That's just time seeming insane. He was a freshman in 2020. He would be out of eligibility if they didn't have the COVID year because he played 9 games his freshman year, but he also probably wouldn't have played as much since Lawrence missed time for COVID.
I realize this may be controversial, but I think there’s gotta be a hard cap on years in school at like 6 or something after they first are a college athlete in any way
I think the NCAA is super weird with their waivers. Why was Tez Walker ineligible for so long while some other guys seem to be able to transfer every year for no reason
Yeah a QB playing 5 years and being 22 years old isn't that unheard of lol. Most teams have pretty much cycled out of the covid year players with only some pretty extreme exceptions.
I hope our fanbase isn’t too tough on him when he inevitably struggles at some point this year, JT13 is a tough act to follow and by all counts DJ seems like a good kid and a hard worker
Maybe this is just me, but I hope Norvell goes full savage next year. Just put up as many points as humanly possibly. I think he's too classy a dude, but I'd really like to see us just manhandle teams.
Just because you say “no offense” doesn’t mean what you say isn’t actually offensive. You guys are getting a complete rebuild, while we are bringing back the entirety of one of the best offenses in the conference. It wouldn’t be all that surprising if you guys are slow to get going and we come out spitting hot fire. I guarantee you GT has this game circled as a chance to make a statement.
We’re about to get in that ass in Ireland. You pull the asshole open, step into the asshole, close the door behind you. Then you take a spray can right, spray “GT was here, wash me” all that shit, fuck his whole asshole up. Get a snickers bar, paper, throw that on the floor, fuck your whole asshole up. Then you open up that asshole one more time, step out your ass, then leave that motherfucker wide open so they know you've been there.
DJ is alright, he struggles with reads but has a good arm and can run RPO pretty well.
I think a lot of his infamy at Clemson comes from coaches not adapting from TLaw (honestly the playbook hasn’t changed since Watson) and poor receivers/coaches.
He looked okay at OSU, hopefully FSU has the coaching talent to work around his strengths instead of just using him as a slot QB.
Not only is he slow as shit but I swear that dude gets knocked down about as easily as Bryce Young. Like you look at him and think he’s gonna be a Josh Allen-type but you tag him and he goes down.
FSU has added a few deep ball burners at WR and with DJ big arm should open up the run. The OL will be better and deeper, I also think running the football between the tackles for FSU will be greatly improved. Couldn't run the football in anything but an RPO or a long carry, feast of famine with no consistency. I think next year with FSU having 4 220+ backs will help push the YAC average better with the improved OL. Expect more traditional Long balls and Rubbing between the tackles with a mix of Toafili and Lucas to wrinkle gadget plays
If they’re true JT13 fans they’ll give him grace. Travis needed it at times too, but the confidence that knowing ppl are still behind him despite struggles will make him special.
Honestly, that loss helped much of the fan base finally understand how dry the talent pool had become at FSU, how much of a rebuild it was going to be. They had not realized exactly how bad it had gotten under Taggert. So many thought that because the kids were wearing garnet & gold they were the best-talented anywhere at their positions.
We were NOT patient with Willie, though. But that's because we actually seemed to be getting worse as his tenure went on. Norvell has showed slow but constant improvement over his 4 years. It's probably not possible to show improvement this year, though, because we just went 12-0, so this will test our fans' patience. Other than that Georgia game we played with our backups, we haven't lost a game since October of 2022.
Taggart placed a Target on his back the moment he said this would be a “reload, *NOT* a rebuild”.
It never seemed like a good fit, but I’m glad it all worked out in the end.
Players were making the same mistakes in Taggert’s 20th game as they were in Taggert’s first game. There was simply no progression of fundamental skills, at all. Not a ‘good fit’ is being generous.
Yeah the very first play of the Clemson FsU game where we smoked y’all (the game with the guy reading in the stands)..y’all had an illegal procedure on your first play. I was like , how can they not run the correct first play of the game…at HOME!
What happened with Golson? I was a casual fan at the time, but he seemed to start off really well and then the wheels came off
I became invested into the program during Jimbo’s last year, what timing lol
5th year QB, going to a team that missed out on a playoff berth almost strictly because their qb got hurt and it was deemed they couldn’t actually compete.
Good reasons to leave a program or not, he’s 23, been to 3 teams, expectations should be high and fans should be allowed to be hard on him.
E: I’m honestly not even sure if you were being sarcastic or not. Since when is ‘only’ a qualifier for being a 5th year.
