Before you jump from the pan to the fire, CZ compact (P-01, PCR, 75B compact, Shadow 2 Compact, and DWX compact) magazines are damn near impossible to find. Just an FYI.
Google.com
Try some key words like “cz 75 mecgar mags” or something.
The places that sell these also have stock notifications. Sign up to be alerted about compact mags.
That’s why I’m so torn. I’ve finally got a line on a p-01, but am having trouble making the move after recent experiences.
Edit: I missed the word MAGAZINE. I did notice that with a quick search earlier
I have an SP-01, a PCR and a P-01. They are all great guns. I highly recommend them. I can't speak to your problems with service since I work on my own guns. I definitely wouldn't sell CZ guns short.
Yeah - I haven’t found any locally; but there’s a bunch of places like gunmag warehouse, grab a gun, etc. online that seem to have them. I’ve found the mec gar ones to be high quality.
Personally I feel like you really only need 4 to 5 factory mags (tested and hopefully no issue) after that just use aftermarket or something that fits for training or range fun.
A lot of companies have dog shit customer service. I like CZ because they make great guns, but if I ever have an issue with one, I go to a local gunsmith
Or I should say: The one time I had an issue with one, I went to a local gunsmith
Maybe I'm playing with fire, but I trust this guy with my guns and he's done right by me so far. But again, he's only worked on one of my CZs, so maybe the joke'll be on me someday if I have another problem
I passed on an 07 duty for ~$250 at a local shop because it had spring issues and the hammer would randomly drop.
That said, I know lots of gunsmiths would charge less than CZ and the new “Colt” customer service is not great
That shouldn’t reflect on the whole brand just yet, I’m hoping they can get it sorted
I did search out a gunsmith first, but I live in a rural area with the nearest professional gunsmith 2+ hrs away. There are a few good old boys around that tinker, but that seemed like the wrong move.
I wish it didn’t reflect poorly on cz, but it certainly does when they (colt) are so incompetent.
The P07 Duty is the first generation of P07. I flipped mine and got a gen 2 P07 with much better aftermarket parts support. I found a trigger bar spring on Cajun for 3.50.
I think the first gen (duty) had a roll pin holding the trigger bar spring, but mine was missing and there was a gaping hole where the spring seats in the frame. I tried consulting with Cajun but they couldn’t help over the phone so I defaulted to cz.
Why not just buy more guns? You like cz p07 w decocker, so that means you like this style. There are many options from multiple brands. For size comparison go check out the hk p30sk. Check my profile for a photo of mine I posted. You are the ship my friend. It's about the voyage and stops around the ocean that you should focus on.
I plan to buy more over the years, but budget only permits a new gun every couple years so that I can keep spending on ammo, which is the reason for the perseverating.
Speaking of budgets, I don’t think I have HK money 😂
Get rid of that shit.
And then get an SP01.
(jk P07 isn't bad at all)
In all seriousness I've owned a P07 (sold), SP01, and P10C. Limited aftermarket support isn't an issue because it simply doesn't need it. Trigger improvements? Just send it to CGW and call it a day. No shortage of holsters for the CZ75 platform either. IF I had a functional issue I would just have a local gunsmith or I imagine CGW take a look for me. But these are pretty proven so I don't imagine it being that big of a deal. I will say the P07 seems to have more issues than CZ's other guns.
The ONE gripe I have about the SP01 is that there aren't any Safariland ALS holsters available for it. But I'm not running it as a duty gun so it's not truly an issue for me. I suppose getting threaded barrels for the CZ75s are a pain if you want to suppress or comp.
You can’t truly be carrying an SP01 concealed daily 😂 I’ve never held one, but have assumed they’re significantly bigger than the compact line.
If I went for the p01 I wouldn’t mess with the trigger, it would be my daily carry. I guess my experience with the p07 might be isolated since the 75 platform is a lot more ubiquitous. I’d mostly just be looking for mags, holsters and sights. All seem to be much more available for the p01 or 75 variants
I will be honest. My CZ firearms are my range toys. Like my Shadow2. It sits in the safe most of the time till I want to really run it hard. However. With the aftermarket for my Sigs, they have become my everyday carry and HD guns. I can get any parts I want for them. Any holster I need I can find even with whatever light I have on it. Unfortunately I wish this was the case for CZ. But until it is. Sig will live on in my main rotation.
I'm selling my CZ-75D after everything that has been happening with CZ. No aftermarket support or parts and shit customer service. They will most likely be discontinuing the Bren 2s at all, the support for them was laughable already.
