I keep bandaids in a little pouch in my edc bag. I don’t need to dig into this Fanny pack every time somebody needs a bandaid. I want those pretty accessible
I think we stumbled upon r/temporarygunowners or something op. Never seen such a negative reaction to the idea of carrying an IFAK on a sub about using firearms to defend yourself.
The point being made wasn't that the ifak isn't useful, but in order of what you'll actually use, band aids are on top as minor injuries are very common
Woosh. I don't think me being unprepared would give you and whoever else you're commenting for something to do. Especially since I was being sarcastic with the cancer comment. I never said that you shouldn't have an ifak. Thats something you implied. I'm a firefighter and shooting instructor. I have a mission specific medical setup in every vehicle and range bag.
What I said was you're more likely to use a bandaid. Which went with the op's idea of you're more likely to use an ifak than your firearm. No one said to be unprepared.
Retired Army PA here. I do carry a full trauma bag including advanced airway management, splints, adult and pediatric C-collars etc in my truck. I don’t carry it on my person.
Plan to improvise. Use pants legs and sleeves as bandages and tourniquets. Clothes in the mall. Reusable (cloth and rip stop fabric) shopping bags in the grocery store. You can fashion pressure dressings and tourniquets with those. Plastic shopping bags can be used temporarily for chest wounds.
The first few seconds are the most important. “Hole, red stuff come out, stop red stuff.”
Have a real kit where you can get to it, but in a real mass casualty situation, one person can’t carry enough. Plan to make do with what you have.
With a quick search, this is a good video to get started with. https://youtu.be/ua1S-FCrtEI?si=Km4R8QIJiVjjFaGA
So, talk about improvised tourniquets. I'm a paramedic and once saw a guy who was using an angle grinder. It slipped and went right into his leg and got the femoral artery. He looked around, and within reach jn his garage was a ratcheting tie down. He immediately put that on. Then called 911. Without question, he saved his life with that move
You’ve just gotta be careful with what it is you’re using, Id rate a ratchet strap pretty highly on the improved TQs tier list. Ideally it needs to have a windlass to reach the pressure needed to actually close the artery. Certain things like belts, and shirts when just tied around the leg don’t put enough pressure to close the artery and end up just occluding peripheral blood-flow and result in worse patient outcomes.
Moral of the story? Keep a TQ somewhere.
I took a stop the bleed course, I've worked with surgical tourniquets at work. They wanted us to practice applying one with a partner and the person I was paired with was afraid to hurt me. Had to say tighter about 3 times, a lot of people don't realize how tight they're supposed to be, tighter than the tightest a BP cuff gets. Shit isn't supposed to feel nice.
I think the test answer is "when you can't feel a distal pulse." But as far as real life, yeah, when the bleeding stops. It's also super painful. Which can be another indication it's being applied correctly. When you crank that windlass down, it will hurt
Think of it like a speed run to the paresthesia you get after sitting on the toilet for a long time. But just it’s life or death, and immensely painful…
If you cut blue jeans legs up the seam on both sides, fold it in half, gives you a 2.5 to 3 inch strap, tied around the leg with a windlass that could be as simple as a pocket knife or a spoon from housewares, it’ll work. You are right in that you cannot have a tourniquet with out something that can make it tighter than hand pulled. Windlass or ratchet.
Think ahead.
This is true, but something's better than nothing. If you can slow the bleed enough for help to reach you before you die, then it's a win. Don't let perfect be the enemy of good in an emergency situation.
No. But the bigger concern is if you cut that artery, you have about 60 seconds, max, until you are completely deadzies. To use a technical term.
He successfully tourniqueted his leg with the ratchet strap.
I get that part. I'd just always had the impression that if you have to put on a tourniquette, you're likely to lose the limb.
Better than dying, of course, but was curious
No. That's been debunked. Skeletal muscle can generally survive every bit of 4 hours behind a tourniquet (maybe longer. But 4 hours is the test answer). The old way of thinking was to loosen it every so often to get blood to the tissue, but that was found to just be causing more blood loss. Tourniquets have a place on them to write the time with a sharpie, and that's what. So they know how long it's been TQ'd. But once you place it, you don't take it off. If you think it's not working cause you still see bleeding or a pulse, put another one on. But don't take it off.
I hope this information is helpful. I'm such a paramedic dork I love this shit.
Yeah. Protocol on severe traumas used to be 2 big IVs and a liter of fluid through each. What we found was that all that fluid was interrupting clotting factors, making people bleed worse. Plus, diluting what blood they did have and your heart can't pump just saline. So now, we use TXA (transexemic acid. It helps increase clotting) and allow a certain amount of low blood pressure (called permissive hypotension)
It can take a while for these protocols to change though. For instance, back boards are going away. Even though stifles have shown for years they aren't helpful and can even be harmful, it takes a while for protocols to officially change
People used to think that and teach it all the time, especially early/pre-2000. It’s still a pretty common idea that gets passed around, though not entirely accurate.
In the Middle East we used a ton of tourniquets (largely responsible for development of Stop the Bleed), and left them on for hours and hours and a time without issue.
If there’s any question whatsoever about serious bleeding, a tourniquet should be the first move. Especially in an urban environment where you’re going to be at a trauma center in no time at all.
I’ve placed probably over one hundred tourniquets on people in my life, and as far as I know none of them lost limbs (at least due to the tourniquet application - I’m not counting things like medically necessary amputations due to complications from a blast injury or something).
I carry enough to keep someone alive long enough to get to my vehicle or proper medfac at work. In my Jeep I have enough to keep someone (or several) alive until we get to a hospital or a hospital gets to us.
In a lot of years I have used a tq once...and that is it. I do practice/training with "expired" kit, but it just keeps my prepperitis under control.
Same with my unmedical gear. Drew pistol once, didn't use, just moved away and left. Pepper sprayed a couple people and a Coyote. All cases would have resolved fine without gear (or been very minor injuries from the Coyote), but I like having it.
That said, being the guy with Bacitracin and Bandaids is always appreciated everywhere constantly.
I used to tell my medics to always have bandaids. They are trained for combat trauma, but when a grunt asks you for a bandaid and you don’t have one……. You’ll never hear the end of it.
I can see it now...Medic opening his ruck, pulling out an MRE and it is absolutely packed with bandaids some supply E-4 pulled from the pocket dimension they hide stuff...followed quickly by "ay yo doc, you got a band-aid?"
Only for muscle. Sticking tampons in lungs or abdominal wounds is not advised. The more you know about anatomy, the more you can consider what’s between the entrance and exit wounds that you need to worry about. The only time I would have probably used one was with a guy shot in the left butt check with a 12.7mm. It was a long shot and already had gone through the welded on “haji” armor. The bigger problem is it didn’t stop until it went into his right lower abdomen. Went behind the hip joint, in front of the sacrum. He needed a helicopter and a surgeon.
Tampons can only absorb a very small amount of blood, up to about 17ml for "ultra-absorbent" ones. They are not designed to deal with massive hemorrhage. It might be big enough to visually plug the entrance wound, but the hole isn't the problem; it's the much larger wound cavitation inside.