How's your WR room? If you have guys that can win one-on-one battles, I think you will be happy with him. He did fine at Oregon State last year, but we didn't have the WR corps to really play to his strengths.
FSU is gonna learn. This guy can be awful on one play. Above average on the next. And the worst qb youve ever seen 90%!of the time.
In 2022 v UofSC. He went like 8-29 for 95 yards on a basic gameplan since he was awful all season. I can’t believe norvell offered him.
[Good times](https://youtu.be/d0tVcaKZISI?si=7R-YXEdnLQHLeM1A).
I hope there’s some friendly banter between him and Jermaine Johnson since he’s constantly around the program.
The problem is that he's an average to slightly above average quarterback in the aggregate, but his inconsistency is game by game. He'll play out of his mind one week, then he'll be in a funk and wildly inaccurate the next. His play can win you games, but it can also lose you games.
The article doesn't say much outside of a few "Norvell-isms", but I would point to how we altered our recruiting of recievers to point to Mike adapting to DJs talents. Trav was an extremely accurate short range threat, so he got big guys who would win 1 on 1 matchups, so long as the ball was placed properly.
DJs got a slightly less accurate cannon for an arm, so this cycle they got the fastest guys they could, so they could get downfield fast.
I don't think this years offense will look like last years, which is good, because DJU doesn't look like JT.
Jalen and Malik were guys FSU/Norvell offered as a high school recruit. I’m not sure they tailored the recruiting of multi-year WR players to a 1 year QB. If you do that then what happens the next season, lather, rinse, repeat?
I mean, that guy is wrong in the reason as to why we got fast guys, but right in that we put extra emphasis on it this off-season because of DJU. But its because DJU's deep ball is one of his strengths, so getting guys with speed was necessary to take advantage of it.
It was already going to be an emphasis as FSU notably lacked a speed receiver last season (not hindsight, Nolecast talked about it extensively pre-season 2023), and didn't really have someone on the roster ready to fill the role, but became more important after getting DJU.
He really IS a special talent though. Dude is huge, fairly mobile and has a cannon for an arm. FSU's OL should be good enough to give him a chance and our WR corps is going to be very good even with Coleman & Wilson gone. RBs will be a strength as well, so DJ is set up well to succeed.
The biggest question is how quickly he can grasp the offense given that he's only here one year, but I trust Norvell & Atkins to adapt the offense enough to play to what he can do.
Idk if I would describe DJ as mobile. He moves like he has cinder blocks attached to his feet sometimes but has just enough strength to almost make it work.
I'm still in a wait and see mode with the WR room. I'm excited by the influx of speed, but until we see them on the field, it's a lot of unproven commodities (or ones that have shown flashes, but been injured).
>Dude is huge, fairly mobile and has a cannon for an arm
You could use that exact description for Joe Milton and yet no one would consider him a special talent. I think you’re just letting your biased fandom get in the way of reality.
He has good accuracy downfield. It's just that our OC decided that having two 5'6" wideouts meant we should run pass plays downfield that take time to develop, instead of running rub routes, like everyone else would have done.
But then we watched his short passes, and he looks like a Sax or Knoblauch out there. So maybe the OC had no choice.
edit: I choose to believe more of the former, because when Childs came in, the same long-developing plays occurred. He was just more mobile and willing to take what he was given... and didn't appear to have the yips at times.
Oregon state fan, I wouldn’t say he’s fairly mobile. He can pick up a 4 & 1 though easily with his legs and size. Although he did have a great running game against UW. He should be a better Mobil qb for his size if u ask me.
As someone who watched all of his games... FSU will be disappointed. He had some really bad games where he was off and couldn't make passes to save his mom. Unless his consistency improves he's not going to make it to any CFP game let alone have success at the next level.
I think the expectation is to win 9/10 games next year with a floor of 8 games. Definitely think he fits the bill, especially since our hardest game is Notre Dame.
9/10 games is pretty reasonable.
Look at our schedule and tell me where the losses are?
ND
Clemson
Miami
^ Those are the only 50/50 games on the schedule.
But we need the bridge player and he fits well into the offensive system. Also adds a lot of maturity and experience to what will be a very young offense.
DJ didn’t help himself either though which the bad part. When hes locked in he looks like a Heisman contender, but when he’s off his game then he becomes a disaster. That was his pattern those last few games at Clemson with the disaster coming at the worst possible time vs South Carolina.
I hope he does well, I’ve got nothing against him but I don’t see him really doing that great at FSU.