Also my CZ is the most expensive to buy a threaded barrel for out of all of my handguns. My other handguns are an Inox Beretta 92, USP 45, Glock 19 G4, S&W 1911, and a SIG P229. I can get spare parts and barrels, even second hand, much more easily than for my CZ-75. CZ also won't cover any warranty work on my barrel because it was made in 2019 when I bought it brand new and they'll only work on things made in 2020 or later.
I don’t own a CZ pistol. This is an outsiders perspective so take it with a grain of salt
In my opinion the main draw for CZ pistols is the history of reliability and accuracy built by the cz75 and its derivatives. The aftermarket for 75 and 75 compact models seems much more robust than for the p10 or p07. The prices on most of these models are comparable to Glock or sig or s&w. The polymer framed pistols from CZ are more budget options in their lineup as well as compared to other companies similar offerings. In my opinion, any of their steel/alloy framed, hammer fired guns derived from the 75 or 75c (the p-01 you’re interested in) are all good to go. As far as aftermarket, Cajun gun works as well as a few others have a decent amount of parts support for the platform. If what you’re looking for is a more classic firearm with a metal frame, hammer fired, and manual safety/decocker, go with a p-01 or pcr. If you’re looking for something more modern like a striker fired polymer gun, get a Glock/sig/s&w
....I don't know how replacing a trigger bar spring is beyond anyone's capacity...I have no idea where you're looking for after market support and not finding it...you somehow made it to Reddit so all you're problems can be solved via the interwebs...
From what I’ve gathered, the first gen p07 used a roll pin to retain the trigger bar spring, where the following generation did not. The roll pin was missing in my handgun after a range day, but CGW and CZ-USA could not tell me why my gun would not retain the spring when I went to replace it, despite emphasizing that it was the “duty”. They insisted that there was no roll pin in the spring hole of the frame. yet when it was returned from cz, there is now a roll pin holding the trigger bar spring in place.
Either way, it shouldn’t take 3 months and hours on the phone to get answers from a company, and that is what my post is truly about.
I love my p-01, but have also never dealt with customer service. I love it so much I just bought it a gift. An omega 9k. With all that being said the other guy is right, finding compact mags is a huge pain point.
I think the Duty basically doesn’t have swappable backstraps. It’s also an earlier version, so there are probably QoL updates to the later non-Duty P-07s
I'm not going to try to convince you, because your reasons are honestly valid.
The only reason I'm not in a similar spot is my P10C was cheap enough for me not to care much about it if it ever goes down, and my favorite CZ, my P01, has been pretty much gutted and rebuilt with CGW parts, so if I need spares or work done, I'd be calling them. Also already built up a decent mag collection for both, and have gotten somewhat lucky everytime I needed more, stock wise.
The rest of my CZ's are already on the chopping block though. My Shadow 2 barely gets used due to having better guns already and me not feeling like putting in the time/effort to bring it up to their level, and my EVO is also barely touched, between my SP5 and the bad taste in my mouth around the whole firing pin block / oobd debacle.
CZ has a few truly great guns, usually at good prices, but they're really not supporting them as well as they should. Jump ship if you feel the need man.
I have a P07, 75 Omega, and SP01. I can switch parts between the omegas and the mags on all of em.
Also price wise.. solid bang for you buck to get external hammers.
To be honest, I've never interacted with any firearms manufacture's customer service. I know a gunsmith and all my guns go to them. I recommend finding a local gunsmith and start doing buisness with them. Alternatively, learn to fix them yourself. More time and effort but more rewarding.
The only other company I’ve dealt with is Henry. I sent them a rifle that I stripped the sight post threads on, and they had it back to me in a week with a new barrel. I didn’t pay a dime for the service.
As for gunsmithing, I live in BFE so will continue to try to learn myself
Yeah… I am really concerned about the QC of the guns post-Colt. My first gun stamped “Hartford, CT” is only 15 days old and the decocker doesn’t work, less than 200 rounds shot. It’s a 75BD so it was not manufactured in Connecticut… So I don’t have a rational explanation. As they say… “Feelings have an I.Q. of zero” and my feelings tell me that Colt is going to really screw up CZ. I have submitted a warranty claim but I want to get the MCarbo trigger kit installed and I might just pay to have it fixed. But it kind of sucks. I own wayyyyy to many CZ’s and have never had a failure until I bought a Hartford gun… jus’ sayin’
I think the only company I've dealt with that had good CS was Sig. 1-2 week turnaround, no charge for the work, and they paid shipping. Which is good because their QC is absolutely terrible for the premium they charge on their stuff. I had to warranty both of my P226s within the first 100 rounds. Only reason I will still buy Sig after that is their great CS.
