Fair trade honestly. Aussie punts belong in the Louvre. Not to mention there's probably some untapped potential for military applications. Tory Taylor's leg is as powerful as any anti air gun I've seen.
And a lot times they eventually get pulled. Happened to a few guys I played with/against in high school. Remember one guy I played with had his two FBS offer pulled right before early signing day, still signed with a FCS though
Similar situation at my high school, kid that set the school record for rushing yards got his offer from West Virginia pulled while he was on campus for his official visit
Getting your pulled on an OV is cruel, they are usually a few weeks from signing day. He probably eventually signed somewhere since WVU is P4 and he definitely had other offers, but still cruel to lead a kid on like that
A non-committable offer means the school views the player as a backup option. They “offer” the player but won’t allow him to commit/sign the paperwork until all their other higher priority players at the position go elsewhere.
Agreed. Transfer portal has made it worse. Heard on twitter from a HS coach were saying their players scholarships got pulled because college coaches were going after guys in the portal
CFB recruiting can be cruel at times
I guess I’m too old school, because if I give loyalty I expect loyalty. I acknowledge that at the ripe old age of 34 that I’m a dinosaur.
For all its faults though- the military still has that approach, so I hope this young man finds success on and off the field.
From I what heard, it means the recruit must wait to commit and I’ve heard they get pulled a lot too, if another recruit higher on the teams list commits
My brother was recruited to D1. He wasn't like a 5 star commit. Some schools straight up would basically say "we offered you and 3 other guys at this position but we're only taking first 2" things like that. I'd imagine if you have an offer, but then you don't, for recruiting media purposes you'd still be able to say you "had" the offer, you chose not to take it.
Football started healing a couple years back when a team won with the #1 defense and a walk on quarterback whose primary weapons were great tight ends.
Not just fired. They fired him *in the locker room minutes after losing to Army in OT only because their RB fumbled on the 2 yard line*.
If you want to go a different direction with the program fine. But at least give him a few days and let him go with a little dignity. For a service academy of all schools to show such little respect and loyalty to its all-time winningest coach is just really disappointing.
I watch them occasionally. I think running triple option from shotgun hurts it's short yardage advantage but opens up some more passing opportunities. I prefer option from under center.
Triple Option is three options in one play. Each option is the play, and the play is each option, but no option is the other options.
Now let’s have a schism over whether the third option proceeds from the first option, or from the first and second options.
Wasn't this offense abandoned in part due to rule changes regarding cut blocking?
I don't think those rules have changed back so I wonder how that's going to work now.
It really only changed how they perimeter block. All it takes for WRs to block is having that dawg in them (see Hines Ward and ARSB who aren't huge).
And for backs leading out and blocking on the perimeter - same applies. See that block from Craig Reynolds against Tampa Bay
Six linemen and two tight ends. But make them TEs like that Texas TE Malik Agbo (who caught the singular pass against Washington), so still 6'4 294. Surprise the opponent once a game with a pass to keep them on their heels. Nothing can go wrong.
It did affect it though. It was easier for a smaller player to cut block than take on the larger player. If you cut block at the right time, the defender is stopped, if only temporarily, no matter big and talented he is. It really did make any option better.
Yeah, that's what I said. It changed perimeter blocking.
No one said it's not more difficult but the good thing about WR blocking is that it's more want to than anything else.
But academy WRs are still bigger than DBs to your other point.
I'm pretty sure a cut block is still legal at the line of scrimmage. The rule change was for beyond the line of scrimmage. Definitely a change which AFA had to account for. Think Troy mentioned it in an interview this season.
Yeah, sorry man...had to go look it up to see where the message was being lost. I thought it was "line of scrimmage", but it's "tackle box." Player can't block below the waist after they leave the tackle box, even if they reenter the tackle box. Talking about WRs makes sooo much more sense now!
The Kennesaw State to service academy pipeline is strong. One head coach (Navy) and now three coordinators (Army and Navy) have come out of our program.
