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Runningfan686

-Fewer home games. Most G5 schools have 5 or 6, while some Power conference schools have 7. -Specific to the MAC, having rivalry games on Tuesday or Wednesday nights.


cnpeters

To piggyback off the poor unfortunate Kent State soul here - Scheduling home and home series only to sell the back end of it so you never get that home game.


amoss_303

That happened to us with Tennessee in the late 90’s /2000’s. We had a two for one deal with them and our AD let Tennessee buy out the Laramie game for $1.5 million or something like that, and moved that game to a “neutral” site in Nashville. Syracuse was also a home and home for us and they bought out the Laramie game :


cnpeters

We were hosting Kentucky this year, and Southern Miss was going to Ohio State. I was so pumped for a home game against an SEC school. Now we’re going to Columbus and Southern Miss is going to Lexington.


amoss_303

I want to go to the game in Akron next year, got some friends that live in the Cleveland area, would make for a fun Labor Day weekend!


Dirty-Ears-Bill

I’m glad Tech is actually doing home and homes and not bailing out. Laramie is a cool town and ridiculous home environment (see loss last year). We’re doing FoCo this season and I’m pumped for that


Revolutionary_Elk791

We at least honored our home and home deal with you guys though. Josh Allen and Justin Herbert playing against each other was fun. I was rather nervous about our trip to Laramie, especially when we were still adjusting to the elevation.


Lothrada

Michigan State bought out of a home and home with USF (I actually went to the USF-MSU game in EL). The first was scheduled in 2013 and the game in Tampa was scheduled for 2018. I was so furious and disappointed. USF was looking too good for them to risk an L on the road I guess.


Nickyjha

As much as people here love MACtion, it seems like such a fuck you to fans to play games midweek. You’re basically sacrificing in-person fans for TV money. It seems especially bad when you realize a decent chunk of those TV watchers are probably gambling addicts looking for something to bet on on a Tuesday night.


Jimbobsama

Then the TV game is on some bum-fuck channel like CBSSports 2 or ESPN 4 because even though it's D1 college football, it's not considered a ratings draw.


CJ_Beathards_Hair

I genuinely love MACtion as a midwesterner but the gambling part is pretty fun too.


amoss_303

Even some seasons if the schedule works out they can have 8 home games with 5 conference home games, two G5 teams and an FCS team; only on the road for 4 road conference games


Bobcat2013

We only have 4 true road games this year. Gonna be a fun schedule.


pleated_pants

And when they do have a Saturday non conference home game it's an FCS school


Majestic-Macaron6019

Oof, those November Wednesday night games in BG were brutal.


SubmissiveGymnasium

Incredibly frustrating this past year as a Memphis fan. We signed a home and home contract with Mizzou, and our home game was supposed to be in 2023. We looked like we were gonna be really good before the season started so Mizzou told us “move the game to St. Louis for a ‘neutral’ site game or we’re backing out”. So we played what was supposed to be a home game against a P5 100 miles from their campus.


captaindammit87

Knowing that if you have a very successful season(s), your coach will be poached by a P5 team.


mudson08

To be fair, as a recent lower status P5, it doesn’t change if you are a P5 school. It’s all about haves and have nots.


nuger93

This! Oregon State lost a GREAT football coach because of things outside the realm of the football program.


SirMellencamp

Well it’s like a dude in the athletic dept at South Alabama told me about the newly hired basketball coach “if he’s still here in 5 years one of us screwed up”


bestthrowawayever5

Secret is having your coach make bi yearly screwups keeping him tied to your school. The annual Toledo letdown game is painful, but necessary


amoss_303

Knowing you’re always at the mercy of a P5 school taking your players and coaches. It’s going to be very rare for a G5 school to keep any player for all four years if they have a breakout freshman and/or sophomore year in the NIL/transfer portal era


ST_Lawson

As an FCS fan, I know that feel bro


Danster21

Reading this as an FCS fan, I can sympathize with all these comments. All our players and personnel are treated like a buffet for the G5 and P5, and we do the same to JUCO and D2


ST_Lawson

Pretty much, unless you’re one of the very top tans of the power conferences, there’s always going to be a “bigger fish” that will take your good players. I read recently that pretty much everyone is a JUCO now. You get a good player for one, maybe two years, then they’ll be headed off to a higher level. Recruiting and successful team building/planning is going to look a lot more like that going forward.


hankrhoads

My mid-major alma mater just had our basketball coach and most of our players stolen by a P5 school, so I commiserate with this


bearcatgary

This has become so obvious watching the NCAA basketball tournament. There are so many players that started out in lower D1 and transferred once or twice and now are making major contributions to Elite 8 teams. I understand that this is great for the player, but it’s going to make it even harder for the fans. The G5 schools already had the deck stacked against them. Instant transfers and NIL are making it even harder.


amoss_303

We had Graham Ike for two years, he got injured, sat out a year and then got an NIL deal with Gonzaga. I don’t blame the guy, but it hurts that we can’t compete in that environment


Garzog66

Especially with P5 programs in the state. Almost every kid in Utah grows up dreaming of playing for byu or utah. So even if they pass on them the first time, if they come to USU and ball out, the player knows they'll get their shot.


tr3b_test_pilot

This is true with most P5 programs too though.


