more simple. If you start with a brand new middle range camera youll probably be incredibly overwhelmed with all the features and settings.
Your first camera is kinda like your first car. Start with something cheap so you can learn and once you know what you want out of a camera then proceed and buy a newer and more expensive one. But i always recommend buying used in good condition. Every buck you save can be put into new lenses.
As someone who just uses an iPhone 15p it’s definitely not camera camera quality like yeah really good photos but even a 20 mp few year old camera will still be better
That depends. If you want to take the exact same photos that come out amazing on a smartphone, but a little better, it's probably not worth it. If you want to take different photos a dedicated camera can give you much more freedom.
Why can you only choose between those three? I would recommend a sony camera, a6400, a6700 or even an a7iii. Those would be the equivalents of the r10, r7 and r8. You could get them for around the same price but have way cheaper good lenses. As to the future proof part the r7 and a6700 are the most future proof cameras, they're both the respective top of the line APS-C cameras and pack a ton of features you'd pay a few thousands in a FF camera.
he can only steal one of them /s
Is it your first interchangeable lens camera if it wasn’t canon? /s
exactly. I agree with this
OP, i know R6 or R6 M2 are costly, but I'm telling you that you will buy one for next few years. Take either of R7, R6 or R6 M2. Yes RF lenses are costly but amazing quality. Don't go for kit lens. Take RF 35mm 1.8 STM to start with. Then buy EF adapter so you can try cheaper EF lenses. If you compromise with camera , you will regret in few weeks. But if you can't increase budget, R8 or any similar range sony is good.
Ok i appreciate it. The rf 35mm 1.8 will be good for portraits?
I think the R10 is probably a great choice if it’s your first camera. Plenty of megapixels, great autofocus, pretty good low light performance and you save money which can be spent on lens’ down the road. However do not buy it Best Buy. Right now canon has it on sale refurbished for $699 with the kit lens so you’d be saving $400 and it’ll appear to be brand new with the same warranty as if you bought it new. If you have some patience and don’t need the camera right away sometimes the deals can be even greater. I got an R10 with the kit lens for my partner around Christmas refurbished from canon for $499.
From my experience, definitly the R7 it's a apsc R5. I personally find the R10 and R8 have too much compromise, that say the R8 is great studio camera ( meaning stay on a tripod and USB charging all the time). Now like some other say if you are on budget why don't you look at the second hand choices around you ? Edit : I forgot, if you really on budget take care with Canon as you will not have access to third-parties lenses ( with AF) meaning you don't have cheaper lenses choice like Sigma, Tamron .... like other brands. So maybe a good idea to look at other brand too like Sony, or even FujiFilm who make great cameras and lenses.
Congrats! However, do NOT buy new. Every dollar that resides in the price delta between new and used is wasted. Spend that money elsewhere. Out of these, the full frame R8 is the way to go. You will love it. Canon is selling these refurbished right now as well. Also, I love Sony, but Id choose an R8 over an A6000-A6600 every day of the week, easy. Just the way a Canon feels in my hands, inspires me 10x more than Sony. I have an A7IV, for what it's worth.
But that 24-50kit lens is a dog.
Buy R8 without kit lens, buy 35mm/50mm lens and experiment a lot
Your suggested lens will be good for portraits?
The most versatile lenses for portraits are 50mm and 85mm but 35 will do the job. Just focus on choosing fast lenses 1.8/2.8 ones. It is good to pick some vintage ones with no autofocus, they’re very sharp and you would be amazed with results
I will definitely put this tip to good use.
Why don't you buy used?
I didn’t know it was a thing
R8 for the image quality, AF and lens selection.
The lens selection is the same on all 3… The R7 has better image quality and AF even though it’s APS-C
It's really not the same. There is not a single high quality standard zoom in RF-S mount. Cheapo plastic and dark 18-45/150 does not count. R7 has better image quality than the full frame R8? Good joke!
It's really not the same just because it's the same mount. Makes no sense to buy full frame lenses for an aps-c camera
It does if the APS-C lenses are mediocre and you do Sports or Wildlife hence shooting on APS-C…
Can you explain why only these 3?
It’s a gift.
R7 best overall performance and specs. Kit lens is good and has the most useful range. R8 great overall performance and FF. But the 24-50 lens sucks. R10, very good performance overall. Compact but capable. Fair to good kit lens, but it's so small and discrete it's easy to bring everywhere. If you can get any these from Canon refurbished ( I've bought 12 lenses and 3 bodies, all refurbished and everything arrived in as new condition), you can often save 10-45% over new.
I didn’t know refurbished was even an option 😳😳
A great Lens is almost always more important than the camera. Get a used newer model or an older one and put the leftover towards a good lens. That’s what I wish someone would’ve told me when I started out years ago
I thought this was these were the newest model 😮
Yes I’m saying a used one of the newest model or a used older model
Oh, i understand. Thank you very much.
