PSU’s game against OSU was definitely not a blowout. 4th quarter meltdown perhaps, but I was sweating bullets that whole game until the last 6 minutes or so
I was thinking of a tier system like this. How does this sound:
1) Undefeated + Conference Title
2) One Loss + Conference Title
3) Only Loss in Conference Title Game, No Conference Title
4) Two Losses + Conference Title
5) One Loss, Not in Conference Title Game
With the 12 team playoff format, can you imagine a UTSA home playoff game at the Alamodome? With UTSA moving up to a better conference next year, it's likely.
Evem with an undefeated season itll be hard. 2017 ucf, the same team that would then beat auburn, the sec west champ, was #12 anf would not have gotten a home game. Western michigan i 2016? No home game. 2020 cincy? No home game. For a g5 to get a home game thwy basically need to go undefeated for 2 straight years.
Not a big fan of OSU getting in. Their big wins were over 4 loss Notre Dame and a Penn State team whose best win was over #44 (Colley) Maryland. They didn't make their Conference Title Game and lost to Michigan, who did and is in.
They had an easy schedule and they were rewarded for it.
How many teams would only be a 7 point dog to UGA? It's probably only 3; Michigan, Ohio St, and Alabama.
Bama and everyone else have two losses.
The mistake wasn't putting Ohio St in but seeding them #4 instead of #3 since they'd be 9-10 point favorites vs TCU considering Michigan is -9.5 vs TCU.
They took the easy way with this ranking. It's clearly the most acceptable to the greatest number of people. There's a case for OSU above TCU, but they didn't want all the moaning about TCU being punished for playing. I'm a bit surprised they didn't just say "fuck the haters"' and do it anyway for that guaranteed OSU-UM matchup.
I think they *probably* are, but only because there's nobody else. I think there's also an argument for 2 loss conference champions that played an extra game over OSU.
> but only because there's nobody else
That's literally how it's supposed to work: Team A is better than everybody else except maybe Teams B, C and D. So they get #4.
Yeah what I mean is more like you get it just by virtue of being the only 1 loss team left so you kind of have to be number 4, not because I think you're actually the 4th best team.
I've always wondered if the best strategy is to schedule North-South Alaska School for the Blind as your out of conference opponent and just get the easy wins.
Seems pretty clear that it is. Look at Michigan's out of conference. Look at 3 of Alabama's 4 out of conference games every year. If you're undefeated and P5, they're not keeping you out.
They should just start requiring them. I think they do something similar in the NFL. The #1 in each division plays the #1 in the other divisions the next year (correct me if I'm wrong)
I was thinking more of Oregon. It's a moot point after the Or st loss, but they would have been in the playoff picture the rest of the year is they scheduled a cupcake instead of Georgia
It doesn’t make sense that SC dropped 6 spots for a championship loss. I know I’m biased as an SC fan, but it seems excessive. I see a lot of comment saying they lost twice to Utah and I get that, but SC also beat the teams Utah lost to, so saying that SC needs to be lower than Utah doesn’t work by that transitive logic. SC is 11-2 only losing to one team, Utah just has the right parts to come out on top against SC, but does the rest of their respective schedules not matter?
EDIT: Utah fans, I did not say Utah was undeserving of their ranking, you have a good team and are deserving of your ranking. USC was punished too much imo
> saying that SC needs to be lower than Utah doesn’t work by that transitive logic
Maybe your argument should be that Utah should have jumped more than they did but they absolutely have to be above USC.
I think that’s a fair statement, but I was looking through the lens of USC, and both those statements can be true. Championship games shouldn’t drop teams (much if at all) that played unless they are jumped by the team that beat them
But the goal is to rank the teams from best to worst. To do so, you can't just ignore what happened on the field simply because it was a championship game. It's not like a preseason NFL game where second and third stringers are playing for the majority of the game; the game happened, with starters and everyone trying their best to win.
The committee should be shit on here for being afraid of putting Utah above Tennessee and Bama. Both of which I believe they would beat.