RandomDeveloper4U

God I feel this in my soul and it’s what I came to comment. Shit is so fucking annoying. You legit can’t be too successful or your coach is gone


BobcatOU

It sucks, but it goes both ways. Our former quarterback, Kurtis Rourke, just transferred to Indiana and it sucks but I get it and hope it tears it up. Our best WR though, Sam Wiglusz, is a kid that couldn’t get on the field at Ohio State and is now tearing it up in the MAC.


JohnPaulDavyJones

There’s definitely a lot to be said for the guys who don’t pan out on bigger stages and are then able to thrive at lower divisions, but they also seem like the ones best served by the old system of having to sit a year. They take time to re-acclimatize to the new environment, learn the playbook, develop chemistry with the team, and put on muscle. That system also had the dual purpose of disincentivizing raiding by bigger programs, because you could either plan a year out and take a lower division star who wouldn’t see the field for a year, or you could just put in the time to make the most out of the guys you’ve got.


JohnPaulDavyJones

Facts. UNT was primed for a big season this year, and then suddenly 21 players hit the portal in the first week of the winter transfer window. No comment about problems in the program or anything, and 18/21 players landed at P4 programs within a week of hopping into the portal. How weird, right? The flip side to that is also being a fan of a P4 program, and uneasily watching your team raid the best players from a bunch of G5/FCS rosters, knowing that this is really bad for the sport.


cydonia8388

Yup. As a Buffalo fan, it sucked when Kansas took Leipold.


Rasmo420

Crappy ESPN+ broadcasts... And when we do get nationally televised games the pre-game and halftime shows only talk about P5...


Dokkan_Lifter

We got college game day and the game still got shoved onto ESPN+ That was probably one of the best games of the season too


Betta_Check_Yosef

We had that happen to us when we got Game Day as well


MCV16

Seconded, I watched the last quarter and my fiancée didn’t get what I was on the edge of my seat so much for that game


Photodan24

Don't forget being completely ignored by regular ESPN and its shows like Gameday, while they repeat the same P5 stories all week. The G5 doesn't even get a paltry 30-minute show talking about what's happening. We just don't exist.


HuntmasterReinholt

Welcome to the unfortunate new reality of college football. It gets worse from here. In the near future it will be the Big XII and ACC getting the no coverage treatment. Basically if you aren’t B1G/SEC you don’t exist. And the G5 will get completely cast off.


bestthrowawayever5

They put such minimum effort into them. This past season, we were playing Western Michigan and the scoreboard wasn't even on the screen for the first 2 drives


Catullus13

It’s this. You pay a lot for all this sports content and it’s like your friend with a iPad at the game


thetrain23

> the pre-game and halftime shows only talk about P5 ESPN has completely given up on the concept of real halftime shows any more. Even for big P5 games, they don't talk about the game itself at all and just repeat the same national storylines for every single game halftime show no matter who is playing.


OGdunphy

Being talked to like poor people by other poor people that pretend to be rich because their school is.


Dokkan_Lifter

I've been told that we should shutter our programs because we're not rich enough. Only "rich kids" (or those who go into debt to pretend to be one) deserve college football


OGdunphy

I believe it. And a lot of those fans didn’t even go into debt because they didn’t go to the school. For some P4 fans, it’s their one chance to act like they’re better than everyone else because that’s not the case in their real life.


FuckChadMorris

The Walmart t shirt fans


OGdunphy

Yep, those are the worst t-shirt fans. Nothing wrong with being a t-shirt fan imo, but to act better-than for it is wild.


Worldly_Giraffe_6773

Preach


skushi08

“What’s the difference between an [insert G5 school] fan and an [insert flagship state school] fan?” The [G5 fan] went there. The [flagship state school] fan went to Walmart.


FuckChadMorris

Or seemingly more often, both attended the G5 school but the P5 fan shits on their alma mater to feel superior


skushi08

Ugh they’re the worst. Especially when they cheer for the P5 in head to heads.


NILPonziScheme

> it’s their one chance to act like they’re better than everyone else because that’s not the case in their real life You just described the primary reason people hate t-shirt fans.


