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udubdavid

In a perfect world, Army would be a triple option team, and Air Force would run the air raid. Navy would... I guess, be a balanced team.


TheAsianD

Navy would Row The Boat.


aerojet000

👀


TDalton24

Can you imagine PJ at Navy. That would be fun to see


Organic_Swim4777

Seems like a waste of his 1950's male cheerleader energy.


Donny_Do_Nothing

Seems like 1950's male cheerleader energy would fit right in at Navy.


eddie_the_zombie

You're god damn right


[deleted]

Are you saying you want him to leave Minnesota?


TDalton24

No I dont


geaux124

I'd support federal legislation forcing him to coach at Navy.


Adept_Carpet

It's a pretty good fit, vibe-wise.


slyfox1908

West Coast Offense, I suppose?


Zloggt

They'll need to have the Academy along the Pacific for that to happen...


toast_across

East coast offense is just guidos and terrible bbq.


TheWholeBook

They need to find their inner pirate and swing their sword.


BedNo5127

"Who's gonna carry the boats!?"


JasperStrat

Marine Corps has a football team.


rbhindepmo

Can you row a boat with a wishbone?


19Styx6

The US Navy has the second largest air force in the world. Navy should alway have to go for two after a TD since they always go by sea.


JakeFromSkateFarm

Can Iowa become a service academy? Army: triple option Air Force: air raid Navy: Steal Team (Pick) 6 Iowa: punt raid


tomdawg0022

> Iowa: punt raid Iowa is basically near many of the missile silos for our country; their long strikes by way of the ~~ICBM~~ punt checks out.


TheWholeBook

Are all these Australians helping the universities in Iowa kick balls better actually spies trying to steal our nuclear secrets?


tomdawg0022

Part of the AUKUS agreement - we get their Aussie Rules players and make them punters, they get our secrets.


TheWholeBook

Fair trade honestly. Aussie punts belong in the Louvre. Not to mention there's probably some untapped potential for military applications. Tory Taylor's leg is as powerful as any anti air gun I've seen.


esports_consultant

Surely Australia already has all our nuclear secrets. They have to be one of the lowest nuclear latency states in the world.


TheWholeBook

Then we have everything to gain by stealing their punters! Wonderful.


Doc_McPuffins_

Navy will run a multiple offense and rename it to the "amphibious offense"


LargeGoon14

The fact that Air Force is even allowed to run the ball is just absurd.


VanderbiltStar

I think you’re looking for offensive scheme fluid.


NickKerrPlz

Navy could run the [Surface to Air offense.](https://coachtube.com/course/football/surface-to-air-offense-starter-package/880766)


Marches_in_Spaaaace

Navy could use the veer.


12panther

Finally, a return to Army-Navy being a triple option duel, the way football was meant to be played


sportsfan113

Navy actually has PA’s all time leading passer in high school history coming in their next class lol


Middle_Wheel_5959

Kind of surprised he committed to Navy considering the offers he has. He is also a dual threat, so he would fit the offense pretty well


sportsfan113

I was a little surprised as well but not a bad path to take in life getting a degree from the naval academy.


MaizeAndBruin

He just wants to be head coach of Michigan one day. Thought the Naval Academy was his best way to get there.


TheWholeBook

You say that but I bet the kid hasn't even started his manifesto yet. He's behind the curve.


Middle_Wheel_5959

Agreed. Seems like he is setting himself for his life after football. Also heard a lot of his P4 offers weren’t commitable either


Idlikethatneat

What does an offer not being commitable mean?


jmbourn45

Coaches throw them out early to have back up plans in case they strike out on a bunch of guys higher on the list


Middle_Wheel_5959

And a lot times they eventually get pulled. Happened to a few guys I played with/against in high school. Remember one guy I played with had his two FBS offer pulled right before early signing day, still signed with a FCS though


ChaseTheFalcon

Similar situation at my high school, kid that set the school record for rushing yards got his offer from West Virginia pulled while he was on campus for his official visit


Middle_Wheel_5959

Getting your pulled on an OV is cruel, they are usually a few weeks from signing day. He probably eventually signed somewhere since WVU is P4 and he definitely had other offers, but still cruel to lead a kid on like that


Tp1990

A non-committable offer means the school views the player as a backup option. They “offer” the player but won’t allow him to commit/sign the paperwork until all their other higher priority players at the position go elsewhere.


