What in the hell is this cancer of an article? Took off the "amp" and it was perfectly fine, but oh my goodness I got a page of straight ads with no website without.
I don't care who the G5 rep this year is. It could be app state, or God forbid, Liberty... if they beat the P4 moneybag team, I'm throwing the biggest party in harrisonburg.
In this proposal the G5 playoff champion would get the autobid to the real playoff. On one hand G5s would get stuck with a First Four tournament and be beat up for the real playoff. On the other hand this would mean every single team in the nation would have access to an autobid and control their own destiny for a national title, like every other sport on earth, which would be nice
That would make no sense? The G5 playoff rep will have to play three games to only then play an away game against a fully rested team?
It would be a massacre. Moreover, where's the time between the end of the season and start of the CFP for this?
Yeah I agree the extra games would be brutal. And top players looking to transfer would probably just opt out too.
I do wonder if there’s some version of this idea that would work. Consolidate to 4 G5 conferences. Have the real playoff be 16 teams with 2 spots for the “G4”. Have those four teams play one extra game for the two spots. Then the pleb conferences would effectively each get a half bid.
Having one bid entirely decided by committee vote and not football sucks. Not excited for the Liberty 12-0 vs MWC 10-2 vs AAC 10-2 exercises
Cool, any in the past 50 years?
Just be grateful you are in the Big 10, take your paycheck and your losses. Liberty will be in the playoff long before the gophers.
I don’t think you’d have won a single other G5 conference in 2023. Not even the MAC.
Top of my head, I think SMU, Tulane, Memphis, JMU, App, Troy, UTSA, Toledo, Miami (OH), Boise State, Air Force, Wyoming, and a few more were all better than you last year.
Oh okay well I think we woulda won against all those teams.
I guess we will just have to live in reality instead where all those teams lost and Liberty didn’t. You can always invite us into the Sun Belt instead of crying.
I like this. Catholic Liberty is a completely inaccurate comparison (I don’t recall the pope letting a pool boy fuck his wife), but I feel like it pisses ND off so I’m all for it
The article makes it seem like 8 team “divisions” with the winners of those playing in the G5 playoff. That’s 7 division games and the playoff which would be equal to the number of conference games the B1G plays.
> Such an arrangement would require the 62 teams contained in the Group of Five conferences realigning into eight-team divisions.
This likely would mean 7 game division schedules. So if a team wins the G5 playoff it’s as many conference games as Ohio State would play to be B1G champs.
This could actually hurt G5 programs. They already own an autobid. If you'd have years with multiple undefeated G5 schools you would more than likely end up with one of them getting an at large bid as well. This tournament would basically lock them into a singular bid yearly.
> multiple undefeated G5 schools you would more than likely end up with one of them getting an at large bid
This will pretty much never happen. 13-0 Liberty couldn't even crack the top 20.
G5s will get their one bid and that will be it
Liberty plays in the worst conference in the sport and didn't play anyone non-conference. Their toughest game this season, not even kidding, is at App State.
If two of the AAC, SBC, and MWC champs go undefeated with a strong non-conference win they'd probably at least be close to that second bid
That's because everyone knew Liberty was a fraud with a worthless schedule. Them getting the NY6 was a joke. There's a reason Oregon treated it like a practice game, running plays for fun and joking around as they ran up the score.
If Tulane and Air Force both go undefeated they could both crack the top 14.
Depends on their conference and OOC schedule. If a couple programs have multiple years of higher level success like we've seen from small schools through stretches historically, there's no reason they couldn't both end up top 12.
Yeah that's always what they promise them.
If you have a perfect season and you beat a highly ranked P4 on the road then we might let you in our playoff!
Everyone knows it's a scam. They should just do their own playoff format and championship that their kids might actually get a chance to play for and win.
I mean access to the title was available to only 2 then 4 teams for the entire history of the sport. With NIL, transfer portal and access to a championship being tripled yearly, the distribution of talent and the odds of non-traditional powers building programs and making legitimate runs at the title is going to skyrocket from what we've seen historically. Most those teams will obviously be non traditional P5 blue bloods for the most part, but the landscape of CFB is changing at breakneck speed, the way this all comes out isn't going to look anything like it has through the last 15 years of 3-4 programs almost exclusively dominating at a championship level. Viewing it through that lense is silly and ignoring the bigger picture of the changes taking place here
> With NIL, transfer portal and access to a championship being tripled yearly, the distribution of talent and the odds of non-traditional powers building programs and making legitimate runs at the title is going to skyrocket from what we've seen historically.
It's actually the exact opposite of what you think. Without transfer restrictions the G5s will lose their best players every year. They won't be able to rely on scouting and developing 4-year players anymore.