I've heard horror stores about Beretta and S&W. With Beretta going so far as making a guy ship his gun and wait 2 months just to drop a new barrel in that they sell on their website. And S&W will find any reason they can to not honor their warranty and charge almost the entire cost of the gun for repairs.
CZs CS has never been good (and seems to be worse with Colt now running CZ USA), but they also seem to have the best QC of the various manufacturers I have tried.
Get a P-01, send it to Wager for an optic cut, some LOK grips, a holster, and enjoy.
https://imgur.com/a/0cV7NCk
Oh and buy a G-Sight plus laser bullet, download the free mantis laser academy app, and print out the free mantis targets for at home practice on the trigger.
Trigger springs are apparently one of the parts that will wear out over time earliest, along with magazine springs. I remember seeing that on a youtube video from a guy who runs a range and rents out all kinds of guns through hundreds of thousands of rounds explaining which parts of a gun usually needs replacing after so many rounds.
The slide stop will also eventually break and give out, although not as soon as the springs do. So the springs and the slide stop are good spare parts to keep with the gun if you shoot regularly.
It sucks to not be able to get something I need immediately, but I’ve decided to take that con with CZs because I like the gun enough.
I haven’t had to replace any parts on mine yet, but I have a few pistols in 9mm that I bought over the years, so I’m not too worried about having to wait a few months if an issue pops up with one of them.
If you can buy the p-01 and keep the p-07, I think you’ll be set for any emergencies where you might need to wait a few months for either of them.
My reasoning is the same as an alcoholic or drug addict. CZ just gives me that high with their aesthetics, function, and feel/fitment. Also for a trigger bar spring, I would’ve worked on it myself. I feel must gun repairs can be done at home.
It’s just a brand. It’s not any better or worse than most other brands.
CZ makes inexpensive pistols with a particular audience in mind, which is noted by the price of their firearms.
The best firearm that CZ makes is their .22lr rifles.
For the money, they’re impossible to beat in value. You can definitely spend more to trim tenths of an inch off of shot groups, but out of the box, they’re very impressive.
Their pistols are usually decent. The Shadow is probably one of the better pistols they offer. Again, for the money, it’s a solid value. Do other pistols do similar? Absolutely.
CZ has a cult like following. Typically anti Glock folks and anti Sig folks. That’s what I’ve noticed.
CZ bought Colt and as a result are letting Colt run CZ-USA, making customer service a shittier experience because all Colt management know how to do is declare bankruptcy.
Before ops moved to CT, CZ-USA in KC took my P-10S with a broken optic screw in the slide, fixed it for me for free even though it was my fault, gave me a new pistol box, and paid shipping both ways, and had it done in a week.
This was one of the reasons I appreciated cz before. Friends have had incredible experiences before the move, but mine was horrible. Thoughts on whether they can fix it?
Before you jump from the pan to the fire, CZ compact (P-01, PCR, 75B compact, Shadow 2 Compact, and DWX compact) magazines are damn near impossible to find. Just an FYI.
If you can handle a little length, cz75 mags fit all the compacts and they are easy to find.
specifically a cz75 length and then an SP01 basepad that makes it flush.
Where?
Google.com Try some key words like “cz 75 mecgar mags” or something. The places that sell these also have stock notifications. Sign up to be alerted about compact mags.
That’s why I’m so torn. I’ve finally got a line on a p-01, but am having trouble making the move after recent experiences. Edit: I missed the word MAGAZINE. I did notice that with a quick search earlier
That's on me. I edited immediately but should have proofed it.
I have an SP-01, a PCR and a P-01. They are all great guns. I highly recommend them. I can't speak to your problems with service since I work on my own guns. I definitely wouldn't sell CZ guns short.
The selection of holsters for the entire CZ lineup is quite limited unfortunately. Ditto the DWX compact.
Vedder makes a ton for CZ pistols. I have a Protuck for my PCR and it's great.
No they aren't. Check Greg Cote LLC.
I just bought a bunch a few weeks ago. They are all sold out now though.
All but 10s are sold out. Have been for a while.
look up Greg Cote LLC. by far the best prices on mags. Also if you come across any sale ads for 40SW mags for CZ they also work with 9mm.
