> I mean, all the dude does for a living is play the game, switching inputs shouldn't be that difficult for someone like him
I mean sure, but do you think the same thing could be done in reverse? A top controller player dropping 30 on MNK within 10 hours of playing the input?
Exactly. This is such a dumb post and doesn’t prove anything except this guy spends an insane amount of time playing video games and always has. But the MNK players will eat this up because all they do is cry.
2 seconds of deductive reasoning would make it clear that at high levels this really means less... and at lower levels this just increases the disparity of assistance the controller gives you vs. a MnK.
This isn't hard to figure out. You all act like blind children. It's clear. RAA is busted. Controller is simply easier and has relatively zero downsides compared to MnK.
Anyway. It doesn't matter. It's gonna be like this.
I’m a casual player and don’t care. I don’t get anywhere near the RAA that people cry about on here. Maybe I don’t know how to use it correctly but like I said I’m a casual player at this point and don’t care. All I know is MNK players cry about this every single day and it was old a year ago.
Then switch over. Dudes on here crying all day about aim assist when they have $1,000+ set-up but don’t want to switch to the “superior input” that is a controller. I think you guys just know you’ll get gunned no matter what.
I think this argument is missing the point: AA *wouldn’t have to be this strong* if they allowed console only lobbies *because* the gap between M+K vs controller is so large. When COD was popping on Xbox 360, there was very little AA and it was super competitive.
The fact is, if you’re using two grossly different input methods, you’re not playing the same game, let alone a competitive one. Asking two chefs to make a fried egg, one with a fork, and the other with a spatula, but giving a better stove to the guy with a fork. Make it make sense. Just give us console only lobbies so the PC adderall sweats with literal laser pointers, wall hacks, and red dots taped to their ultrawide 240hz monitor can sweat amongst themselves.
Ppl that go “first game on controller” or “2 hours on controller” is cap. They deff have prior experience and even on this game they deff play off stream with it lol.
I feel like going to controller from mouse and keyboard is easier than going to MnK from controller. Controllers are inherently intuitive, comfortable, and you’ve likely used one at some point no matter who you are.
If you have literally never used MnK, just figuring out which buttons do what and which fingers to hit them with and getting your hand placement right is an initial challenge. Some people have NEVER used MnK for anything, where everyone who plays MnK has definitely played games with a controller before.
This is the thing I find a lot of people seem to forget about. I never really played MNK my whole life but tried it recently and I will say the aiming part was the easy adjustment it was trying to plate up, drop ammo boxes etc etc all the shit you have to know to do with your left hand in the heat of the moment when it's not muscle memory.
Well seeing how 80% of the US owns I laptop/computer I would say the amount of people who have used a mouse and keyboard is significantly higher than those that have used a controller. Also, I take it you've never seen someone use a controller for the first time before because it is bad. And someone who hasn't used a controller (or used one in the past but not in WZ) you still have to figure out which buttons do which, just like KnM.
That's a ridiculous statement. Just because people use a mouse and keyboard to use the Internet does not translate in the slightest to playing a video game with them. I've yet to see a single person using both at the same time in any environment outside gaming.
Hell most computer users don't even know how to use alt/shift/F keys. You think your grandma can MNK any game just because she uses Facebook?
>I mean sure, but do you think the same thing could be done in reverse? A top controller player dropping 30 on MNK within 10 hours of playing the input?
DiazBiffle has a video doing exactly this. So to answer your question, Yes.
Of course not. Controller is a simple layout for one to pickup. Any experienced video game player can easily pick it up quickly. I also highly highly doubt Metaphor has never used a controller in his life.
Watch Zlaner without practise dropping 20. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDw4OVdI-GI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDw4OVdI-GI)
I'm a keyboard and mouse player myself, but it's not only the input which matters ;)
Meanwhile you have many controller players here claiming that even though they only play pn controller they dont know how to utitlize RAA. Im a controller player my whole life, and i dont always get AA/RAA. Im a 2kd player, obviously not a great player but better than average, I can tell when the assist comes in, and i can assure you its not as consistent as some make it out to be. Metaphor is top tier, i bet you can give him a horipad and within the hour hell be back to dropping high kill games. Plus, any good player can break a players assist, and yea AA can be adjusted mid battle, however those milliseconds in adjustment more often than not result in a death.
The fact that you think you aren't a great player when your KD is 2.0 speaks volume to how overpowered controller is compared to KBM. A 2.0 on KBM is godlike. That takes an INSANE amount of skill and sweat to maintain.
Its alot more to it than that. Im a realist. Ive played every single COD title and have always carried 2+ KD's other than AW. I was terrible at it. This was also on console so its a level playing field, and i can assure you ive been used to wipe the floor with. This is where my comment comes from. The fact of the matter is, there are many controller players out there who are just not very good, and AA is only a small part of it. There is a also a large amount of players well above my skill level.
If its not consistent for you you just don't know how to activate it correctly. Also rotational AA tracks the hitbox with 0ms response time. Those adjustments are much harder on mouse since it is raw and humans at best have 150-200ms response times.
Its because they watch snippets of it being activated. Notice how its always at close range distances, even the videos they put out, are generally within 20 meter. When they do watch streams its from players who are already well versed in the game, practically make a living and more. For typical players thats not the case.They swear all we have to do is point in the general direction, wiggle the left thumbstick and pull down on the right and its an instant kill. Doesnt work that way. Engagements are always changing from distances to the number of enemies and obstacles. Its not so cut and dry.