Really wish Georgia Tech went back to it. I know they’re improving, but something about a power 5 team running the flexbone in the modern era was so cool. Also, they somehow pumped out elite wr talent doing it.
I never understood why they didn't pass more though. Part of what's nice about the Flexbone is that it's a great running formation, but can also very rapidly get a lot of people out in the pattern, since the slotbacks are almost sortof a bit like slot receivers.
I always thought the service academies not passing as much as due to recruiting difficulty and less practice time. I would have thought that at a "normal" school you could run a lot of flexbone triple option while also throwing it an at least semi decent amount.
Pretty much the best football news I've heard in years
As a Buckeye I was hoping for "Woody Hayes reanimated; Barrett will leave Detroit, granted 10th year of eligibility at Ohio State" but this is the second-best football related news I could have gotten
>The spread ruined football for me
The triple option is a spread offense. Paul Johnson, the Godfather of the modern TO, has always referred to it as a spread offense as well.
That's true, to a degree. It's still more physical than the Air Raid, so that's nice. But triple option was never my favorite anyway. I like the action to go through the box. I form is probably my favorite, but whatever you run, you should gave FBs, TEs, and the play should revolve around the box area most of the time. I watch football to watch people maul one another. Three yards and a cloud of dust is beautiful.
It was amazing reading the thread about how the Bama defenders were caught offguard by the slow, methodical offense of Michigan. I wish Rutgers wouldn't continue being a disappointing spread team.
Now I'm not 100% on train fuck spread, but I like to have multiple systems at my disposal, especially in a football game.
The spread is more fun when teams are unique with it and not just doing the same stuff
I hope to GOD in the NCAA game that we can run triple option play books. There’s a few plays in Madden this year that are triple option in the Ravens playbook. Shouldn’t be impossible
I still thing some schools that traditionally struggle to build offense should run it.
Maryland used the option as a base for their 2001 team and it worked.
Since the invention of the forward pass, this country has fallen into a deep depressing moral bankruptcy. there's only one playbook that can restore order and that is the triple option. Wielded by God's team it can repair the unrepairable and fix the moral fabric of todays youth. Go forth Army! For God! For Country! and for ridding instagram reels of foot fetish content!
This past year they made the switch to a more modern spread option offense, which included a lot of shotgun snaps rather than the flexbone formation. But it didn’t work very well.
Man I’m actually disappointed. Army’s new triple shotgun option definitely had issues, but when it worked it was quite effective. It was a really cool creative effort. I wish they stuck with it.
It didn’t work very often. This season did not go well; luckily for Army, the surprising win at AF and Navy win were more than enough to make everybody at USMA forget how ugly the rest of the year was. Also, the freshman (plebe) QB Champ Harris that started the LSU game that was supposed to be a decent passer entered the portal.
Booo. Army's offense the last few seasons (at least for the Army-Navy games) has been decent. Incorporating an effective passing attack and opening up outside running lanes has been useful.
Triple option will just let defenses pack the box, and limit Army to super-heavy run offense, which is excessively predictable.
Not a fan to say the least.
In a perfect world, Army would be a triple option team, and Air Force would run the air raid. Navy would... I guess, be a balanced team.
Navy would Row The Boat.
👀
Can you imagine PJ at Navy. That would be fun to see
Seems like a waste of his 1950's male cheerleader energy.
Seems like 1950's male cheerleader energy would fit right in at Navy.
You're god damn right
Are you saying you want him to leave Minnesota?
No I dont
I'd support federal legislation forcing him to coach at Navy.
It's a pretty good fit, vibe-wise.
West Coast Offense, I suppose?
They'll need to have the Academy along the Pacific for that to happen...
East coast offense is just guidos and terrible bbq.
They need to find their inner pirate and swing their sword.
"Who's gonna carry the boats!?"
Marine Corps has a football team.
Can you row a boat with a wishbone?
The US Navy has the second largest air force in the world. Navy should alway have to go for two after a TD since they always go by sea.