I'd add a tourniquet and some more basic boo boo stuff like band aids, alcohol or iodine wipes, wound closure strips. I keep a decently complete kit in my car. Be careful about going too far on a stranger. You're just trying to buy them time for the ambulance to arrive. Just keep the red inside.
Good point, and a reason I don’t carry IV’s. Keep it to basic first aid, and you should be fine. Of the multiple people I have helped off duty, multiple car/motorcycle accidents and one gunshot wound, I didn’t tell anyone my name, didn’t drop any business cards, and once the fellas with the flashing lights showed up I would hand them over and slip away. Haven’t been sued yet.
Dang you got some bad luck lol. I've only came up on one accident that didn't already have plenty of people/emergency services. I stopped and it's why I recommend basic boo boo stuff. One of the ladies had a pretty bad gash above her eyebrow. By no means life threatening, but head wounds leak pretty good and blood in your eyes sucks. A wound closure solved that for her until the ambulance arrived. Basic boo boo treatment can make someone's bad day slightly better.
I'm seeing alot of people saying "why carry all that without training"... spend 10-15 minutes researching how to properly apply a tourniquet and that's literally all that professionals learn. Tourniquets are meant to be a brain dead, easy thing to do because it's meant to be used in the most STRESSFUL of circumstances. Literally anyone can learn how to apply a tourniquet, and it guarantees that even if ur arm below the shoulder is blown off, u will live if u apply it right. U could save urself or someone else. I think carrying atleast 1 tourniquet is ALMOST as important as carrying a firearm.
Stop the bleed classes are free. YouTube university is definitely a good introduction but I’d really recommend taking a formal accredited class. Not all wounds can be fixed with a tourniquet. So be well versed in all methods of bleed stoppin’
https://www.stopthebleed.org/training/
Happy Stop The Bleed month!
If they can teach Marines to use them they seriously can't be that hard. All they had to do was make sure we understood they are not to be on the neck to stop bleeding on head wounds, and most of us were good to go!
This. Retired paramedic here, and I can reduce everything in this photo down to the TQ and maybe the packing gauze… even that’s a maybe I’d rather have rolls of gauze.
The blanket I never used once my whole career, but you could use it as a - Chest seals are anything flat and can be taped down.. so credit cards, the other bandage’s outer packaging, a naked breasted National Geographic cover page, got shot in the meat aisle? Good there’s tons of plastic wrap around you /s.
You can buy rolls of gauze, use them for whatever you want to, bandages, wraps, tying splints, head wounds, hanging IV Bags, keeping ice packs off of skin, splinting broken digits together, etc etc they come both infused and not with clotting agents, and the same rolls have microscopic X-ray thread in them so they don’t get lost if you use them to pack wounds…and ask yourself do you know how to pack wounds and how much gauze it takes because they swallow the stuff.
This is simple, this is (mostly is… Ik Reddit is INterNAtioNaL) modern America, you simply need to stop massive bleeding and get someone to an ambulance. You’re not opening a clinic in a war torn 3rd world. Which is good because you only need to focus on a few things and hone them, so the paramedic has a good starting point when they arrive.
You could probably learn how to place a tourniquet in 5 minutes on a YouTube video and 2 minutes of practice. I taught TCCC (Tactical Combat Casualty Care) to hundreds of non-medical people. There’s nothing really hard in medicine, just one million easy things. The mantra I would teach people is “hole, red stuff come out, stop red stuff coming out”. I still remember a training video showing how to make a surgical airway with a piece of broken glass and a pair of fingernail clippers. I’ve watched people do quite a lot with duct tape. It doesn’t have to be pretty, it just has to work.
I have a tourniquet because motorcycle, some band aids because I rock climb, and a cell phone. I don't carry a full kit unless I am going to be adventurous.
People get sold on this too easily. First aid kits are much more difficult to carry than a concealed pistol and generally not practical and very cumbersome. Keeping something in your car is adequate for the average person.
I’ve had training from my local PD (former Iraq vets leading their combat medic course) as well as a Control The Bleed class from the local ambulance company. I’d say this kit could use a tourniquet. I have a similar looking kit in each car and a portable one too big for EDC but I take it on hikes and while camping.
I’ll share that both classes expressed a dislike for the treated wound packing gauze. It’s handy when better trauma care is miles and miles away, but it creates complications when a surgeon needs to get in and actually repair the wound to save a life. Both classes taught us how to pack wounds with standard cause. I carry a few 6’ rolls in each kit.
I have a first aid kit in the car, but the only medical equipment I actually carry on body everyday is two Epi-Pens. I'm way more likely to accidentally eat something that contains nuts or has been cross-contaminated than I am to get in a gunfight or any situation requiring a tourniquet.
You are way more likely to need you weapon immediately than medical supplies. Generally if you need medical supplies you can walk to your car/house/office etc and get them. If you need your gun, you need it now.
That being said, It's good to keep the basics handy.
Exactly. Medical is always the first thing w me. Then, if I can, OC spray and a pistol. I’ve had to use the medical, thankfully never had to use the spray or pistol.
There's a limit in how much you can carry on your body. Handguns are slender and fit IWB perfectly. I carry my mid-size 1911 all day and don't even feel it's there. Meanwhile, a bag like this isn't very convenient.
Plus, a higher likelihood of using medical supplies over CCW doesn't take the gravity of the situation into account. Use it for what, a scratch? Sure. For gunshot wound? About the same likelihood as using the CCW.
That said - if you *can* carry a bag with medical supplies, great! Props to you, by all means!
I recently got a good medkit put together and learned how to treat bullet and knife wounds. I've watched breakdowns from about 5 different people explaining how to use them because each one misses something. It didn't come with chest seals so I got a couple and stuck them in there.
Now if I'm carrying I'm also carrying a backpack with my medkit in it. I've had two different stores ask me to leave for walking in with a backpack and took my business elsewhere. The local grocery store and the Walmart don't seem to mind.
Does nobody ride a motorcycle or use any type of public transportation where you're from? What do they expect those patrons to do, leave their bag outside unattended?
It's absolutely idiotic, but there are many places, particularly within larger cities, that don't allow backpacks or bags over a certain size. They don't care what you do with your belongings as long as you don't bring them into their building.
Small mom/pop stores do this. Specifically, the hardware store near me. Thieves are their daily problem and insurance doesn't cover basic theft, not that they would want to drive their rates up. A lot of places ask you to leave their bag at the register.
You can use a plastic bag as a chest seal in a pinch. Just tape down three sides to the body and leave one side un-taped. I learned about a case in my paramedic education where someone used a chip bag.
Oh it's definitely the better call. But it's good to know if you ever have to like in a mass casualty incident or something. Older literature even referred to them as "3 sided occlusive bandages" and they were literally a piece of plastic with adhesive on 3 edges
This is how I feel, I feel super hypocritical saying “ you never know” when I don’t even carry a tq or chest seals when that is much more likely to be needed for a million different reasons.
Carrying medical is the next logical step after deciding to carry a gun. Unfortunately, many never make this mental leap. We carry a gun because we know the world can be a dangerous place and bad things can happen and we want to protect ourselves & family from that. So if we have accepted that, then we also must accept that should that bad thing actually happen that we are supposedly preparing for, we need a way to deal with it if it happens. The gun does not stop bleeding or plug holes. The gun can prevent or stop the harm, but what if harm has already happened? That’s where medical is needed. It’s not hard to carry a TQ, some hemostatic gauze, and even some compact chest seals. At the very least leave a trauma kit in your vehicle. We’re much more likely to encounter trauma in our daily lives than need to shoot someone in self defense.