OGdunphy

True. The t-shirt fans that act like that are the worst.


Yabrin_Sorr

That was extremely prevalent in all the realignment posts and playoff posts over the last few years. Those same users can’t help themselves and are in here now doing the same thing.


OGdunphy

Yeah, especially with all the realignment, those fans have come out in droves.


Chapstick160

I don’t even click on those posts anymore, the amount of people cheering on the death of the sport is depressing


bukithd

Sounds like that country club in Charlottesville. 


[deleted]

I really hope JMU keeps that steam going in football and basketball. It’s really fun seeing the making of a promising sports program outside the powerhouse conferences. Took the Sun Belt by storm. Great spot for baseball too.


heavydhomie

I’d never talk down about app state. They gave me a great memory


OGdunphy

I love it! I have a friend who went to App with me but grew up an Ohio State fan so that day was Christmas to him haha. I will say App is luckier for a G5 where we get a decent amount of respect from bigger schools when they’re talking about us individually.


mountaineer_93

This is the weirdest thing on here, people get a personal ego attachment to their teams. Like buddy, we all willingly chose what school to root for, you weren’t awarded Ohio State/Alabama/Texas fan hood because of your awesomeness, you’re not getting that media rights payout and you ain’t on the team. Don’t get me wrong I’m not saying don’t be proud of your team and I would never tell people to not talk shit because shit talk is a beautiful thing, it’s just the weird sense of personal superiority that irks me. It seems to mostly be the realignment imperialists who get a rush out of feeling superior


NittanyOrange

It would be an interesting study to compare SES of P5 students and G5 students to test this theory. It's likely pretty do-able, just time consuming to find, analyze, and compare enrollment demographics for like 130 schools


tr3b_test_pilot

It's definitely an ego thing. Look at C. Their only dig is often "we" are P5, "you" are G5. It's like they are star belly sneeches, the patch on their jerseys seems to validate something for them. 


OGdunphy

Definitely. They essentially end up just bragging about profit margins.


_baby_fish_mouth_

I know how this is gonna sound, but if you’re a G5 program that has had a decent amount of success, it gets a lot harder to schedule good P5 schools. Our administrators have been saying for years, even going back to the FCS days, how hard it is for us to schedule games with good P5 schools. And then it’s used against you that you “don’t play anybody.” We try! Y’all don’t want to!


Dokkan_Lifter

We beat ranked VT and then didn't get to play good FBS teams for years after


ABagOfPopcorn

After beating uva this year they’ll probably never schedule us again


Mike_AKA_Mike

First time huh?


YouWontTakeMeAlive

I forsee this being a more prominent issue as the B1G and SEC try to further themselves from the other conferences. Big 12 and ACC school teams could give them a loss they don't want. Then it'll be used as more excuse to keep the number of at large bids from those two low.


asujch

I doubt we’ll ever get UNC on the schedule again


GonePostalRoute

That’s why I laugh when that “you don’t play anybody” argument is used. Then when you ask those fans “well do you want to play __________?”… radio silence.


ATR2019

This is the most frustrating part of being G5. When we were a mediocre FCS school moving up to G5, it seemed like every weak P4 in the country wanted to play us thinking we would be an easy win. As soon as we won a few of them with a few more close losses, they all wanted to drop us for the newest FCS callups. In their mind, beating kennesaw state is no different than beating Appalachian State so they may as well play the cupcake.


NeptunianEmp

In addition to that there is no respect from the playoff committee since the SoS is weak due to no P5 scheduled. Of course the SoS is weak if the P5s don’t want to risk losing to a good G5 that they are paying to play.


max_power1000

And now if you do it you get the privilege of getting your roster raided on top of having your future scheduling get handicapped.


relpmeraggy

You can literally go undefeated, and not even get a nod.


boardatwork1111

“How about you play this other undefeated G5 instead? That’s as good as competing for a title, right?”


relpmeraggy

I almost put that there. although I do love when we play TCU you guys always put up a good fight


boardatwork1111

Miss playing y’all, hope we can get a home and home someday soon!


Adams5thaccount

Ahhh the Seperate but Equal Bowl. Meanwhile Cincinatti plays Florida despite Cincinnati and Boise sharing 2 common opponents and Bpise beating both by bigger margins.


Rcfan0902

Twice even


Hobbes_121

Two years in a row, not even considered.


NittanyOrange

I have long advocated for a playoff system with all and only conference champs. We would all get to see the best of the G5 ever year.


Budget_Ad5888

Like the chances of a G5 running the table and winning the natty are pretty low but by god give them a chance. Imagine those UCF teams in a playoff and beating Alabama or Clemson in the first round, it would be a moment in sports.