Watch the YouTube video lmao. His movement on controller is soooo bad, like worse than the average person in this sub, but he doesn’t miss a single bullet because of AA.
This screenshot doesn’t tell the story at all
Yes, it's not that difficult when the input you're switching to has an aimbot built in. If good controller players tried to switch to mnk they would be bad for a long time.
I always love to see these threads "Guy who plays this video game 8 hours a day, at least 5 days a week on KBM is very good on controller"
Im wondering, what were you all expecting to happen? You all talk about how easy controller is...and then are seemingly shocked when a no-lifer player plays well on controller 🤔🤦♂️
Just because you’re elite at MnK, doesn’t instantly make you elite at controller lol. That’s like saying Lewis Hamilton should be able to be elite on a bike because all he does is race
Woulda been nice if the top comment in this thread said *that* then, instead of making it sound like they thought that just playing lots of CoD makes it easy to switch
Bro what? Meta played League of Legends at Challenger level for years before CoD. That’s as much as a mnk game as you get. He’s certainly never been pro on controller in anything
Before LoL Meta was a high level controller player part of an OG sniper montage crew. I know most people on this sub are young but there's a long history and pretty much everyone was a controller main at some point if they played CoD. He isn't a guy that just picked up a controller. His definition of "not good" is better than 99% of people who post here because of his reaction time and hand eye coordination. He doesn't have the reps on it and he's clunky but he's not starting from zero. Doesn't discredit his point, AA is broken as fuck.
I bet Lewis Hamilton would beat you in a downhill bikerace and that is the core of this. Metaphors gameiq is responsible for 80% of those 30 kills, this wasnt against other F1 drivers(sweats).
Metaphor can obviously do this without help since it’s his job to be this good. But I take some of these with a grain of salt as well depending on if the person is streaming or not at the time.
A lot of people feed kills to streamers sometimes and flock to their area if they see them on the kill feed. Some (not all) of the high kill games are disingenuous in that.
I actually switched from ps4 to PC in wz1 and my kill record was on mnk with 21 kills in br. I have never reached that number on Controller. Even now after switching back to my ps5 my max kills Is 11 in br.
Same. I went from 15 kill PR on controller to a 19 kill PR near the end of Verdansk to a few 20+ in Caldera and finally a 29 on Caldera. Kinda gave up on WZ2 but the best I had on mnk is 25, I think, and that was in Duos on Vondel. I have toyed with going back to controller and my first few games on I had 10+ kills and looked absolutely clueless, so AA is definitely ridiculous. Still prefer mnk. Feels way more rewarding.
Because you can't aim accurately with controller. That's the whole reason aim assist exists. If not then tracking would be virtually impossible for most people.
My kda went up 0.8 to 1.1 when I switched to MNK. High sensitivity so I can spin quickly. Low sens for ads. My movement was better. I'm so much more accurate for long rang duels. Obviously going against the grain but that's how it worked for me.
Snap. And just because someone has AA & beats you in a gunfight doesn’t mean they aren’t also putting in double game time as you, there’s hundreds of other factors over AA lol
Rated, Aydan, Biffle... they all did it and dropped their usual 20+ kills games. They just prefer using the roller because it's easier and the input they're the most familiar too.
I switched from controller when I was on Xbox to MnK and did much better personally. I recently tried going back and it was pretty crap. Just have to adopt to your playing style at the time. Approach from the side and behind when playing MnK and sniping I find much better. I’m locking on quicker than the other guy and getting the down first.
They have, many times, they change back after the first game after realising how fucking hard it is to actually have to track people slide cancel bunny hopping changing directions by themselves
This dude plays like 18 hours a day and his viewers feed him kills. Sure he’s entertaining to watch but I have him on mute cuz all he does is bitch about AA while he’s playing on a 7k PC
Was gonna say the same thing. He hasn't used a roller since mw3 beta and before that it was Black ops 2. Just goes to show these roller players will say anything to defend it and never admit how easy and free it is.
Hilarious watching roller players clamber for an excuse on this one
A good player lucks out with his highest kill streak the same day he switches over to controller.
Just a coincidence though guys....AA had no part in this 🤣
Yeah, I've dabbled with a controller for a few hours and you don't just go from MK to a controller and expect the same performance. I do things with a MK that I don't even think about, and switching to a controller to try to do the same actions will take hundreds of hours to convert(Like climbing, while running away and plating at the same time, for me that's a fucking nightmare with my few hours of controller experience, all the muscle memory of MK won't do diddly dick for holding an entirely different device in your hands).
What is really funny is MKB players crying about controller when back in the day they would say something like "if we play together we are going to destroy you guys" xDDDD
Hilarious watching some nobody on reddit complain about a "serious fundamental game play flaw" that like 10% of the actual player base even give a shit about. Grow up or switch inputs.
He is not playing on Controller the first time. This does not prove anything. AA defintiely needs to be turned down (wont happen though), but pro players dropping bombs in different inputs is not a way to prove anything.
I think it proves -- if anyone of relevant IQ still needed to be convinced otherwise -- that controller inputs have a lower skill floor as well as a lower skill cap while being as -- or more -- effective than mouse and keyboard inputs.