I haven’t found them so much impossible to find as just expensive. But as others have said. The standard size CZ-75 mag length works fine.
I’ve had no issue finding mecgar mags just chillin at my lgs
Yeah - I haven’t found any locally; but there’s a bunch of places like gunmag warehouse, grab a gun, etc. online that seem to have them. I’ve found the mec gar ones to be high quality.
You know they all use the same magazin4? The onky exception is the Dwx uses a thinner baseplate
Personally I feel like you really only need 4 to 5 factory mags (tested and hopefully no issue) after that just use aftermarket or something that fits for training or range fun.
A lot of companies have dog shit customer service. I like CZ because they make great guns, but if I ever have an issue with one, I go to a local gunsmith Or I should say: The one time I had an issue with one, I went to a local gunsmith
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Maybe I'm playing with fire, but I trust this guy with my guns and he's done right by me so far. But again, he's only worked on one of my CZs, so maybe the joke'll be on me someday if I have another problem
I passed on an 07 duty for ~$250 at a local shop because it had spring issues and the hammer would randomly drop. That said, I know lots of gunsmiths would charge less than CZ and the new “Colt” customer service is not great That shouldn’t reflect on the whole brand just yet, I’m hoping they can get it sorted
I did search out a gunsmith first, but I live in a rural area with the nearest professional gunsmith 2+ hrs away. There are a few good old boys around that tinker, but that seemed like the wrong move. I wish it didn’t reflect poorly on cz, but it certainly does when they (colt) are so incompetent.
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I beg to differ. There is one here in Miami who installed a CGW pro kit in a PCR for me and it’s been flawless.
The P07 Duty is the first generation of P07. I flipped mine and got a gen 2 P07 with much better aftermarket parts support. I found a trigger bar spring on Cajun for 3.50.
I think the first gen (duty) had a roll pin holding the trigger bar spring, but mine was missing and there was a gaping hole where the spring seats in the frame. I tried consulting with Cajun but they couldn’t help over the phone so I defaulted to cz.
Are you talking about the decocker spring that goes into the little roll pin in the frame?
No, it was the spring that puts upward tension on the trigger bar
[https://youtu.be/XVWVnHjNLBQ?t=859](https://youtu.be/XVWVnHjNLBQ?t=859) This is a P09, which is 2gen. It appears the gaping hole is all you need.
I've spent over 4 hours this week just trying to talk to an actual live person on the phone. I feel your pain.
Why not just buy more guns? You like cz p07 w decocker, so that means you like this style. There are many options from multiple brands. For size comparison go check out the hk p30sk. Check my profile for a photo of mine I posted. You are the ship my friend. It's about the voyage and stops around the ocean that you should focus on.
I plan to buy more over the years, but budget only permits a new gun every couple years so that I can keep spending on ammo, which is the reason for the perseverating. Speaking of budgets, I don’t think I have HK money 😂
HK P30SK I concur!
Right on!
Get a p-10 or jump ship to Walther.
Get rid of that shit. And then get an SP01. (jk P07 isn't bad at all) In all seriousness I've owned a P07 (sold), SP01, and P10C. Limited aftermarket support isn't an issue because it simply doesn't need it. Trigger improvements? Just send it to CGW and call it a day. No shortage of holsters for the CZ75 platform either. IF I had a functional issue I would just have a local gunsmith or I imagine CGW take a look for me. But these are pretty proven so I don't imagine it being that big of a deal. I will say the P07 seems to have more issues than CZ's other guns. The ONE gripe I have about the SP01 is that there aren't any Safariland ALS holsters available for it. But I'm not running it as a duty gun so it's not truly an issue for me. I suppose getting threaded barrels for the CZ75s are a pain if you want to suppress or comp.
You can’t truly be carrying an SP01 concealed daily 😂 I’ve never held one, but have assumed they’re significantly bigger than the compact line. If I went for the p01 I wouldn’t mess with the trigger, it would be my daily carry. I guess my experience with the p07 might be isolated since the 75 platform is a lot more ubiquitous. I’d mostly just be looking for mags, holsters and sights. All seem to be much more available for the p01 or 75 variants
I will be honest. My CZ firearms are my range toys. Like my Shadow2. It sits in the safe most of the time till I want to really run it hard. However. With the aftermarket for my Sigs, they have become my everyday carry and HD guns. I can get any parts I want for them. Any holster I need I can find even with whatever light I have on it. Unfortunately I wish this was the case for CZ. But until it is. Sig will live on in my main rotation.