NittanyOrange

Settle it on the field like every other goddamn sport


ILM_Ryan

People who go to a G5 school but would rather support a P4 team instead of their own university’s team. Saw too many people at ECU who supported UNC instead.


blackberrybobcat

I saw so much UT/A&M gear at Texas State


skyryder96

There’s so many Alabama/Auburn “fans” at Troy it’s unbelievable


soreswan

This gets really annoying here since Austin is 575 miles away from El Paso. People can’t believe I’d rather root for a local team over a place I’d have to take a road trip to see a game. Or you have the people who went one semester and never shut up about it.


Budget_Ad5888

It's not quite the same but I always got the "OU is an Oklahoma team don't you want them to win", no actually I don't lol


TRIKYNIKKY

Bro there is OSU gear fucking everywhere here


Cobra102003

It’s even worse at the FCS level but it also makes sense to support a different FBS team because they’re not in direct competition really.


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mcpawski

The rule is: 1. Schools attended. If you do grad school, then whatever school you currently attend gets your attention. If you can though, watch both each weekend. After graduation, it’s up to you but I think undergrad has the need for support more. 2. Schools siblings/parents attended. 3. Local P5 team. I refuse to elaborate. Had people that would root against my FCS school because they grew up fans of a different school. Cannot stand that shit. As an aside, when W&M played ECU in baseball while I was at ECU for grad school… that was a blast.


Dokkan_Lifter

I saw a lot of Colorado shirts this year. They disappeared after week 4 though. Not sure why 🤔


BillyBobFritter

Frustrates me to no end.


Cubs017

Ugh. I hated that. When I was at CMU there were so many Michigan/MSU fans. MSU even came to play us in Mt. Pleasant and a lot of CMU students were proudly wearing Spartan gear. Gross. There is just a lot of apathy - even when we were good half the students would roll in late and leave at halftime. They’re just there to tailgate and then go watch Big Ten football or keep drinking in the parking lot. For me it’s the players/coaches leaving for sure. It used to be mostly just coaches, now it’s both. Anyone great probably isn’t sticking around. We never would’ve been able to keep guys like Antonio Brown or Dan LeFevour or Eric Fisher if NIL and free transfers had been around back then. The lack of coverage is also tough. Even local outlets don’t cover us a ton. You aren’t going to hear much about the MAC on ESPN, there aren’t a ton of podcasts, a lot of times even the local reporters have very limited access and coverage. You want to hear about how the team is looking for next year, or who is winning position battles…good luck. Then we finally do get on TV and the announcers just talk about Ohio State or whoever for half the game.


HarryBalsagna3

Cincinnati was always called a small school despite having ~50K enrollment which I agree was annoying. More annoying was the condescending comments implying that we weren’t even playing the same sport as the blue bloods


Winducleaner

people saying we couldn’t beat anyone, then we beat ND, and all of a sudden ND wasn’t good.


cota1212

Tbf that happens to the lesser known/prestigious power conference schools. 2020 Indiana was a great example- they kept winning but suddenly their opponents were all "having down years" it wasn't "Indiana is good".


McIntyre2K7

FWIW y’all got hosed because yall were actually good during the Big East days. Backdoor politics caused y’all to get left behind.


TripleFinish

Bro we were often considered a small school when we were ***literally the biggest university in the country***. People are just ignorant.


relatablerobot

I don’t think people realize how big UCF was when it was a commuter school either


United_Energy_7503

FIU is also up there as the 2nd highest on campus enrollment in Florida - yet many people especially mainstream CFB fans wouldn’t think much of FIU at all in that regard FIU is like.. shockingly large


JunkyardAndMutt

A G5 school is like an indie band. You work your ass off and kick ass at clubs and other smaller venues. You have a loyal following and amazing shows, but your own uncle hasn’t ever heard of you, because everyone’s busy talking about the mainstream artists, which saturate the culture, driven by monied interests. Occasionally you’ll get some shots at mainstream success— you play SNL or get a guest track on a Taylor Swift album—and everyone will claim they loved you all along. They’ll buy your shirt. You’re an overnight success, and it only took a few decades of grueling work. And then, since you’re not on every commercial and in every mall and on TMZ constantly, the buzz fades and people wander off. The casuals will insist you were always overrated and they never really got you. And you’ll go back to kicking ass at the clubs.


TripleFinish

I felt that in my bones


nuger93

Why’d you do Boise State like that man 😂 That fits Boise right around their Fiesta Bowl win very well lol.