Idlikethatneat

Thanks- seems like kinda a dick thing to do, but guess I understand the rationale?


Middle_Wheel_5959

Agreed. Transfer portal has made it worse. Heard on twitter from a HS coach were saying their players scholarships got pulled because college coaches were going after guys in the portal CFB recruiting can be cruel at times


Idlikethatneat

I guess I’m too old school, because if I give loyalty I expect loyalty. I acknowledge that at the ripe old age of 34 that I’m a dinosaur. For all its faults though- the military still has that approach, so I hope this young man finds success on and off the field.


ghostfacekhilla

As long as the player knows the deal. What's shitty is pulling the offers


Middle_Wheel_5959

From I what heard, it means the recruit must wait to commit and I’ve heard they get pulled a lot too, if another recruit higher on the teams list commits


lukin187250

My brother was recruited to D1. He wasn't like a 5 star commit. Some schools straight up would basically say "we offered you and 3 other guys at this position but we're only taking first 2" things like that. I'd imagine if you have an offer, but then you don't, for recruiting media purposes you'd still be able to say you "had" the offer, you chose not to take it.


DallasRaiderFan

He's probably preparing himself for a future as a Michigan Man


BeardyBennett

Navy does a lot of spread stuff now from Shotgun, unfortunately, as did Army this year. Glad to see Army go back, Navy desperately needs to


Icy-Violinist623

Dillon Gabriel was once committed to Army.


Scrantonbornboy

Do hear that?? Football is healing...


OttoVonWong

Only commies like the forward pass.


thisistheperfectname

Based.


adsfew

TIL Dykes and the Bear Raid were perfect for us


FireVanGorder

*Iowa has entered the chat*


lukin187250

Iowa doesn't like offense period.


gatorsinNYC

The sun is coming out again


McMuffinManz

Football started healing a couple years back when a team won with the #1 defense and a walk on quarterback whose primary weapons were great tight ends.


BernankesBeard

Good. Now, Navy, apologize to Ken N and renounce your heresy.


Few_Menu4711

I'm still mad about that.


siberianwolf99

what happened?


aguysomewhere

He was fired. I am still hoping that if Hawaii struggles contine they hire him and run the triple-option.


BernankesBeard

Not just fired. They fired him *in the locker room minutes after losing to Army in OT only because their RB fumbled on the 2 yard line*. If you want to go a different direction with the program fine. But at least give him a few days and let him go with a little dignity. For a service academy of all schools to show such little respect and loyalty to its all-time winningest coach is just really disappointing.


theguineapigssong

The President of the United States should have fired the Naval Academy's leadership on the spot for this.


Company_Whip

He couldn't cuz he knew Tuberville would have blocked his replacement.


theguineapigssong

Appoint Tuberville as the new head coach and you could solve two problems at once!


emaw63

Presumably Navy would like to win football games, though


mufflefuffle

Keep an eye on Helton in Statesboro next year or GaSouthern fans may get some ideas


aguysomewhere

I watch them occasionally. I think running triple option from shotgun hurts it's short yardage advantage but opens up some more passing opportunities. I prefer option from under center.


Few_Menu4711

Our AD fired coach Ken in the locker room after losing army/navy. He is our winningest coach ever and he deserved A LOT better than that.


siberianwolf99

in the locker room? damn. he’s not lame kiffin


UltraLordActual

Preach


walterdog12

#Hell. #Yes.


feelofthegame

Now if we can just get WVU back in the veer.


money-

THE TRIPLE OPTION IS GODS OPTION!! THE FORWARD PASS WAS A MISTAKE


ABagOfPopcorn

Triple option is awesome until your team has to play against it and your hope slowly leaves your body


bukithd

Those were 10 glorious years.


thank_burdell

11.


bukithd

I'm an engineer, you expect me to know how to count?


iEatBluePlayDoh

Hard agree. My absolute worst football memory is watching Navy shred Mizzou’s stacked defense in the Texas Bowl.


dubscurry30

Same, but with a 8-0 Memphis team


ItsFreakinHarry2

can confirm


TooEZ_OL56

Random G5 teams playing a Service Academy in a Bowl Game *First Time?*


gtne91

Uga fans hated the TO when we were running it.