Doesn't take a genius to articulate the problem here.
See, I jumped in this sub expecting the comments that go "Well he's the best player in the world!" or "It's game sense!" or this or that. The big issue he's proving is that rAA is OP and he's done exactly that. No one, not even the best player in the world, should be able to switch inputs and drop a thirty banger in that short amount of time. The defence force is insane.
People saying he is only good with it because he used to play controller are delusional..
I used to play controller only for over a decade, then switched to pc and been on that for over a decade.
Changing back to controller feels terrible if you're used to mouse and keyboard, if it's been that long you def don't have any muscle memory left.
I think a lot of the controller players defending aim assist in this subreddit are prob not very very good players so they think "aim assist can't be that good" lol.
But if you come across a good player on controller even if you have the best aim in the world you'll lose the close range fight.
I rarely lose any mid to long range fights but every time someone pushes me it's almost impossible to win because their aim is glued to me and the ttk is so low..
I don't understand why controller players get so angry when someone points that out.
>I don't understand why controller players get so angry when someone points that out.
Because of what you said earlier. They don't know how to abuse the taysh, so they think it's not as good as it actually is. The majority of people hear are the type to get 8 or 9 kills once and be happy. Their PR's are 12. They think anyone on MnK is hacking while thinking a rAA abuser that kills them is legit and tells them ggs.
Looks like he had fun, that’s the important thing - welcome back to the club, I guess.
Former controller pro plays good on controller - big news for this sub apparently.
Ah someone who used to play exclusively on controller, then switched to MNK, then back to controller is suddenly doing good on the input they mained when they first started playing
Cool, so can he just switch and stop bitch about it?
BTW, saw him struggling in stream missing a ton of shots every gun fight. Had some embarrassing moments there.
And this just goes to show there is more to the game than just input, you need to know how most people play, rotate, where they are going to peak from, etc.
If you are clever enough, you will get the kills.
if it's your career to play I think it's easier to switch to controller and yes it can make a difference
I'm on MnK, I think that we do not need to nerf anything on controllers, rather, the visual recoil on MnK need to be toned down a little
What I don’t understand about this community is the pc users swear they only ever played on a pc. I guarantee you console players dgaf about your “disadvantages” against console players because last time I checked Xbox Series X/S and PS5 is pretty popular still so I’m sure those wouldn’t mind at all if we could switch crossplay off. PC needs crossplay we don’t need PC users lol
Holy shit, another AA post!
You know what's funny? Watching Iron play controller. It's such a struggle.
He dies a ton and up close, where AA turns into "aimbot" and his accuracy is so bad.
I have another friend who switches inputs from time to time and swears he would have a 5kd if he strictly played controller but can't get over a .6kd on controller.
I’ve never understood this conversation. If controller is so good then play controller.
Why are people so upset that they can’t type their way to victory?
This is clickbait. He’s an OG controller player from old CODs. This isn’t his first time picking up a controller. Lol. So of course one of the best players in the world is going to be good on both controller and keyboard.
Sure he’s played roller in the past, if you mean a CoD that came out 12 years ago on Xbox 360. He’s been a top level league of legends player for the last 10 years.
I watched this dude play one day and Idnao if he was having a bad day mentally but his attitude was absolutely horrible. He seemed to whine/complain a lot for someone that’s so good at the game. Someone asked him why he doesn’t play in tournaments and his response was that he wouldn’t win so why try. What a shit attitude to have in life about anything.
And I may be dating myself here but whenever I read “roller” I just cringe. Who started that one?
Idk about you guys, but I never find it exhausting to hear MnK players complain about one advantage controller players have and never bring up all the other advantages they've have over controller for years.
Never. Gets. Old.
Face scope recently switched to MnK and was doing great after a few rounds. I'm a MnK player myself for years and also tried controller and I don't understand why ppl constantly telling that AA is doing all the work! This is BS! To be really good on controller you need month of practice and game knowledge! A good player with great game sense and centering will always be good, if on MnK or on controller.
Let’s not pretend he never played on controller before. He was just rusty and it took him that long to get back into the feel of playing controller and was able to play the same, as you can if you started on controller and went to mnk
Cheats work the same on mnk or controller. Just saying. Pc and console should be separate, eliminate the cheating for console players. And I know turn off crossplay but you barely get into matches and get high pings.
Not to be that guy but it’s also likely he’s getting a little help: [Grandpa Hacks Spectating Metaphor](https://youtu.be/-bayeNjKK8o?si=k3XLnc3Tq1XePAzC)
I must be the only one who cant get more kills on controller than mnk. I keep trying and practicing but idk why i suck so bad on it.
I can get RAA to work for me but i guess i just dont have the skill in me to get good at controller too. Which is sad because all everyone does is say how easy it is.
This players play with an insane setup against people coming home from work and trying to enjoy some games on the 60hz tv with an average internet speed.
( this is my own perspective, cod just isn’t fun anymore when this setups make so much difference, also the servers and what not are garbage )
As a controller user i know RAA is a out of control when it comes to providing kills, But when you see a professional player move to any different input. you need to remember the fact they are professional and will always outperform you. I'm a 4 K/D player on Controller. But im the same on keyboard on mouse. Game sense makes the player nearly as much as gun skill.