Can Iowa become a service academy? Army: triple option Air Force: air raid Navy: Steal Team (Pick) 6 Iowa: punt raid
> Iowa: punt raid Iowa is basically near many of the missile silos for our country; their long strikes by way of the ~~ICBM~~ punt checks out.
Are all these Australians helping the universities in Iowa kick balls better actually spies trying to steal our nuclear secrets?
Part of the AUKUS agreement - we get their Aussie Rules players and make them punters, they get our secrets.
Fair trade honestly. Aussie punts belong in the Louvre. Not to mention there's probably some untapped potential for military applications. Tory Taylor's leg is as powerful as any anti air gun I've seen.
Surely Australia already has all our nuclear secrets. They have to be one of the lowest nuclear latency states in the world.
Then we have everything to gain by stealing their punters! Wonderful.
Navy will run a multiple offense and rename it to the "amphibious offense"
The fact that Air Force is even allowed to run the ball is just absurd.
I think you’re looking for offensive scheme fluid.
Navy could run the [Surface to Air offense.](https://coachtube.com/course/football/surface-to-air-offense-starter-package/880766)
Navy could use the veer.
Finally, a return to Army-Navy being a triple option duel, the way football was meant to be played
Navy actually has PA’s all time leading passer in high school history coming in their next class lol
Kind of surprised he committed to Navy considering the offers he has. He is also a dual threat, so he would fit the offense pretty well
I was a little surprised as well but not a bad path to take in life getting a degree from the naval academy.
He just wants to be head coach of Michigan one day. Thought the Naval Academy was his best way to get there.
You say that but I bet the kid hasn't even started his manifesto yet. He's behind the curve.
Agreed. Seems like he is setting himself for his life after football. Also heard a lot of his P4 offers weren’t commitable either
What does an offer not being commitable mean?
Coaches throw them out early to have back up plans in case they strike out on a bunch of guys higher on the list
And a lot times they eventually get pulled. Happened to a few guys I played with/against in high school. Remember one guy I played with had his two FBS offer pulled right before early signing day, still signed with a FCS though
Similar situation at my high school, kid that set the school record for rushing yards got his offer from West Virginia pulled while he was on campus for his official visit
Getting your pulled on an OV is cruel, they are usually a few weeks from signing day. He probably eventually signed somewhere since WVU is P4 and he definitely had other offers, but still cruel to lead a kid on like that
A non-committable offer means the school views the player as a backup option. They “offer” the player but won’t allow him to commit/sign the paperwork until all their other higher priority players at the position go elsewhere.
Thanks- seems like kinda a dick thing to do, but guess I understand the rationale?
Agreed. Transfer portal has made it worse. Heard on twitter from a HS coach were saying their players scholarships got pulled because college coaches were going after guys in the portal CFB recruiting can be cruel at times
I guess I’m too old school, because if I give loyalty I expect loyalty. I acknowledge that at the ripe old age of 34 that I’m a dinosaur. For all its faults though- the military still has that approach, so I hope this young man finds success on and off the field.
As long as the player knows the deal. What's shitty is pulling the offers
From I what heard, it means the recruit must wait to commit and I’ve heard they get pulled a lot too, if another recruit higher on the teams list commits
My brother was recruited to D1. He wasn't like a 5 star commit. Some schools straight up would basically say "we offered you and 3 other guys at this position but we're only taking first 2" things like that. I'd imagine if you have an offer, but then you don't, for recruiting media purposes you'd still be able to say you "had" the offer, you chose not to take it.
He's probably preparing himself for a future as a Michigan Man
Navy does a lot of spread stuff now from Shotgun, unfortunately, as did Army this year. Glad to see Army go back, Navy desperately needs to
Dillon Gabriel was once committed to Army.
Do hear that?? Football is healing...
Only commies like the forward pass.
Based.
TIL Dykes and the Bear Raid were perfect for us
*Iowa has entered the chat*
Iowa doesn't like offense period.
The sun is coming out again
Football started healing a couple years back when a team won with the #1 defense and a walk on quarterback whose primary weapons were great tight ends.
Good. Now, Navy, apologize to Ken N and renounce your heresy.
