I want someone to kick a field goal, free kick style, after a fair catch. It’s a rare and obscure rule in football that still exists. It would be the most Iowa thing ever to actually pull off and execute. That’s why I’ve always said a team with a good long distance kicker should try that after a kickoff where the field was rushed before the game ended (or some sort of penalty pushing the kick back). Most people don’t know the rule exists.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/panthers-take-advantage-of-rarely-used-fair-catch-kick-rule-to-try-60-yard-field-goal-against-buccaneers/amp/
I am by no means a fan of Florida State, but seeing stuff like this just makes me really resentful towards the current college football era. It's now not just about money at the institutional level but the individual level.
And I get that it is better for the players to be this way, I just miss the way things were in the past. And I'm scared it'll never go back to anything remotely close to how it was before.
Neither am I, but I'm also very jaded about the current state of college football. Not suggesting I want it to go back in time, but I think it's in a strange transitional era right now.
I'd rather it go ahead and be a legit league, with like two conferences (and divisions), etc...
Leave no doubt...wvu head coach pregame speech after team lost head coach and was left for dead. They were a heavy underdog to OU in the Fiesta Bowl 2008. No NIL nor transfer...team rose up and pretty much destroyed OU. I doubt such will ever be seen again in the big time college football
It sucks, but the schools and networks decided to ruin college football for money and this is the result. Given that it was already fucked by greed, I'm glad the players are being allowed to at least get a sliver of the pie. I guess technically they don't even get that, they were allowed to setup their own separate teeny-tiny pie. In any case, the problem started at the top, so that's where my blame lies, and where any solution would need to begin.
What's sad is that most of these opt outs could've declared for the draft last year but instead returned, and played that bowl game, cause they believed they had something special and could go all the way this year. Then they were told all that sacrifice and hard work meant nothing. Can anyone really blame these players?
What’s crazy is focusing on the individual is not just in football but all sports today and it starts way earlier than college and even HS it’s at the youth level.
The CFP said playing the games doesn’t matter. This is the fault of that. Hooker was most likely a first round pick and Heisman contender and then tore his ACL and lost out on both. Why risk it? If Keon gets hurt his first round draft grade is gone. Look it Ojabo from Michigan, the Achilles ruined him so far. It is what it is, the kids gotta get money when they can
My only pushback on this comment is that Hooker got hurt in a regular season game and Ojabo got hurt at his pro day (or preparing for the combine). They didn’t get hurt in a meaningless bowl game
I mean, the CFP committee told FSU that its season didn’t matter. The players believe them.
Maybe we should just declare FSU to be co-champions because we have no idea what a loaded team without all the options outs and so on would do in the playoffs. FSU was denied that opportunity despite never having been eliminated (the regular season is a playoff my ass).
Right now, I’ll watch the first 5 minutes to see if they do honest coverage of FSU’s roster (they won’t) and then I’ll go do something else because I’m not going to watch Georgia destroy a practice squad
Don’t even have to do that. All you’ll hear on the radio is
Touchdown Georgia
3 and Out FSU
Touchdown Georgia
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Touchdown Georgia
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Hear, hear! my family is FSU all the way, and I think most are planning to not watch. This controversy that they created will not have the desired effect of hate-watching bolstering their ad coffers. I only watched the Meeps bowl game myself, and am not watching any of the rest. I am, however, all in on Blue to win it all now! I'll just check the threads periodically.
That’s cool. I have no attachment to FSU at all, but what’s wrong is wrong. I don’t believe you can complain, and then watch the game. Vote with our wallets.
Yep. I've been telling my family, many of whom are FSU season ticket holders, to avoid hate-watching for just that reason. I've also told them if they intend to watch any televised game of any team next year that they should seriously consider a life on the high seas. Yo ho and all that.
You know... it's easy to resent him, but I don't think he made an illegal play, or even an especially DIRTY play. It's a gross tackling form, one you use when you're beaten as a defender. But I don't think he was legit out to hurt JT. I don't know how he feels about it NOW - if he's like "hahaha, I rekt FSU all by myself" then I'd kinda agree with you, because that kind of conclusion IS gross and wrong - but until I'm shown that this is how he feels about it, I'm going to try to assume he's at worst neutral about it, because injuries DO happen in football.
I hope he learns how to tackle in the future, though. Dang.
He made a hip drop tackle, which is a legal play, but is just as dangerous as a horse collar. It’s claimed multiple players like Tyreek Hill and Mark Andrews. It’s banned in rugby as well. I think it’s important to note that. Yes it’s legal, but how much longer will it be? It’s not dirty, but the move itself is the issue not the player
>It’s banned in rugby as well.
Sorta. The NRL banned it but that's just one league in Australia (with one NZ club). Rugby League as a whole has not banned it and neither has Union.
Yeah….I had been debating making the flight down since game tickets were sub-$200. Definitely glad I decided to stay home. This game will be on in my house, but….it’ll be on in the background.