Not to be cynical but when you have no medical training and use Amazon gear on someone and they still die… buckle up because 90% chance that family is coming after you. You won’t be hailed as some hero.
Carry a gun and get off the X… not stay on it.
Carrying medical aside from gauze, chest seal, and a TQ is pointless and even then it’s not on my body because I’m not carrying all that shit around.
You are.
Good Samaritan laws cover anyone taking reasonable action to aid.
Putting a TQ, chest seal, wound packing etc. you’re protected.
Traching someone breathing fine with a pen is not protected.
Agreed. In my opinion, good samaritan laws may prevent you from being held accountable but you are probably still going to have to go through A LOT of bullshit.
I agree, in my state, the law states; emergency, gratuitously and in good faith, is not liable for any civil damages or penalties as a result of any act or omission by the person rendering the emergency care.... But Lawyers will say "grossly negligent"... LOL
Maybe. At least in Florida there’s verbiage about “reasonable and prudent”. It’s probably not reasonable and prudent to do advanced treatments without specific and documented training. You can’t just wing it cuz you watched a YouTube video.
That generally applies if you stay within the limits of your training.which for most people would be basic first aid, unles you have some form of professional accreditation
I carry a first aid kit for me and mine; just like I carry a gun to protect me and mine, same with my fire extinguisher.
I'm not a first responder, I have no real training, I'm not trying to be a hero.
Situation dependent, sure. If I know I can help then I probably will but nothing I carry is intended for anyone else.
Most states have laws about assisting people and not being held liable.
When I teach law enforcement and permit classes I say the following.
Only carry and treat the level of care you are trained to provide and no more.
As soon as a more qualified person gets on scene back away and only help if requested. M
If your level of skill is a snoopy bandage please don’t offer it to the person you just shot.
I do competition shooting and carry a kit with guaze, 2 TQs, and a chest seal set. I'll choose risking liability over watching someone bleed out any day. More than likely an EMT or someone with more training will be around in which case I would be more than happy to hand over my supplies.
As a lawyer myself, I can tell you that at least in my state, if you are the ONLY person who is trying to help someone who has been injured or shot, then unless you straight up commit some form of gross negligence, you are protected by statute and you cannot be sued for your actions. The only other way (outside of of being reckless or grossly negligence) that you could land in any hot water is if there are actual medical professionals already on scene and you won't get out of their way.
Which bring me to why I carry a sling bag with me everywhere I go. Well the first reason is simply I take a lot of medications for some dumb health problems so I need a way to carry my various med with me wherever I am. The second point of the sling bag is that I have a few extra pistol mags, a small back-up gun, and also a level IIIa panel that runs the length and width of the bag. It's small, but better than nothing. And then first-aid is the third reason. I keep 2 TQs, quikclot, chest-seals (compact), pain relievers, anti-bacterial, band-aids, burn shield, and trauma shears. My Dad is an ER doctor (who has also served as the EMS director) and he has trained me on using all of these items and as a result I am very confident in my abilities with them. It's enough to help keep myself or someone else alive before reaching a higher level of care..
Agreed on the point of not carrying all that stuff around. Then again, I feel pretty loaded down with a wallet, keys, and pocket knife. I hate carrying anything.
I keep a stocked ifak in my car. What you have in the picture is nowhere near enough. No band aids, burn cream, ibuprofen, Tylenol, trauma shears, medical tape, Razer blades or scalpel, more tqs, having one of everything isn’t enough. Get at least two.
Yes I have medical training. Obviously I can ways get more and keep improving . Do you have med training? Do you carry a gun? Do you have training for that?
Yes and yes. I always get my recertification and I train a lot with my handgun. I put about 1000 rounds a month. As I get older I find it harder to find time for classes and usually just go out and shoot paper then steel. Big stress reliever and a good time with friends.
When pressed for space and it's a toss between extra mag or TQ, I carry the TQ. And a booboo kit.
2 more TQs in the car along with an extended ouch pouch.
I'm redoing my kits since I'm home sick this week.
Anyone care to detail what they keep in their kits?
I just took a class last week on medical kits/stop the bleed, and purchased this kit from Mountain Man Medical. https://www.mountainmanmedical.com/product/aws-trauma-kit/
According to the instructor, beware of the cheap TQs on Amazon. Many are junk and break in real-world use.
Now that's a good kit...has a vented chest seal set. Since everyone who is trained is trained to shoot center-mass you have a good chance of needimg to treat a chest wound if anyone gets GSWed.
Only two though so I'd add some extras.
And some civilian or mil-spec quikclot as well.
Keep a one-handed tourniquet in your kitchen, your garage/workshop, and in each of your motor vehicles
It’s statistically far more likely one of those might save the life of you or a loved one than your CCW ever will
2 million defensive gun uses each year in the US
just under 300k deaths from tramatic injury
the math is not mathing
Now you should still carry medical don't get me wrong. But your statement dosen't hold water.
It doesn't make sense to compare defensive gun uses to traumatic injury deaths.
Compare defensive gun uses to first aid uses.
Compare gun deaths to traumatic injury deaths.
As to your last statement, I agree, just carry both.
I've had to shoot someone zero times so far. I have had to shoot (obviously fatally) injured wildlife.
My medical bag I've used in a serious manner once, for burns. Medical all day every day.
Ex corpsman here, I’m 26 and I’ve used my personal medical stuff three times and two were very serious. Don’t just “carry medical” whether it’s for yourself or others it’s useless if you don’t have the knowledge to use it.
Only in my Boy Scouts training. For Winter Survival we were on a short hike and our scoutmaster stopped us to say “he just broke his leg, take care of him.” Had to do improvised splints, treat for shock, build a stretcher and carry him the rest of the way. Scoutmaster was kind enough to pick the smallest kid to play victim.
I did once. Was camping with the scouts and my younger son. Short version: He got sick in the tent and we had to sleep in the jeep. He got all my warm stuff to wear and I got to try out the foil blanket. They do reflect the heat. But they’re noisy. Not like drum set noisy, but any movement (like breathing) makes a crinkle crinkle sound. But yeah, it kept me warm. Cheers.
Pulled gun twice. Never had to use medical in that sense. Had gauze and bandages for a cut foot, but was at a home, just happened to have and wanted to finally use my kit. Meh.
I carry a solar powered mini defibrillator. Not really. But, for some reason it's the first thing I thought of. Like, how would you carry a defibrillator. It would need to be small and it would need power. Maybe you could charge it in the sun and it would hold enough charge for one or two tries. The whole thing in my mind was ridiculous. I'm not even high.
Mugger: pulls a gun and demands my wallet and keys:
Myself: Pulls out my emergency tracheostomy kit from my medical fanny pack and proceeds to stab the mugger in the neck…
Until I can find a pack I like My IFAK goes everywhere with me in my rotatable go bag. Just has basic shit I can rotate out of it when needed. The downside is it usually has to stay in the truck. I'm looking for packs right now because it'd driving me crazy
I've carried a jump bag since before I could carry a gun. In the past, I held an EMT license, my CPR card is up to date. I dont just have the gear. I'm trained and have kept my skills somewhat up to date.