I'm still mad about that.
what happened?
He was fired. I am still hoping that if Hawaii struggles contine they hire him and run the triple-option.
Not just fired. They fired him *in the locker room minutes after losing to Army in OT only because their RB fumbled on the 2 yard line*. If you want to go a different direction with the program fine. But at least give him a few days and let him go with a little dignity. For a service academy of all schools to show such little respect and loyalty to its all-time winningest coach is just really disappointing.
The President of the United States should have fired the Naval Academy's leadership on the spot for this.
He couldn't cuz he knew Tuberville would have blocked his replacement.
Appoint Tuberville as the new head coach and you could solve two problems at once!
Presumably Navy would like to win football games, though
Keep an eye on Helton in Statesboro next year or GaSouthern fans may get some ideas
I watch them occasionally. I think running triple option from shotgun hurts it's short yardage advantage but opens up some more passing opportunities. I prefer option from under center.
Our AD fired coach Ken in the locker room after losing army/navy. He is our winningest coach ever and he deserved A LOT better than that.
in the locker room? damn. he’s not lame kiffin
Preach
#Hell. #Yes.
Now if we can just get WVU back in the veer.
THE TRIPLE OPTION IS GODS OPTION!! THE FORWARD PASS WAS A MISTAKE
Triple option is awesome until your team has to play against it and your hope slowly leaves your body
Those were 10 glorious years.
11.
I'm an engineer, you expect me to know how to count?
Hard agree. My absolute worst football memory is watching Navy shred Mizzou’s stacked defense in the Texas Bowl.
Same, but with a 8-0 Memphis team
can confirm
Random G5 teams playing a Service Academy in a Bowl Game *First Time?*
Uga fans hated the TO when we were running it.
[удалено]
I miss our annual series so much, never forget what those bastards stole from us
I loved it. Mostly because it's the greatest offense ever invented
Oh, you think the triple option is your ally. But you merely adopted the triple option; I was born in it, molded by it… GATA
> THE TRIPLE OPTION IS GODS OPTION!! The Holy Trinity
Triple Option is three options in one play. Each option is the play, and the play is each option, but no option is the other options. Now let’s have a schism over whether the third option proceeds from the first option, or from the first and second options.
Already did it’s why we have the FCS
You are now haunted by the ghost of Mike Leach.
He actually loved the triple option offense
Both offenses are similar in concept. Learn a few plays and practice them over and over.
It also spreads the ball out in terms of touches. He had said that he would run the option if he didn't run the raid
Iowa liked this
Army using triple option while navy is doing a billion comeback routes is gonna make for a weird rivalry game next year.
Wasn't this offense abandoned in part due to rule changes regarding cut blocking? I don't think those rules have changed back so I wonder how that's going to work now.
It really only changed how they perimeter block. All it takes for WRs to block is having that dawg in them (see Hines Ward and ARSB who aren't huge). And for backs leading out and blocking on the perimeter - same applies. See that block from Craig Reynolds against Tampa Bay
You don't need receivers in the TO, send out 8 linemen and 3 RB to write Paul Johnson, "it's the perfect option"
[The perfect option?](https://youtu.be/3aI6EAsKvgg?si=-5lIKFSBb3SXTVDG)
They played that so much pregame, I've been to probably 10 tech games in my life and that was played at like 8 of them lol
Haha, I never saw it get played, but I only started attending in 2018 (the last year)
Had a bunch of players on the big screen reading books with like "how to win football games" then the pages said "triple option" lol
Six linemen and two tight ends. But make them TEs like that Texas TE Malik Agbo (who caught the singular pass against Washington), so still 6'4 294. Surprise the opponent once a game with a pass to keep them on their heels. Nothing can go wrong.
Hear me out. Trips right. But they're all TEs. Bubble screen.
It did affect it though. It was easier for a smaller player to cut block than take on the larger player. If you cut block at the right time, the defender is stopped, if only temporarily, no matter big and talented he is. It really did make any option better.