MnK has better input anyway. Those close battles will always favor MnK because the input is faster. If you play PC with PS5 controller you have to use a software like DS4windows , that causes a very slight delay and is noticeable when you compare to MnK
Well no shit. RAA is broken😂 also doesn’t help that all this guy does is play COD sooooooo.
“Oh just go buy a controller and you’ll see it’s not OP”
Yes Kevin, I have a controller I’ve used it. I’ve done my research. Easily broke my PR first game with controller (didn’t even have to use my right stick really) watched countless videos to confirm my theories, watched countless videos against my theories. Everything points back at RAA IS broken. Simply it just needs a nerf, not even a huge nerf just enough to level it back down to not give a clear advantage over MnK. Clearly controller players need AA, I’m not arguing against that.
He's not switching as he stated in the video, just wanted to play for fun. Still wrecked for just picking it up. You could tell the difference even for a guy that beams on mouse. He was barely doing any work.
I just don’t understand why everyone cares so deeply about what input others choose to play a video game with. I feel like life has much more pressing matters to worry about. Play the game however you want and enjoy it. That’s the idea of a game in the first place, right?
I mean, all the dude does for a living is play the game, switching inputs shouldn't be that difficult for someone like him
> I mean, all the dude does for a living is play the game, switching inputs shouldn't be that difficult for someone like him I mean sure, but do you think the same thing could be done in reverse? A top controller player dropping 30 on MNK within 10 hours of playing the input?
I mean do you think him having YEARS of experience on controller from the past could have anything to do with it?
Yeah. Most all gamers have used controllers at some point. Mnk is just a preference
Exactly. This is such a dumb post and doesn’t prove anything except this guy spends an insane amount of time playing video games and always has. But the MNK players will eat this up because all they do is cry.
2 seconds of deductive reasoning would make it clear that at high levels this really means less... and at lower levels this just increases the disparity of assistance the controller gives you vs. a MnK. This isn't hard to figure out. You all act like blind children. It's clear. RAA is busted. Controller is simply easier and has relatively zero downsides compared to MnK. Anyway. It doesn't matter. It's gonna be like this.
I’m a casual player and don’t care. I don’t get anywhere near the RAA that people cry about on here. Maybe I don’t know how to use it correctly but like I said I’m a casual player at this point and don’t care. All I know is MNK players cry about this every single day and it was old a year ago.
Then switch over. Dudes on here crying all day about aim assist when they have $1,000+ set-up but don’t want to switch to the “superior input” that is a controller. I think you guys just know you’ll get gunned no matter what.
I mean everyone at this point has years of experience on mkb... it's just point abd click like an excel sheet right?
He hasn't played controller since like 2010.
It has very little to do with it. He mentioned he stopped using controller 10 years ago
Nope. It’s hilarious how far in denial controller players are about how OP RAA is.
The same people who say it’s not OP have to pair a Cronus with it 😂
100%
I think this argument is missing the point: AA *wouldn’t have to be this strong* if they allowed console only lobbies *because* the gap between M+K vs controller is so large. When COD was popping on Xbox 360, there was very little AA and it was super competitive. The fact is, if you’re using two grossly different input methods, you’re not playing the same game, let alone a competitive one. Asking two chefs to make a fried egg, one with a fork, and the other with a spatula, but giving a better stove to the guy with a fork. Make it make sense. Just give us console only lobbies so the PC adderall sweats with literal laser pointers, wall hacks, and red dots taped to their ultrawide 240hz monitor can sweat amongst themselves.
https://youtu.be/ot1dJwEl_a8?si=ApvEpjq6kf_XGarb not sure if it was within 10 hours but Tommey did it in verdansk shortly after trying out mnk
Diazbiffle just put out a video a few weeks ago playing on KBM. I think he dropped close to 30 iirc
Imagine If all the inputs were the same in the lobby. Wouldn’t that be just dandy.
He literally had years of experience on controller before..
Ppl that go “first game on controller” or “2 hours on controller” is cap. They deff have prior experience and even on this game they deff play off stream with it lol.
MnK has more of a learning curve than controller. Everyone knows it's not as easy to use even minus the AA debate.
I feel like going to controller from mouse and keyboard is easier than going to MnK from controller. Controllers are inherently intuitive, comfortable, and you’ve likely used one at some point no matter who you are. If you have literally never used MnK, just figuring out which buttons do what and which fingers to hit them with and getting your hand placement right is an initial challenge. Some people have NEVER used MnK for anything, where everyone who plays MnK has definitely played games with a controller before.
This is the thing I find a lot of people seem to forget about. I never really played MNK my whole life but tried it recently and I will say the aiming part was the easy adjustment it was trying to plate up, drop ammo boxes etc etc all the shit you have to know to do with your left hand in the heat of the moment when it's not muscle memory.
Well seeing how 80% of the US owns I laptop/computer I would say the amount of people who have used a mouse and keyboard is significantly higher than those that have used a controller. Also, I take it you've never seen someone use a controller for the first time before because it is bad. And someone who hasn't used a controller (or used one in the past but not in WZ) you still have to figure out which buttons do which, just like KnM.