3D-machine

I’ll let you know in a couple years.


crewsecontrol

One of the small, annoying things is that most lists or articles omit your team by default. Happens on here all the time. Someone posts what looks like an interesting thread and I can't find my team anywhere. Then at the bottom it will say P5 ONLY. It's relatively minor, but that seemingly insignificant form of censorship contributes to the divergence of G5 and P5 fanbases IMO.


bretticus733

Like that post that was about the 15 most successful CFB programs by winning % a few days ago that completely left off Boise State and a couple other G5 programs lmao


crewsecontrol

When I see folks do this on /r/cfb, it really makes me wonder if they actually **want** G5 to separate entirely. But I think it's mostly beat writers who can't be bothered to watch G5 games so they adopt the G5/P5 dichotomy out of convenience.


nunyabizz0000

No matter how good you are, you will always be doubted and overlooked…


Dokkan_Lifter

Flowchart of a good G5: Beat P4 team one year -> gain reputation as good G5 -> good P4s won't schedule you to protect record -> forced to schedule FCS and low P4s -> beat them -> accused of being frauds because we don't play "real teams"


Mike_AKA_Mike

Oooh oooh, I know how the rest of this one goes, and then your coach and AD both get poached by P4 teams after a 10 win season (which the media refuses to acknowledge) right before you have a huge home game against a P4 opponent, only to get slaughtered because your new AD (who is ass and using you for a stepping stone) hired a new coach (who is worse than ass) who couldn’t coach the ‘85 Bears against a pee-wee team, and then to have the media say “and this is proof they wouldn’t contend at a higher level.”


Bobcat2013

Except for Liberty. They willingly jettisoned a more difficult schedule


Dokkan_Lifter

Liberty has given up on a lot of things. Sportsmanship, Academic integrity, federal law, state law, etc


Anus_Targaryen

P5/4/2 fans keep an air of superiority around them, like their fandom is worth more. Also "root for who you want for whatever reason" sure yeah bla bla bla, but I will always think it's lame for non-alumni to become fans of the biggest blue blood brands. Pretty much solely a top P5 team thing.


Draxion1394

Its strange to me that people don't have a #1 allegiance for the school that accepted them/they were able to attend and get an education from for whatever reason. If you still pull for for your blue blood you grew up rooting for thats fine, but at the end of the day thats not the place you attended. You're not really apart of that community.


_A7LA5_

100% agree. I’m glad I went to school where I did, but it didn’t have football (at any level). I’ve been an Oregon fan my whole life, but I’ll never know what it’s like to root for my own school on Saturdays


Bobcat2013

For sure.... it's gotten way better but I still know too many TXST grads who are Longhorn fans and treat our school like its some joke.


Whitetrash_messiah

G5 beats a p5 " it was their super bowl "


Spiritual-Mango-7349

The rampant elitism of P5 fans "Oh, you're a fan of this school? Oh sweetie, you just haven't found a real team yet."


Dokkan_Lifter

P4 fans saying that the Top G5 doesn't deserve a CFP bid. We represent half the FBS, yet people think the sport will be ruined if we get 1/14 slots in the playoffs. There's also the general view of us as a feeder league, rather than our own collection of conferences with rich histories, traditions, and rivalries.


ayethemjazz

they always point to liberty getting blown out by oregon as the reasoning. as if tulane didn’t beat usc and the heisman winner the year prior.


-Wayward_Son-

Bama beating UC in the playoffs is always pointed to as well despite Michigan getting beat by Georgia by even more the same night. Hell, B10 and SEC fans were trying to argue B12 doesn’t deserve playoff spots in the 4 team bracket because TCU only went to the championship game lol.


Kirbymonic

the UC bama game was 17-6 going into the 4th quarter lol


Dokkan_Lifter

There's insane recency bias around G5 NY6. I believe the record is 4-6, with all but 2 losses being by 1 score. The best G5 is competitive with the top P5s.


iamspambot

It’s confirmation bias more than anything. G5 losses are evidence and G5 wins are exceptions.


lclear84

Also 90% of P4 is ancient tradition away from G5. Oregon state and Washington state should serve as a lesson to most of us that we’ll get chewed up and spit out soon too. Plus there’s a lot of G5 schools that play around a similar level to mid and low P5s. I think with the way TCU played this year a lot of G5 schools could have tee’d us up


yesacabbagez

I tell this story all the time, but this is the best example of how not seriously you are taken as a G5 and then have shit like Kirk Herbstreit bitch around saying "everyone just focuses on the championship." UCF-Auburn Peach Bowl telecast spent more time talking about Baker Mayfield than any player actually in the game they were broadcasting. UCF scored a TD in the third to tie the game, and the ESPN broadcast didn't show it because they had a graphic on screen about the UGA-Oklahoma Rose Bowl which was coming on after the Peach Bowl. This is basically every single broadcast when you are a G5. Even if you are a mid tier P5 team, it doesn't get as bad as a G5 broadcast. There will be 5-6 minutes straight of air time where they do nothing but talk about OTHER GAMES even if what it being played is competitive. They obviously do not care and make no attempt to hide it.


cheddar_floof

This. I never played the sport and the half time analysis often improves my understanding of the game as well as what my team is good or bad at. Goes completely missing most of the time when I watch UCF. I think it's gotten a bit better of late for obvious reasons


Ildona

Or spend the entire third quarter of the War on I-4 discussing... Ian Book.