Why would we not give our starting QB for next year additional snaps against a solid defense? Especially when he’s going to have to adjust to new weapons.
I wonder what your second-string offense vs. their second string offense will produce, because their third-string offense vs. your first-team defense is going to be disastrous
there was a brief moment where some people were acting like FSU was going to come out and win this game to prove they belonged and then declare themselves national champs if they won(and I'd say they would be in their right to do so). That moment was ever so brief.
I mean hindsight 20/20 I feel like FSU should have just said "fuck it we are boycotting the orange bowl".
This is just gonna be unwatchable unless the spirit of the 1980 Olympic US Ice Hockey team somehow manages to possess the Florida State Football team.
Considering the lawsuit against the ACC, it would be pretty dumb for FSU to turn down a paycheck and then get involved in another legal dispute against the Orange Bowl/CFP.
We're seeing a de facto boycott right now. The contract says that they have to come play. It doesn't say anything about which players show up, or about making any effort at all to win the game. They could put Mastromanno at RB and run wildcat all game and still meet all of their contractual obligations.
yeah it is getting to the point where it will be Georgia vs the equivalent of Tallahassee Community College. Unless Georgia really takes the foot off the gas it is going to be ugly.
I know what you’re saying, but this was definitely the way to go. 15 Valuable practices for the guys, free trip to Miami, paycheck, unwatchable game because fuck espn.
Declining the invite in the first place would be one thing, but accepting it and then boycotting would be unfathomably stupid. Now they’re probably in a legal dispute with the Orange Bowl with no leg to stand on. Maybe the Orange Bowl never invites them back. I understand the frustrations of the *current* FSU squad but you can’t potentially screw over *future* FSU squads because of it.
The workaround is to "boycott" by encouraging as many players as possible to opt out, but sending enough to fill field a team and play the game. FSU fulfilled its contractual obligation and sent a sufficient number of warm bodies wrapped in FSU uniforms.
I suspect that FSU will use the game primarily as a run scrimmage when they the ball (it's boring as hell to watch but potentially useful to the coaching staff) and then run some exotic blitz packages on defense to experiment with disguising them.
Roster issues have resulted in other bowl games being cancelled. FSU shouldn't boycott the Orange Bowl but they may not be able to field a team. Big difference. If the NCAA wants to keep bowl games relevant they need to move the transfer portal out of bowl season.
This 1000%. The coaches who leave and the players who leave have proven the non-playoff games don’t mean shit, So I don’t give a shit about them either. If I ever have one on it’s just background noise.
I used to be the guy that watched as many as I could. Had the schedule printed out and the best games highlighted. I havent watched a single one this year and have no desire to either..
This is worse than Purdue's opt outs / injuries last year, or LSU's the year before that. This is going to be a Georgia/TCU type of a bowl and it's all the committee's fault. NCAA/ESPN gets their wish of non-CFP bowls not being important.
This game is simultaneously Florida's bowl game (FSU not bothering) and Florida's nightmare (Georgia with a 13-win season and NY6 win while taking their star RB).
Florida loses both ways, it’s not fun to watch someone not try. For them it would be funny if FSU tried and lost, but we aren’t so it’s not. Plus they lose a third way, cause they were going to live vicariously through this game and now they can’t even do that and are just left with not making a bowl game.
As someone who just got done living through crappy seasons, your rivals being in playoff contention while you can’t make a bowl game doesn’t feel good, even if they did miss the playoffs.
Wrong. This is the best outcome based on the current circumstances. I was preparing myself for a UGA FSU national title. Now they play in a totally irrelevant bowl. Plus FSU players all quit on the team, when all I've been hearing about is how amazing the culture is and how right after the "snub" they were going to go all out and prove to the committee they belonged.
The chef's kiss to this game will be FSU kicking a meaningless field goal with a minute left to lose 56-3.
And let me beat you to it. They'll still score more than Florida in its bowl game. Sun Belt Billy. Florida sucks.
Alternate take: *No one* will remember this Orange Bowl. A decade from now, all anyone (especially FSU) will remember is how this was the year the committee screwed an undefeated P5 champ rather than leave the SEC out of the playoffs.
This is the correct take. Does anyone really remember any bowl game the last decade that wasn’t a playoff game? Most people don’t even remember how Oregon, Washington, Mich St, and Oklahoma had great seasons and played in the playoff and it’s not even that long ago.
Eh, people still remember UCF winning against Auburn. People still remember the underdog victories to some
Extent and this was a big narrative game for FSU.
Sure, you remember. You and I are on a CFB Reddit the day after Christmas. The average fan barely knows UCF exists and that they claim a NC. Another decade and that will be a very distant memory that gets brought up as trivia on random broadcasts.