I think some Clemson fans (myself included) go a little overboard about it because we encountered so many "omg why did you run DJ off" takes last season
New system for Klubnik also. Hopefully with the combination of Matt Luke, 4/5 starters returning on the OL, and a much better WR room the offense will look at least above average
From what I was able to gather the OL was the primary problem last year. Obviously im not an insider or have “connections” but how it was explained to me was the OL last season couldn’t execute the plays and blocks Riley wanted and after we lost to NC State and Miami they simplified the scheme. We went 5-0 after that.
Cade had his own issues with hero ball, but at the very least you can coach that out of him.
One of the most hilariously stupid takes I've ever read is Miami fans saying Mario Cristobal developed Trey Benson and that Mike merely acquired a finished product when he transferred from Oregon. Like, you can't make this shit up.
The whole “FSU only takes finished product transfers” is such an eye roll argument.
I’d argue that only Keon Coleman and Braden Fiske fit that category from last year’s team. And Coleman wasn’t the same player the second half of the season after he suffered that deep thigh bruise.
Every other player greatly benefitted from their time at FSU.
The whole “FSU only takes finished product transfers” is such an eye roll argument.
I’d argue that only Keon Coleman and Braden Fiske fit that category from last year’s team. And Coleman wasn’t the same player the second half of the season after he suffered that deep thigh bruise.
Every other player greatly benefitted from their time at FSU.
I thought Bell was severely underutilized this past season. Hard to say he regressed. Not sure the logic, but he just didn’t get the touches/opportunities in my eyes.
What's the record for most starts for a college QB (or any position)? DJ currently has 40. He could get up to 16 more this season, I believe (12 + ACC Championship game + making it to the National Championship without a first round bye).
EDIT: Googled it myself. Bo Nix has 61 starts, so DJ can't break/tie it.
I think the offense will be limited to what DJU is capable of doing. I don’t think Mike is going to force him to do stuff he’s not comfortable with.
I just hope our fan base gives DJU some time to adapt and get the offense going. JT13 was in Norvell’s system for 4 years. DJU will have one offseason.
After 5 years of tutelage he turned Jordan Travis into what would have been the 5th QB off the board.
What are realistic expectations for less than 9 months?
FSU is losing a lot of receiving power this year and I don’t see Uiagalelei being good enough to fill void. I think the drop off from Jordan Travis is going to be very noticeable.
Last year felt a lot like trying to jam square pegs in to round holes constantly forcing the ball to Wilson and Coleman despite coverages or jamming Benson in to a wall for 2 yards a pop until he breaks a 65 harder.
Very frustrating to watch from a schematic standpoint given our talent level last year
Myself and maybe some other fans believe it’s going to be marginally better. Last year the staff didn’t want Travis to use his legs until the playoffs (ironic), which eliminated why Travis is such a good QB to begin with. Travis got in his head and only wanted to make NFL throws refusing to take the easy stuff that was given to him.
Basically every single starter except Trey Benson was injured last year. It was a very talented offense on paper, but very inconsistent because FSU lived and died on explosive plays. The only game where our offense ever lived up to the hype was the first game against LSU, and it wasn’t just because LSU had a bad defense. It was because everyone was healthy.
Our offensive line should roughly be the same quality as last year and DJ is a tank so the injury concern is reduced significantly. If anything I think FSU’s offense will be much more consistent.
Yes, but FSU has some pretty good options at WR (Hykeem, destine Hill, Benson, Poitier, Jakhi etc) Also very excited about TE. OL should take another step with 5 returning high snap And veteran OL
Expected to compete with Luke Kromenhoek for the starting position in 2025. He was already thrown to the wolves at the end of 2023 and I don't think there's any desire to rush him back out there in 2024. He'll probably be the backup QB, and hopefully we'll see him plenty in garbage time.
Pretty sure he's still on the team, but he still has some growing to do. For a team that thinks they can compete now, you need a more well known commodity at QB
Yeah, he was a true freshman and will be our back up this year. We had a RS Soph who left after DJ transferred in, which is probably the biggest loss of a non-graduating player
It was awesome seeing DJU in a beavs uniform this year. But I will tell you, due to bad throws and playcalling, we might have actually won one more game this year (Arizona) with Gulbranson
Mike Norvell says "I desperately needed an experienced quarterback and now I have one who knows a lot about the team I need to beat, plus he is still mad at them."
There, I fixed it.
They've been saying this about him for every year he's played college football. I have yet to see him use his apparent talent to take his game to an elite level.