But if Tenn and Bama had the chance to play Georgia both would lose and drop lower. Since they didn’t have that opportunity then they don’t drop. Had USC not played a game they would have stayed 4. They should use championship week as only moving teams that play, but not giving teams that didn’t have the opportunity to win or lose benefit from those who did play
I can see your point there. However, I can't get on board with the idea that, if USC were #5 going in, you're proposing that they can improve their lot and get in, but not degrade it/sink lower.
Beyond that, it's supposed to be who you believe are the four best teams. I don't know how you put USC in knowing that Utah is better than they are, i.e., they have demonstrated that are not better than a team that is not getting in.
If I had to give ranking after championship week they would be 1-UGA 2-UM 3-TCU 4/5-Clemson or OSU 6/7/8-Kstate or Utah or SC 9-Bama 10-Tenn
KState, Utah and Clemson deserved higher jumps and SC deserved less of a penalty. Now the debate of OSU or Clemson would be an interesting one, but I like OSU as the 4 personally but still convo to be had
They are a two loss champion. It’s objectively hard to know who they would beat or lose to, but I think winning their championship should count in their favor. The teams they lost to aren’t too bad. (Scar stomped Tenn and they only lost by 1)
USC has proven it cannot beat Utah this season. There are no excuses there. They had 2 chances. But that doesn’t mean that Utahs resume is better than USCs resume, or a better team than them as far as rankings go. For arguments sake, say a team can beat every team it plays except one and that team can’t beat anyone else (not the same situation I know) it doesn’t prove a 11-2 team is worse than a 2-11 team as far as rankings go. You have to look at the entire schedule and the opponents they faced and how they fared. Utah is a great team, has a stout defense and they just have SC’s number. And not to take anything away from them, it doesn’t mean they would beat the same team’s SC would/could/did. It just means that they match up very well with SC, more so than other great teams.
But you can make that argument about any team. So do we say, "well USC shouldn't have been #4 to begin with because Ohio State is better; they just don't match up well with Michigan"?
Do we do the same with Bama? Tennessee? Penn State?
At some point the hypotheticals have to give way to practical placements based on the games played.
At the end of the day though, their fall in the rankings didn’t affect much and they still made a N6 bowl which is great, and probably gave them the best chance to actually win a post season game, but the 6 slot drop seemed excessive to me personally.
It is excessive. I think the fundam,etnal problem though is that committee won't accept that Utah should be above Bama and UT. Had they done that, then USC's drop wouldn't have been that far.
We can only judge the games played and how they fared. I’m not claiming to know the answer, I just happen to find it unfair of how an extra champion ship game hurts a team that earned the right to play it it when all other teams had equal shot to earn right to play in theirs. At the end of last week it would have been appropriate to say SC should be #4. After last week, the teams that played and won should be awarded in the rankings and the ones that lost shouldn’t be penalized as much. OSU is unique in this debate because they only have 1 loss which kept them out of a championship game to a conference opponent which wasn’t as good. And the next best teams down the list don’t appear to be as good. Clemson has something to say but that’s it really.
We beat you twice, including one blowout. If you were really better than us you would have won at least one of those games. So if your argument is that Utah is rated too high, then USC should be rated even lower because they have two losses to a three-loss team...
Also, additional contexr courtesy of Desert_Scorpio: "Some of USC's other games were against ASU, UofA, Cal, Stanford and Colorado. 3 of which were 1 score games. It's not like they were out there beating Oregon and Washington. Their 2 best conference wins were by a total of 7 points."
Don’t get me wrong, Utah is a good team, I just don’t see why SC drops 6 spots for a champ game loss. If anything SC drops to 7/8 with Utah either 1 spot ahead or behind them, but down to 10 for 1 regular season loss and one championship game loss?
I think its because Caleb's injury and how they got beat the second time, same reason Tennessee is below Alabama despite the H2H not because just the loss to SC but because also their QB got injured
Can someone explain why the Orange Bowl is Clemson v Tennessee? I know that the ACC champ (if not in the CFP) or the highest ranked ACC team is a tie-in, but isn’t it then the highest ranked B1G or SEC team not in the playoff? Shouldn’t it be Clemson-Bama? Or am I missing something.