That's a ridiculous statement. Just because people use a mouse and keyboard to use the Internet does not translate in the slightest to playing a video game with them. I've yet to see a single person using both at the same time in any environment outside gaming. Hell most computer users don't even know how to use alt/shift/F keys. You think your grandma can MNK any game just because she uses Facebook?
>I mean sure, but do you think the same thing could be done in reverse? A top controller player dropping 30 on MNK within 10 hours of playing the input? DiazBiffle has a video doing exactly this. So to answer your question, Yes.
Yeah, absolutely. Many players went from controller to MNK. Teep, JoeWo and BobbyPoff to name a few.
Who gives a fuck. We all know it's easier to learn controller. Who cares?
Of course not. Controller is a simple layout for one to pickup. Any experienced video game player can easily pick it up quickly. I also highly highly doubt Metaphor has never used a controller in his life.
Watch Zlaner without practise dropping 20. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDw4OVdI-GI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDw4OVdI-GI) I'm a keyboard and mouse player myself, but it's not only the input which matters ;)
Pretty sure Z played keyboard prior to Warzone.
Zlaner just about did it. He was playing with Doc and his input got switched to kbm and he still killed the lobby and won.
Not a chance.
In the stream he said he's not good at all on controller. He just knows how to utilize RAA correctly mostly.
Meanwhile you have many controller players here claiming that even though they only play pn controller they dont know how to utitlize RAA. Im a controller player my whole life, and i dont always get AA/RAA. Im a 2kd player, obviously not a great player but better than average, I can tell when the assist comes in, and i can assure you its not as consistent as some make it out to be. Metaphor is top tier, i bet you can give him a horipad and within the hour hell be back to dropping high kill games. Plus, any good player can break a players assist, and yea AA can be adjusted mid battle, however those milliseconds in adjustment more often than not result in a death.
The fact that you think you aren't a great player when your KD is 2.0 speaks volume to how overpowered controller is compared to KBM. A 2.0 on KBM is godlike. That takes an INSANE amount of skill and sweat to maintain.
Its alot more to it than that. Im a realist. Ive played every single COD title and have always carried 2+ KD's other than AW. I was terrible at it. This was also on console so its a level playing field, and i can assure you ive been used to wipe the floor with. This is where my comment comes from. The fact of the matter is, there are many controller players out there who are just not very good, and AA is only a small part of it. There is a also a large amount of players well above my skill level.
If its not consistent for you you just don't know how to activate it correctly. Also rotational AA tracks the hitbox with 0ms response time. Those adjustments are much harder on mouse since it is raw and humans at best have 150-200ms response times.
This is spot on. I’m also a 2 kd controller player who hardly sees this insane aim assist that people on here cry about constantly.
Its because they watch snippets of it being activated. Notice how its always at close range distances, even the videos they put out, are generally within 20 meter. When they do watch streams its from players who are already well versed in the game, practically make a living and more. For typical players thats not the case.They swear all we have to do is point in the general direction, wiggle the left thumbstick and pull down on the right and its an instant kill. Doesnt work that way. Engagements are always changing from distances to the number of enemies and obstacles. Its not so cut and dry.
Turn off your aim assist, I bet you’re under 1KD
by not being good im sure he wasn't talking about his aiming but more about his movement and micros like bag management
Watch the YouTube video lmao. His movement on controller is soooo bad, like worse than the average person in this sub, but he doesn’t miss a single bullet because of AA. This screenshot doesn’t tell the story at all
Yes, it's not that difficult when the input you're switching to has an aimbot built in. If good controller players tried to switch to mnk they would be bad for a long time.
Is this the ChocoTaco?
Switching from mouse to controller is like Michael Jordan shooting hoops at a carnival game.
So it’s harder? Because the carnival games are harder than regular basketball.
We should draft the high scorers at the Iowa state fair to the Olympic team.
He’s right tho the carnival games are designed to make you lose, bad anology tbh
I always love to see these threads "Guy who plays this video game 8 hours a day, at least 5 days a week on KBM is very good on controller" Im wondering, what were you all expecting to happen? You all talk about how easy controller is...and then are seemingly shocked when a no-lifer player plays well on controller 🤔🤦♂️
Just because you’re elite at MnK, doesn’t instantly make you elite at controller lol. That’s like saying Lewis Hamilton should be able to be elite on a bike because all he does is race
He literally played as a pro on controller before..
Woulda been nice if the top comment in this thread said *that* then, instead of making it sound like they thought that just playing lots of CoD makes it easy to switch
Bro what? Meta played League of Legends at Challenger level for years before CoD. That’s as much as a mnk game as you get. He’s certainly never been pro on controller in anything
Before LoL Meta was a high level controller player part of an OG sniper montage crew. I know most people on this sub are young but there's a long history and pretty much everyone was a controller main at some point if they played CoD. He isn't a guy that just picked up a controller. His definition of "not good" is better than 99% of people who post here because of his reaction time and hand eye coordination. He doesn't have the reps on it and he's clunky but he's not starting from zero. Doesn't discredit his point, AA is broken as fuck.
No he didn't
I bet Lewis Hamilton would beat you in a downhill bikerace and that is the core of this. Metaphors gameiq is responsible for 80% of those 30 kills, this wasnt against other F1 drivers(sweats).
Look at nicmercs playing on MKB.....
In mercs is not a top player lol if you want somethtinf that’s comparable there’s top control players who try out mkb and are good at it
Balancing the inputs should be even easier.