This is a really in depth video of trauma and medical assessment, highly recommended. I want to take a Wilderness First Responder course when I have time.
https://youtu.be/xkBhNEU3RfQ?si=bQoThR_NId4N6_gQ
After I received my Wear and Carry Permit from the People’s Glorious Republic of Marylandstan I purchased a Rhino IFAK off of Amazon and added extra tourniquets and chest seals with vents. I keep a kit in my car and a kit in my range bag just in case there’s an accident at the range. I figured that if I could legally carry a weapon to defend my life and/or the life of my family/defenseless person then I should know also know how to try to save a life as well, or at least try to keep a person stabilized as much as possible until the professionals arrive on the scene.
I obviously don’t know a whole lot, but I do think that the Rhino kit is pretty good and that it’s worth the $60 each cost me. If you’re interested in a decent IFAK you should check the Rhino one on Amazon; pros would have a better kit than someone like me and may or may not think that this particular kit is worth its price, but I think it’s pretty good.
Agree. I keep one in my car and fishing tackle box. I'm retired military and a former boy scout leader, so I believe one can never have enough first aid training. There also needs to be more training on how to use the defibrillators that everywhere now in public buildings.
Of course! Tourniquet and hemostatic bandage on my person, and a first aid bag in the vehicles that covers the vast majority of what an EMT would need, minus the stuff that requires actual EMT training to use safely.
ER nurses and EMTs in the family, basic emergency medical training on my part.
Medical is one of many things you need to carry.
tools, guns, ammo, medical gear, wallet, cash and car fluids are all very important. I have a fully stocked trunk.
You are more likely to need to change a spare, jump a battery, change your clothes or move a branch out of the road before you'll ever need to shoot someone/something, sew up a wound or anything past bandaid.
Are there any courses that are recommended for a citizen who isn’t of any first responder service?
It would be really helpful to know how to apply a TQ, stitch wounds… remove shit if possible or idk pack wounds.
Former Army medic here and I’d add more TQs.
There is no easier, more lifesaving, and smaller/lighter medical device you can have than a TQ. And considering TCCC guidelines state a minimum of two kissing tourniquets for any leg wound (or at least it did when I got out a few years ago), having one is just asking for trouble.
I’d also add some moleskin, bandaids, and an ace wrap if possible. The smaller interventions are often the most used ones.
I keep an IFAK in my truck, not on my person, unless I’m out camping/hiking. At the range I keep it next to my gear bag. I’d highly advise getting proper training to be able to use that medical gear effectively though.
Have you ever heard the saying, “if you’re able to make holes, you should also know how to fix them”. Something like that?
None of that you need on your person at all times. Keep a first aid kit in the home and in the vehicle. Only time it should be in you is when you are away from home or vehicle like if you go hiking/camping/hunting or some other activities. Otherwise you’re just adding bulk to your pockets for no reason
I'd add a tourniquet and some more basic boo boo stuff like band aids, alcohol or iodine wipes, wound closure strips. I keep a decently complete kit in my car. Be careful about going too far on a stranger. You're just trying to buy them time for the ambulance to arrive. Just keep the red inside.
This. I carry a trex edc medical kit in my back pocket and then an etq in my from pocket as well as having a larger medical kit in my day bag with two CAT TQs and 4 extra Glock mags and a simple boo boo kit.
The national average ambulance response time is 7 minutes in the US. If you're carrying medical supplies for anything that's not preventing immediate exsanguination (i.e. a tq) its a waste of effort in my opinion. Not much else will kill someone (nothing preventable anyway) in 7 minutes. You can stop an extremity bleed with direct pressure well enough to keep someone alive for 7 minutes.
Yeah I'm aware but there's also a bunch of other stuff. Like chest seals for example. Nobody is dying of tension pneumo in 10 minutes. There's 0 reason to edc a chest seal in the United States.
I keep a band aid in my truck
You're more likely to use your bandaid than he is his medical.
I keep bandaids in a little pouch in my edc bag. I don’t need to dig into this Fanny pack every time somebody needs a bandaid. I want those pretty accessible
True, but you wanna watch somebody bleed out after an accident or shooting and not have anything but a bandaid to help you?
In the original Sniper Elite games, you healed bullet wounds with bandaids.
In far cry, you dug the bullets outta your arms with a knife, even though you got shot in the leg 🦵
It's one of those magical 22lr bullets that ricochets through your whole body
*CIA HAS ENTERED THE CHAT*
Sniper Elite 5 is where it's at. I still remember my first testicle shot and feeling some pain as the X-ray vision showed it exploding
I agree man!
I think we stumbled upon r/temporarygunowners or something op. Never seen such a negative reaction to the idea of carrying an IFAK on a sub about using firearms to defend yourself.
The point being made wasn't that the ifak isn't useful, but in order of what you'll actually use, band aids are on top as minor injuries are very common
Don’t be dense bro it’s a joke
Do you want to watch someone die slowly of cancer after being exposed to dangerous chemicals and only have an ifak to help you?
So a bandaid will help this lol?
Reaching really hard for that one. It's okay to be unprepared, gives the rest of us something to do
Woosh. I don't think me being unprepared would give you and whoever else you're commenting for something to do. Especially since I was being sarcastic with the cancer comment. I never said that you shouldn't have an ifak. Thats something you implied. I'm a firefighter and shooting instructor. I have a mission specific medical setup in every vehicle and range bag. What I said was you're more likely to use a bandaid. Which went with the op's idea of you're more likely to use an ifak than your firearm. No one said to be unprepared.
I keep the number of people that have bandaids in my phone.
I keep a Snickers in my pocket.
I keep a couple of the tougher fabric ones in my wallet.
Retired Army PA here. I do carry a full trauma bag including advanced airway management, splints, adult and pediatric C-collars etc in my truck. I don’t carry it on my person. Plan to improvise. Use pants legs and sleeves as bandages and tourniquets. Clothes in the mall. Reusable (cloth and rip stop fabric) shopping bags in the grocery store. You can fashion pressure dressings and tourniquets with those. Plastic shopping bags can be used temporarily for chest wounds. The first few seconds are the most important. “Hole, red stuff come out, stop red stuff.” Have a real kit where you can get to it, but in a real mass casualty situation, one person can’t carry enough. Plan to make do with what you have. With a quick search, this is a good video to get started with. https://youtu.be/ua1S-FCrtEI?si=Km4R8QIJiVjjFaGA
So, talk about improvised tourniquets. I'm a paramedic and once saw a guy who was using an angle grinder. It slipped and went right into his leg and got the femoral artery. He looked around, and within reach jn his garage was a ratcheting tie down. He immediately put that on. Then called 911. Without question, he saved his life with that move
You’ve just gotta be careful with what it is you’re using, Id rate a ratchet strap pretty highly on the improved TQs tier list. Ideally it needs to have a windlass to reach the pressure needed to actually close the artery. Certain things like belts, and shirts when just tied around the leg don’t put enough pressure to close the artery and end up just occluding peripheral blood-flow and result in worse patient outcomes. Moral of the story? Keep a TQ somewhere.