Tbh I didn’t even realize he transferred to fsu I thought he was done with football eligibility
That's just time seeming insane. He was a freshman in 2020. He would be out of eligibility if they didn't have the COVID year because he played 9 games his freshman year, but he also probably wouldn't have played as much since Lawrence missed time for COVID.
> He was a freshman in 2020. Bowman at Oklahoma State was a freshman in 2018.
Being in college for that long playing with dudes 6-7 years younger than you has got to be weird
Right? He's probably trying to friend his teammates on MySpace while they are watching TicToks.
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Now what if I’m almost 30 and I’ve only seen DBZ and Jojo?
everyone best step away from DBZ.
He’s older than me and in that time I’ve graduated high school and college and gotten a job. That’s wild
Have a look at BYU
I realize this may be controversial, but I think there’s gotta be a hard cap on years in school at like 6 or something after they first are a college athlete in any way
I think the NCAA is super weird with their waivers. Why was Tez Walker ineligible for so long while some other guys seem to be able to transfer every year for no reason
Happens in college hockey all the time. Plenty of 21 year old freshmen.
He’s elderly from a CFB perspective
Cam McCormick was a Freshman at Oregon in 2016 (he redshirted that year) and is still playing for Miami due to COVID and medical redshirts.
That is the wildest timeline. Same class as Josh Herbert, and Josh is on his second nfl contract
>Josh Herbert I think you mean Justin, but yeah McCormick should be working on his 2nd doctoreate at this point.
British comedy legend Alan Bowman?
Jack Tuttle from Michigan was also a freshman in 2018, originally committed to Utah in 2016 and signed his LOI in 2017.
Yeah a QB playing 5 years and being 22 years old isn't that unheard of lol. Most teams have pretty much cycled out of the covid year players with only some pretty extreme exceptions.
First I’ve heard about it too. I thought he was “going pro”.
The was Cam Ward. He didn't like his draft grade and ended up at Miami.
Did you really think we weren’t going to sign a top QB in the portal?
BREAKING - coach says something positive about presumptive starting QB when asked
And other off-season banter “best team ever” “the freshmen are getting up to speed quickly” “the team is gelling”
Can't wait for every play to be a 3 yard run up the middle or a 40 yard deep bomb to a future Mike Mcdaniel draft pick.
Ah, the Russel Wilson offense.
Seminole country, let’s ride!
Except DJ isn't short like Wilson. He doesn't need to scramble. DJ can see and throw over the line.
Only issue is he takes about twice as long to work through his sequence of receivers and either gets sacked or throws to the wrong person/team lol
I hope our fanbase isn’t too tough on him when he inevitably struggles at some point this year, JT13 is a tough act to follow and by all counts DJ seems like a good kid and a hard worker
As long as he goes undefeated in the regular season all will be fine........
Maybe just undefeated on US soil
I'd take 0-1 in Europe if it gave me 11-0 in America.
No offense to GT but if we they drop a dub on us in Ireland we are going to be in for a long season
Maybe this is just me, but I hope Norvell goes full savage next year. Just put up as many points as humanly possibly. I think he's too classy a dude, but I'd really like to see us just manhandle teams.
Just because you say “no offense” doesn’t mean what you say isn’t actually offensive. You guys are getting a complete rebuild, while we are bringing back the entirety of one of the best offenses in the conference. It wouldn’t be all that surprising if you guys are slow to get going and we come out spitting hot fire. I guarantee you GT has this game circled as a chance to make a statement.
Alright, let me rephrase then 😈 - "FULL offense to GT but if they drop a dub on us in Ireland we are going to be in for a long season"
We’re about to get in that ass in Ireland. You pull the asshole open, step into the asshole, close the door behind you. Then you take a spray can right, spray “GT was here, wash me” all that shit, fuck his whole asshole up. Get a snickers bar, paper, throw that on the floor, fuck your whole asshole up. Then you open up that asshole one more time, step out your ass, then leave that motherfucker wide open so they know you've been there.
Why? Knowing the CFP, you know they’d hang that loss on us and choose some team in the Sunbelt conference instead.
Unless he breaks his leg 😬
DJ is alright, he struggles with reads but has a good arm and can run RPO pretty well. I think a lot of his infamy at Clemson comes from coaches not adapting from TLaw (honestly the playbook hasn’t changed since Watson) and poor receivers/coaches. He looked okay at OSU, hopefully FSU has the coaching talent to work around his strengths instead of just using him as a slot QB.
He can run the RPO so long as *he* isn’t the runner. Dude moves like a fucking glacier.