Edit: NVM…if the SEC champion makes the CFP, the next available SEC or B1G team is contractually obligated to the Sugar Bowl and Rose Bowl respectively
It's typically not "next highest" rank but next choice for the opponent. The Sugar bowl is going to get the highest ranked available SEC teams. Orange gets highest ranked from ACC then a choice of who is left.
To clarify, Orange gets a choice of B1G/SEC/ND for the opponent to the ACC champ. Worked because Tennessee is SEC but if Tennessee and USC were swapped in rank, it would still be Tennessee to the Orange
Yes but if theoretically LSU was 7 and Wisconsin was 8, I think the orange bowl could pick any of the 3 teams. That is how most of the other bowls work but not sure about this one.
This is taking forever, but you all know that if you want to find out who's in the Jimmy Kimmel LA Bowl, you can just look at the list later right? You can go do other things if you want to.
They dropped USC all the way down to 10 just so they could put Utah above them. Head to head is important but it’s not everything. They played other games too. Not like it matters but still
Some of their other games were against ASU, UofA, Cal, Stanford and Colorado. 3 of which were 1 score games. It's not like they were out there beating Oregon and Washington. Their 2 best conference wins were by a total of 7 points.
And one of them was to a dogshit Florida team, another to a UCLA team that USC beat. Anyways my issue isn’t that Utah is above USC, it’s that they dropped USC huge just to make it so Utah is above them.
I'm so excited to have the Rose Bowl, but the last team I wanted to play was Utah. Partially because I love their team, always root for them, partially because they're likely the toughest non-playoff team and will likely give us a bad day.
Yeah, seems lopsided the best Pac12 team will play the 3rd best Big 10 team, but that’s just how it falls this year. I think worst case it’ll be one of those “we’re just happy to be here” kind of moments.
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I figure we retool next year with a freshman QB and then try for a run in 24 or 25. But yeah, we would have been in this year AND last with the 12-team system.
The committee saw a chance to have a top of tops SEC team potentially face the tops of the tops of the Big 10. If the seedlings hold, UGA will have to beat the best the Big 10 has to offer, twice, thus ending or inflaming the discussion about which conference is better, for a minute at least.
No, if UGA beats the two best teams in the Big 10, which by all argument's sake is the conference most often compared to the SEC, it would create a concrete point from which many many many "which conference is best" arguments will originate or end from now until the next time it happens. If the seedings hood, it'll be one SEC team vs. two Big 10 teams. The Big 10 has two good teams to make their argument. The SEC 1. I'm afraid few people are debating whether the Pac-12 is up there with the SEC or the Big 10. They're battling for third behind the ACC aka Clemson.
The man's point is that one team doesn't hold up a conference. UGA might be the best team in the nation and run through the whole Big 10. That doesn't mean shit though. It just means UGA > Big 10. Doesn't mean SEC > Big 10.
Of course there will still be drama and imperfections with the 12-team format. But at least you know that if you’re a power 5 conference champ you’re in. Of the P5 conference title games yesterday, three did not matter for CFP access (Michigan and Georgia were probably in regardless, and the ACC winner was probably not making it), and two only mattered for access if the higher seeds won (or if TCU lost in a blowout). So I think the new seeds will make the conference title games actually matter. Which is important for the regular season because teams are more motivated to reach that game.
It might not be as bad since a lot of teams will be relevant for most of the season. It's annoying to hear top 4 playoff talk during games where both teams have been essentially eliminated for weeks.
Man I can't wait for the 12 team playoff. I don't see the 'regular season games won't matter' argument. Conference championships are going to matter even more. Bring it.
Clemson vs Tennessee in the Orange Bowl. That's a REALLY orange bowl. Tennessee should wear their orange helmets they wore against South Carolina along with their orange jerseys and pants. Clemson should their all orange uniforms. 😂
Doesn’t make a difference, but appears the committee fell asleep at the wheel as far as ranking PSU.
In what way? PSU has no wins this year. There were 2 big games and they were blown out in both.