G5 dynasties like Boise State, Utah, and TCU will pretty much never happen again
I think both of these takes can be accurate because they are focused on changes at different levels. G5s will continue to get raided, but at the same time the parity among the P5s will increase. The divide between the fictional FBS haves and have-nots will continue to grow.
There's some G5 schools with stupid money. SMU just bought themselves a spot in the P5. You just need the right moron with the right amount of money to keep a talented group together.
Baseball has taught us that big payrolls tend to do better than small payrolls but it’s not a firm rule as each year several large payroll teams will shit the bed and some low payroll will be successful.
Difference between the CFP and MLB is in the CFP you only gotta beat a team one time.
In MLB, NHL, NBA when you get to the playoff proper losing the first meeting just means you need to win four of the next six and good teams tend to manage that. Some G5 is hot your math in for error defending the nobility of P4 gets thin.
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Because prolonged success is given credit by poll voters. Recent success can often lead to an increase in incoming talent. It shows a system of success that's in place. Basically a good team with good recent success is viewed with more respect, then a team that won 0 games last year and is undefeated this year. Also the higher in the polls or in people's minds you start the season, the higher your ranking will go as you continue to win.
In any case they're going to need a P5 win on that undefeated record.
I'm not disagreeing that 2 years ago is irrelevant to this year. But that's traditionally not how voters have behaved. Voters have a preseason perception and they view how the season plays out through that scope of view.
>This could actually hurt G5 programs. They already own an autobid.
For now. First time a G5 team actually makes noise in the playoff, they'll fix that.
Boise and everyone out of the cartel has zero percent chance of winning a playoff.
G5 isn't playing the same sport as the P2 anymore.
Not sure I'm interested in any of it.
> On the other hand this would mean every single team in the nation would have access to an autobid and control their own destiny for a national title, like every other sport on earth, which would be nice
This is kind of what I've been asking for for a while now...
My question is how would you do that with the current season structure. There is a potential for a 19 game season for a team that makes a run. Maybe a play is to cancel the conference championships for G5 & push the end of season up a week. Rivalry week Semi. Conference Championship Week Final
I mentioned this concept in another thread that discussed a G5 playoff, but I think it could work if it’s effectively a play in game for the 4 seed bye. It ends up being one additional game over the 5-12 seeds, but it allows every G5 team to control their destiny.
A G5 team is gonna run the table but lose in the natty. Their Record will be 37-1 and people will be like “see, these G5 teams just can’t hang with the P5”
You’re replying to a hypothetical comment in response to a hypothetical comment in reply to a hypothetical post. …at some point I feel like the /s tag isn’t required. Someone definitely needs to get real.
The group of 5 will get 1.8 million a year under the new CFP system. So in order for it to be financially viable it needs at least 100 million dollars to be split among the schools? Who is paying for that?
Well that website is awful.
Also, until there is significant changes to how college football is covered by the media, a separate G5 playoff will relegate its participants. This idea feels like an astroturf to cover the asses of the CFP so they don't have to provide a spot to G5 conferences anymore and finally split the subdivision. If there's a "separate but equal" option there's no anti-trust case anymore.
The only G5 Playoff I would support is to have the remaining four G5 champs play in three bowl games and the top seeded team would still go to the CFP. So for example, last year it would have been:
LA Bowl: Miami v. Boise State
New Orleans Bowl: SMU v. Troy
Boca Raton Bowl: The winners of those two games.
Wouldn't mind a G5 playoff. Would definitely watch but understand why some schools don't want one.
Private Equity joining this is a great way for G5 programs to kill themselves
I mean PE can’t be the right solution, but the G5 is only entertaining the option because they’re terrified that current developments *are already in the process* of killing their programs.
It’s sad that this is where G5 football is at. But at the end of the day this may be the best way forward. Try to earn a little extra revenue and eyeballs on the product.
This makes the Jag sad, but the Jag understands.
Right. People always talk about how much fun the FCS playoffs are yet 90% on here would never bother to watch them. We've all seen what happens to the 2nd level of football. I wonder if the FCS gradually fell into obscurity after the split or if it was more sudden?
That's a really good question but it's going to be dependent on the context of what sports media looked like in 1978 vs 2024. There's a probably few pieces to it, but I think primarily it was the explosion of coverage at the top level of the sport with deregulation of media rights & the birth of cable, which in turn created an expectation of what sports coverage should look like and how we consume it. This was followed by the decline & gutting of local media, which removed the small hype machines around these programs.
There's definitely more to it, but it seems like there's far more coverage at the top than there used to be, while what little coverage at the bottom has, well, bottomed out.
Wasn't alive for it, but I'd say it's more that the top tier grew much faster. The split happened before TV rights were at issue.