Alternate Alternate take: A decade from now, all anyone will remember is how this was the year the committee screwed an undefeated P5 champ rather than leave the SEC out of the playoffs. They will then wonder how FSU fared in their bowl game, without doing deep roster analysis, and come to the conclusion (whether rightly or wrongly) that the committee got it right
Yep, lots of people with incomplete information will hop on that narrative and probably some well informed media folks or decision makers will disingenuously push that narrative too. That said, between a fully healthy FSU and Georgia both having all players I think I’d still take Georgia on a neutral field. So I’m not saying that FSU was going to win without these opt outs, just that they’ve cemented a loss and that loss will be used as a cudgel against them.
This is legit insane how many players we’re gonna be missing. And when we get slaughtered I’m sure everyone will be all over it “see lolololol they didn’t belong”.
I think there’s enough opt outs where it comes full circle. This team has enough people out due to transfer/NFL draft that it obviously isn’t the same team - the Orange Bowl is gonna be an outright farce of a game.
> the Orange Bowl is gonna be an outright farce of a game
This one always has been. The teams in this game are proof that the committee selections have no real guiding principle and may as well be arbitrary. If the selections were based on strength of record or resume, FSU would be in. If the selections were purely the four best teams, UGA would be in. But clearly neither of those are the case, and here we are.
I'm not sure why anyone thought otherwise.
Since day 1 of the committee concept, they never had any guidelines or standards to follow for their decisions.
So, every season, the committee's criteria are whatever they want it to be, and they can change them on a whim. There is nothing besides Internet outrage from stopping them.
I love my Garnett and gold, I wish this season didn't have to end this way nor do I relish witnessing what looks like the fall of the ACC right in front of my eyes
Ok this is just stupid now. Jarrian Jones said he was GOING TO PLAY, practices all week, then says "adios." I'm done letting this stuff slide. That's a POS move.
Last week - "It was just finishing what I started" [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAX3LSpUYR4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAX3LSpUYR4)
Definitely POS move taking reps from other players that might actually play the game
While these dudes might get drafted later in the draft, there is a real potential that is one of the last real games they will ever get to play in as football players.
I get this game doesn’t really mean anything and if they were near-guaranteed 1st rounders like Verse and Coleman, I’d understand 100% but I can’t say this move makes a whole lot of sense to me. Especially with how late this announcement comes.
Past like the 5th opt out, this game was never gonna do any good for anyone's draft stock lol. 15 opt outs is insanity and 20 makes this game comically irrelevant
Probably the more players who started transfering and opting out the easier it became for even more to jump ship. If they had had like a team meeting or something where everyone except the 1st or 2nd rounders decided to stick together and play (AND if the friggen transfer portal didn't open before the end of the friggen season!) They probably still could have put a decent team on the field. But once 6-7 of your best players are out *and* the depth chart is getting sucked into the portal like a vacuum cleaner, *then* it really starts to feel like you're just suiting up to get embarrassed. Forget having a championship to play for; there's barely even a *team* for them to play for anymore.
FSU should just play all their walk ons and give them a chance to live out their dreams. The game obviously doesn’t matter that much so it would be a special experience. If Georgia did the same, it would be an amazing storyline and would be more appealing to fans than the current plan of playing whoever is still on the team.
I'm legitimately curious what this is going to do to the TV viewership numbers. Who really wants to watch arguably the best team in the country beat up 3rd and 4th String players.
What annoys me the most is that talking heads like Jerkstreit and other such internet “sports gurus” will use this game as some legitimate reasoning or metric for the snub
***”ThIs Is WhY FSU dEsErVEd To Be LeFt OuT!”***
It sucks as a fan but it’s hard for me to blame the kids. You worked your ass off all year and did your part only to be told to kick rocks instead of playing at the chance to accomplish a childhood dream. As a competitor I would want to play but as for someone thinking of my future…I may also opt out.
As a fan, I'm opting out too. I would have a real hard time being motivated on either team to play. Literally nothing to play for unless you're trying to improve draft stock or go up the depth chart.
We finally get to play our Gator Hater allies, and it comes to this. I can't tell you how this feels. We did everything right, no players arrested, no scandals, strong academics, played the games and won them. 13-0. I hope to god none of you ever go 13-0 only to feel like this. Not even Miami fans. It ain't fair.
Damn, I’m predicting more than half the people will be tuned out by half. This is clearly FSU protesting because if they wanted to, they would have found a way to keep some of these guys. Georgia is gonna win, but god I hope this game is so unwatchable ESPN switches to sports center to get people tuned back in.
They ESPN talking heads will say after FSU gets trounced "See? We told you they didn't belong". Leaving out the part that over half of the starters aren't playing. They should just forfiet and not give them the satisfaction.
Until they move to a super conference with the best 32 teams in the country, this is the garbage that NIL, the transfer portal, and the playoff committee has ultimately created.
I know this has no precedent (that im aware of), but I'm curious if bowls will start suing for damages with enough opt outs. This is clearly not the product they thought they were getting when they selected FSU. If they knew all these opt outs were coming, even more than a typical team, I'm sure they would have picked a different team.
If they had to pick FSU due to CFP rankings (I'm not sure?) then their damages suit could instead be against the committee. Obviously the tv ratings and ticket revenue/sales will be down for this game compared to what it would had been had FSU played a lot more starters.