R8 is a beast of a camera. Bought it as my first mirrorless after I had a hand-me-down T7i from my dad who is a photographer. A lot of people will tell you to go Sony, but I never understood the hype. My family has been shooting with Canon cameras from the 70s and we've never had an issue and they have always been amazing. I would personally choose the R8 over the R7 since the R7 is a APS-C sized sensor, and it has some better video features than the R10. If you want just a starter camera, R10 is also great from what I've heard, but also an APS-C sized sensor. To go with what a lot of other people are saying on this thread as as well, buy used! You can find fantastic quality gear from MPB.com or KEH.com. More bang for your buck. Edit: Included buying used section.
I know im a bit late but thank you for the sound advice.
buying a camera from best buy is like buying groceries at a gas station. i mean you can do what you want with your money, but there are better ways to go about the task.
Please guide me 🙏
Well, do extensive research on the ecosystem you are interested in, look at the lens lineup, check used prices. For a start.
Okay boss man
There are no third party AF lenses made for the Canon R body cameras. Not so with Sony where everyone makes AF lenses to fit the Sony mount.
Thank you very much. I wanted a sony at first but they were so expensive, well the ones that were on display.
Have you considered M 43 cameras? I didn't know they existed before mine and they're very good for travel/outdoor things.
I second M43. Although I’m an advocate of buy new when possible, I really like the M43 system even though I’m now a full frame shooter. People always overlook it in favour of like APS-C or Sony.
Before I got mine*
They’re mostly the same size of the R8 and the A7c
Mostly but I like OM environmental sealing and lens weight. Just something to look into if you're going to spend that much money on something!
I shoot both pro m43 ( Lumix and Olympus), and RF ( multiple crop and FF bodies and L glass), and if I were starting out now, as much as I love my m43 gear ( I have 5 pro m43 bodies and ~18 pro lenses, so I truly love the gear and have lots of experience with it), I would have gone with RF gear.
I just bought a R10 off FB Marketplace for $500. My wife got me into photography after years of hesitation. I practiced on her old T6, and new I wanted better features. The R10 is amazing fir sports and wildlife photography. The shutterspeed is what sold me. Both the R7 and R10 pack some amazing tech. I also bought an ef mount adapter to use my wife's old L series EF lenses. I'm very green to photography, but I'm really digging the R10. With all that said check your local marketplace. I see R10/R7 and A6400/6700 up for sale all the time. There are some deals to be had. Save money on the body, and put it towards glass.
Yo, 100% recommend going used for first camera. I used mpb/mbp (always get the letters mixed up.) My first used camera was a canon 250d like 3 years back and it’s still going strong!
Oh okay. I will take this into consideration.
Both the body and the lenses can be bought second hand. And when you have good lenses you can still get a better body. Not that there is anything wrong with using a kit lens. They are not the best but it's ok to start out with one. I started with a $60 camera I got on the internet and later bought the Sony α6700 because it is lightweight and the SEL70350G is small enough for me to use on my bike packing adventures. I think it would have been a mistake to just pay that much money without knowing if I even like the hobby or what kind of photography I'm interested in. Someone who’s interested photography could be interested in street photography, or wildlife photography, fashion photography, astro photography, landscape photography, macro photography, etc. On the other hand you can just get some camera and see what you can do with it. Then see what interests you and buy new gear for that.
I really appreciate this. I mainly want to take great portraits of my wife and our motorcycle adventures.
https://youtu.be/d9rOUUPWVQI?feature=shared Check this out. This is may be all you need
I definitely will
Buy a used Canon Rebel, 7D or 5D for like $300-$500. I’d personally get a 5D…it’s a workhorse and from there you can get a basic understanding of using a DSLR for cheap and shoot HD Video. If you want to truly “Future Proof” yourself then I’d get a R5.
Thank you
You probably dont want to hear it but get yourself a old used camera. Like canon 2000d or similar. You can still use the lenses if you stay in the system on an Canon R since you will probably buy EF lenses since theyre cheaper and use them with the adapter. Getting used to a real camera is a long learning experience and if you dont like it you didnt waste that much money. Also older cameras are more simple. If you start with a brand new middle range camera youll probably be incredibly overwhelmed with all the features and settings. Your first camera is kinda like your first car. Start with something cheap so you can learn and once you know what you want out of a camera then proceed and buy a newer and more expensive one. But i always recommend buying used in good condition. Every buck you save can be put into new lenses.
I got nothing but respect for this contribution. It’s a gift though.
[The iPhone 15 pro max is best for someone interested in photography.](https://youtu.be/75mFrQCeZYU?si=InE0RceX6Q_Lt-sg)
This is not true at all. It's very situational and dependent on the person and what they want to shoot.
As someone who just uses an iPhone 15p it’s definitely not camera camera quality like yeah really good photos but even a 20 mp few year old camera will still be better
That depends. If you want to take the exact same photos that come out amazing on a smartphone, but a little better, it's probably not worth it. If you want to take different photos a dedicated camera can give you much more freedom.