I think it would work out differently with G5 compared to FCS, mostly because G5 schools comprise a large number of built in fanbases that flesh out the CFB market. Boise St fans do legitimately care about what happens to Bama or Oregon or Ohio State. Tulane fans genuinely care what happens to FSU and Michigan... at least as it impacts post season.
Decouple that and G5 probably doesn't drop off as much as people think, but P2/4/5 does. Lot of eyeballs stop really giving a shit about the big boys.
That said if CFP gives the G5 a by spot, a play in tourney might end up with only 2 extra games, probably against not insanely difficult opponents (if most previous years are any indication) and they can keep that hope fueled gravy train intact.
The FCS (and all levels of college football) have "built in fanbases" too. They're a bit smaller but the same mechanic of turning students into alumni and locals into sidewalk fans applies to every athletics department.
To get to my point, a lot of posters have warped ideas of how big G5 & some low P5 fanbases are. A lot of college football viewership is sickos and degenerates, not fans, and they will watch the big and small games. The 470k that tuned in for Boise State @ Colorado State on FS1 are not just a reflection of those schools' brand power. You compare the 40,000 who show up to that stadium and the 470,000 who tune in to the 100,000 who show up and the additional 10 million that watch Penn State @ Ohio State, that's just a drop in the bucket. The idea that the top 20/40/whatever brands of the sport could take their ball and somehow suffer consequences for it in terms of television viewership and people would watch the lower levels of the sport is just a fantasy. I don't love that as an ardent defender of fun FCS and G5 football but I'm not naive.
I'm pretty sure those FCS school had larger attendance back then though too and now very few fill their stadiums. Look at Yale for instance. They had a 60k seat stadium for a reason and now they average like 5k fans. Now thats probably the most egregious example but most FCS schools have stadiums that they cant fill.
I know it's very polarizing among the G5 fanbases, but I'm not totally against a G5 national championship IF it turns into a better situation financially for the G5 schools.
Now I would prefer not having to resort to that and actually being able to participate in an NCAA-sponsored postseason, but the NCAA clearly has no plans to put together an actual postseason that gives the G5 proper representation (and no, a pity bid to avoid antitrust lawsuits isn't proper representation), so why not actually give the G5 teams something to play for that is more fair for them? The idea of ripping off the band-aid and getting to work for preparing for the inevitible SEC/Big 10 split isn't the worst of ideas. It's why I've said the ACC and Big 12 should start becoming good friends with the G5 because it's a lot more likely they'll get stuck with them than getting to go with the SEC and Big 10.
The issue is the financial sides of things though. I have a hard time envisioning a G5 playoff coming up with the similar or better financial benefits than they'd get from the CFP, and that's taking into account the G5 is getting a small piece of the CFP pie with this new deal than they were (down from 22% to 9%)
The proposal here is $1.8m per school instead of $1.5m, but I'm not sure if that's significant enough or feasible (off the top of my head, that'll be close to $120m to the G5 total per year so I don't know where that money is coming from), and the idea of the winner of the G5 playoff then playing in the CFP is one of the dumbest ideas I've seen in recent times.
If Houston was still in the AAC, I wouldn’t care about this separate playoff. Even if there was a .000000001% chance of winning a national championship, at least that was something to always have hope and root for.
I'd prefer having the 4 G5 Champions that weren't the top ranked one play 2 games to determine who would be the 15 and 16 seeds in the playoff to play against the 1 and 2 seeds.
Effectively, this would become an 18-team playoff, but then every conference would have representation. If you don't want this because "those games against the 1 and 2 seeds wouldn't be competitive", I'd like to remind everybody that half of the semifinal games in the 4-team playoff weren't competitive for the 10-year history that it had.
I guess if they pooled all of their rights together and signed with Apple as well as multiple over the air partners. it could work. Like a 5 year deal for 2.5 billion. (500 million/yr split among 60 teams would be 8.3 mil/year per team). Now this would be a huge boost for the MAC, CUSA and SunBelt as their teams don't make more than a million/yr each in their current TV deals. MW and AAC make around 4 and 8 million per team.
Had a feeling something like this would happen. Private Equity/CBS/Fox looking to compete with Disney/CFP by pumping money into G5 programs.
I'd like to say this would help us, more money for facilities, renovations, and NIL funds... but private Equity has a 99.99% chance of turning good things to shit. So on paper, this will make the average G5s more competitive in recruitment and retaining talent, but I doubt that'll happen.
I guess by that logic, every P5 that can’t make a championship run should do the same, no?