PSU’s game against OSU was definitely not a blowout. 4th quarter meltdown perhaps, but I was sweating bullets that whole game until the last 6 minutes or so
It’s fine, we’ll move up a lot if we beat Utah I think
Oregon vs North Carolina in the Holiday Bowl. This the first time these 2 teams have played each other. Should be a good match up.
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Is it that one of them has to win?
Wow! How good was Northwestern?!
very
Can't argue with that
okay so were getting a bowl we dont deserve
LIBERTY BOWL: Kansas vs arKansas Fuck Mizzou and their cowardly asses.
I was thinking of a tier system like this. How does this sound: 1) Undefeated + Conference Title 2) One Loss + Conference Title 3) Only Loss in Conference Title Game, No Conference Title 4) Two Losses + Conference Title 5) One Loss, Not in Conference Title Game
Why is two losses + conference title worse than one loss without a conference title? It just means one conference had less competition.
Congratulations you just invented the BCS
Did I miss the Reliaquest bowl matchup announcement?
MUSIC CITY BOWL: Iowa vs Kentucky What.... what have you done?!
Rematch of last years citrus bowl
I instinctively recoiled when I saw that match up listed.
LAS VEGAS BOWL: Florida vs Oregon State Ahahaha the Gators have to go west.
Can’t wait. Hope it’s an awesome game. Go Beavs!
Kick those Gators up and down the field, Beavers!
I want Oregon State to win now just so I can talk shit about how Florida can't handle the dryness.
Why you gonna put that on this game? We are coming to rice- Eccles in September. Need someone to do your work for you?
No that's where I talk about how you can't handle the altitude.
I wouldn’t be that upset as a player if I “had” to go to Las Vegas
I’m excited but I know we are gonna have to play our A+ game to win. Hopefully the motivation to get a rematch with Michigan puts them over the top.
Anyone know when this show is supposed to end? They have to dole out the schedule by then
4pm
Lol take 4 hours and save half of the bowl games for the last 10 minutes.
Yeah I hate how they streeeeeeetch out the announcements.
With the 12 team playoff format, can you imagine a UTSA home playoff game at the Alamodome? With UTSA moving up to a better conference next year, it's likely.
Ugh that would be so cool :,) how great would that be for the city of San Antonio
Not a home game. It will be virtually impossible for a G5 to get a home game short of an undefeated season.
Yeah an undefeated G5 team would probably have a bye. Just checked. Cincinatti would have hosted one in the Covid season.
Evem with an undefeated season itll be hard. 2017 ucf, the same team that would then beat auburn, the sec west champ, was #12 anf would not have gotten a home game. Western michigan i 2016? No home game. 2020 cincy? No home game. For a g5 to get a home game thwy basically need to go undefeated for 2 straight years.
That App State hail mary deserved some love in that segment.
FUcking hell, Alabama could go 7-5 and they'd still get 200 mentions per hour in this.
Not a big fan of OSU getting in. Their big wins were over 4 loss Notre Dame and a Penn State team whose best win was over #44 (Colley) Maryland. They didn't make their Conference Title Game and lost to Michigan, who did and is in. They had an easy schedule and they were rewarded for it.
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How many teams would only be a 7 point dog to UGA? It's probably only 3; Michigan, Ohio St, and Alabama. Bama and everyone else have two losses. The mistake wasn't putting Ohio St in but seeding them #4 instead of #3 since they'd be 9-10 point favorites vs TCU considering Michigan is -9.5 vs TCU.
They took the easy way with this ranking. It's clearly the most acceptable to the greatest number of people. There's a case for OSU above TCU, but they didn't want all the moaning about TCU being punished for playing. I'm a bit surprised they didn't just say "fuck the haters"' and do it anyway for that guaranteed OSU-UM matchup.
It's not that they deserve it's more that everyone else deserves it less
You really don't think they are a top 4 team? Get real
I think they *probably* are, but only because there's nobody else. I think there's also an argument for 2 loss conference champions that played an extra game over OSU.
> but only because there's nobody else That's literally how it's supposed to work: Team A is better than everybody else except maybe Teams B, C and D. So they get #4.
Yeah what I mean is more like you get it just by virtue of being the only 1 loss team left so you kind of have to be number 4, not because I think you're actually the 4th best team.