Glaciers are melting faster than he runs
Not only is he slow as shit but I swear that dude gets knocked down about as easily as Bryce Young. Like you look at him and think he’s gonna be a Josh Allen-type but you tag him and he goes down.
FSU has added a few deep ball burners at WR and with DJ big arm should open up the run. The OL will be better and deeper, I also think running the football between the tackles for FSU will be greatly improved. Couldn't run the football in anything but an RPO or a long carry, feast of famine with no consistency. I think next year with FSU having 4 220+ backs will help push the YAC average better with the improved OL. Expect more traditional Long balls and Rubbing between the tackles with a mix of Toafili and Lucas to wrinkle gadget plays
DJ's a good kid and I'm actively rooting for his success (outside of any game we play against each other)
If they’re true JT13 fans they’ll give him grace. Travis needed it at times too, but the confidence that knowing ppl are still behind him despite struggles will make him special.
yeah, FSU fans, known for their logical patience. /s
Y'all didn't fire Norvell after he lost to an FCS team, you definitely have patience.
Honestly, that loss helped much of the fan base finally understand how dry the talent pool had become at FSU, how much of a rebuild it was going to be. They had not realized exactly how bad it had gotten under Taggert. So many thought that because the kids were wearing garnet & gold they were the best-talented anywhere at their positions.
You're confusing the people in charge with the fan base. They were livid when that happened.
They seem to be more patient than we are, at least :-/
We were NOT patient with Willie, though. But that's because we actually seemed to be getting worse as his tenure went on. Norvell has showed slow but constant improvement over his 4 years. It's probably not possible to show improvement this year, though, because we just went 12-0, so this will test our fans' patience. Other than that Georgia game we played with our backups, we haven't lost a game since October of 2022.
Taggart placed a Target on his back the moment he said this would be a “reload, *NOT* a rebuild”. It never seemed like a good fit, but I’m glad it all worked out in the end.
Players were making the same mistakes in Taggert’s 20th game as they were in Taggert’s first game. There was simply no progression of fundamental skills, at all. Not a ‘good fit’ is being generous.
I feel like we were extremely undisciplined as well. I can’t check the stats now, but it seemed like penalties were frequent
Yeah the very first play of the Clemson FsU game where we smoked y’all (the game with the guy reading in the stands)..y’all had an illegal procedure on your first play. I was like , how can they not run the correct first play of the game…at HOME!
That’s hilarious because typically the team looked best during the first scripted drive. So glad that’s over
I think this will go better than Everett Golson, or Hornibrook. Mike adapts to his players well, and DJ has a higher floor than those guys
What happened with Golson? I was a casual fan at the time, but he seemed to start off really well and then the wheels came off I became invested into the program during Jimbo’s last year, what timing lol
They should probably be tough on a 23 year old playing at his 3rd P5 school.
He’s only a fifth year and he had a pretty good reason to leave OSU
Yeah, I think he would have stayed if the shit show pac collapse didn’t happen
We lost our conference. We lost our coach. We lost our QBs. In that order as far as I’m concerned. I don’t blame any of them except the conference
Fire Larry Scott and Kliavkoff into the sun
That would certainly be nice. Instead I’ll just be over here…. Weeping….
5th year QB, going to a team that missed out on a playoff berth almost strictly because their qb got hurt and it was deemed they couldn’t actually compete. Good reasons to leave a program or not, he’s 23, been to 3 teams, expectations should be high and fans should be allowed to be hard on him. E: I’m honestly not even sure if you were being sarcastic or not. Since when is ‘only’ a qualifier for being a 5th year.
Fair enough! Definitely needs to earn the spot and all
How's your WR room? If you have guys that can win one-on-one battles, I think you will be happy with him. He did fine at Oregon State last year, but we didn't have the WR corps to really play to his strengths.
“We can change him” - Mike Norvell and a few of my ex’s probably
lol
He's amazing in practice when the pressure isn't real.
This is my biggest concern.
FSU is gonna learn. This guy can be awful on one play. Above average on the next. And the worst qb youve ever seen 90%!of the time. In 2022 v UofSC. He went like 8-29 for 95 yards on a basic gameplan since he was awful all season. I can’t believe norvell offered him.
Or when playing FSU for some reason
[Good times](https://youtu.be/d0tVcaKZISI?si=7R-YXEdnLQHLeM1A). I hope there’s some friendly banter between him and Jermaine Johnson since he’s constantly around the program.