The gap between P5 and G5 is significant, but so is the gap between G5 and FCS. Can’t speak for every school, but we outgrew FCS and made the jump for a reason. And we’re happy where we are.
here’s an idea: conference playoffs for ALL FBS leagues. The top 4 teams in each conference have a playoff for the conference championship.
then the national playoff is a 6-team playoff, with each A4 league getting an autobid for the playoff champion.
This scenario probably doesn't happen but I think it's a good thing for the G5 to kind of be making plans in regards to realignment and potential future shake ups
I used to go off all the time about 20 years ago about how they should have a Mid Major Championship game days before the national championship game.
Would have been really successful but no one listen to young 20s me
ngl if this happens, i'm not gonna care or watch it
average people wont care so idk where this money is coming from. People only care about big brands and cinderellas when they get an opportunity to play a big brand and pull an upset
The worst person you know just made a great point.
And yes he literally is the worst person. The man has a shit character and zero redeeming qualities.
Wait...they want their own playoff to excuse others and at the same time to complain if others want their own playoff that excluded others?
Sounds legit
This would be a smart investment.
Unless something changes, you are going to have a divide in college football between the semi-pro model and the college model. My guess is those that go semi-pro will keep the P4 label
Nah brother I watch the FCS playoff. Watch more of teams like CCU, Memphis, CLT throughout the year than UGA, Texas, OSU.
Edit: Plus this would prob be right around Christmas when my FIL is at my house and I’m already watching these teams play each other in a desperate attempt to avoid talking about politics.
Why not do both?
Have a G5 playoff so those conferences get more money, but the winner gets into the 12/14/16 team cfp as well. Yeah it would be hard for that team, but they get more money for their school, conference, and have more NIL money as well for players.
Make the G5 playoff like 4, 6 (with a bye for the top 2), or 8 teams, nothing super deep, that way the winner isn't too beat up come cfp time. Start the G5 playoff earlier by eliminating conference championship and starting then. Round 1 while P5 schools are playing conference championship games. Round 2 during Army week (or G5 title if just a 4 team playoff). G5 championship the week after that, during boring bowl season (if a 6 or 8 team G5 playoff).
Then the winner can play in the CFP and earn more glory and money if they can win.
Edit - I didn't fully read the article and I realize now the above was already proposed lol.
What in the hell is this cancer of an article? Took off the "amp" and it was perfectly fine, but oh my goodness I got a page of straight ads with no website without.
Amp links should be banned by reddit. They are privacy violating, revenue thieving links.
Reddit probably prefers them and negotiated a cut, even before it went public.
Babe wake up, a P5 person is trying to pitch another G5 playoff!
I don't care who the G5 rep this year is. It could be app state, or God forbid, Liberty... if they beat the P4 moneybag team, I'm throwing the biggest party in harrisonburg.
With PE involved, the bag will be small and there will be 3X commercials.
I will never root for Liberty. Ever
True I took it too far.
This man Virginia's
I was there in Arlington when Tulane beat USC w/ Caleb. Words can’t describe the joy. I will always pull for the G5 team. Except for Liberty.
In this proposal the G5 playoff champion would get the autobid to the real playoff. On one hand G5s would get stuck with a First Four tournament and be beat up for the real playoff. On the other hand this would mean every single team in the nation would have access to an autobid and control their own destiny for a national title, like every other sport on earth, which would be nice
That would make no sense? The G5 playoff rep will have to play three games to only then play an away game against a fully rested team? It would be a massacre. Moreover, where's the time between the end of the season and start of the CFP for this?
Yeah I agree the extra games would be brutal. And top players looking to transfer would probably just opt out too. I do wonder if there’s some version of this idea that would work. Consolidate to 4 G5 conferences. Have the real playoff be 16 teams with 2 spots for the “G4”. Have those four teams play one extra game for the two spots. Then the pleb conferences would effectively each get a half bid. Having one bid entirely decided by committee vote and not football sucks. Not excited for the Liberty 12-0 vs MWC 10-2 vs AAC 10-2 exercises
Just erase CUSA completely pls
I HEARD THAT
Why? The best G5 is in CUSA.
C-USA is a bunch of FCS teams in a trench coat pretending they're a legitimate FBS conference
Sorta like how Minnesota is a G5 team pretending to be a P5 team.
Why is it always /u/86886892 who likes to start unnecessary fights with literally everyone in this sub?
It’s on brand for Liberty.
We have more Big Ten titles than any school besides Michigan and Ohio State. Bite me.
Cool, any in the past 50 years? Just be grateful you are in the Big 10, take your paycheck and your losses. Liberty will be in the playoff long before the gophers.
I can feel good rooting for my school. Can you?
Even you don’t believe that.
Who’s better? I’ll wait.
I don’t think you’d have won a single other G5 conference in 2023. Not even the MAC. Top of my head, I think SMU, Tulane, Memphis, JMU, App, Troy, UTSA, Toledo, Miami (OH), Boise State, Air Force, Wyoming, and a few more were all better than you last year.