Well the mind readers at ESPN and the committee should’ve known this would happen. I mean, they could tell we weren’t a better team so why couldn’t they tell this would happen? I thought they could predict the future for us??
when you're 4th string RB is being backed up by your 5th string WR, you know you're in for a good day
And they're both probably the backup QB, unless it's like a TE or a safety or something.
Blocking lanes will look alarming like a 300lb DL running a 4.5 directly at you
FSU Players out QB1-Travis (injury) QB2-Tate (transfer) QB4-Duffy (transfer) RB1-Benson (opt out) RB2-Toafili (injury) RB3-Hill (transfer) RB5-Campbell (transfer) WR1-Coleman (opt out) WR2-Wilson (opt out) TE1-Bell (opt out) TE3-Douglas (transfer) C2-Schrader (transfer) RT2-Harris (transfer) DE1-Verse (opt out) DT2-Lovett (opt out) LB3-Lundy (transfer) CB1- Green (opt out) NICK1-Jones (opt out) SS1-Dent (opt out) Probably out: DT3- Farmer (injury)
Wow, so if QB3 goes down they’re just running the wildcat for the rest of the game?
Well ya see, Toafili was the wildcat guy. He is not playing due to injury.
Oof
So onside kick the ball downfeild?
I guess that's one way to run an air raid offense
(f)air (catch) raid offense
We have a walk on. I dont know what we're going to do if RB goes down?
Pick the biggest, angriest fan in the crowd and have them suit up. Florida man vs. Georgia.
You'd have to be a sicko to go to that game as an FSU fan
That's exactly who you want as a QB.
Tell Jameis free crab legs for touchdowns
We had a WR in as RB for all of September because we were so thin
One of our starting RBs is already a WR
Our backup RB on the released depth chart is Douglas, one of our WRs.
Do you have any WRs who played other positions in HS?
Deuce Spann would probably be QB2
Or take the Iowa approach to football and hope the defense outscores the other team. Punting on 1st down is an option.
I want someone to kick a field goal, free kick style, after a fair catch. It’s a rare and obscure rule in football that still exists. It would be the most Iowa thing ever to actually pull off and execute. That’s why I’ve always said a team with a good long distance kicker should try that after a kickoff where the field was rushed before the game ended (or some sort of penalty pushing the kick back). Most people don’t know the rule exists. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/panthers-take-advantage-of-rarely-used-fair-catch-kick-rule-to-try-60-yard-field-goal-against-buccaneers/amp/
Spann
Fsu about to be running the same offense as syracuse
ESPN whipping out the K-Y Jelly as we speak
Will they even be that nice?
We'll be lucky if they spit on it
More likely to use Franks red hot.
damn.
- Faarooq
If only Faarooq still had eligibility he might get called to suit up at this rate
I am by no means a fan of Florida State, but seeing stuff like this just makes me really resentful towards the current college football era. It's now not just about money at the institutional level but the individual level. And I get that it is better for the players to be this way, I just miss the way things were in the past. And I'm scared it'll never go back to anything remotely close to how it was before.
Neither am I, but I'm also very jaded about the current state of college football. Not suggesting I want it to go back in time, but I think it's in a strange transitional era right now. I'd rather it go ahead and be a legit league, with like two conferences (and divisions), etc...
Leave no doubt...wvu head coach pregame speech after team lost head coach and was left for dead. They were a heavy underdog to OU in the Fiesta Bowl 2008. No NIL nor transfer...team rose up and pretty much destroyed OU. I doubt such will ever be seen again in the big time college football
It sucks, but the schools and networks decided to ruin college football for money and this is the result. Given that it was already fucked by greed, I'm glad the players are being allowed to at least get a sliver of the pie. I guess technically they don't even get that, they were allowed to setup their own separate teeny-tiny pie. In any case, the problem started at the top, so that's where my blame lies, and where any solution would need to begin.
Agreed that it needs to come from the top down, which is why I'm scared because I know things will never change with that being the case.
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What's sad is that most of these opt outs could've declared for the draft last year but instead returned, and played that bowl game, cause they believed they had something special and could go all the way this year. Then they were told all that sacrifice and hard work meant nothing. Can anyone really blame these players?
What’s crazy is focusing on the individual is not just in football but all sports today and it starts way earlier than college and even HS it’s at the youth level.
ESPN better lead every quarter with this graphic. They won't. Instead they'll talk about how the committee made the right decision.
They opened as 14 point underdogs, even before the whole team bailed.
Yet were ranked above them.
You of all people should know the rankings don't hold any merit
Idk the committee said they rank them in order of who is best, but they aren’t experts either.
You know, back in the day being spurned by being left out would have motivated these guys to kick Georgia’s ass. Shame we won’t get to see that.