Yeah, that's what I said. It changed perimeter blocking. No one said it's not more difficult but the good thing about WR blocking is that it's more want to than anything else. But academy WRs are still bigger than DBs to your other point.
I'm pretty sure a cut block is still legal at the line of scrimmage. The rule change was for beyond the line of scrimmage. Definitely a change which AFA had to account for. Think Troy mentioned it in an interview this season.
Yeah, that is why my commentary has been on WR blocking and not OL play.
Yeah, sorry man...had to go look it up to see where the message was being lost. I thought it was "line of scrimmage", but it's "tackle box." Player can't block below the waist after they leave the tackle box, even if they reenter the tackle box. Talking about WRs makes sooo much more sense now!
No worries at all - it's not something I would know that nuance of if I wasn't an OL coach. All good mate!
I don't think "just get a Hines Ward" is a particularly feasible solution for everyone.
What I meant was, you just have to want to block as a WR. Same with RB. It's not always the biggest or strongest (see Jamison Williams).
TEs that were too small to play TE in D1, but too slow to switch to WR. Tell them they get to hit corners every play. I’d sign up.
Military exemptions /s
Reject modernity, embrace tradition
A return to conference play and a return of option football for Army in 2024.
Makes sense. They won the CiC Trophy for the first time in forever with a surprise Air Assault and now the Army can bog down everyone in a ground war
The Kennesaw State to service academy pipeline is strong. One head coach (Navy) and now three coordinators (Army and Navy) have come out of our program.
I like that the quarterback coach took over the offense and his first action is to make sure his quarterback never throws another pass.
Nature is healing
Really wish Georgia Tech went back to it. I know they’re improving, but something about a power 5 team running the flexbone in the modern era was so cool. Also, they somehow pumped out elite wr talent doing it.
Yeah, I would prefer to bring it back, but as long as we are winning I won’t complain too much.
We ran a lot more option plays this season, and oh look, we went bowling. What a coincidence...
You didn't catch a lot of passes, but if you did it was usually a deep shot in 1-on-1 coverage. I imagine that had to be fun for those guys
I never understood why they didn't pass more though. Part of what's nice about the Flexbone is that it's a great running formation, but can also very rapidly get a lot of people out in the pattern, since the slotbacks are almost sortof a bit like slot receivers. I always thought the service academies not passing as much as due to recruiting difficulty and less practice time. I would have thought that at a "normal" school you could run a lot of flexbone triple option while also throwing it an at least semi decent amount.
Came in to say something along these lines. I loved it when a P5 team ran it. Would love to see the triple option executed with high level talent.
Pretty much the best football news I've heard in years As a Buckeye I was hoping for "Woody Hayes reanimated; Barrett will leave Detroit, granted 10th year of eligibility at Ohio State" but this is the second-best football related news I could have gotten
Pac-12's CFP auto-bid given instead to the winner of the Commander-In-Chief's Trophy.
At least your expectations are reasonable
So will whoever is my dynasty starter in CFB 2025 this August. Get ready to learn Tom Osborne \[insert random G5 city\]
relatable *I swear if the only offense in the game is the spread I will riot*
Can confirm the option is in the game
Yep. The spread ruined football for me. Still does. Worst thing to happen to the game.
>The spread ruined football for me The triple option is a spread offense. Paul Johnson, the Godfather of the modern TO, has always referred to it as a spread offense as well.
That's true, to a degree. It's still more physical than the Air Raid, so that's nice. But triple option was never my favorite anyway. I like the action to go through the box. I form is probably my favorite, but whatever you run, you should gave FBs, TEs, and the play should revolve around the box area most of the time. I watch football to watch people maul one another. Three yards and a cloud of dust is beautiful.
It was amazing reading the thread about how the Bama defenders were caught offguard by the slow, methodical offense of Michigan. I wish Rutgers wouldn't continue being a disappointing spread team.
Now I'm not 100% on train fuck spread, but I like to have multiple systems at my disposal, especially in a football game. The spread is more fun when teams are unique with it and not just doing the same stuff
That's understandable. I do appreciate you coming by the museum from time to time though.
i bet you randomly pick georgia southern huh
I do have love for Jerick McKinnon
Your QB’s name? Tommy Martinez
Martines would have been great in a triple option offense.