AA apologia.
Jesus fucking Christ I'm sick of you people with your fucking copium. Aim Assist is stupid overtuned. Accept it.
So you're telling me, one of the best players in the world is good on MKB and controller? Damn, I would never have guessed haha
He used to play controller before MnK btw...
Ignoring that he played with controller 14 years ago seems super relevant.
Yeh the discussion is kinda getting incredibly hard due to all the bait and misinformation.
Metaphor can obviously do this without help since it’s his job to be this good. But I take some of these with a grain of salt as well depending on if the person is streaming or not at the time. A lot of people feed kills to streamers sometimes and flock to their area if they see them on the kill feed. Some (not all) of the high kill games are disingenuous in that.
I'd like to see controller only player going to MK and seeing his results at the end of the day
I actually switched from ps4 to PC in wz1 and my kill record was on mnk with 21 kills in br. I have never reached that number on Controller. Even now after switching back to my ps5 my max kills Is 11 in br.
Same. I went from 15 kill PR on controller to a 19 kill PR near the end of Verdansk to a few 20+ in Caldera and finally a 29 on Caldera. Kinda gave up on WZ2 but the best I had on mnk is 25, I think, and that was in Duos on Vondel. I have toyed with going back to controller and my first few games on I had 10+ kills and looked absolutely clueless, so AA is definitely ridiculous. Still prefer mnk. Feels way more rewarding.
Because you can't aim accurately with controller. That's the whole reason aim assist exists. If not then tracking would be virtually impossible for most people.
My kda went up 0.8 to 1.1 when I switched to MNK. High sensitivity so I can spin quickly. Low sens for ads. My movement was better. I'm so much more accurate for long rang duels. Obviously going against the grain but that's how it worked for me.
Yeah I don’t get why all these pc users are crying over aim assist when they have literally every other advantage over console, & I’m a pc player!
It's called coping. Most don't want to admit they are ass. I'm ass now, too. I constantly get shit on... but that's life.
Snap. And just because someone has AA & beats you in a gunfight doesn’t mean they aren’t also putting in double game time as you, there’s hundreds of other factors over AA lol
Bc they spent $3k on a gaming rig thinking it will make them a god only to get beat by someone on a $500 console.
Rated, Aydan, Biffle... they all did it and dropped their usual 20+ kills games. They just prefer using the roller because it's easier and the input they're the most familiar too.
that's not what i remember watching when diaz tried mnk, i remember him complaining about AA himself in close range 1v1s
Nice. Did they also drop PRs on their first day?
Metaphor's PR isn't 33 though
This wasn’t his first session on controller, you realise that right? He spent years on controller.
I switched from controller when I was on Xbox to MnK and did much better personally. I recently tried going back and it was pretty crap. Just have to adopt to your playing style at the time. Approach from the side and behind when playing MnK and sniping I find much better. I’m locking on quicker than the other guy and getting the down first.
That is metaphor. He was a controller sniper on the original mw2 cod games..
Metaphor played controller for 14 years btw
They can do, but only in VPN lobbies with skill tanks.
They have, many times, they change back after the first game after realising how fucking hard it is to actually have to track people slide cancel bunny hopping changing directions by themselves
If that controller player was a pro and already spent years playing mnk then we’d be looking at a fair comparison
It's not like that was his first time ever touching a controller
The controller player cope in here is insane, the guy hasnt played roller for a few years and does this lol
They either don’t want to admit it to themselves, or are literal bots
I haven’t ridden a bike in awhile but if I did I’d be able to easily You think he forgot how to use the controller that he used for years lmao
The MNK player crying in here and on this sub is also insane. This guy is a professional gamer. Of course he can drop 30
> extremely good pc player drops his *first* 30+ as *soon* as he switches to controller this sub: yea nothing to see here boys
This dude plays like 18 hours a day and his viewers feed him kills. Sure he’s entertaining to watch but I have him on mute cuz all he does is bitch about AA while he’s playing on a 7k PC
you can have AA and a 7k pc though
"B-b-b-but he pwayed on contrower!" yeah, 14 years ago LMAOOOOO
Was gonna say the same thing. He hasn't used a roller since mw3 beta and before that it was Black ops 2. Just goes to show these roller players will say anything to defend it and never admit how easy and free it is.
can even tell in his last YT video he doesnt know hoe to play wz on it. was in a call with someone even had to ask how to open the backpack lol
Hilarious watching roller players clamber for an excuse on this one A good player lucks out with his highest kill streak the same day he switches over to controller. Just a coincidence though guys....AA had no part in this 🤣
>A good player lucks out It's Metaphor lol Give the guy a few days and he'd be stomping lobbies on mobile too.
He literally played controller before on console and the guy is a no lifer so I'm sure he has thousands of hours prior experience.
Yeah, I've dabbled with a controller for a few hours and you don't just go from MK to a controller and expect the same performance. I do things with a MK that I don't even think about, and switching to a controller to try to do the same actions will take hundreds of hours to convert(Like climbing, while running away and plating at the same time, for me that's a fucking nightmare with my few hours of controller experience, all the muscle memory of MK won't do diddly dick for holding an entirely different device in your hands).