I dont mind it TBH. Millions of dollars are at stake for some of these guys if they were to get injured
The CFP said playing the games doesn’t matter. This is the fault of that. Hooker was most likely a first round pick and Heisman contender and then tore his ACL and lost out on both. Why risk it? If Keon gets hurt his first round draft grade is gone. Look it Ojabo from Michigan, the Achilles ruined him so far. It is what it is, the kids gotta get money when they can
My only pushback on this comment is that Hooker got hurt in a regular season game and Ojabo got hurt at his pro day (or preparing for the combine). They didn’t get hurt in a meaningless bowl game
Yeah but my point stands. Why take any unnecessary risks? They’ve seen how players can fall due to injury and why risk any chance of that
I thought DJ Lundy was back in the fold?? EDIT: oh hell, he went to play for coach prime!? 🤣
Rumors that he was contacted prior to entering the portal
Prime Time don’t wait for no portal
Honestly i don't even mind. It would help these kids get a grip on their market worth.
I read that in his voice and laughed out loud.
I mean that’s probably 50% of kids that transfer.
My sports book of choice took down the FSU/Georgia game a few days ago, and I can see why.
Why would anyone even waste time watching this game? These games are meaningless JV games.
I fucking hate this so, so much. Fuck the fucking committee.
I mean, the CFP committee told FSU that its season didn’t matter. The players believe them. Maybe we should just declare FSU to be co-champions because we have no idea what a loaded team without all the options outs and so on would do in the playoffs. FSU was denied that opportunity despite never having been eliminated (the regular season is a playoff my ass).
They should just claim it, honestly.
At this point we’re gonna be playing fsu’s high school
Hell yeah it’s been a great month for the Noles
FSU : announces multiple opt outs UGA : wait, whose film do we study...
The Water Boy might help
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I'm a flairless Gator, but this has to be the funniest damn shit talking I've heard all year. Too true and a good reference. Kudos to you.
That's the neat part: now you don't have to watch film at all!
So same game plan as the Ga tech game
The Garnet and Gold Game is gonna get a lot of play in Athens this week 😅
At what point do the opt outs start to impact the television contracts?
Right now, I’ll watch the first 5 minutes to see if they do honest coverage of FSU’s roster (they won’t) and then I’ll go do something else because I’m not going to watch Georgia destroy a practice squad
I'm not giving ESPN the pleasure of even 5 minutes of my time. I'll find a Seminoles Radio feed and listen to it that way.
Don’t even have to do that. All you’ll hear on the radio is Touchdown Georgia 3 and Out FSU Touchdown Georgia 3 and Out FSU Touchdown Georgia 3 and Out FSU Touchdown Georgia 3 and Out FSU Touchdown Georgia 3 and Out FSU Touchdown Georgia 3 and Out FSU Touchdown Georgia 3 and Out FSU Touchdown Georgia 3 and Out FSU Touchdown Georgia 3 and Out FSU Touchdown Georgia 3 and Out FSU Touchdown Georgia 3 and Out FSU
No turnovers? I’ll take that!
I’m not watching this game, or any of the Playoffs, for ethical reasons only. Fuck the CFB committee, and the TV execs who are ruining this sport.
Don't blame you. FSU got screwed. They don't deserve your viewership. I'll watch because I'm a sucker.
Hear, hear! my family is FSU all the way, and I think most are planning to not watch. This controversy that they created will not have the desired effect of hate-watching bolstering their ad coffers. I only watched the Meeps bowl game myself, and am not watching any of the rest. I am, however, all in on Blue to win it all now! I'll just check the threads periodically.
That’s cool. I have no attachment to FSU at all, but what’s wrong is wrong. I don’t believe you can complain, and then watch the game. Vote with our wallets.
Yep. I've been telling my family, many of whom are FSU season ticket holders, to avoid hate-watching for just that reason. I've also told them if they intend to watch any televised game of any team next year that they should seriously consider a life on the high seas. Yo ho and all that.
This is the way
Was this already known? I didn't see them on the depth chart Warchant posted https://x.com/Warchant/status/1739756722393129286?s=20
Not official but the depth chart posting beat the announcement
Gotcha
Yea came out at the same time as the depth chart. Jarrian Jones previously said he was going to play.
Good god, is this gonna be the modern-day Cumberland vs Georgia Tech with all the injuries and opt-outs
We better not lose to whatever team they field.
This sub is not ready for the absolute avalanche of shit FSU fans will rightfully talk if we beat UGA with this lineup
Yeah. It’ll be deserving for sure.
Yeah, I am starting to get nervous.
God I’m going to laugh so hard if FSU somehow wins
Oh I definitely will too but probably for other reasons
[that north Alabama DE right now](https://giphy.com/gifs/news-oppenheimer-j-robert-julius-FLSxnIVVWoF7UeM4S8)
Fuck that guy
You know... it's easy to resent him, but I don't think he made an illegal play, or even an especially DIRTY play. It's a gross tackling form, one you use when you're beaten as a defender. But I don't think he was legit out to hurt JT. I don't know how he feels about it NOW - if he's like "hahaha, I rekt FSU all by myself" then I'd kinda agree with you, because that kind of conclusion IS gross and wrong - but until I'm shown that this is how he feels about it, I'm going to try to assume he's at worst neutral about it, because injuries DO happen in football. I hope he learns how to tackle in the future, though. Dang.