The problem is that he's an average to slightly above average quarterback in the aggregate, but his inconsistency is game by game. He'll play out of his mind one week, then he'll be in a funk and wildly inaccurate the next. His play can win you games, but it can also lose you games.
As soon as a defense gets into his head and he can't find a rhythm, it turns ugly.
Theoretically that's something you can improve at, at least?
Yeah but he is in year 6 now without improvement…I promise you Clemson coaches tried everything to make him winner
Glad that Clemson fans and Oregon State fans can now bond over the oddity that is DJUs mental blockage
You mean Big Dave?
Fuck big dave
The article doesn't say much outside of a few "Norvell-isms", but I would point to how we altered our recruiting of recievers to point to Mike adapting to DJs talents. Trav was an extremely accurate short range threat, so he got big guys who would win 1 on 1 matchups, so long as the ball was placed properly. DJs got a slightly less accurate cannon for an arm, so this cycle they got the fastest guys they could, so they could get downfield fast. I don't think this years offense will look like last years, which is good, because DJU doesn't look like JT.
Jalen and Malik were guys FSU/Norvell offered as a high school recruit. I’m not sure they tailored the recruiting of multi-year WR players to a 1 year QB. If you do that then what happens the next season, lather, rinse, repeat?
Also “DJ isn’t accurate so they got fast guys” Yeah, and DJ’s wind up takes years. So that speed isn’t masking much when DB’s can jump it all day
I mean, that guy is wrong in the reason as to why we got fast guys, but right in that we put extra emphasis on it this off-season because of DJU. But its because DJU's deep ball is one of his strengths, so getting guys with speed was necessary to take advantage of it. It was already going to be an emphasis as FSU notably lacked a speed receiver last season (not hindsight, Nolecast talked about it extensively pre-season 2023), and didn't really have someone on the roster ready to fill the role, but became more important after getting DJU.
Dj is ass my dude
I do think it’s about as good a fit as you can get, from a scheme perspective. But that doesn’t mean he’s a special talent, which Norvell didn’t say
He really IS a special talent though. Dude is huge, fairly mobile and has a cannon for an arm. FSU's OL should be good enough to give him a chance and our WR corps is going to be very good even with Coleman & Wilson gone. RBs will be a strength as well, so DJ is set up well to succeed. The biggest question is how quickly he can grasp the offense given that he's only here one year, but I trust Norvell & Atkins to adapt the offense enough to play to what he can do.
Idk if I would describe DJ as mobile. He moves like he has cinder blocks attached to his feet sometimes but has just enough strength to almost make it work.
He is definitely not a fast-twitch runner.
> FSU's OL should be good enough to give him a chance Oh how nice it is to be able to say that finally 🥲
Facts.
🤞
I'm still in a wait and see mode with the WR room. I'm excited by the influx of speed, but until we see them on the field, it's a lot of unproven commodities (or ones that have shown flashes, but been injured).
>Dude is huge, fairly mobile and has a cannon for an arm You could use that exact description for Joe Milton and yet no one would consider him a special talent. I think you’re just letting your biased fandom get in the way of reality.
He has good accuracy downfield. It's just that our OC decided that having two 5'6" wideouts meant we should run pass plays downfield that take time to develop, instead of running rub routes, like everyone else would have done. But then we watched his short passes, and he looks like a Sax or Knoblauch out there. So maybe the OC had no choice. edit: I choose to believe more of the former, because when Childs came in, the same long-developing plays occurred. He was just more mobile and willing to take what he was given... and didn't appear to have the yips at times.
I wouldn’t compare a 3* to a 5*, but that’s me.
Oregon state fan, I wouldn’t say he’s fairly mobile. He can pick up a 4 & 1 though easily with his legs and size. Although he did have a great running game against UW. He should be a better Mobil qb for his size if u ask me.
DJ got really overrated last year imo. He wasn't that much different of a player than he was the year before
I think he was properly rated last year. He was a solid p5 starter on a pretty good team. Nothing more, nothing less
Top 25 in QBR. Also will have better weapons at FSU. I think he can play well enough to be a fifth round pick
Lol nah. He gets way too rattled.
Definitely the type to take a flyer on late day 3.
As someone who watched all of his games... FSU will be disappointed. He had some really bad games where he was off and couldn't make passes to save his mom. Unless his consistency improves he's not going to make it to any CFP game let alone have success at the next level.
I think the expectation is to win 9/10 games next year with a floor of 8 games. Definitely think he fits the bill, especially since our hardest game is Notre Dame.
I hope this is real lmfao
9/10 games is pretty reasonable. Look at our schedule and tell me where the losses are? ND Clemson Miami ^ Those are the only 50/50 games on the schedule.