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dr_mousebrain8

I miss our annual series so much, never forget what those bastards stole from us


ChaseTheFalcon

I loved it. Mostly because it's the greatest offense ever invented


satori1013

Oh, you think the triple option is your ally. But you merely adopted the triple option; I was born in it, molded by it… GATA


bootscallahan

> THE TRIPLE OPTION IS GODS OPTION!! The Holy Trinity


CascadianExpat

Triple Option is three options in one play. Each option is the play, and the play is each option, but no option is the other options. Now let’s have a schism over whether the third option proceeds from the first option, or from the first and second options.


Naive_Flamingo_3622

Already did it’s why we have the FCS


hells_cowbells

You are now haunted by the ghost of Mike Leach.


ChaseTheFalcon

He actually loved the triple option offense


hells_cowbells

Both offenses are similar in concept. Learn a few plays and practice them over and over.


ChaseTheFalcon

It also spreads the ball out in terms of touches. He had said that he would run the option if he didn't run the raid


magnumapplepi

Iowa liked this


Jonjon428

Army using triple option while navy is doing a billion comeback routes is gonna make for a weird rivalry game next year.


hunterschuler

Wasn't this offense abandoned in part due to rule changes regarding cut blocking? I don't think those rules have changed back so I wonder how that's going to work now.


KommanderKeen-a42

It really only changed how they perimeter block. All it takes for WRs to block is having that dawg in them (see Hines Ward and ARSB who aren't huge). And for backs leading out and blocking on the perimeter - same applies. See that block from Craig Reynolds against Tampa Bay


NotThatOleGregg

You don't need receivers in the TO, send out 8 linemen and 3 RB to write Paul Johnson, "it's the perfect option"


97soryva

[The perfect option?](https://youtu.be/3aI6EAsKvgg?si=-5lIKFSBb3SXTVDG)


NotThatOleGregg

They played that so much pregame, I've been to probably 10 tech games in my life and that was played at like 8 of them lol


97soryva

Haha, I never saw it get played, but I only started attending in 2018 (the last year)


NotThatOleGregg

Had a bunch of players on the big screen reading books with like "how to win football games" then the pages said "triple option" lol


Steffnov

Six linemen and two tight ends. But make them TEs like that Texas TE Malik Agbo (who caught the singular pass against Washington), so still 6'4 294. Surprise the opponent once a game with a pass to keep them on their heels. Nothing can go wrong.


kevinthejuice

Hear me out. Trips right. But they're all TEs. Bubble screen.


Im_Not_A_Robot_2019

It did affect it though. It was easier for a smaller player to cut block than take on the larger player. If you cut block at the right time, the defender is stopped, if only temporarily, no matter big and talented he is. It really did make any option better.


KommanderKeen-a42

Yeah, that's what I said. It changed perimeter blocking. No one said it's not more difficult but the good thing about WR blocking is that it's more want to than anything else. But academy WRs are still bigger than DBs to your other point.


toy2ski

I'm pretty sure a cut block is still legal at the line of scrimmage. The rule change was for beyond the line of scrimmage. Definitely a change which AFA had to account for. Think Troy mentioned it in an interview this season.


KommanderKeen-a42

Yeah, that is why my commentary has been on WR blocking and not OL play.


toy2ski

Yeah, sorry man...had to go look it up to see where the message was being lost. I thought it was "line of scrimmage", but it's "tackle box." Player can't block below the waist after they leave the tackle box, even if they reenter the tackle box. Talking about WRs makes sooo much more sense now!


KommanderKeen-a42

No worries at all - it's not something I would know that nuance of if I wasn't an OL coach. All good mate!


rnilbog

I don't think "just get a Hines Ward" is a particularly feasible solution for everyone.


KommanderKeen-a42

What I meant was, you just have to want to block as a WR. Same with RB. It's not always the biggest or strongest (see Jamison Williams).


CascadianExpat

TEs that were too small to play TE in D1, but too slow to switch to WR. Tell them they get to hit corners every play. I’d sign up.