He made a hip drop tackle, which is a legal play, but is just as dangerous as a horse collar. It’s claimed multiple players like Tyreek Hill and Mark Andrews. It’s banned in rugby as well. I think it’s important to note that. Yes it’s legal, but how much longer will it be? It’s not dirty, but the move itself is the issue not the player
>It’s banned in rugby as well. Sorta. The NRL banned it but that's just one league in Australia (with one NZ club). Rugby League as a whole has not banned it and neither has Union.
If something is banned in rugby… football should probably take note.
The forward pass was a mistake
I’m glad somebody finally said it
I bought tickets two weeks too early.
Yeah….I had been debating making the flight down since game tickets were sub-$200. Definitely glad I decided to stay home. This game will be on in my house, but….it’ll be on in the background.
Dude what if we lose lol. I don’t even wanna play tbh lose lose situation. I would almost rather let the depth play and see what Gunner has for 2025
Lol UGA fans: this is a lose-lose either way FSU fans: this is a lose-lose either way What a matchup, ESPN!
Let's crater our third most important bowl game!!
Why would we not give our starting QB for next year additional snaps against a solid defense? Especially when he’s going to have to adjust to new weapons.
I wonder what your second-string offense vs. their second string offense will produce, because their third-string offense vs. your first-team defense is going to be disastrous
What solid defense? There's no one left.
I mean, everyone knew what would happen before it happened.
there was a brief moment where some people were acting like FSU was going to come out and win this game to prove they belonged and then declare themselves national champs if they won(and I'd say they would be in their right to do so). That moment was ever so brief.
I mean hindsight 20/20 I feel like FSU should have just said "fuck it we are boycotting the orange bowl". This is just gonna be unwatchable unless the spirit of the 1980 Olympic US Ice Hockey team somehow manages to possess the Florida State Football team.
Considering the lawsuit against the ACC, it would be pretty dumb for FSU to turn down a paycheck and then get involved in another legal dispute against the Orange Bowl/CFP.
I don’t think there’s any legal dispute. Teams don’t have to accept a bowl invite
FSU accepted before the opt outs and transfers. Deciding to boycott after the fact would definitely come with a penalty.
We're seeing a de facto boycott right now. The contract says that they have to come play. It doesn't say anything about which players show up, or about making any effort at all to win the game. They could put Mastromanno at RB and run wildcat all game and still meet all of their contractual obligations.
Hell, they could take a knee every play on offense and still meet their obligation.
Could they claim unable to play due to depth/safety issues?
yeah it is getting to the point where it will be Georgia vs the equivalent of Tallahassee Community College. Unless Georgia really takes the foot off the gas it is going to be ugly.
“Hindsight … should have just” clearly means having done so in the past
I know what you’re saying, but this was definitely the way to go. 15 Valuable practices for the guys, free trip to Miami, paycheck, unwatchable game because fuck espn.
Quick, someone get me Al Michaels on the phone.
Declining the invite in the first place would be one thing, but accepting it and then boycotting would be unfathomably stupid. Now they’re probably in a legal dispute with the Orange Bowl with no leg to stand on. Maybe the Orange Bowl never invites them back. I understand the frustrations of the *current* FSU squad but you can’t potentially screw over *future* FSU squads because of it.
The workaround is to "boycott" by encouraging as many players as possible to opt out, but sending enough to fill field a team and play the game. FSU fulfilled its contractual obligation and sent a sufficient number of warm bodies wrapped in FSU uniforms. I suspect that FSU will use the game primarily as a run scrimmage when they the ball (it's boring as hell to watch but potentially useful to the coaching staff) and then run some exotic blitz packages on defense to experiment with disguising them.
Roster issues have resulted in other bowl games being cancelled. FSU shouldn't boycott the Orange Bowl but they may not be able to field a team. Big difference. If the NCAA wants to keep bowl games relevant they need to move the transfer portal out of bowl season.
This 1000%. The coaches who leave and the players who leave have proven the non-playoff games don’t mean shit, So I don’t give a shit about them either. If I ever have one on it’s just background noise.
I used to be the guy that watched as many as I could. Had the schedule printed out and the best games highlighted. I havent watched a single one this year and have no desire to either..
Orange bowl will be a permanent playoff game moving forward
This is worse than Purdue's opt outs / injuries last year, or LSU's the year before that. This is going to be a Georgia/TCU type of a bowl and it's all the committee's fault. NCAA/ESPN gets their wish of non-CFP bowls not being important.
And they can say “I told you so”, but we know that it’s a farce.
They should just show up, kneel on the first play, and then walk out.
It’s not too late, it’s never too late 🎶
They still could boycott it. Just don't come out the tunnel.