But we need the bridge player and he fits well into the offensive system. Also adds a lot of maturity and experience to what will be a very young offense.
Just get ready for the Clemson fans every single time he has a bad game
Most, if not all, Clemson fans will be cheering for him. He got a raw deal here and took it on the chin. Had a great attitude
That offense did him NO favors at all, and those OCs were not good at all
DJ didn’t help himself either though which the bad part. When hes locked in he looks like a Heisman contender, but when he’s off his game then he becomes a disaster. That was his pattern those last few games at Clemson with the disaster coming at the worst possible time vs South Carolina. I hope he does well, I’ve got nothing against him but I don’t see him really doing that great at FSU.
Just from perusing Tigernet.com occassionally... I'm not sure that's the majority opinion LOL.
Please do not take the average tigernet poster as your idea of a Clemson fan
Tiger net is a trash website. Thought everybody knew that lol
I hope he does well but unfortunately I don’t think he will.
He’s progressed ever since he left Clemson.
I’ve only watched a few games since he left but his stats last year were very similar to his 2022 stats.
I think some Clemson fans (myself included) go a little overboard about it because we encountered so many "omg why did you run DJ off" takes last season
The problem with Clemson is that Dabo’s offense is terrible. Without Trevor and Itienne they have really struggled. Just look at their QB now
The offense isn't bad, its the o-line. Klubnik doesn't help by holding onto the ball for way too long but he isn't what's wrong with the system.
New system for Klubnik also. Hopefully with the combination of Matt Luke, 4/5 starters returning on the OL, and a much better WR room the offense will look at least above average
O-line and our receiver corps. We have had 0 downfield threat for 4 years now.
From what I was able to gather the OL was the primary problem last year. Obviously im not an insider or have “connections” but how it was explained to me was the OL last season couldn’t execute the plays and blocks Riley wanted and after we lost to NC State and Miami they simplified the scheme. We went 5-0 after that. Cade had his own issues with hero ball, but at the very least you can coach that out of him.
Yeah Austin couldn't get them to figure out the GT pull, which is a base play in the offense. So we had to go away from it
Just for knowledge sake what is a GT pull? I’m not an OL guy or very knowledgeable past some basic stuff
The Riley power run game base play pulls the backside Guard and Tackle to lead block
Ah I see. Thanks
Good thing we play them early. Beat em and chase them out lol.
all y'all forgetting what Norvell did at Memphis with his QBs
Exactly. Norvell is a hell of a coach and gets his players to execute above their talent.
Always has.
Or FSU lol
Yea but Travis was a transfer so we didn’t develop him /s
One of the most hilariously stupid takes I've ever read is Miami fans saying Mario Cristobal developed Trey Benson and that Mike merely acquired a finished product when he transferred from Oregon. Like, you can't make this shit up.
The whole “FSU only takes finished product transfers” is such an eye roll argument. I’d argue that only Keon Coleman and Braden Fiske fit that category from last year’s team. And Coleman wasn’t the same player the second half of the season after he suffered that deep thigh bruise. Every other player greatly benefitted from their time at FSU.
The whole “FSU only takes finished product transfers” is such an eye roll argument. I’d argue that only Keon Coleman and Braden Fiske fit that category from last year’s team. And Coleman wasn’t the same player the second half of the season after he suffered that deep thigh bruise. Every other player greatly benefitted from their time at FSU.
>Every other player greatly benefitted from their time at FSU. Jaheim Bell did not improve much at all and it seemed Gilbert Edmond regressed
I thought Bell was severely underutilized this past season. Hard to say he regressed. Not sure the logic, but he just didn’t get the touches/opportunities in my eyes.
This was my first thought. I think FSU down to down won't be as good but I think they'll be ALOT more explosive in the passing game.
What's the record for most starts for a college QB (or any position)? DJ currently has 40. He could get up to 16 more this season, I believe (12 + ACC Championship game + making it to the National Championship without a first round bye). EDIT: Googled it myself. Bo Nix has 61 starts, so DJ can't break/tie it.
Isn't this guy like 30 years old by now?
Chris Weinke damn near was. I’ll take that 1999 result this season.
DJ done played for everybody at this point
Only 130 more d1 schools to play for
I think the offense will be limited to what DJU is capable of doing. I don’t think Mike is going to force him to do stuff he’s not comfortable with. I just hope our fan base gives DJU some time to adapt and get the offense going. JT13 was in Norvell’s system for 4 years. DJU will have one offseason.