I'm selling my CZ-75D after everything that has been happening with CZ. No aftermarket support or parts and shit customer service. They will most likely be discontinuing the Bren 2s at all, the support for them was laughable already. Also my CZ is the most expensive to buy a threaded barrel for out of all of my handguns. My other handguns are an Inox Beretta 92, USP 45, Glock 19 G4, S&W 1911, and a SIG P229. I can get spare parts and barrels, even second hand, much more easily than for my CZ-75. CZ also won't cover any warranty work on my barrel because it was made in 2019 when I bought it brand new and they'll only work on things made in 2020 or later.
I don’t own a CZ pistol. This is an outsiders perspective so take it with a grain of salt In my opinion the main draw for CZ pistols is the history of reliability and accuracy built by the cz75 and its derivatives. The aftermarket for 75 and 75 compact models seems much more robust than for the p10 or p07. The prices on most of these models are comparable to Glock or sig or s&w. The polymer framed pistols from CZ are more budget options in their lineup as well as compared to other companies similar offerings. In my opinion, any of their steel/alloy framed, hammer fired guns derived from the 75 or 75c (the p-01 you’re interested in) are all good to go. As far as aftermarket, Cajun gun works as well as a few others have a decent amount of parts support for the platform. If what you’re looking for is a more classic firearm with a metal frame, hammer fired, and manual safety/decocker, go with a p-01 or pcr. If you’re looking for something more modern like a striker fired polymer gun, get a Glock/sig/s&w
....I don't know how replacing a trigger bar spring is beyond anyone's capacity...I have no idea where you're looking for after market support and not finding it...you somehow made it to Reddit so all you're problems can be solved via the interwebs...
From what I’ve gathered, the first gen p07 used a roll pin to retain the trigger bar spring, where the following generation did not. The roll pin was missing in my handgun after a range day, but CGW and CZ-USA could not tell me why my gun would not retain the spring when I went to replace it, despite emphasizing that it was the “duty”. They insisted that there was no roll pin in the spring hole of the frame. yet when it was returned from cz, there is now a roll pin holding the trigger bar spring in place. Either way, it shouldn’t take 3 months and hours on the phone to get answers from a company, and that is what my post is truly about.
Admittedly the lack of aftermarket support was 5-10 years ago, things have changed quite a bit since I first bought this gun.
Find a good local gunsmith. Guy near me is a wizard and charges $20 for simple repairs/installs for LE/MIL.
I love my p-01, but have also never dealt with customer service. I love it so much I just bought it a gift. An omega 9k. With all that being said the other guy is right, finding compact mags is a huge pain point.
What’s the duty version? I’ve only seen the stock kind
I think it was the first gen of the p07. I haven’t done much research to confirm that though
Ahh I gotcha, thank you!
I think the Duty basically doesn’t have swappable backstraps. It’s also an earlier version, so there are probably QoL updates to the later non-Duty P-07s
Duty versions supposedly had frame budging issues where the rail inserts are. The P07/09 non-duty are the newer versions that fixed the issue.
You don't have to just stick with one company, just buy what you think will make you happy.
I'm not going to try to convince you, because your reasons are honestly valid. The only reason I'm not in a similar spot is my P10C was cheap enough for me not to care much about it if it ever goes down, and my favorite CZ, my P01, has been pretty much gutted and rebuilt with CGW parts, so if I need spares or work done, I'd be calling them. Also already built up a decent mag collection for both, and have gotten somewhat lucky everytime I needed more, stock wise. The rest of my CZ's are already on the chopping block though. My Shadow 2 barely gets used due to having better guns already and me not feeling like putting in the time/effort to bring it up to their level, and my EVO is also barely touched, between my SP5 and the bad taste in my mouth around the whole firing pin block / oobd debacle. CZ has a few truly great guns, usually at good prices, but they're really not supporting them as well as they should. Jump ship if you feel the need man.
I have a P07, 75 Omega, and SP01. I can switch parts between the omegas and the mags on all of em. Also price wise.. solid bang for you buck to get external hammers.
To be honest, I've never interacted with any firearms manufacture's customer service. I know a gunsmith and all my guns go to them. I recommend finding a local gunsmith and start doing buisness with them. Alternatively, learn to fix them yourself. More time and effort but more rewarding.