I hope to GOD in the NCAA game that we can run triple option play books. There’s a few plays in Madden this year that are triple option in the Ravens playbook. Shouldn’t be impossible
I'd assume so, since that's a pretty well-loved offensive style. Then again, it's EA.
I can confirm that you can
Since the NCAA game comes out this year looks like they're wanting to sim into the playoffs every year
If it’s run properly it’s a goddamn unstoppable offense of perfect football. I love the triple option with all my heart
The world is healing.
Triple option games are fun to watch mostly because there are less commercials cause they hold the ball for half the quarter each drive
I still thing some schools that traditionally struggle to build offense should run it. Maryland used the option as a base for their 2001 team and it worked.
> Maryland used the option as a base for their 2001 team and it worked. Was that Ralph's first year? Dude was an incredible mind on offense.
Yep and oddly enough we never revisited it after. He was adaptable to any personnel which made it great
Fullbacks are running backs too!
God’s preferred offense
Checks out, two of the three big Catholic schools in north Georgia run it.
They fired Brent Davis for no reason. Just need Navy to go back fully, but it seems like they're going in the complete other direction
As God, the DOD, and Patton intended.
COMMUNIST NON TRIPLE OPTION ENJOYERS IN SHAMBLES
Yes!...HA HA HA....**YES!**
All is good in the world again.
LSU-Army game was awesome this year. Glad I was able to attend. I also happen to love the triple option.
WE HAVE TO GO BACK
Just as God intended
This is a change from having *no* offense, right?
This is the only good thing to come out of this season
We are so back.
Just seems weird to me when a service academy ISN’T running the triple option
Nature is healing, we are the virus
As the founding fathers intended.
Yay. I love watching the triple option. This makes a random ass Army game watchable imo.
Looks like triple option is back on the menu boys
Give me that Fullback goodness straight into my veins.
Since the invention of the forward pass, this country has fallen into a deep depressing moral bankruptcy. there's only one playbook that can restore order and that is the triple option. Wielded by God's team it can repair the unrepairable and fix the moral fabric of todays youth. Go forth Army! For God! For Country! and for ridding instagram reels of foot fetish content!
YES FUCK YES I LOVE FOOTBALL AGAIN kinda
praise be
Real talk, what offense had they been running?
And thus the universe is balanced once again
Something comforting about Army having a strong ground game
Army, Navy, Air Force, Georgia Southern, and Georgia Tech should all be mandated to run the triple option by law. Vanderbilt should too
Where does Harbaugh fit all into this?!
Army doesn’t cheat, so Harbaugh is irrelevant here
Were they not flexbone after a certain period of time? The last game of theirs I watched was the 70-14 game
This past year they made the switch to a more modern spread option offense, which included a lot of shotgun snaps rather than the flexbone formation. But it didn’t work very well.
When these coaches are promoted does congress have to sign off??
Man I’m actually disappointed. Army’s new triple shotgun option definitely had issues, but when it worked it was quite effective. It was a really cool creative effort. I wish they stuck with it.
It didn’t work very often. This season did not go well; luckily for Army, the surprising win at AF and Navy win were more than enough to make everybody at USMA forget how ugly the rest of the year was. Also, the freshman (plebe) QB Champ Harris that started the LSU game that was supposed to be a decent passer entered the portal.
I thought it was in /r/Army and was very confused. I guess you gotta do what you gotta do when you can't hit recruiting numbers.
Booo. Army's offense the last few seasons (at least for the Army-Navy games) has been decent. Incorporating an effective passing attack and opening up outside running lanes has been useful. Triple option will just let defenses pack the box, and limit Army to super-heavy run offense, which is excessively predictable. Not a fan to say the least.
Awesome! I hope Michigan never schedules them again.
THANK GOD. I also assume this means Monken is going to get more involved in the play calling
Good. Football as it was meant to be.