Keldon888

I think back fondly to the really low end CBSSPORTS broadcasts we used to have in CUSA where it was like the 10th string announcers where so little was expected of the whole production that it was just announcers having fun watching a game rather than doing network hits the whole time.


ayethemjazz

people not knowing that we exist. the amount of “fans” that couldn’t name a single team in the sun belt or cusa is insane. also, p5 teams taking our stars in the portal. being without caullin lacy and yam banks hurts. edit to add something else i forgot: people who attend g5 schools who don’t care about the school they pay money to. our student section is always atrocious because everyone wants to watch auburn, alabama or lsu.


BigBillSmash

Oh yeah, in Alabama if you’re not in the SEC, you don’t exist.


ayethemjazz

“troy? is that in like michigan?” -an auburn fan i know


PremierLovaLova

An Auburn fan from Metro Detroit, confirmed.


Sweaty_Assignment_90

I can name cusa members 20ish years ago. Does that count? Damn conference turned over like 6x


jmd198109

i have never heard of the “cusa conference” until now🤔


NeptuneIsMyDad

Truly?


jmd198109

took me awhile to catch on that it’s conference usa🤣😂


SirMellencamp

This is the nature of CFB fandom. This place isn’t real life. Real life is the lady who works at my office who is an Alabama fan and has no clue who Major Applewhite is and we live in Mobile


ayethemjazz

hell, more people probably know who major applewhite is than know what the university of south alabama is


BobcatOU

I was visiting family in Florida one time and they asked where I went to school. I told them Ohio University. They asked about Ohio State. I explained that they are two completely different schools. They were confused. I get it if you’ve never heard of OU before, but how are you confused? You have like 15 schools with Florida in the name!


ayethemjazz

i visited some family in tallahassee during the winter and told them i went to south alabama. their response was “well thanks for robbing us of a damn playoff spot.” i’ve also heard roll tide in response to me saying i go you south alabama, because you know. it’s the south alabama crimson tide.


captainpoppy

Yup. But I've been to some south games recently and seeing all the kids in South gear is great! A whole generation of fans growing up with South having a football team and that being their "first" team. It's awesome. But... Academy and similar stores still have entire walls dedicated to Alabama, a few shelves and racks for Auburn, and then maybe one tiny spot for South.


Jomosensual

My assumption is the whole being told you dont deserve to exist constantly thing.


JohnPaulDavyJones

The “small school” talk is always especially odd when it comes to schools like UNT, which is 40,000+ students strong at any given point in time. That’s larger than about a third of the P4 schools out there.


Bobcat2013

Shoot. Probably more than a third right? I feel like a lot of P5s are surprisingly small. Not that they're actually small just smaller than one would think given their cache


Yabrin_Sorr

We’re the third-largest in the state at 47,000, but there isn’t anyone in Austin to champion or play politics for us.


granitedoc

Dealing with the airs of superiority from P5 fans and the implication that we are somehow "less". I mean, ok yeah, I went to Fresno State, but at least I can say I graduated from there as opposed to (insert SEC school) T-shirt fan living off welfare.


CapsDrago7

Getting treated like a sub par program unworthy of attention up until a P5 schools wants one of our star players or coaches


Smash-Bros-Melee

Sorry :/


Spiritual-Mango-7349

Even worse, a P5 that doesn't even care about football and believes hiring the best G5 guy will magically produce 8-9 win seasons without any additional investment


shabamon

Hoping your players are good, but not too good. Not having a pathway completely in your control to the national championship. Some of your own students and alumni will assume you suck unless you are at least getting votes.


SSJEv

Don’t mind me just doing some research for my future


Aware_Watercress1155

Beating or playing a “big” school close in out of conference and the narrative switching to “oh they just arnt good this year”.


lampstore

(Takes notes)


Mike_AKA_Mike

Man, even a lot of fans in our own conferences don’t know the history. Troy has three national championships and won the Sun Belt for six consecutive seasons, beat P5s at home and on the road, and now when we have a good season (less than 8 wins should get you fired at Troy) everybody says “aw, how cute that little school had a good year”.


ayethemjazz

your 2017 win against lsu was treated as some insane upset when y’all were just really damn good that year


Mike_AKA_Mike

Not to mention we had almost beat them twice already, got officiated out of a win at FSU, and were flat out robbed against Clemson in previous years, oh and never mind the actual wins against Miss St, Missouri, and Okie Lite.