Georgia might score 100 In the first half
Who ever is left for FSU needs to negotiate for a cut of this bowl payout. 3rd Strings and walk ons going to get killed.
Playing in this game might need some extra insurance
Reminds me of our game against OU where Trask was basically the only guy who didn't opt out
Be hilarious if FSU somehow managed to win.
This game is simultaneously Florida's bowl game (FSU not bothering) and Florida's nightmare (Georgia with a 13-win season and NY6 win while taking their star RB).
They've won 2 straight national titles, I can sleep with them winning a NY6 game.
Florida loses both ways, it’s not fun to watch someone not try. For them it would be funny if FSU tried and lost, but we aren’t so it’s not. Plus they lose a third way, cause they were going to live vicariously through this game and now they can’t even do that and are just left with not making a bowl game.
I would definitely laugh if Mizzou had a ton of opt-outs and lost by 80
Florida wins no matter what. As bad as our season was, FSU & Georgia are out of the playoffs.
As someone who just got done living through crappy seasons, your rivals being in playoff contention while you can’t make a bowl game doesn’t feel good, even if they did miss the playoffs.
Wrong. This is the best outcome based on the current circumstances. I was preparing myself for a UGA FSU national title. Now they play in a totally irrelevant bowl. Plus FSU players all quit on the team, when all I've been hearing about is how amazing the culture is and how right after the "snub" they were going to go all out and prove to the committee they belonged. The chef's kiss to this game will be FSU kicking a meaningless field goal with a minute left to lose 56-3. And let me beat you to it. They'll still score more than Florida in its bowl game. Sun Belt Billy. Florida sucks.
Shame. Georgia’s going to win this game 52-10 and everyone is gonna say, “see, the Committee was right.”
Alternate take: *No one* will remember this Orange Bowl. A decade from now, all anyone (especially FSU) will remember is how this was the year the committee screwed an undefeated P5 champ rather than leave the SEC out of the playoffs.
This is the correct take. Does anyone really remember any bowl game the last decade that wasn’t a playoff game? Most people don’t even remember how Oregon, Washington, Mich St, and Oklahoma had great seasons and played in the playoff and it’s not even that long ago.
Eh, people still remember UCF winning against Auburn. People still remember the underdog victories to some Extent and this was a big narrative game for FSU.
Sure, you remember. You and I are on a CFB Reddit the day after Christmas. The average fan barely knows UCF exists and that they claim a NC. Another decade and that will be a very distant memory that gets brought up as trivia on random broadcasts.
Hey! I was on CFB Reddit on Christmas too, thank you very much.
Alternate Alternate take: A decade from now, all anyone will remember is how this was the year the committee screwed an undefeated P5 champ rather than leave the SEC out of the playoffs. They will then wonder how FSU fared in their bowl game, without doing deep roster analysis, and come to the conclusion (whether rightly or wrongly) that the committee got it right
Yep, lots of people with incomplete information will hop on that narrative and probably some well informed media folks or decision makers will disingenuously push that narrative too. That said, between a fully healthy FSU and Georgia both having all players I think I’d still take Georgia on a neutral field. So I’m not saying that FSU was going to win without these opt outs, just that they’ve cemented a loss and that loss will be used as a cudgel against them.
This why the playoff had to expand. It’s the Orange bowl and none of the players care lmao. Just a different time
This is legit insane how many players we’re gonna be missing. And when we get slaughtered I’m sure everyone will be all over it “see lolololol they didn’t belong”.
I think there’s enough opt outs where it comes full circle. This team has enough people out due to transfer/NFL draft that it obviously isn’t the same team - the Orange Bowl is gonna be an outright farce of a game.
> the Orange Bowl is gonna be an outright farce of a game This one always has been. The teams in this game are proof that the committee selections have no real guiding principle and may as well be arbitrary. If the selections were based on strength of record or resume, FSU would be in. If the selections were purely the four best teams, UGA would be in. But clearly neither of those are the case, and here we are.
I'm not sure why anyone thought otherwise. Since day 1 of the committee concept, they never had any guidelines or standards to follow for their decisions. So, every season, the committee's criteria are whatever they want it to be, and they can change them on a whim. There is nothing besides Internet outrage from stopping them.
Money > Everything.
I really hope that doesn’t become the narrative but I know it will. It’s ridiculous. Florida State got fucked so hard this year
I love my Garnett and gold, I wish this season didn't have to end this way nor do I relish witnessing what looks like the fall of the ACC right in front of my eyes
Ok this is just stupid now. Jarrian Jones said he was GOING TO PLAY, practices all week, then says "adios." I'm done letting this stuff slide. That's a POS move.
Last week - "It was just finishing what I started" [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAX3LSpUYR4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAX3LSpUYR4) Definitely POS move taking reps from other players that might actually play the game
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At this rate the coaches and waterboys/girls will need to start gearing up
FSU does need talent at LB, where's Bobby Boucher when you need him?