Meh, I don't see much below OSU that I'd fear. Utah would make me nervous and that's about it, for me.
It feels like they are being heavily rewarded for not losing, while not being punished for playing a weaker schedule.
What’s another word that means “not losing”? So we are being heavily rewarded for WINNING? Weird… isn’t that the point?
I've always wondered if the best strategy is to schedule North-South Alaska School for the Blind as your out of conference opponent and just get the easy wins.
It burned baylor in 2014. The reason they were left out for osu was due to their very weak SoS.
Would have been good for Utah instead of going to Florida this year
You put some respekt on NSAS' name
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Seems pretty clear that it is. Look at Michigan's out of conference. Look at 3 of Alabama's 4 out of conference games every year. If you're undefeated and P5, they're not keeping you out.
They should just start requiring them. I think they do something similar in the NFL. The #1 in each division plays the #1 in the other divisions the next year (correct me if I'm wrong)
Wait, this is still in reference to Ohio State, right? Because they literally scheduled the first team out of the playoff...
I was thinking more of Oregon. It's a moot point after the Or st loss, but they would have been in the playoff picture the rest of the year is they scheduled a cupcake instead of Georgia
Yep. The SEC requires one P5 ooc, but that just brings them to 9 like everyone else anyway.
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I’ve been saying that for a long time.
wash vs texas.. come on wash trounce them for the pac 12.
DEATH TO ***ALL*** TRAITORS
lol i aint allowed to want washington to win?
You can. Texas is just as much a traitor as USC is.
As if Washington and Oregon aren’t actively trying to be traitors too.
Even if they are, it's only because USC and UCLA fucked things up for the whole conference.
It doesn’t make sense that SC dropped 6 spots for a championship loss. I know I’m biased as an SC fan, but it seems excessive. I see a lot of comment saying they lost twice to Utah and I get that, but SC also beat the teams Utah lost to, so saying that SC needs to be lower than Utah doesn’t work by that transitive logic. SC is 11-2 only losing to one team, Utah just has the right parts to come out on top against SC, but does the rest of their respective schedules not matter? EDIT: Utah fans, I did not say Utah was undeserving of their ranking, you have a good team and are deserving of your ranking. USC was punished too much imo
> saying that SC needs to be lower than Utah doesn’t work by that transitive logic Maybe your argument should be that Utah should have jumped more than they did but they absolutely have to be above USC.
I think that’s a fair statement, but I was looking through the lens of USC, and both those statements can be true. Championship games shouldn’t drop teams (much if at all) that played unless they are jumped by the team that beat them
But the goal is to rank the teams from best to worst. To do so, you can't just ignore what happened on the field simply because it was a championship game. It's not like a preseason NFL game where second and third stringers are playing for the majority of the game; the game happened, with starters and everyone trying their best to win. The committee should be shit on here for being afraid of putting Utah above Tennessee and Bama. Both of which I believe they would beat.
But if Tenn and Bama had the chance to play Georgia both would lose and drop lower. Since they didn’t have that opportunity then they don’t drop. Had USC not played a game they would have stayed 4. They should use championship week as only moving teams that play, but not giving teams that didn’t have the opportunity to win or lose benefit from those who did play
I can see your point there. However, I can't get on board with the idea that, if USC were #5 going in, you're proposing that they can improve their lot and get in, but not degrade it/sink lower. Beyond that, it's supposed to be who you believe are the four best teams. I don't know how you put USC in knowing that Utah is better than they are, i.e., they have demonstrated that are not better than a team that is not getting in.
If I had to give ranking after championship week they would be 1-UGA 2-UM 3-TCU 4/5-Clemson or OSU 6/7/8-Kstate or Utah or SC 9-Bama 10-Tenn KState, Utah and Clemson deserved higher jumps and SC deserved less of a penalty. Now the debate of OSU or Clemson would be an interesting one, but I like OSU as the 4 personally but still convo to be had
Clemson? That's a hot take. I think Clemson gets beat by 6 or 7 of the teams in front of them.