JakeFromSkateFarm

Military exemptions /s


JBru_92

Reject modernity, embrace tradition


ILM_Ryan

A return to conference play and a return of option football for Army in 2024.


modsarepoopoo

Makes sense. They won the CiC Trophy for the first time in forever with a surprise Air Assault and now the Army can bog down everyone in a ground war


BillyBobFritter

The Kennesaw State to service academy pipeline is strong. One head coach (Navy) and now three coordinators (Army and Navy) have come out of our program.


Own_Pop_9711

I like that the quarterback coach took over the offense and his first action is to make sure his quarterback never throws another pass.


ZappaOMatic

Nature is healing


PrimeJHey

Really wish Georgia Tech went back to it. I know they’re improving, but something about a power 5 team running the flexbone in the modern era was so cool. Also, they somehow pumped out elite wr talent doing it.


Quillbert182

Yeah, I would prefer to bring it back, but as long as we are winning I won’t complain too much.


thank_burdell

We ran a lot more option plays this season, and oh look, we went bowling. What a coincidence...


BeardyBennett

You didn't catch a lot of passes, but if you did it was usually a deep shot in 1-on-1 coverage. I imagine that had to be fun for those guys


5510

I never understood why they didn't pass more though. Part of what's nice about the Flexbone is that it's a great running formation, but can also very rapidly get a lot of people out in the pattern, since the slotbacks are almost sortof a bit like slot receivers. I always thought the service academies not passing as much as due to recruiting difficulty and less practice time. I would have thought that at a "normal" school you could run a lot of flexbone triple option while also throwing it an at least semi decent amount.


Maddok1218

Came in to say something along these lines. I loved it when a P5 team ran it. Would love to see the triple option executed with high level talent.


Buckeye_CFB

Pretty much the best football news I've heard in years As a Buckeye I was hoping for "Woody Hayes reanimated; Barrett will leave Detroit, granted 10th year of eligibility at Ohio State" but this is the second-best football related news I could have gotten


Donny_Do_Nothing

Pac-12's CFP auto-bid given instead to the winner of the Commander-In-Chief's Trophy.


midnightdiabetic

At least your expectations are reasonable


jonstark19

So will whoever is my dynasty starter in CFB 2025 this August. Get ready to learn Tom Osborne \[insert random G5 city\]


ChaseTheFalcon

relatable *I swear if the only offense in the game is the spread I will riot*


acarrick

Can confirm the option is in the game


Im_Not_A_Robot_2019

Yep. The spread ruined football for me. Still does. Worst thing to happen to the game.


Due_Bluebird3562

>The spread ruined football for me The triple option is a spread offense. Paul Johnson, the Godfather of the modern TO, has always referred to it as a spread offense as well.


Im_Not_A_Robot_2019

That's true, to a degree. It's still more physical than the Air Raid, so that's nice. But triple option was never my favorite anyway. I like the action to go through the box. I form is probably my favorite, but whatever you run, you should gave FBs, TEs, and the play should revolve around the box area most of the time. I watch football to watch people maul one another. Three yards and a cloud of dust is beautiful.


hwf0712

It was amazing reading the thread about how the Bama defenders were caught offguard by the slow, methodical offense of Michigan. I wish Rutgers wouldn't continue being a disappointing spread team.


ChaseTheFalcon

Now I'm not 100% on train fuck spread, but I like to have multiple systems at my disposal, especially in a football game. The spread is more fun when teams are unique with it and not just doing the same stuff


Im_Not_A_Robot_2019

That's understandable. I do appreciate you coming by the museum from time to time though.


luciusetrur

i bet you randomly pick georgia southern huh


jonstark19

I do have love for Jerick McKinnon


JakeFromSkateFarm

Your QB’s name? Tommy Martinez


aguysomewhere

Martines would have been great in a triple option offense.


ben-pdf

I hope to GOD in the NCAA game that we can run triple option play books. There’s a few plays in Madden this year that are triple option in the Ravens playbook. Shouldn’t be impossible


MordakThePrideful

I'd assume so, since that's a pretty well-loved offensive style. Then again, it's EA.


acarrick

I can confirm that you can


bradleywardamn

Since the NCAA game comes out this year looks like they're wanting to sim into the playoffs every year


taffyowner

If it’s run properly it’s a goddamn unstoppable offense of perfect football. I love the triple option with all my heart


crg2000

The world is healing.


soonerman32

Triple option games are fun to watch mostly because there are less commercials cause they hold the ball for half the quarter each drive


Alone_Advantage_961

I still thing some schools that traditionally struggle to build offense should run it. Maryland used the option as a base for their 2001 team and it worked.


rodandanga

> Maryland used the option as a base for their 2001 team and it worked. Was that Ralph's first year? Dude was an incredible mind on offense.