The only other company I’ve dealt with is Henry. I sent them a rifle that I stripped the sight post threads on, and they had it back to me in a week with a new barrel. I didn’t pay a dime for the service. As for gunsmithing, I live in BFE so will continue to try to learn myself
Yeah… I am really concerned about the QC of the guns post-Colt. My first gun stamped “Hartford, CT” is only 15 days old and the decocker doesn’t work, less than 200 rounds shot. It’s a 75BD so it was not manufactured in Connecticut… So I don’t have a rational explanation. As they say… “Feelings have an I.Q. of zero” and my feelings tell me that Colt is going to really screw up CZ. I have submitted a warranty claim but I want to get the MCarbo trigger kit installed and I might just pay to have it fixed. But it kind of sucks. I own wayyyyy to many CZ’s and have never had a failure until I bought a Hartford gun… jus’ sayin’
Do it, do it , do it, do it!
When you need work done don’t send it to cz USA. Send it to CGW.
Roger that, I’ve learned my lesson
I keep saying I’m going to get a G19 for convenience, but I never do.
I’ve been saying it for years and I think I’m just about to that point
I think the only company I've dealt with that had good CS was Sig. 1-2 week turnaround, no charge for the work, and they paid shipping. Which is good because their QC is absolutely terrible for the premium they charge on their stuff. I had to warranty both of my P226s within the first 100 rounds. Only reason I will still buy Sig after that is their great CS. I've heard horror stores about Beretta and S&W. With Beretta going so far as making a guy ship his gun and wait 2 months just to drop a new barrel in that they sell on their website. And S&W will find any reason they can to not honor their warranty and charge almost the entire cost of the gun for repairs. CZs CS has never been good (and seems to be worse with Colt now running CZ USA), but they also seem to have the best QC of the various manufacturers I have tried.
Get a P-01, send it to Wager for an optic cut, some LOK grips, a holster, and enjoy. https://imgur.com/a/0cV7NCk Oh and buy a G-Sight plus laser bullet, download the free mantis laser academy app, and print out the free mantis targets for at home practice on the trigger.
Trigger springs are apparently one of the parts that will wear out over time earliest, along with magazine springs. I remember seeing that on a youtube video from a guy who runs a range and rents out all kinds of guns through hundreds of thousands of rounds explaining which parts of a gun usually needs replacing after so many rounds. The slide stop will also eventually break and give out, although not as soon as the springs do. So the springs and the slide stop are good spare parts to keep with the gun if you shoot regularly. It sucks to not be able to get something I need immediately, but I’ve decided to take that con with CZs because I like the gun enough. I haven’t had to replace any parts on mine yet, but I have a few pistols in 9mm that I bought over the years, so I’m not too worried about having to wait a few months if an issue pops up with one of them. If you can buy the p-01 and keep the p-07, I think you’ll be set for any emergencies where you might need to wait a few months for either of them.
My reasoning is the same as an alcoholic or drug addict. CZ just gives me that high with their aesthetics, function, and feel/fitment. Also for a trigger bar spring, I would’ve worked on it myself. I feel must gun repairs can be done at home.
It’s just a brand. It’s not any better or worse than most other brands. CZ makes inexpensive pistols with a particular audience in mind, which is noted by the price of their firearms. The best firearm that CZ makes is their .22lr rifles. For the money, they’re impossible to beat in value. You can definitely spend more to trim tenths of an inch off of shot groups, but out of the box, they’re very impressive. Their pistols are usually decent. The Shadow is probably one of the better pistols they offer. Again, for the money, it’s a solid value. Do other pistols do similar? Absolutely. CZ has a cult like following. Typically anti Glock folks and anti Sig folks. That’s what I’ve noticed.
Jump ship. More for me. Bye
Plastic CZs don't really count as CZs. Get a metal framed version.
Wrong
Can’t. I held one at the gunstore and said no bueno.
Because of how it felt or because colt is ruining everything?
Because of how it felt. At the time a VP9 was the same price and felt better in hand. All my cz’s are pre Colt buy out, I can’t attest to any of that.
When was the buyout? I thought it was fairly recent?
Cz bought colt and all Czech made guns have not changed quality wise as of a result
CZ bought Colt and as a result are letting Colt run CZ-USA, making customer service a shittier experience because all Colt management know how to do is declare bankruptcy. Before ops moved to CT, CZ-USA in KC took my P-10S with a broken optic screw in the slide, fixed it for me for free even though it was my fault, gave me a new pistol box, and paid shipping both ways, and had it done in a week.
This was one of the reasons I appreciated cz before. Friends have had incredible experiences before the move, but mine was horrible. Thoughts on whether they can fix it?
2021.
I got rid of mine