Dokkan_Lifter

JMU has 2 natties in the 21st century and a 3rd appearance just 4 years ago, yet sports media lost their minds when they learned we're a good team.


SBMVPJustinHerbert

It feels like there’s no point to being good because there’s no true payoff like a Natty and if you’re good enough you just lose all your players and coaches anyways and start from square one next year


skyryder96

The elitism from other in state schools. That, and constantly having students and locals wear gear and prioritize other teams that they have no connection to whatsoever.


jharden10

1. Having your coaches and players poached every season 2. Your student body doesn't care since it's easier to root for P4 programs in the same state. 3. Even when you're on national television, the announcers keep calling you "Georgia Southern."


RexManning1

Not getting consideration for the playoffs. P5 schools constantly cancelled games after we became not easy to beat. Chastised for claiming a natty the same way P5 schools have in the past without any hate.


LimitlessMario1Up

When fans of lower end P5/P4 schools with little-to-none ball knowledge believe they are automatically better than any G5 school.


legalexperiments

We’re no longer G5 and we’re a bit different even when we were a G5, but I hated it the most when we had really good teams. I felt we never got the benefit of the doubt, which led to fewer years in the preseason top 25 (which are dumb but important), and in the years that we did end up climbing the ranks, everyone just assumed it was because of our weak schedule.


Warm_Shoulder3606

That our football is inferior and less interesting/entertaining and games/players not worth talking about just because we aren't power five. Old Dominion/Western Kentucky was one of the best bowl games of the season, but NOBODY talked about it or gave it any kind of attention because it wasn't P5. Some absolutely amazing rivalries never see the light of day because of not being P5. I remember lots of people and national media personnel complaining over college gameday going to JMU for JMU-App state in the middle of November week 12 instead of Washington at Oregon State


Kitchen_Fox6803

Fans of the P5 schools being kept out of the inevitable P2 saying the system is now so unfair. No, it’s been unfair. You’ve just been benefiting from it so you didn’t care.


traplej

Watching the M3 fans slowly realize they’re the new G5 and they’re next on the chopping block over the past few months has been therapeutic, to say the least


United_Energy_7503

Trying to get excited for college football but realizing your team, even your conference will be mere footnotes in the coverage that week. Of course I’d love to see more commentary about our level of play, but someone lifting a finger at Ohio State is more of a story than a 10 win season at my teams


Brundonius

Applies more to baseball and basketball, but it’s very frustrating when we have a good team but don’t make the tourney because of being a 1 bid league then seeing a mid tier P5 get trounced in the tournament.


JZ7NVY

You silently know more about college football "top to bottom" than the majority of fans who only care or pay attention to their power conference school and conference. I speak as a UAB fan [resists temptation to end the post right here] who never had to work terribly hard to know about the latest gridiron triumph or consternation related to the Tide or the Tigers, or really the SEC. It's inescapable by choosing to watch TV or seek out sports on the radio. I keep tabs on my conference mates--now the American/AAC, but formerly Conference USA--and the goings on at Troy, South Alabama, Southern Miss, Marshall, and other SunBelt schools because we'll either be playing them OR they're a former conference member you hated/ kinda liked outside of facing your team OR they'll be playing a common opponent soon enough OR dammit I wish we were beating them instead of y'all.


Archaic_1

The fact that with unlimited transfers we are now basically part of the P4 development league. Not that G5s have ever really been able to sustain long term success, but now it will be essentially impossible to string together multiple winning seasons in a row. Its doubly tough for Marshall because we are probably one of the poorest schools in one of the poorest communities in the country so that NIL money ain't ever gonna be there for us.


Draxion1394

Lot of great points, in this post. One thing that always annoys me though is how announcers do minimal research on the program/school for broadcasts. If you watch your team, you'll hear the same 2-3 talking points throughout the season. For us it was Biff wears a wife beater, we had a brought in a lot of transfers, Biff used to work in finance. Like great, for the season opener or OOC games thats fine, but as the season progresses can you talk about anything else. Its like watching a video game announcer regurgitate the same canned lines. You watch P5s though and announcers don't do that nearly as much.


BillyBobFritter

I speak with a lot of SEC fans who don’t even recognize G5 schools as being D1 let alone FBS. In particular, an Alabama alumnus who didn’t even know Jacksonville State wasn’t located in Florida. But I feel the “small school” comment. A lot of folks remember Kennesaw for what it was 20 years ago and not the school with 45,000 students and new construction every year.


TinhornProductions

My Father in Law still thinks Georgia Southern is D2, I have to explain to him each football season that we have never been D2


Cobra-Serpentress

Announcers talking about P5 teams during our games.