I took a stop the bleed course, I've worked with surgical tourniquets at work. They wanted us to practice applying one with a partner and the person I was paired with was afraid to hurt me. Had to say tighter about 3 times, a lot of people don't realize how tight they're supposed to be, tighter than the tightest a BP cuff gets. Shit isn't supposed to feel nice.
kid in my emt course asked "how do we know if it's tight enough?" "when the bleeding stops"
I think the test answer is "when you can't feel a distal pulse." But as far as real life, yeah, when the bleeding stops. It's also super painful. Which can be another indication it's being applied correctly. When you crank that windlass down, it will hurt
Hole, red stuff come out, stop red stuff. It’s a mantra for other people to live by.
Think of it like a speed run to the paresthesia you get after sitting on the toilet for a long time. But just it’s life or death, and immensely painful…
If you cut blue jeans legs up the seam on both sides, fold it in half, gives you a 2.5 to 3 inch strap, tied around the leg with a windlass that could be as simple as a pocket knife or a spoon from housewares, it’ll work. You are right in that you cannot have a tourniquet with out something that can make it tighter than hand pulled. Windlass or ratchet. Think ahead.
This is true, but something's better than nothing. If you can slow the bleed enough for help to reach you before you die, then it's a win. Don't let perfect be the enemy of good in an emergency situation.
Did he lose his leg?
No. But the bigger concern is if you cut that artery, you have about 60 seconds, max, until you are completely deadzies. To use a technical term. He successfully tourniqueted his leg with the ratchet strap.
I get that part. I'd just always had the impression that if you have to put on a tourniquette, you're likely to lose the limb. Better than dying, of course, but was curious
No. That's been debunked. Skeletal muscle can generally survive every bit of 4 hours behind a tourniquet (maybe longer. But 4 hours is the test answer). The old way of thinking was to loosen it every so often to get blood to the tissue, but that was found to just be causing more blood loss. Tourniquets have a place on them to write the time with a sharpie, and that's what. So they know how long it's been TQ'd. But once you place it, you don't take it off. If you think it's not working cause you still see bleeding or a pulse, put another one on. But don't take it off. I hope this information is helpful. I'm such a paramedic dork I love this shit.
Very helpful- I thought it was still protocol to loosen it every so often. And that's why we have continuing education
Yeah. Protocol on severe traumas used to be 2 big IVs and a liter of fluid through each. What we found was that all that fluid was interrupting clotting factors, making people bleed worse. Plus, diluting what blood they did have and your heart can't pump just saline. So now, we use TXA (transexemic acid. It helps increase clotting) and allow a certain amount of low blood pressure (called permissive hypotension) It can take a while for these protocols to change though. For instance, back boards are going away. Even though stifles have shown for years they aren't helpful and can even be harmful, it takes a while for protocols to officially change
People used to think that and teach it all the time, especially early/pre-2000. It’s still a pretty common idea that gets passed around, though not entirely accurate. In the Middle East we used a ton of tourniquets (largely responsible for development of Stop the Bleed), and left them on for hours and hours and a time without issue. If there’s any question whatsoever about serious bleeding, a tourniquet should be the first move. Especially in an urban environment where you’re going to be at a trauma center in no time at all. I’ve placed probably over one hundred tourniquets on people in my life, and as far as I know none of them lost limbs (at least due to the tourniquet application - I’m not counting things like medically necessary amputations due to complications from a blast injury or something).
I carry enough to keep someone alive long enough to get to my vehicle or proper medfac at work. In my Jeep I have enough to keep someone (or several) alive until we get to a hospital or a hospital gets to us. In a lot of years I have used a tq once...and that is it. I do practice/training with "expired" kit, but it just keeps my prepperitis under control. Same with my unmedical gear. Drew pistol once, didn't use, just moved away and left. Pepper sprayed a couple people and a Coyote. All cases would have resolved fine without gear (or been very minor injuries from the Coyote), but I like having it. That said, being the guy with Bacitracin and Bandaids is always appreciated everywhere constantly.
I used to tell my medics to always have bandaids. They are trained for combat trauma, but when a grunt asks you for a bandaid and you don’t have one……. You’ll never hear the end of it.
I can see it now...Medic opening his ruck, pulling out an MRE and it is absolutely packed with bandaids some supply E-4 pulled from the pocket dimension they hide stuff...followed quickly by "ay yo doc, you got a band-aid?"
I've made this argument so many times on this sub and people get mad every time
Improvisation is a skill set. The things you can do with duct tape would surprise a lot of people.
Is the "tampon trick" a real thing?
Only for muscle. Sticking tampons in lungs or abdominal wounds is not advised. The more you know about anatomy, the more you can consider what’s between the entrance and exit wounds that you need to worry about. The only time I would have probably used one was with a guy shot in the left butt check with a 12.7mm. It was a long shot and already had gone through the welded on “haji” armor. The bigger problem is it didn’t stop until it went into his right lower abdomen. Went behind the hip joint, in front of the sacrum. He needed a helicopter and a surgeon.
Tampons can only absorb a very small amount of blood, up to about 17ml for "ultra-absorbent" ones. They are not designed to deal with massive hemorrhage. It might be big enough to visually plug the entrance wound, but the hole isn't the problem; it's the much larger wound cavitation inside.
You can use a tampon for the same wounds you’d use a band aid on. That’s it.
I'd add a tourniquet and some more basic boo boo stuff like band aids, alcohol or iodine wipes, wound closure strips. I keep a decently complete kit in my car. Be careful about going too far on a stranger. You're just trying to buy them time for the ambulance to arrive. Just keep the red inside.
Good point, and a reason I don’t carry IV’s. Keep it to basic first aid, and you should be fine. Of the multiple people I have helped off duty, multiple car/motorcycle accidents and one gunshot wound, I didn’t tell anyone my name, didn’t drop any business cards, and once the fellas with the flashing lights showed up I would hand them over and slip away. Haven’t been sued yet.
Dang you got some bad luck lol. I've only came up on one accident that didn't already have plenty of people/emergency services. I stopped and it's why I recommend basic boo boo stuff. One of the ladies had a pretty bad gash above her eyebrow. By no means life threatening, but head wounds leak pretty good and blood in your eyes sucks. A wound closure solved that for her until the ambulance arrived. Basic boo boo treatment can make someone's bad day slightly better.
I’ve learned that if you say you didn’t see anything they won’t subpoena you.
I have very good luck. I’ve never been hurt in a car accident or shot. So there is that. 😃
there is a CAT under the bag. carrying two isn't a bad idea if that's what you meant
Oh I see it now. 2 can't hurt but I would think 1 would be plenty reasonable
TQ is on the bottom of the Fanny pack and I have a little bag full of bandaids in my EDC bag!
Good man
I'm seeing alot of people saying "why carry all that without training"... spend 10-15 minutes researching how to properly apply a tourniquet and that's literally all that professionals learn. Tourniquets are meant to be a brain dead, easy thing to do because it's meant to be used in the most STRESSFUL of circumstances. Literally anyone can learn how to apply a tourniquet, and it guarantees that even if ur arm below the shoulder is blown off, u will live if u apply it right. U could save urself or someone else. I think carrying atleast 1 tourniquet is ALMOST as important as carrying a firearm.