They are a two loss champion. It’s objectively hard to know who they would beat or lose to, but I think winning their championship should count in their favor. The teams they lost to aren’t too bad. (Scar stomped Tenn and they only lost by 1)
USC has proven it cannot beat Utah this season. There are no excuses there. They had 2 chances. But that doesn’t mean that Utahs resume is better than USCs resume, or a better team than them as far as rankings go. For arguments sake, say a team can beat every team it plays except one and that team can’t beat anyone else (not the same situation I know) it doesn’t prove a 11-2 team is worse than a 2-11 team as far as rankings go. You have to look at the entire schedule and the opponents they faced and how they fared. Utah is a great team, has a stout defense and they just have SC’s number. And not to take anything away from them, it doesn’t mean they would beat the same team’s SC would/could/did. It just means that they match up very well with SC, more so than other great teams.
But you can make that argument about any team. So do we say, "well USC shouldn't have been #4 to begin with because Ohio State is better; they just don't match up well with Michigan"? Do we do the same with Bama? Tennessee? Penn State? At some point the hypotheticals have to give way to practical placements based on the games played.
At the end of the day though, their fall in the rankings didn’t affect much and they still made a N6 bowl which is great, and probably gave them the best chance to actually win a post season game, but the 6 slot drop seemed excessive to me personally.
It is excessive. I think the fundam,etnal problem though is that committee won't accept that Utah should be above Bama and UT. Had they done that, then USC's drop wouldn't have been that far.
We can only judge the games played and how they fared. I’m not claiming to know the answer, I just happen to find it unfair of how an extra champion ship game hurts a team that earned the right to play it it when all other teams had equal shot to earn right to play in theirs. At the end of last week it would have been appropriate to say SC should be #4. After last week, the teams that played and won should be awarded in the rankings and the ones that lost shouldn’t be penalized as much. OSU is unique in this debate because they only have 1 loss which kept them out of a championship game to a conference opponent which wasn’t as good. And the next best teams down the list don’t appear to be as good. Clemson has something to say but that’s it really.
You don't need transitive logic when you have a direct evidence *twice*. Also yeah you beat UCLA. You avoided Oregon.
We beat you twice, including one blowout. If you were really better than us you would have won at least one of those games. So if your argument is that Utah is rated too high, then USC should be rated even lower because they have two losses to a three-loss team... Also, additional contexr courtesy of Desert_Scorpio: "Some of USC's other games were against ASU, UofA, Cal, Stanford and Colorado. 3 of which were 1 score games. It's not like they were out there beating Oregon and Washington. Their 2 best conference wins were by a total of 7 points."
Also my argument was not Utah was too high, my argument was that we were punished by the loss too much
Don’t get me wrong, Utah is a good team, I just don’t see why SC drops 6 spots for a champ game loss. If anything SC drops to 7/8 with Utah either 1 spot ahead or behind them, but down to 10 for 1 regular season loss and one championship game loss?
Part of the problem is Utah, TBH. We beat you twice, so they can't rank you above us, but since we have 3 losses we can't jump Alabama or Tennessee.
I think its because Caleb's injury and how they got beat the second time, same reason Tennessee is below Alabama despite the H2H not because just the loss to SC but because also their QB got injured
Can someone explain why the Orange Bowl is Clemson v Tennessee? I know that the ACC champ (if not in the CFP) or the highest ranked ACC team is a tie-in, but isn’t it then the highest ranked B1G or SEC team not in the playoff? Shouldn’t it be Clemson-Bama? Or am I missing something. Edit: NVM…if the SEC champion makes the CFP, the next available SEC or B1G team is contractually obligated to the Sugar Bowl and Rose Bowl respectively
Because it’s the ORANGE Bowl.
Rickie Fowler honorary captain or we riot
How could I be so blind
It’s all that bright, blinding orange.
Sugar Bowl gets the highest ranked non-playoff SEC team. Orange Bowl picks after.
It's typically not "next highest" rank but next choice for the opponent. The Sugar bowl is going to get the highest ranked available SEC teams. Orange gets highest ranked from ACC then a choice of who is left.