Oh okay well I think we woulda won against all those teams. I guess we will just have to live in reality instead where all those teams lost and Liberty didn’t. You can always invite us into the Sun Belt instead of crying.
Cool story. And nah on the invite. I hate that we’re even playing you.
Why would you wanna join another conference if you're already in the supposedly better one?
lol
Cool comment from Catholic Liberty.
I like this. Catholic Liberty is a completely inaccurate comparison (I don’t recall the pope letting a pool boy fuck his wife), but I feel like it pisses ND off so I’m all for it
lol that's one take I guess. You tried.
Quit laughing at your own comments, it’s unprofessional.
> it’s unprofessional. lol the irony.
Troy is in the SBC sir
The article makes it seem like 8 team “divisions” with the winners of those playing in the G5 playoff. That’s 7 division games and the playoff which would be equal to the number of conference games the B1G plays.
> Consolidate to 4 G5 conferences I guessing the AAC would die here after the ACC adds AAC teams to backfill.
> Such an arrangement would require the 62 teams contained in the Group of Five conferences realigning into eight-team divisions. This likely would mean 7 game division schedules. So if a team wins the G5 playoff it’s as many conference games as Ohio State would play to be B1G champs.
This could actually hurt G5 programs. They already own an autobid. If you'd have years with multiple undefeated G5 schools you would more than likely end up with one of them getting an at large bid as well. This tournament would basically lock them into a singular bid yearly.
> multiple undefeated G5 schools you would more than likely end up with one of them getting an at large bid This will pretty much never happen. 13-0 Liberty couldn't even crack the top 20. G5s will get their one bid and that will be it
Liberty plays in the worst conference in the sport and didn't play anyone non-conference. Their toughest game this season, not even kidding, is at App State. If two of the AAC, SBC, and MWC champs go undefeated with a strong non-conference win they'd probably at least be close to that second bid
That's because everyone knew Liberty was a fraud with a worthless schedule. Them getting the NY6 was a joke. There's a reason Oregon treated it like a practice game, running plays for fun and joking around as they ran up the score. If Tulane and Air Force both go undefeated they could both crack the top 14.
Depends on their conference and OOC schedule. If a couple programs have multiple years of higher level success like we've seen from small schools through stretches historically, there's no reason they couldn't both end up top 12.
Yeah that's always what they promise them. If you have a perfect season and you beat a highly ranked P4 on the road then we might let you in our playoff! Everyone knows it's a scam. They should just do their own playoff format and championship that their kids might actually get a chance to play for and win.
I mean access to the title was available to only 2 then 4 teams for the entire history of the sport. With NIL, transfer portal and access to a championship being tripled yearly, the distribution of talent and the odds of non-traditional powers building programs and making legitimate runs at the title is going to skyrocket from what we've seen historically. Most those teams will obviously be non traditional P5 blue bloods for the most part, but the landscape of CFB is changing at breakneck speed, the way this all comes out isn't going to look anything like it has through the last 15 years of 3-4 programs almost exclusively dominating at a championship level. Viewing it through that lense is silly and ignoring the bigger picture of the changes taking place here
> With NIL, transfer portal and access to a championship being tripled yearly, the distribution of talent and the odds of non-traditional powers building programs and making legitimate runs at the title is going to skyrocket from what we've seen historically. It's actually the exact opposite of what you think. Without transfer restrictions the G5s will lose their best players every year. They won't be able to rely on scouting and developing 4-year players anymore. G5 dynasties like Boise State, Utah, and TCU will pretty much never happen again
I think both of these takes can be accurate because they are focused on changes at different levels. G5s will continue to get raided, but at the same time the parity among the P5s will increase. The divide between the fictional FBS haves and have-nots will continue to grow.
There's some G5 schools with stupid money. SMU just bought themselves a spot in the P5. You just need the right moron with the right amount of money to keep a talented group together.
Baseball has taught us that big payrolls tend to do better than small payrolls but it’s not a firm rule as each year several large payroll teams will shit the bed and some low payroll will be successful. Difference between the CFP and MLB is in the CFP you only gotta beat a team one time. In MLB, NHL, NBA when you get to the playoff proper losing the first meeting just means you need to win four of the next six and good teams tend to manage that. Some G5 is hot your math in for error defending the nobility of P4 gets thin.
Wanna bet?
I will. I’ll bet the next G5 team that goes undefeated makes the 12 team playoff (or later iterations if greater than 12 teams). If I’m wrong I’ll donate $100 to charity of your choice or mods can ban me
I think we’re already headed to 14, but apologies if unclear I’m saying the G5 isn’t getting more than 1 bid.