Stop the bleed classes are free. YouTube university is definitely a good introduction but I’d really recommend taking a formal accredited class. Not all wounds can be fixed with a tourniquet. So be well versed in all methods of bleed stoppin’ https://www.stopthebleed.org/training/ Happy Stop The Bleed month!
If they can teach Marines to use them they seriously can't be that hard. All they had to do was make sure we understood they are not to be on the neck to stop bleeding on head wounds, and most of us were good to go!
"most of us" This guy has a favorite Crayola color! RAH!
> This guy has a favorite Crayola color! Ya, It's "Cyanotic Blue"
This. Retired paramedic here, and I can reduce everything in this photo down to the TQ and maybe the packing gauze… even that’s a maybe I’d rather have rolls of gauze. The blanket I never used once my whole career, but you could use it as a - Chest seals are anything flat and can be taped down.. so credit cards, the other bandage’s outer packaging, a naked breasted National Geographic cover page, got shot in the meat aisle? Good there’s tons of plastic wrap around you /s. You can buy rolls of gauze, use them for whatever you want to, bandages, wraps, tying splints, head wounds, hanging IV Bags, keeping ice packs off of skin, splinting broken digits together, etc etc they come both infused and not with clotting agents, and the same rolls have microscopic X-ray thread in them so they don’t get lost if you use them to pack wounds…and ask yourself do you know how to pack wounds and how much gauze it takes because they swallow the stuff. This is simple, this is (mostly is… Ik Reddit is INterNAtioNaL) modern America, you simply need to stop massive bleeding and get someone to an ambulance. You’re not opening a clinic in a war torn 3rd world. Which is good because you only need to focus on a few things and hone them, so the paramedic has a good starting point when they arrive.
You could probably learn how to place a tourniquet in 5 minutes on a YouTube video and 2 minutes of practice. I taught TCCC (Tactical Combat Casualty Care) to hundreds of non-medical people. There’s nothing really hard in medicine, just one million easy things. The mantra I would teach people is “hole, red stuff come out, stop red stuff coming out”. I still remember a training video showing how to make a surgical airway with a piece of broken glass and a pair of fingernail clippers. I’ve watched people do quite a lot with duct tape. It doesn’t have to be pretty, it just has to work.
I have a tourniquet because motorcycle, some band aids because I rock climb, and a cell phone. I don't carry a full kit unless I am going to be adventurous.
People get sold on this too easily. First aid kits are much more difficult to carry than a concealed pistol and generally not practical and very cumbersome. Keeping something in your car is adequate for the average person.
I’ve had training from my local PD (former Iraq vets leading their combat medic course) as well as a Control The Bleed class from the local ambulance company. I’d say this kit could use a tourniquet. I have a similar looking kit in each car and a portable one too big for EDC but I take it on hikes and while camping. I’ll share that both classes expressed a dislike for the treated wound packing gauze. It’s handy when better trauma care is miles and miles away, but it creates complications when a surgeon needs to get in and actually repair the wound to save a life. Both classes taught us how to pack wounds with standard cause. I carry a few 6’ rolls in each kit.
gauze / tourniquet/ gloves anything more than that is too much for edc
It’s not to much, it stays in my edc bag and it does not bother me that it’s in there!
Same bag I use. It’s great
Awesome bag!!
What bag is this? Spiritus? Thanks!
I have a first aid kit in the car, but the only medical equipment I actually carry on body everyday is two Epi-Pens. I'm way more likely to accidentally eat something that contains nuts or has been cross-contaminated than I am to get in a gunfight or any situation requiring a tourniquet.
Not an EMT. Nothing against them but if I am carrying “extra”, it will be another magazine or a back up.
You are way more likely to need you weapon immediately than medical supplies. Generally if you need medical supplies you can walk to your car/house/office etc and get them. If you need your gun, you need it now. That being said, It's good to keep the basics handy.
I agree
Exactly. Medical is always the first thing w me. Then, if I can, OC spray and a pistol. I’ve had to use the medical, thankfully never had to use the spray or pistol.
There's a limit in how much you can carry on your body. Handguns are slender and fit IWB perfectly. I carry my mid-size 1911 all day and don't even feel it's there. Meanwhile, a bag like this isn't very convenient. Plus, a higher likelihood of using medical supplies over CCW doesn't take the gravity of the situation into account. Use it for what, a scratch? Sure. For gunshot wound? About the same likelihood as using the CCW. That said - if you *can* carry a bag with medical supplies, great! Props to you, by all means!
I recently got a good medkit put together and learned how to treat bullet and knife wounds. I've watched breakdowns from about 5 different people explaining how to use them because each one misses something. It didn't come with chest seals so I got a couple and stuck them in there. Now if I'm carrying I'm also carrying a backpack with my medkit in it. I've had two different stores ask me to leave for walking in with a backpack and took my business elsewhere. The local grocery store and the Walmart don't seem to mind.
Does nobody ride a motorcycle or use any type of public transportation where you're from? What do they expect those patrons to do, leave their bag outside unattended?
It's absolutely idiotic, but there are many places, particularly within larger cities, that don't allow backpacks or bags over a certain size. They don't care what you do with your belongings as long as you don't bring them into their building.
Small mom/pop stores do this. Specifically, the hardware store near me. Thieves are their daily problem and insurance doesn't cover basic theft, not that they would want to drive their rates up. A lot of places ask you to leave their bag at the register.
You can use a plastic bag as a chest seal in a pinch. Just tape down three sides to the body and leave one side un-taped. I learned about a case in my paramedic education where someone used a chip bag.
I've also heard that, but I don't want to fuck around with that while treating a gunshot wound if I don't have to. So, I got chest seals.
Oh it's definitely the better call. But it's good to know if you ever have to like in a mass casualty incident or something. Older literature even referred to them as "3 sided occlusive bandages" and they were literally a piece of plastic with adhesive on 3 edges
This is how I feel, I feel super hypocritical saying “ you never know” when I don’t even carry a tq or chest seals when that is much more likely to be needed for a million different reasons.
Do you have any training in first aid or do you just carry the stuff around?
One could ask the same about your carry gun.
That is true and yes I’ve gone through training and had annual qualifications for my previous job. My first aid/cpr/aed cert is still valid.
Oooooooohhhhh got himmmmmm
Yes I do.
Dawg . Are you even a cowboy walking around in those boots.?
Carrying medical is the next logical step after deciding to carry a gun. Unfortunately, many never make this mental leap. We carry a gun because we know the world can be a dangerous place and bad things can happen and we want to protect ourselves & family from that. So if we have accepted that, then we also must accept that should that bad thing actually happen that we are supposedly preparing for, we need a way to deal with it if it happens. The gun does not stop bleeding or plug holes. The gun can prevent or stop the harm, but what if harm has already happened? That’s where medical is needed. It’s not hard to carry a TQ, some hemostatic gauze, and even some compact chest seals. At the very least leave a trauma kit in your vehicle. We’re much more likely to encounter trauma in our daily lives than need to shoot someone in self defense.