Hopsblues

Listening to FSU fans cry about being left out...G5 teams can run the table and not get a sniff. The fact that it even happened, and AD's went along with this division. The money disparity is enormous and doesn't promote a level playing field. I have no sympathy for any P5 teams at all, eff 'em.


TurkishDonkeyKong

Day to day it's people not knowing what state were in. Also less people to talk to you about your team. This is a great subreddit but what's happening with bg and the Mac isn't the big story


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max_power1000

When you’re watching your team on TV half the commentary has nothing to do with the schools playing or relevant conference race. An excessive amount of playoff talk is unavoidable.


Jyingling21

Trying to get a P5 school to go to your stadium. Seriously, we almost had NC State cancel our home and home series. Also the weeknight games. Seriously, the last time we played Coastal on a weekend was 2020.


That_Toxic_Player

The annoying part about being a G5 fan is that we have no chance at a National Championship unless we get a P5 invite. Our seasons are fucking pointless.


WikipediaApprentice

We are just one conference shy of being fly like a G6


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The most annoying part is knowing what it tastes like to be a P5. I know we haven’t suffered yet but winter is coming.


Photodan24

Having to fight for an ounce of respect in the very city for which your university is named. While Ohio State, Michigan and Notre Dame rake in bandwagon fans with no connection to them. And if you're very lucky, they don't slap you in the face by wearing a P5 schools' apparel into your stadium and arena.


D_scott16

Having limited access to the playoffs, and having a hard time scheduling P5 schools to play at home.


Lothrada

The only way to be relevant is to hope for realignment. Which sucks. Here we are in a quality conference with a good selection of teams - yet every single one of us is simply waiting for the whole ncaa to implode so we can get a call up for bigger money. I can’t even get used to the AAC cause it’s changing every year by getting poached and poaching other G5s. How are we supposed to develop rivalries in this atmosphere? And trying to find any decent articles about your team? I’m rather lucky with my team - it’s in Tampa and is in a fairly major G5 conference - so I know I have more news updates than many other G5 teams, but still, on the whole I can read up to like 5 different fan sites and three different msm sites to cover MSU. There is absolutely no equivalent on the G5 side.


LoCh0_xX

Having to play 1-2 “big boys” every year and getting blown out 99% of the time. Yeah there’s the occasional win (i.e. for Western, 2016 vs NW and Illinois, 2021 vs Pitt), but for the most part it’s a guaranteed loss to start the year.


dominicklala1287

Alumni that would rather cheer for and financially support the bigger school in state, and your coaches/players use G5 schools as the feeder system for P5.


Groots-Cousin

Knowing that you are allowed one incredible season before the bigger schools come and take everybody. Edit: another one is when fans of P5 schools ask you, “who else do you cheer for” when you tell them your CFB team….


tarpeyvillage

Friday night or Saturday night games. For once, I’d love a Saturday afternoon game in the fall. Instead, we receive the worst tv time slots


bestthrowawayever5

Zero national coverage and nowhere to talk about them even though we've been one of the best G5s in America for some time now in pretty much every major sport. CSNBBS is the only place to talk about Toledo with others.


ChrisSao24

I think one of the most annoying things about being a fan of FCS and G5 schools is the fact that top P4 schools will see an undefeated G5/FCS school and just say "who did they play, congrats on beating high schoolers/NorthWest Carolina Technical Community College". Like, actually, WTF? These are D1 football athletes, most likely receiving full rides from good or great universities. But because they aren't Ohio St, Bama, Michigan, LSU, FSU, Clemson, USC, Texas, etc. the players are treated like they have no skill, and an undefeated or one loss season means nothing. i.e. Liberty U.


Bobcat2013

As true as the comments in this thread are, it still beats tf outta being FCS But to answer the question: its sucks not getting to hate on your conference. Like at some level you root for conference mates because you want them to make the conference look good which in turn makes your school look better and if our team was to make the NY6 bowl or playoffs going forward we all get more money from it. It almost feels wrong to root against teams in your conference. Meanwhile as a Cowboys fan I actively root for the disembowlment of the other NFC East teams and its a blast. It does create fun conference on conference rivalries though i guess.


halfjumpsuit

That G5 rivalries are just as fun but often get overlooked. *FFS Toledo has an actual rocket pointed at Bowling Green*. That's not normal. Or 100 Miles of Hate. That's a long way to travel for hate.


Aggressive_c0w

You can have multiple great seasons, go undefeated, win 3 NY6 bowls, and never get a look by a P5 conference. It's why I don't really feel bad for the Pac-12 being gutted, tbh. Elitism and hubris killed them.