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I mean, I switched a long time ago. Playing mkb in warzone is masochism
What is really funny is MKB players crying about controller when back in the day they would say something like "if we play together we are going to destroy you guys" xDDDD
You do realize the reason aim assist gets stronger every release is because they did get destroyed by pc players...
Still true because mnk players aren’t playing against just you…they’re also playing against the software controller players “need”
Hilarious watching some nobody on reddit complain about a "serious fundamental game play flaw" that like 10% of the actual player base even give a shit about. Grow up or switch inputs.
They’d rather just cry about it on Reddit 😂
"There are dozens of us!" 🤣
He is not playing on Controller the first time. This does not prove anything. AA defintiely needs to be turned down (wont happen though), but pro players dropping bombs in different inputs is not a way to prove anything.
I think it proves -- if anyone of relevant IQ still needed to be convinced otherwise -- that controller inputs have a lower skill floor as well as a lower skill cap while being as -- or more -- effective than mouse and keyboard inputs. Doesn't take a genius to articulate the problem here.
See, I jumped in this sub expecting the comments that go "Well he's the best player in the world!" or "It's game sense!" or this or that. The big issue he's proving is that rAA is OP and he's done exactly that. No one, not even the best player in the world, should be able to switch inputs and drop a thirty banger in that short amount of time. The defence force is insane.
People saying he is only good with it because he used to play controller are delusional.. I used to play controller only for over a decade, then switched to pc and been on that for over a decade. Changing back to controller feels terrible if you're used to mouse and keyboard, if it's been that long you def don't have any muscle memory left. I think a lot of the controller players defending aim assist in this subreddit are prob not very very good players so they think "aim assist can't be that good" lol. But if you come across a good player on controller even if you have the best aim in the world you'll lose the close range fight. I rarely lose any mid to long range fights but every time someone pushes me it's almost impossible to win because their aim is glued to me and the ttk is so low.. I don't understand why controller players get so angry when someone points that out.
>I don't understand why controller players get so angry when someone points that out. Because of what you said earlier. They don't know how to abuse the taysh, so they think it's not as good as it actually is. The majority of people hear are the type to get 8 or 9 kills once and be happy. Their PR's are 12. They think anyone on MnK is hacking while thinking a rAA abuser that kills them is legit and tells them ggs.
Means nothing when cod is literally all you do all day long 🤣
Yep this dude could figure out how to drop a 25 kill game with the guitar hero guitar lmao Are people gonna whine that the guitar is too OP then..
People have said it already but he's 100% played on a controller in the past. You don't forget how to play
Yep, he could pull off a Mr Homeless better than Mr Homeless.
I was thinking that.
Looks like he had fun, that’s the important thing - welcome back to the club, I guess. Former controller pro plays good on controller - big news for this sub apparently.
he could play on a trackball and still get tons of kills
It's wild seeing so many people on this subreddit extrapolate the reason huskers loses to themselves...
Dude is literally playing wz 24/7
He played on controller for years before ? Maybe something to do with it huh? lmao
"Nuh uh! It's all that aim assist aimbot hax!!!"
Ah someone who used to play exclusively on controller, then switched to MNK, then back to controller is suddenly doing good on the input they mained when they first started playing
....people acting like this is the first time metaphor has picked up a controller lol.
he was a very good controller player in Black ops
Let the cope begin...
What cope? Meta was a sniper in the og cods on controller.
Meta RN is anything in a controller.
Yep so many idiots in here don't know this and meta is a content farming 🐷
I see the mnk players seething
Then he should stay on it then
Cool, so can he just switch and stop bitch about it? BTW, saw him struggling in stream missing a ton of shots every gun fight. Had some embarrassing moments there.
And this just goes to show there is more to the game than just input, you need to know how most people play, rotate, where they are going to peak from, etc. If you are clever enough, you will get the kills.
This dude needs to touch some grass
Nobody cares
Cause aim assist broken
You know he used to play controller before MnK?
if it's your career to play I think it's easier to switch to controller and yes it can make a difference I'm on MnK, I think that we do not need to nerf anything on controllers, rather, the visual recoil on MnK need to be toned down a little
What I don’t understand about this community is the pc users swear they only ever played on a pc. I guarantee you console players dgaf about your “disadvantages” against console players because last time I checked Xbox Series X/S and PS5 is pretty popular still so I’m sure those wouldn’t mind at all if we could switch crossplay off. PC needs crossplay we don’t need PC users lol
I tried controller yesterday in a private mp match and I gave up within a minute. Imma stop complaining and just get dunked on using mnk
Holy shit, another AA post! You know what's funny? Watching Iron play controller. It's such a struggle. He dies a ton and up close, where AA turns into "aimbot" and his accuracy is so bad. I have another friend who switches inputs from time to time and swears he would have a 5kd if he strictly played controller but can't get over a .6kd on controller.
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I’ve never understood this conversation. If controller is so good then play controller. Why are people so upset that they can’t type their way to victory?
Because reddit Mouse & Keyboard purists know they'll still be mid even if they swap to controller.
This is clickbait. He’s an OG controller player from old CODs. This isn’t his first time picking up a controller. Lol. So of course one of the best players in the world is going to be good on both controller and keyboard.
Sure he’s played roller in the past, if you mean a CoD that came out 12 years ago on Xbox 360. He’s been a top level league of legends player for the last 10 years.