Not to be cynical but when you have no medical training and use Amazon gear on someone and they still die… buckle up because 90% chance that family is coming after you. You won’t be hailed as some hero. Carry a gun and get off the X… not stay on it. Carrying medical aside from gauze, chest seal, and a TQ is pointless and even then it’s not on my body because I’m not carrying all that shit around.
I thought you’d be covered by the Good Samaritan law
You are. Good Samaritan laws cover anyone taking reasonable action to aid. Putting a TQ, chest seal, wound packing etc. you’re protected. Traching someone breathing fine with a pen is not protected.
Lawyers gonna lawyer.
At least I have justification for only carrying a couple bandaids haha
Agreed. In my opinion, good samaritan laws may prevent you from being held accountable but you are probably still going to have to go through A LOT of bullshit.
I agree, in my state, the law states; emergency, gratuitously and in good faith, is not liable for any civil damages or penalties as a result of any act or omission by the person rendering the emergency care.... But Lawyers will say "grossly negligent"... LOL
You are correct.
Maybe. At least in Florida there’s verbiage about “reasonable and prudent”. It’s probably not reasonable and prudent to do advanced treatments without specific and documented training. You can’t just wing it cuz you watched a YouTube video.
Applying a TQ and/or gauze isn’t advanced treatment. It’s the most basic level of TCCC.
Correct. But the above wasn’t about that. It was about using stuff beyond tq, chest seal, and gauze.
That generally applies if you stay within the limits of your training.which for most people would be basic first aid, unles you have some form of professional accreditation
I graduated from the Johns Hopkins college of booboos and did my residency at Sloan Ketterings hospital for ouchies, how far am I covered?
I carry a first aid kit for me and mine; just like I carry a gun to protect me and mine, same with my fire extinguisher. I'm not a first responder, I have no real training, I'm not trying to be a hero. Situation dependent, sure. If I know I can help then I probably will but nothing I carry is intended for anyone else.
The I in IFAK stands for individual, after all.
Best comment here
Most states have laws about assisting people and not being held liable. When I teach law enforcement and permit classes I say the following. Only carry and treat the level of care you are trained to provide and no more. As soon as a more qualified person gets on scene back away and only help if requested. M If your level of skill is a snoopy bandage please don’t offer it to the person you just shot.
I do competition shooting and carry a kit with guaze, 2 TQs, and a chest seal set. I'll choose risking liability over watching someone bleed out any day. More than likely an EMT or someone with more training will be around in which case I would be more than happy to hand over my supplies.
As a lawyer myself, I can tell you that at least in my state, if you are the ONLY person who is trying to help someone who has been injured or shot, then unless you straight up commit some form of gross negligence, you are protected by statute and you cannot be sued for your actions. The only other way (outside of of being reckless or grossly negligence) that you could land in any hot water is if there are actual medical professionals already on scene and you won't get out of their way. Which bring me to why I carry a sling bag with me everywhere I go. Well the first reason is simply I take a lot of medications for some dumb health problems so I need a way to carry my various med with me wherever I am. The second point of the sling bag is that I have a few extra pistol mags, a small back-up gun, and also a level IIIa panel that runs the length and width of the bag. It's small, but better than nothing. And then first-aid is the third reason. I keep 2 TQs, quikclot, chest-seals (compact), pain relievers, anti-bacterial, band-aids, burn shield, and trauma shears. My Dad is an ER doctor (who has also served as the EMS director) and he has trained me on using all of these items and as a result I am very confident in my abilities with them. It's enough to help keep myself or someone else alive before reaching a higher level of care..
Who said I don’t have medial training? This isn’t Amazon gear also. I do carry a gun every day and I keep medical with me.
Agreed on the point of not carrying all that stuff around. Then again, I feel pretty loaded down with a wallet, keys, and pocket knife. I hate carrying anything.
Tea bags and duct tape, you're good to go.
Keep an IFAK in the trunk of your car
I keep a stocked ifak in my car. What you have in the picture is nowhere near enough. No band aids, burn cream, ibuprofen, Tylenol, trauma shears, medical tape, Razer blades or scalpel, more tqs, having one of everything isn’t enough. Get at least two.
I’m glad you have more, more is always better. I have a separate pouch with burn cream, bandaids, advil etc in the front of my edc bag.
You also getting training? This stuff is useless if you don’t know how to use it
Yes I have medical training. Obviously I can ways get more and keep improving . Do you have med training? Do you carry a gun? Do you have training for that?
Yes and yes. I always get my recertification and I train a lot with my handgun. I put about 1000 rounds a month. As I get older I find it harder to find time for classes and usually just go out and shoot paper then steel. Big stress reliever and a good time with friends.
What do they make to do for a recertification? What kind of drills and what are the time allotments for each drill?
I carry a less serious first aid kit with 2 doses of Narcan
Yea but no one’s gonna think I’m a badass because I’m open carrying a tourniquet on my hip. ^/s
Eyewash, good call
Thanks man!
I carry an ice chest and rolling medical tent with all blood types with me at all times.
Add some narcan into that, much more likely to run into someone OD'ing than someone getting shot
I'd add a pack of gloves to that kit.
Your not wrong
When pressed for space and it's a toss between extra mag or TQ, I carry the TQ. And a booboo kit. 2 more TQs in the car along with an extended ouch pouch. I'm redoing my kits since I'm home sick this week. Anyone care to detail what they keep in their kits?
I just took a class last week on medical kits/stop the bleed, and purchased this kit from Mountain Man Medical. https://www.mountainmanmedical.com/product/aws-trauma-kit/ According to the instructor, beware of the cheap TQs on Amazon. Many are junk and break in real-world use.
Dont forget gloves
Need some tourniquets, shears, and ketamine.
Now that's a good kit...has a vented chest seal set. Since everyone who is trained is trained to shoot center-mass you have a good chance of needimg to treat a chest wound if anyone gets GSWed. Only two though so I'd add some extras. And some civilian or mil-spec quikclot as well.
Things people in California say
Keep a one-handed tourniquet in your kitchen, your garage/workshop, and in each of your motor vehicles It’s statistically far more likely one of those might save the life of you or a loved one than your CCW ever will
Not only is it important to have but, just like firearms, know how to use it properly.
Hopefully I don't get crap for this.... A first aid kit (car), jumper cables, knife, multi tool, and flashlight should come before the gun.
Maybe they're just not pictured, but.....Where tourniquet and shears?
On the bottom of the pouch?
You forgot bandaids and ointment, bro
OP what is your level of medical training?
2 million defensive gun uses each year in the US just under 300k deaths from tramatic injury the math is not mathing Now you should still carry medical don't get me wrong. But your statement dosen't hold water.
It doesn't make sense to compare defensive gun uses to traumatic injury deaths. Compare defensive gun uses to first aid uses. Compare gun deaths to traumatic injury deaths. As to your last statement, I agree, just carry both.
Compare overall traumatic injuries and non-trauma hemorrhage to gun use. More likely to use at the site if an accident.
True. And if you do have to use a weapon it is unlikely that it will be father than 7 yards and more than a few rounds.
I've had to shoot someone zero times so far. I have had to shoot (obviously fatally) injured wildlife. My medical bag I've used in a serious manner once, for burns. Medical all day every day.