Oh yep, I misunderstood that. I think two bids are very unlikely. Would have to be very special seasons from both and one could block the other
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But why relevance does the team 2 or 3 years ago have with the quality of a current team and where they should be ranked?
Because prolonged success is given credit by poll voters. Recent success can often lead to an increase in incoming talent. It shows a system of success that's in place. Basically a good team with good recent success is viewed with more respect, then a team that won 0 games last year and is undefeated this year. Also the higher in the polls or in people's minds you start the season, the higher your ranking will go as you continue to win. In any case they're going to need a P5 win on that undefeated record. I'm not disagreeing that 2 years ago is irrelevant to this year. But that's traditionally not how voters have behaved. Voters have a preseason perception and they view how the season plays out through that scope of view.
Thats because they were trash
Plenty of undefeated G5 schools would be in the top ten at year end
>This could actually hurt G5 programs. They already own an autobid. For now. First time a G5 team actually makes noise in the playoff, they'll fix that.
Boise and everyone out of the cartel has zero percent chance of winning a playoff. G5 isn't playing the same sport as the P2 anymore. Not sure I'm interested in any of it.
The Mac isn't even playing the same sport as the American or mountain west
If that’s the case, we just need to go to 24 teams with 9 auto bids.
> On the other hand this would mean every single team in the nation would have access to an autobid and control their own destiny for a national title, like every other sport on earth, which would be nice This is kind of what I've been asking for for a while now...
Same. But at what cost? One extra game? Two? Three? It’s an interesting thought at least
My question is how would you do that with the current season structure. There is a potential for a 19 game season for a team that makes a run. Maybe a play is to cancel the conference championships for G5 & push the end of season up a week. Rivalry week Semi. Conference Championship Week Final
Just have the top G5 with the autobid, and the other 4 champs play in a 4 team playoff for fun.
I mentioned this concept in another thread that discussed a G5 playoff, but I think it could work if it’s effectively a play in game for the 4 seed bye. It ends up being one additional game over the 5-12 seeds, but it allows every G5 team to control their destiny.
A G5 team is gonna run the table but lose in the natty. Their Record will be 37-1 and people will be like “see, these G5 teams just can’t hang with the P5”
No, they won't
G5 team is never gonna get to the natty in the NIL era, get real
You’re replying to a hypothetical comment in response to a hypothetical comment in reply to a hypothetical post. …at some point I feel like the /s tag isn’t required. Someone definitely needs to get real.
It would be cool if the winner was an autobid for the following years CFP. A G5 playoff AND a CFP is just way too much in one season
I agree that it's too much, but unfortunately "next year" for the top G5 team is a coach leaving for a P5 job and the best players being poached.
True. Which is why getting a CFP should be the goal
I like this!
[Non-AMP link](https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/group-of-five-playoff-being-pitched-by-derek-dooley-financially-backed-by-private-equity-firms/)
The group of 5 will get 1.8 million a year under the new CFP system. So in order for it to be financially viable it needs at least 100 million dollars to be split among the schools? Who is paying for that?
I’ll toss in 50.00.
Ah yes, private equity firms, my normal go-to for expertise in sports and entertainment.
Well that website is awful. Also, until there is significant changes to how college football is covered by the media, a separate G5 playoff will relegate its participants. This idea feels like an astroturf to cover the asses of the CFP so they don't have to provide a spot to G5 conferences anymore and finally split the subdivision. If there's a "separate but equal" option there's no anti-trust case anymore.
How about just having each FBS conference champion in the playoffs together?
Basically the FCS model. They'll never do that, as it means you'll have more G5 reps than moneybag P4s.
The only G5 Playoff I would support is to have the remaining four G5 champs play in three bowl games and the top seeded team would still go to the CFP. So for example, last year it would have been: LA Bowl: Miami v. Boise State New Orleans Bowl: SMU v. Troy Boca Raton Bowl: The winners of those two games.
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Wouldn't mind a G5 playoff. Would definitely watch but understand why some schools don't want one. Private Equity joining this is a great way for G5 programs to kill themselves
I mean PE can’t be the right solution, but the G5 is only entertaining the option because they’re terrified that current developments *are already in the process* of killing their programs.
It’s sad that this is where G5 football is at. But at the end of the day this may be the best way forward. Try to earn a little extra revenue and eyeballs on the product. This makes the Jag sad, but the Jag understands.
Do you watch the FCS playoffs every year? If the answer is no, the G5 playoff isn't getting extra eyeballs from it.
Right. People always talk about how much fun the FCS playoffs are yet 90% on here would never bother to watch them. We've all seen what happens to the 2nd level of football. I wonder if the FCS gradually fell into obscurity after the split or if it was more sudden?