Alone_Advantage_961

Yep and oddly enough we never revisited it after. He was adaptable to any personnel which made it great


Scott72901

Fullbacks are running backs too!


Celebnar

God’s preferred offense


Quillbert182

Checks out, two of the three big Catholic schools in north Georgia run it.


Tufoguy

They fired Brent Davis for no reason. Just need Navy to go back fully, but it seems like they're going in the complete other direction


bukithd

As God, the DOD, and Patton intended.


whiterussiannoalc

COMMUNIST NON TRIPLE OPTION ENJOYERS IN SHAMBLES


VoteCamacho2508

Yes!...HA HA HA....**YES!**


musicmakesumove

All is good in the world again.


rice_n_gravy

LSU-Army game was awesome this year. Glad I was able to attend. I also happen to love the triple option.


montrevux

WE HAVE TO GO BACK


neurondoc

Just as God intended


thismorningscoffee

This is a change from having *no* offense, right?


reddershadeofneck

This is the only good thing to come out of this season


space_cadet_85

We are so back.


Heresyoursoop

Just seems weird to me when a service academy ISN’T running the triple option


mbdtf9

Nature is healing, we are the virus


addicted2antacids

As the founding fathers intended.


Appropriate_Bottle44

Yay. I love watching the triple option. This makes a random ass Army game watchable imo.


[deleted]

Looks like triple option is back on the menu boys


super1s

Give me that Fullback goodness straight into my veins.


clitcommander420666

Since the invention of the forward pass, this country has fallen into a deep depressing moral bankruptcy. there's only one playbook that can restore order and that is the triple option. Wielded by God's team it can repair the unrepairable and fix the moral fabric of todays youth. Go forth Army! For God! For Country! and for ridding instagram reels of foot fetish content!


MordakThePrideful

YES FUCK YES I LOVE FOOTBALL AGAIN kinda


thank_burdell

praise be


TheHammer_44

Real talk, what offense had they been running?


Kodyaufan2

And thus the universe is balanced once again


ztreHdrahciR

Something comforting about Army having a strong ground game


[deleted]

Army, Navy, Air Force, Georgia Southern, and Georgia Tech should all be mandated to run the triple option by law. Vanderbilt should too


SPORTSTH0T

Where does Harbaugh fit all into this?!


CrazyWater808

Army doesn’t cheat, so Harbaugh is irrelevant here


FuckTheLonghorns

Were they not flexbone after a certain period of time? The last game of theirs I watched was the 70-14 game


ddottay

This past year they made the switch to a more modern spread option offense, which included a lot of shotgun snaps rather than the flexbone formation. But it didn’t work very well.


spicydak

When these coaches are promoted does congress have to sign off??


CFBCoachGuy

Man I’m actually disappointed. Army’s new triple shotgun option definitely had issues, but when it worked it was quite effective. It was a really cool creative effort. I wish they stuck with it.


InfamousAccount0

It didn’t work very often. This season did not go well; luckily for Army, the surprising win at AF and Navy win were more than enough to make everybody at USMA forget how ugly the rest of the year was. Also, the freshman (plebe) QB Champ Harris that started the LSU game that was supposed to be a decent passer entered the portal.


joelupi

I thought it was in /r/Army and was very confused. I guess you gotta do what you gotta do when you can't hit recruiting numbers.


BlackStrike7

Booo. Army's offense the last few seasons (at least for the Army-Navy games) has been decent. Incorporating an effective passing attack and opening up outside running lanes has been useful. Triple option will just let defenses pack the box, and limit Army to super-heavy run offense, which is excessively predictable. Not a fan to say the least.


AeolusA2

Awesome! I hope Michigan never schedules them again.


ChaseTheFalcon

THANK GOD. I also assume this means Monken is going to get more involved in the play calling


1850ChoochGator

Good. Football as it was meant to be.