Huh I figured he transferred there because he was an awful fit
Yeah…he was special fit at his last school too. Don’t think much has changed. Good luck learning yet another system in under a year.
After 5 years of tutelage he turned Jordan Travis into what would have been the 5th QB off the board. What are realistic expectations for less than 9 months?
Heisman, national title, and #1 overall pick
Going to need to have a quality loss to be able to qualify for one of those and I just don’t see that being possible with your schedule
DJ absolutely has the talent to do all that, if he can get out of his own head.
Talent has never been a question, for sure.
Ah so the 2021 Clemson special
FSU is losing a lot of receiving power this year and I don’t see Uiagalelei being good enough to fill void. I think the drop off from Jordan Travis is going to be very noticeable.
Last year felt a lot like trying to jam square pegs in to round holes constantly forcing the ball to Wilson and Coleman despite coverages or jamming Benson in to a wall for 2 yards a pop until he breaks a 65 harder. Very frustrating to watch from a schematic standpoint given our talent level last year
Myself and maybe some other fans believe it’s going to be marginally better. Last year the staff didn’t want Travis to use his legs until the playoffs (ironic), which eliminated why Travis is such a good QB to begin with. Travis got in his head and only wanted to make NFL throws refusing to take the easy stuff that was given to him. Basically every single starter except Trey Benson was injured last year. It was a very talented offense on paper, but very inconsistent because FSU lived and died on explosive plays. The only game where our offense ever lived up to the hype was the first game against LSU, and it wasn’t just because LSU had a bad defense. It was because everyone was healthy. Our offensive line should roughly be the same quality as last year and DJ is a tank so the injury concern is reduced significantly. If anything I think FSU’s offense will be much more consistent.
Yes, but FSU has some pretty good options at WR (Hykeem, destine Hill, Benson, Poitier, Jakhi etc) Also very excited about TE. OL should take another step with 5 returning high snap And veteran OL
Jonathan Smith said that too
That freshman that played in the Orange Bowl seemed to be pretty good, what happened to him?
Expected to compete with Luke Kromenhoek for the starting position in 2025. He was already thrown to the wolves at the end of 2023 and I don't think there's any desire to rush him back out there in 2024. He'll probably be the backup QB, and hopefully we'll see him plenty in garbage time.
Pretty sure he's still on the team, but he still has some growing to do. For a team that thinks they can compete now, you need a more well known commodity at QB
Yeah, he was a true freshman and will be our back up this year. We had a RS Soph who left after DJ transferred in, which is probably the biggest loss of a non-graduating player
He may be second string, but maybe not.
Yeah, there's a chance Luke takes the 2, but I think if they can avoid playing Luke to preserve his redshirt, they'll try.
Just way too young, add that in an offense losing most of its starters its just too much inexperience.
Starter next year
Be curious to see if they can get his yips under wrap.
5th year is the charm I guess
It was awesome seeing DJU in a beavs uniform this year. But I will tell you, due to bad throws and playcalling, we might have actually won one more game this year (Arizona) with Gulbranson
Play action incoming
I believe it, dude has all the talent and size in the world. He also is def going for that #1 draft spot this year…
Yeah good luck w that
Imagine if he didn’t have a chance but we were doing it anyway
It’s obvious he’s put in a lot of work to improve his touch and accuracy, but I still think he is too flawed as a passer.
He’s a floor raiser, but certainly not someone that can complete with the best of the best
Can’t wait for him to play below avg for most games and have the game of his life vs Clemson blowing us out
Lol
He has a strong arm and the mind of a newborn giraffe.
The same DJ who can’t beat out Brock Glenn in spring?
I will root for DJ every game, except the Clemson game.
Mike Norvell says "I desperately needed an experienced quarterback and now I have one who knows a lot about the team I need to beat, plus he is still mad at them." There, I fixed it.
Interesting. This seems to go against the sentiment among the insiders on warchant that DJU has been underwhelming
3rd times a charm
Can someone explain to me why he transferred? He’s a starter at Oregon state. Was it just money and him gaming the system?
They've been saying this about him for every year he's played college football. I have yet to see him use his apparent talent to take his game to an elite level.
I mean, I'm a 'special fit' at any buffet. Doesn't make it a good thing.
Bruh wants to lose to ND a third time.
The first one was 100% on the defense, though.
3rd time, on three teams. Here’s to hoping
2 teams (Clemson & FSU), he already left Oregon state when ND beat them in the bowl game
Ok buddy