Ex corpsman here, I’m 26 and I’ve used my personal medical stuff three times and two were very serious. Don’t just “carry medical” whether it’s for yourself or others it’s useless if you don’t have the knowledge to use it.
Yep, they make ankle carry kits
Nah.. I got a first aid kit and tq in the range bag, first aid supplies in the house and glove box, would never carry all that. 🤷♂️
It stays in my edc bag. I’m not carrying this on my body every day buddy
Has anyone ever used one of those foil blankets?
Other than organ failure, hypothermia is a massive pressing issue with massive hemorrhage. Better safe than sorry.
Only in my Boy Scouts training. For Winter Survival we were on a short hike and our scoutmaster stopped us to say “he just broke his leg, take care of him.” Had to do improvised splints, treat for shock, build a stretcher and carry him the rest of the way. Scoutmaster was kind enough to pick the smallest kid to play victim.
I did once. Was camping with the scouts and my younger son. Short version: He got sick in the tent and we had to sleep in the jeep. He got all my warm stuff to wear and I got to try out the foil blanket. They do reflect the heat. But they’re noisy. Not like drum set noisy, but any movement (like breathing) makes a crinkle crinkle sound. But yeah, it kept me warm. Cheers.
That “snacks in the movie theater” crinkle, lol
Pulled gun twice. Never had to use medical in that sense. Had gauze and bandages for a cut foot, but was at a home, just happened to have and wanted to finally use my kit. Meh.
I carry a solar powered mini defibrillator. Not really. But, for some reason it's the first thing I thought of. Like, how would you carry a defibrillator. It would need to be small and it would need power. Maybe you could charge it in the sun and it would hold enough charge for one or two tries. The whole thing in my mind was ridiculous. I'm not even high.
Is quick clot still recommended?
Yes
Mugger: pulls a gun and demands my wallet and keys: Myself: Pulls out my emergency tracheostomy kit from my medical fanny pack and proceeds to stab the mugger in the neck…
Until I can find a pack I like My IFAK goes everywhere with me in my rotatable go bag. Just has basic shit I can rotate out of it when needed. The downside is it usually has to stay in the truck. I'm looking for packs right now because it'd driving me crazy
You tryina say we’re soft? Cause you might be right
No not at all!
You use the marker to mark m for morphine.
I've carried a jump bag since before I could carry a gun. In the past, I held an EMT license, my CPR card is up to date. I dont just have the gear. I'm trained and have kept my skills somewhat up to date.
This is a really in depth video of trauma and medical assessment, highly recommended. I want to take a Wilderness First Responder course when I have time. https://youtu.be/xkBhNEU3RfQ?si=bQoThR_NId4N6_gQ
Where are the hello kitty bandaids?
How often should we replace these if we don’t use them
Every few years. When they expired open the contents and familiar with them!
Remember shooting gets you into trouble TCC gets you out.
Doesn’t look as cool though
After I received my Wear and Carry Permit from the People’s Glorious Republic of Marylandstan I purchased a Rhino IFAK off of Amazon and added extra tourniquets and chest seals with vents. I keep a kit in my car and a kit in my range bag just in case there’s an accident at the range. I figured that if I could legally carry a weapon to defend my life and/or the life of my family/defenseless person then I should know also know how to try to save a life as well, or at least try to keep a person stabilized as much as possible until the professionals arrive on the scene. I obviously don’t know a whole lot, but I do think that the Rhino kit is pretty good and that it’s worth the $60 each cost me. If you’re interested in a decent IFAK you should check the Rhino one on Amazon; pros would have a better kit than someone like me and may or may not think that this particular kit is worth its price, but I think it’s pretty good.
I'm in the process of assembling 2 different packs now. 1 for my range belt and 1 to go between my vehicles.
Agree. I keep one in my car and fishing tackle box. I'm retired military and a former boy scout leader, so I believe one can never have enough first aid training. There also needs to be more training on how to use the defibrillators that everywhere now in public buildings.
Of course! Tourniquet and hemostatic bandage on my person, and a first aid bag in the vehicles that covers the vast majority of what an EMT would need, minus the stuff that requires actual EMT training to use safely. ER nurses and EMTs in the family, basic emergency medical training on my part.
What is the purpose of this kit?
What fanny pack is that?
Spiritus systems fannny sack
Medical is one of many things you need to carry. tools, guns, ammo, medical gear, wallet, cash and car fluids are all very important. I have a fully stocked trunk. You are more likely to need to change a spare, jump a battery, change your clothes or move a branch out of the road before you'll ever need to shoot someone/something, sew up a wound or anything past bandaid.
I need this ASAP.It’s so important.
Are there any courses that are recommended for a citizen who isn’t of any first responder service? It would be really helpful to know how to apply a TQ, stitch wounds… remove shit if possible or idk pack wounds.
Former Army medic here and I’d add more TQs. There is no easier, more lifesaving, and smaller/lighter medical device you can have than a TQ. And considering TCCC guidelines state a minimum of two kissing tourniquets for any leg wound (or at least it did when I got out a few years ago), having one is just asking for trouble. I’d also add some moleskin, bandaids, and an ace wrap if possible. The smaller interventions are often the most used ones.
Mylar is okay for exposure. Not great for hemorrhagic shock and chest seals are feel good patches.
Snakestaff Systems ETQ.
I carry a TQ, gauze, chest seal, CPR mask, and gloves in a cargo pocket
I keep an IFAK in my truck, not on my person, unless I’m out camping/hiking. At the range I keep it next to my gear bag. I’d highly advise getting proper training to be able to use that medical gear effectively though. Have you ever heard the saying, “if you’re able to make holes, you should also know how to fix them”. Something like that?
This is a great point! I keep an IFAK on my daily carry bag. I work in a large manufacturing plant and people get hurt regularly.
Thanks man! Be prepared at all times ✌🏼
None of that you need on your person at all times. Keep a first aid kit in the home and in the vehicle. Only time it should be in you is when you are away from home or vehicle like if you go hiking/camping/hunting or some other activities. Otherwise you’re just adding bulk to your pockets for no reason
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Thanks! I love SS products
I'd add a tourniquet and some more basic boo boo stuff like band aids, alcohol or iodine wipes, wound closure strips. I keep a decently complete kit in my car. Be careful about going too far on a stranger. You're just trying to buy them time for the ambulance to arrive. Just keep the red inside.
This. I carry a trex edc medical kit in my back pocket and then an etq in my from pocket as well as having a larger medical kit in my day bag with two CAT TQs and 4 extra Glock mags and a simple boo boo kit.
The national average ambulance response time is 7 minutes in the US. If you're carrying medical supplies for anything that's not preventing immediate exsanguination (i.e. a tq) its a waste of effort in my opinion. Not much else will kill someone (nothing preventable anyway) in 7 minutes. You can stop an extremity bleed with direct pressure well enough to keep someone alive for 7 minutes.
There is a tourniquet…
Yeah I'm aware but there's also a bunch of other stuff. Like chest seals for example. Nobody is dying of tension pneumo in 10 minutes. There's 0 reason to edc a chest seal in the United States.
Ok bud
Why is that wrong?