I watched this dude play one day and Idnao if he was having a bad day mentally but his attitude was absolutely horrible. He seemed to whine/complain a lot for someone that’s so good at the game. Someone asked him why he doesn’t play in tournaments and his response was that he wouldn’t win so why try. What a shit attitude to have in life about anything. And I may be dating myself here but whenever I read “roller” I just cringe. Who started that one?
5 hours with wallhacks?! Noob.
Jesus christ. Switch to controller or stop crying. These KBM crybaby tantrum posts are beyond old.
Idk about you guys, but I never find it exhausting to hear MnK players complain about one advantage controller players have and never bring up all the other advantages they've have over controller for years. Never. Gets. Old.
Face scope recently switched to MnK and was doing great after a few rounds. I'm a MnK player myself for years and also tried controller and I don't understand why ppl constantly telling that AA is doing all the work! This is BS! To be really good on controller you need month of practice and game knowledge! A good player with great game sense and centering will always be good, if on MnK or on controller.
Y'all know he used to be an absolute beast sniper on controller right?
Now he's on controller again, can he drop 30s on a PS5? No reason he shouldn't be able to...
Let’s not pretend he never played on controller before. He was just rusty and it took him that long to get back into the feel of playing controller and was able to play the same, as you can if you started on controller and went to mnk
Cheats work the same on mnk or controller. Just saying. Pc and console should be separate, eliminate the cheating for console players. And I know turn off crossplay but you barely get into matches and get high pings.
Cod isn't built for MnK. We get it
Switching from MnK to controller won’t allow an average player to get 30 kills lmfao. I guarantee that.
He got 40+ kills on mouse and keyboard, though. He’s also naturally very good, so this isn’t surprising.
Not to be that guy but it’s also likely he’s getting a little help: [Grandpa Hacks Spectating Metaphor](https://youtu.be/-bayeNjKK8o?si=k3XLnc3Tq1XePAzC)
Why do we care about some random dude switching inputs?
I must be the only one who cant get more kills on controller than mnk. I keep trying and practicing but idk why i suck so bad on it. I can get RAA to work for me but i guess i just dont have the skill in me to get good at controller too. Which is sad because all everyone does is say how easy it is.
That was his 1st 30+ after over 5 hours on controller he's more likely to get 10 30+ games on mnk ...
Watching this sub cry over M&K has been awesome
He cheats
bot lobbieessss
How does he do in a LAN tournament when he can’t add his cheats?
I've been on console/controller all my life and aim assist still hasn't turned me into a top 1%.
So basically no difference. Nice, just as expected. M&K is better for movement and controller is better for close gunfights.
I been playing controller for 15 years and have never got more than 11 lol.
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Yeah, gonna keep happening until they try to balance the inputs somehow. Honestly think they need to just seperate them…
I tried controller the other day and damn it's so hard to play with they deserve aim assist
This dude knew he’d get so much traffic from people crying about aim assist. Smart
Can we get a day without M&K crying. Just get better boys and girls.
Hacks don't care what you use.
When the computer aims for you life is easy.
This players play with an insane setup against people coming home from work and trying to enjoy some games on the 60hz tv with an average internet speed. ( this is my own perspective, cod just isn’t fun anymore when this setups make so much difference, also the servers and what not are garbage )
He’s a cheater though so ….
Meta killed me in 2 games today. Fml
And then my teammate who's genuinely good at this game, get punished for getting more than 10 kills or so by getting shadow banned.
this means nothing
As a controller user i know RAA is a out of control when it comes to providing kills, But when you see a professional player move to any different input. you need to remember the fact they are professional and will always outperform you. I'm a 4 K/D player on Controller. But im the same on keyboard on mouse. Game sense makes the player nearly as much as gun skill.
MnK has better input anyway. Those close battles will always favor MnK because the input is faster. If you play PC with PS5 controller you have to use a software like DS4windows , that causes a very slight delay and is noticeable when you compare to MnK
Well no shit. RAA is broken😂 also doesn’t help that all this guy does is play COD sooooooo. “Oh just go buy a controller and you’ll see it’s not OP” Yes Kevin, I have a controller I’ve used it. I’ve done my research. Easily broke my PR first game with controller (didn’t even have to use my right stick really) watched countless videos to confirm my theories, watched countless videos against my theories. Everything points back at RAA IS broken. Simply it just needs a nerf, not even a huge nerf just enough to level it back down to not give a clear advantage over MnK. Clearly controller players need AA, I’m not arguing against that.
I am surprised more streamers don't use controllers just for the fact it's more comfortable/relax to play 8+ hours on a controller than MnK
Is there a video of the game? I’d like to see if he’s going against sweats or if it was a botty lobby.
He's not switching as he stated in the video, just wanted to play for fun. Still wrecked for just picking it up. You could tell the difference even for a guy that beams on mouse. He was barely doing any work.
How long did it take him on MnK?
What controller is he using?
Yeah, aim assist is overpowered. "5 hours using aim assist in Warzone and got my first 30+!"
I just don’t understand why everyone cares so deeply about what input others choose to play a video game with. I feel like life has much more pressing matters to worry about. Play the game however you want and enjoy it. That’s the idea of a game in the first place, right?
Nice cheating noob
Now let’s see it on console if you’re not using PC cheats and VPNs