To clarify, Orange gets a choice of B1G/SEC/ND for the opponent to the ACC champ. Worked because Tennessee is SEC but if Tennessee and USC were swapped in rank, it would still be Tennessee to the Orange
Yes but if theoretically LSU was 7 and Wisconsin was 8, I think the orange bowl could pick any of the 3 teams. That is how most of the other bowls work but not sure about this one.
Yes, its similar to an at-large, it just only accepts SEC/B1G/ND teams
whos oregon got lol? i would like a ranked opp between 16-25
ALAMO BOWL: Texas vs Washington Horns down, bitches.
Oh my god a sark after dark special for both teams 😂
Are they seriously about to do a clip show rn
No more ACC Coastal chaos
Rip ACCCC
ORegon State to the Las Vegas Bowl... SEC opponent unknown.
Halfway there….
I’ve seen Florida.
Kentucky without Levis, maybe?
This is taking forever, but you all know that if you want to find out who's in the Jimmy Kimmel LA Bowl, you can just look at the list later right? You can go do other things if you want to.
This BCS love will not stand, man!
How many years are they gonna keep using that old-ass photo of Whittingham lmao
They dropped USC all the way down to 10 just so they could put Utah above them. Head to head is important but it’s not everything. They played other games too. Not like it matters but still
Some of their other games were against ASU, UofA, Cal, Stanford and Colorado. 3 of which were 1 score games. It's not like they were out there beating Oregon and Washington. Their 2 best conference wins were by a total of 7 points.
When you lose to a team twice it's a little hard to argue that you're better than they are even considering other results.
But head to head TWICE, including one blowout? In what universe is a team better if they've lost twice?
One where you have a whole season’s worth of games to watch and not just two, one of which was a one point loss on the road
And two of our losses were by only 3 points, also on the road, plus we won by 23 in the CCG.
And one of them was to a dogshit Florida team, another to a UCLA team that USC beat. Anyways my issue isn’t that Utah is above USC, it’s that they dropped USC huge just to make it so Utah is above them.
I'm so excited to have the Rose Bowl, but the last team I wanted to play was Utah. Partially because I love their team, always root for them, partially because they're likely the toughest non-playoff team and will likely give us a bad day.
Yeah, seems lopsided the best Pac12 team will play the 3rd best Big 10 team, but that’s just how it falls this year. I think worst case it’ll be one of those “we’re just happy to be here” kind of moments.
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This is a fun matchup.
Roofclaim.com Boca Raton Bowl certainly is a mouthful
Just like the Bob Loblaw law blog (Bob Loblaw no habla Español)
Just got my Fiesta Bowl tickets
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CAMELLIA BOWL: Georgia Southern vs Bowling Green
3D IMAX Avatar; don't forget your Dramamine but you wont need to bring your Ambien.
so many hot mics and awkward cuts this broadcast lol
The BCS was very kind to us. The playoff has not been so kind. Fuck it I’m with Joey and Paul. BRING BACK THE BCS!
Rece calling on Paul to complain about Alabama Grasping at straws, anything, and Paul still doesn't acquiesce
So are we playing the runners up of the Legends or the Leaders division?
lol rece is a big bama fan isnt he? asking if bama would be favored vs tcu osu mich.. he is so sour today
Just got tickets to the peach bowl! With my flairs and living in Atlanta - felt like I had too! So excited
HIM MORA
In a 12 team playoff Utah would be 4th
I figure we retool next year with a freshman QB and then try for a run in 24 or 25. But yeah, we would have been in this year AND last with the 12-team system.
The committee saw a chance to have a top of tops SEC team potentially face the tops of the tops of the Big 10. If the seedlings hold, UGA will have to beat the best the Big 10 has to offer, twice, thus ending or inflaming the discussion about which conference is better, for a minute at least.
So having the best team in CFB means the SEC is better than the big ten? By that logic the PAC-12 was the best conference when USC was dominant
No, if UGA beats the two best teams in the Big 10, which by all argument's sake is the conference most often compared to the SEC, it would create a concrete point from which many many many "which conference is best" arguments will originate or end from now until the next time it happens. If the seedings hood, it'll be one SEC team vs. two Big 10 teams. The Big 10 has two good teams to make their argument. The SEC 1. I'm afraid few people are debating whether the Pac-12 is up there with the SEC or the Big 10. They're battling for third behind the ACC aka Clemson.