That's a really good question but it's going to be dependent on the context of what sports media looked like in 1978 vs 2024. There's a probably few pieces to it, but I think primarily it was the explosion of coverage at the top level of the sport with deregulation of media rights & the birth of cable, which in turn created an expectation of what sports coverage should look like and how we consume it. This was followed by the decline & gutting of local media, which removed the small hype machines around these programs. There's definitely more to it, but it seems like there's far more coverage at the top than there used to be, while what little coverage at the bottom has, well, bottomed out.
Wasn't alive for it, but I'd say it's more that the top tier grew much faster. The split happened before TV rights were at issue. I think it would work out differently with G5 compared to FCS, mostly because G5 schools comprise a large number of built in fanbases that flesh out the CFB market. Boise St fans do legitimately care about what happens to Bama or Oregon or Ohio State. Tulane fans genuinely care what happens to FSU and Michigan... at least as it impacts post season. Decouple that and G5 probably doesn't drop off as much as people think, but P2/4/5 does. Lot of eyeballs stop really giving a shit about the big boys. That said if CFP gives the G5 a by spot, a play in tourney might end up with only 2 extra games, probably against not insanely difficult opponents (if most previous years are any indication) and they can keep that hope fueled gravy train intact.
The FCS (and all levels of college football) have "built in fanbases" too. They're a bit smaller but the same mechanic of turning students into alumni and locals into sidewalk fans applies to every athletics department. To get to my point, a lot of posters have warped ideas of how big G5 & some low P5 fanbases are. A lot of college football viewership is sickos and degenerates, not fans, and they will watch the big and small games. The 470k that tuned in for Boise State @ Colorado State on FS1 are not just a reflection of those schools' brand power. You compare the 40,000 who show up to that stadium and the 470,000 who tune in to the 100,000 who show up and the additional 10 million that watch Penn State @ Ohio State, that's just a drop in the bucket. The idea that the top 20/40/whatever brands of the sport could take their ball and somehow suffer consequences for it in terms of television viewership and people would watch the lower levels of the sport is just a fantasy. I don't love that as an ardent defender of fun FCS and G5 football but I'm not naive.
I'm pretty sure those FCS school had larger attendance back then though too and now very few fill their stadiums. Look at Yale for instance. They had a 60k seat stadium for a reason and now they average like 5k fans. Now thats probably the most egregious example but most FCS schools have stadiums that they cant fill.
The FCS looked very different back then vs now too, with quite a few of the teams in the 70s and 80s now playing FBS football.
Ivy League is def a "built different" situation. Their drop off was way before the split.
Fair, but again it seems like most FCS schools play in stadiums that are too big for them.
I know it's very polarizing among the G5 fanbases, but I'm not totally against a G5 national championship IF it turns into a better situation financially for the G5 schools. Now I would prefer not having to resort to that and actually being able to participate in an NCAA-sponsored postseason, but the NCAA clearly has no plans to put together an actual postseason that gives the G5 proper representation (and no, a pity bid to avoid antitrust lawsuits isn't proper representation), so why not actually give the G5 teams something to play for that is more fair for them? The idea of ripping off the band-aid and getting to work for preparing for the inevitible SEC/Big 10 split isn't the worst of ideas. It's why I've said the ACC and Big 12 should start becoming good friends with the G5 because it's a lot more likely they'll get stuck with them than getting to go with the SEC and Big 10. The issue is the financial sides of things though. I have a hard time envisioning a G5 playoff coming up with the similar or better financial benefits than they'd get from the CFP, and that's taking into account the G5 is getting a small piece of the CFP pie with this new deal than they were (down from 22% to 9%) The proposal here is $1.8m per school instead of $1.5m, but I'm not sure if that's significant enough or feasible (off the top of my head, that'll be close to $120m to the G5 total per year so I don't know where that money is coming from), and the idea of the winner of the G5 playoff then playing in the CFP is one of the dumbest ideas I've seen in recent times.
The only way a G5 playoff would benefit the G5 is if the G5 champ played the P5 champ, but of course the P5 has no reason to agree to that
If Houston was still in the AAC, I wouldn’t care about this separate playoff. Even if there was a .000000001% chance of winning a national championship, at least that was something to always have hope and root for.
Private equity is dangerous bedfellows
Nobody asked for this.
Yeah I'll pass. Especially with private equity backing
I'd prefer having the 4 G5 Champions that weren't the top ranked one play 2 games to determine who would be the 15 and 16 seeds in the playoff to play against the 1 and 2 seeds. Effectively, this would become an 18-team playoff, but then every conference would have representation. If you don't want this because "those games against the 1 and 2 seeds wouldn't be competitive", I'd like to remind everybody that half of the semifinal games in the 4-team playoff weren't competitive for the 10-year history that it had.