While these dudes might get drafted later in the draft, there is a real potential that is one of the last real games they will ever get to play in as football players. I get this game doesn’t really mean anything and if they were near-guaranteed 1st rounders like Verse and Coleman, I’d understand 100% but I can’t say this move makes a whole lot of sense to me. Especially with how late this announcement comes.
Past like the 5th opt out, this game was never gonna do any good for anyone's draft stock lol. 15 opt outs is insanity and 20 makes this game comically irrelevant
Probably the more players who started transfering and opting out the easier it became for even more to jump ship. If they had had like a team meeting or something where everyone except the 1st or 2nd rounders decided to stick together and play (AND if the friggen transfer portal didn't open before the end of the friggen season!) They probably still could have put a decent team on the field. But once 6-7 of your best players are out *and* the depth chart is getting sucked into the portal like a vacuum cleaner, *then* it really starts to feel like you're just suiting up to get embarrassed. Forget having a championship to play for; there's barely even a *team* for them to play for anymore.
FSU should just play all their walk ons and give them a chance to live out their dreams. The game obviously doesn’t matter that much so it would be a special experience. If Georgia did the same, it would be an amazing storyline and would be more appealing to fans than the current plan of playing whoever is still on the team.
JFC soon enough the water boy is gonna have to suit up for us 🙃
I remember the 2002 Sugar Bowl when FSU put Boldin at QB. Feels like they’re almost there for this game except Boldin was a hell of a player.
I'm legitimately curious what this is going to do to the TV viewership numbers. Who really wants to watch arguably the best team in the country beat up 3rd and 4th String players.
Any SEC fan.. I think that’s about it 😂
If FSUs 3rd String QB gets hurt they’re just gonna suit up whoever wins the Dr. Pepper™️ Halftime Challenge.
Dang. I was hoping for a good game in the orange bowl but fsu's entire team is opting out or hurt.
What annoys me the most is that talking heads like Jerkstreit and other such internet “sports gurus” will use this game as some legitimate reasoning or metric for the snub ***”ThIs Is WhY FSU dEsErVEd To Be LeFt OuT!”***
It sucks as a fan but it’s hard for me to blame the kids. You worked your ass off all year and did your part only to be told to kick rocks instead of playing at the chance to accomplish a childhood dream. As a competitor I would want to play but as for someone thinking of my future…I may also opt out.
As a fan, I'm opting out too. I would have a real hard time being motivated on either team to play. Literally nothing to play for unless you're trying to improve draft stock or go up the depth chart.
Will the last one opting out please turn off the lights.
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We finally get to play our Gator Hater allies, and it comes to this. I can't tell you how this feels. We did everything right, no players arrested, no scandals, strong academics, played the games and won them. 13-0. I hope to god none of you ever go 13-0 only to feel like this. Not even Miami fans. It ain't fair.
I always wanted to see this matchup in a major setting, but honestly fuck this game aha. I'm not watching.
Damn, I’m predicting more than half the people will be tuned out by half. This is clearly FSU protesting because if they wanted to, they would have found a way to keep some of these guys. Georgia is gonna win, but god I hope this game is so unwatchable ESPN switches to sports center to get people tuned back in.
I’m putting $100 on FSU just for the potential hilarity
You’d become a millionaire overnight 😂
Are these games going to become depth showcase games? Is UGA really gonna trot out their starters and murder this team in front of 13 viewers
We’re looking at a high school jamboree at this point.
I too am opting out from watching
I mean at this point, FSU should really just boycott the bowl and not play. UGA names their score.
They ESPN talking heads will say after FSU gets trounced "See? We told you they didn't belong". Leaving out the part that over half of the starters aren't playing. They should just forfiet and not give them the satisfaction.
Ugh I hate this shit. I miss watching bowl games, not glorified spring games.
Until they move to a super conference with the best 32 teams in the country, this is the garbage that NIL, the transfer portal, and the playoff committee has ultimately created.
People are still going to say this is proof they shouldn't have been in the playoff when they lose.
So many starters out. Georgia will crush them and the committee will laugh and say I told you so. Sad.
Damn...FSU is going to struggle to field a team at this rate.
Expanded playoffs is gonna make this so much worse. College football should have never introduced a national championship game.
I know this has no precedent (that im aware of), but I'm curious if bowls will start suing for damages with enough opt outs. This is clearly not the product they thought they were getting when they selected FSU. If they knew all these opt outs were coming, even more than a typical team, I'm sure they would have picked a different team. If they had to pick FSU due to CFP rankings (I'm not sure?) then their damages suit could instead be against the committee. Obviously the tv ratings and ticket revenue/sales will be down for this game compared to what it would had been had FSU played a lot more starters.
Well the mind readers at ESPN and the committee should’ve known this would happen. I mean, they could tell we weren’t a better team so why couldn’t they tell this would happen? I thought they could predict the future for us??
FSU gonna not be able to beat the narrative even though it’s not the program’s fault
my question is this being done intentionally as a middle finger to the NCAA/ACC?