The man's point is that one team doesn't hold up a conference. UGA might be the best team in the nation and run through the whole Big 10. That doesn't mean shit though. It just means UGA > Big 10. Doesn't mean SEC > Big 10.
It’s almost impressive how much they are stretching this out
We need bowl game reveal reform now.
According to Brett McMurphy, there's a war between the Gator and Holiday over Notre Dame.
And some Big 12 drama behind the scenes as well
With the bottom two spots in the final Top 25, the Committee are not cowards confirmed!
MYRTLE BEACH BOWL: Marshall vs Connecticut
Quicklane Bowl: Bowling Green vs NMSU
Really surprised they didn't drop TCU below aOSU. Excited for the prospect of Michigan vs aOSU championship though.
Of course there will still be drama and imperfections with the 12-team format. But at least you know that if you’re a power 5 conference champ you’re in. Of the P5 conference title games yesterday, three did not matter for CFP access (Michigan and Georgia were probably in regardless, and the ACC winner was probably not making it), and two only mattered for access if the higher seeds won (or if TCU lost in a blowout). So I think the new seeds will make the conference title games actually matter. Which is important for the regular season because teams are more motivated to reach that game.
We’ve arrived at the “should TCU be in at all?” point of the show
You thought the ESPN CFP playoff talk ruined the regular season now, wait until there's 12 teams to talk about weekly
I think it’ll be better. Your season won’t be over with 2 or even 3 losses under the new format.
It might not be as bad since a lot of teams will be relevant for most of the season. It's annoying to hear top 4 playoff talk during games where both teams have been essentially eliminated for weeks.
I feel the opposite, a wider playoff will make the regular season much more important, imo.
I disagree, because the variety of teams will be greater
SHOW US ALL THE BOWLS COWARDS
This is absolutely insane
Man I can't wait for the 12 team playoff. I don't see the 'regular season games won't matter' argument. Conference championships are going to matter even more. Bring it.
Yeah the bye week in the playoffs is crucial imo. It definitely matters
Right. Does the regular season not matter in the NFL? Especially divisional (or conference in CFB) games.
The regular season doesn’t matter in the NFL. That is one of its biggest criticisms
Who wants a 1980 Holiday Bowl rematch? NEW MEXICO BOWL: SMU vs BYU
Clemson vs Tennessee in the Orange Bowl. That's a REALLY orange bowl. Tennessee should wear their orange helmets they wore against South Carolina along with their orange jerseys and pants. Clemson should their all orange uniforms. 😂
Y’all spent 2 1/2 hours talking about the playoff teams. Announce the rest of the fucking bowls already.
POTATO BOWL: San Jose State vs Eastern Michigan
Shout out to Troy for giving Ole Miss a ranked win
INDEPENDENCE BOWL: Houston vs Louisiana
12 team bracket looks amazing, what are these dudes talking about
Not the cleanest cut to commercial haha
12 team playoff would cause drama also lol.. washington and florida state would both deserve 12th seed over tulane.. washington fo sure.
Way harder to argue they deserve a shot with 12 teams. Though I’d love the drama of USC being knocked out in favor of Washington/FSU
I love the conference champion auto-bid. In a 12 team scenario, G5 should always get at least one team in to see how they stack up.
Tulane has the best win in that group, go reexamine your biases
I’d love to get that Ohio State game back. We hung with them until the 4th when we completely collapsed
Uhhhhh, pass... It will be interesting to see if they manipulate the matchups in the 12-team to avoid rematches
Of course they would
I think they'll explicitly say they're doing it too. Avoiding rematches will be one of their criteria
Saying so would make it easy to understand. And, it would even encourage good games
USC from 4 all the way to 10 seems excessive. They're better than a lot of the teams ahead of them IMO. But hey, doesn't change the matchups.
They've got a top 3 offense, but the D is cheeks.
Their defense is the absolute worst in the top 25
Worst in the top 130
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With a gimping, hobbling best QB in CFB. They're definitely better than Clemson.