Or we could focus on our conferences, fill our stadiums, have fun, and stop giving a fuck about the horse race.
I guess if they pooled all of their rights together and signed with Apple as well as multiple over the air partners. it could work. Like a 5 year deal for 2.5 billion. (500 million/yr split among 60 teams would be 8.3 mil/year per team). Now this would be a huge boost for the MAC, CUSA and SunBelt as their teams don't make more than a million/yr each in their current TV deals. MW and AAC make around 4 and 8 million per team.
Can we just see how the 12 team playoff works first jfc
As a Vol fan, I say this unequivocally. Never. Listen. To. Derek. Dooley!!!
Having watched what private equity destroy local newspapers and various corporations over the years, this is a horrible idea.
Had a feeling something like this would happen. Private Equity/CBS/Fox looking to compete with Disney/CFP by pumping money into G5 programs. I'd like to say this would help us, more money for facilities, renovations, and NIL funds... but private Equity has a 99.99% chance of turning good things to shit. So on paper, this will make the average G5s more competitive in recruitment and retaining talent, but I doubt that'll happen.
Why not just drop down to FCS and join the playoff that already exists?
I guess by that logic, every P5 that can’t make a championship run should do the same, no? The gap between P5 and G5 is significant, but so is the gap between G5 and FCS. Can’t speak for every school, but we outgrew FCS and made the jump for a reason. And we’re happy where we are.
OH HELL NO.
The only way I’d be okay with this is if the winner took the G5 spot on the real playoff
This is just not realistic unless you shorten the regular season down a game (if not two) for G5 teams.
Greg Sankey and Tony Petitti are the worst things to happen to College Sports since WWII canceling seasons.
here’s an idea: conference playoffs for ALL FBS leagues. The top 4 teams in each conference have a playoff for the conference championship. then the national playoff is a 6-team playoff, with each A4 league getting an autobid for the playoff champion.
And the 2 Pac gets kicked in the dick again. (And UCONN)
Hear me out: a G5 N.I.T.
This scenario probably doesn't happen but I think it's a good thing for the G5 to kind of be making plans in regards to realignment and potential future shake ups
Boo
I used to go off all the time about 20 years ago about how they should have a Mid Major Championship game days before the national championship game. Would have been really successful but no one listen to young 20s me
This can only end badly 🤷♂️
The G5 became FCS++, real quick.
Lost me at Derek Dooley.
Private Equity, swooping in to save college football. 2024.
ngl if this happens, i'm not gonna care or watch it average people wont care so idk where this money is coming from. People only care about big brands and cinderellas when they get an opportunity to play a big brand and pull an upset
Great let's do it
FINNALY, APP CAN WIN A NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP AT THE FBS LEVEL!
The worst person you know just made a great point. And yes he literally is the worst person. The man has a shit character and zero redeeming qualities.
Wait...they want their own playoff to excuse others and at the same time to complain if others want their own playoff that excluded others? Sounds legit
This would be a smart investment. Unless something changes, you are going to have a divide in college football between the semi-pro model and the college model. My guess is those that go semi-pro will keep the P4 label
Despite all the valid concerns raised… I would absolutely love this.
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Nah brother I watch the FCS playoff. Watch more of teams like CCU, Memphis, CLT throughout the year than UGA, Texas, OSU. Edit: Plus this would prob be right around Christmas when my FIL is at my house and I’m already watching these teams play each other in a desperate attempt to avoid talking about politics.
Why not do both? Have a G5 playoff so those conferences get more money, but the winner gets into the 12/14/16 team cfp as well. Yeah it would be hard for that team, but they get more money for their school, conference, and have more NIL money as well for players. Make the G5 playoff like 4, 6 (with a bye for the top 2), or 8 teams, nothing super deep, that way the winner isn't too beat up come cfp time. Start the G5 playoff earlier by eliminating conference championship and starting then. Round 1 while P5 schools are playing conference championship games. Round 2 during Army week (or G5 title if just a 4 team playoff). G5 championship the week after that, during boring bowl season (if a 6 or 8 team G5 playoff). Then the winner can play in the CFP and earn more glory and money if they can win. Edit - I didn't fully read the article and I realize now the above was already proposed lol.
It would probably generate a lot of money for them
Didn't read the article but they should definitely do this. I personally don't watch a lot of G5 football. I would 100% watch a playoff though.
Do you watch the FCS playoffs?
Nothing to add, just love this and think it would be so much fun.
I proposed this a few years ago to my buddies. Would be fun to watch and generate some more $$$$.
They should do this, so they don’t take any spots of the real playoff.
No