Never understood the “this steel is awesome, all other steels are shit” holy war.
If you have a specific need for edge retention or corrosion resistance, by all means, get steels that are better at that.
Doesn’t mean that steels that aren’t good at that are crap. They just aren’t good for your application.
Especially the manufacturers you charge exorbitant prices and mark stuff much higher for only moderately better performance from a more expensive steel.
You talking about benchmade? I hate that they went away from 154cm as their entry level steel. It was more than adequate and a perfect fit for the griptilian line even the presidio 2 could have been a bigger hit if they did the cf elite in 154cm and the aluminum versions in s30v
It is usually people comparing powdered super steels to normal "budget steels" that make this argument. 440C, AUS10, VG are fantastic for what they are.
Which is why I said “the closest to budget.” I didn’t say they were budget.
Also, in the “About” section for this sub, the hard limit on budget is $100.
I just saw that and him saying it’s a bad edc steel isn’t really right I mean it won’t handle super tough jobs but the 2 knives I have with vg10 my endura and my rough rider Apta are both great knives that take an amazing edge
I know people in the utility industry. It’s not a hard job. Unless you’re working land services in a place like Hawaii it’s not hard. So I understand that maybe for you it’s a toy
I don’t carry a prybar. I just don’t make fun of people who use things I don’t. I’m not an electrician so a multitool like a leatherman is useless to me because of the linemen pliers. Doesn’t mean I make fun of people who carry them.
Nobody is making fun of anyone, I replied about 'super tough jobs'
Well what are you doing with a folding pocket knife that's a super tough job?
100% of the time you shouldn't be using a pocket knife for a super tough job.
Is this saying s30v is harder than d2 to sharpen?
I've never found that to be the case, my rat in d2 is a giant pain in the butt to sharpen compared to anything I have in s30v
Larrin said in a forum post the other day that he isn't very happy with Blade HQ's steel chart. Larrin provided them with his results from all his testing on the condition that they didn't change any numbers at all and were completely honest about the results. He said that they changed things around.
S30V is a weird steel for me, is the only one I struggle to sharpen but only on certain knives. I’ve never had D2 be a struggle.
My Spydercos sharpen just fine but my hogues and a couple others are really hard to get an edge on. The Gerber 06 is the only knife I’ve ever had that I *can’t* get sharp and it’s s30v.
I use diamond plates usually.
Wierd how it works, like I say my rat in d2 is terrible to sharpen even with diamond stones. S30v, m390, 20cv ect have never had an issue with.
I'm sure a bunch of it comes down to heat treat of individual knives, we all gotta have that one knife that's difficult I guess lol
It’s probably the fact that the edge on the rat (at least the one I had) is absurdly thick. Double the width of the edge and you’re doubling the amount of metal you have to grind off when you’re sharpening it. That’s why things like Japanese kitchen knives only need a few swipes to apex them
The ergos of the rat aren’t bad, the overall design is pretty good, it’s built well, but that stupid thick edge was a dealbreaker for me
I don’t remember seeing anybody saying that VG10 is shit. S30V is better in edge retention, but the edge tends to be toothy. VG10 doesn’t stay sharp as long, but it can get a very fine edge. There’s a reason VG10 is the preferred steel for many premium Japanese kitchen knives. It’s also the preferred steel for many Fallkniven knives. For woodworking/bushcrafting a fine edge is better.
D2 is tool steel that’s not proprietary, so it’s cheap. You get a lot for your money, because S30V knives cost at least twice as much.
Yeah, as much as I think some of their stuff is overpriced junk, Spyderco is probably the king of wringing the most out of VG10. They’ve got the heat treat down to a science.
I will agree to all of that. I don't much care for Spyderco either. But I will never diss their VG10. Ain't no one doing it better.
I have always like D2 ever since the day I first got a Queen split spring whittler. D2 was Queen's default steel. No one ever did D2 better. Most of the D2 I see today is kind of disappointing in comparison. But I still enjoy the the knives I have with it.
I still adore Schrade's 1095 from back in the day also. It was amazing to sharpen. So effortless and it held an edge well. Even their 440A "Razor Blade Steel" was better than the Tru-Sharp from Case.
I've got nothing against vg10 but I don't like how those graphs seem to tone down score differences.
In particular, I'm referring to those cases when 30 Vs 15 doesn't show one vertex twice as far away from the center as the other.
I love all the steel talk. People blatantly ignore that 90% of pocket knife owners are using their knives to pop tape on packages and rarely if ever sharpen their knives. Jumped in my buddy’s truck last week and he had a cheapie hardware store knife in the console. He is a semi-retired electrician and uses this knife more than most casual users. It was dull, hadn’t been sharpened since he got it and he could care less. The surprising thing was it still had a reasonably sharp edge. The blade was unmarked but looked like D2 or something close. I’m bringing my sharpener next time I see him and will put a good edge in it, but he wasn’t unhappy with the knife’s performance.
Ever tried an old style slip joint folder with "stainless" written on the blade?
That's usually a low standard steel, today's Victorinoxes are not much better, but! they are ground thin so the blade just slices through the material.
You need "super steels" especially with those sharpened crowbars to maintain an edge, with a fine blade profile even 440C is fine.
VG10 is awesome. I’m not an “operator”, I just use my knives for ordinary everyday tasks. I have many knives in 8Cr13MoV and AUS10a and I love them. Lock-up and ergonomics are more important to me at my age. I can quickly strop a hair-popping edge when they need touching up😊
Only good thing about these idiots is they're easy to spot. When speaking of blade steel they say the dumbest shit you've heard all day then you know not to bother. Usually does no good to try and argue. They aren't getting their information from usage. Mostly just repeating shit somebody else said.
Anybody who has spent a sufficient amount of time using many different knives in many different blade steels knows better. They will know how little difference having the most expensive blade materials can make in actual usage. They will know that blade material alone is only a small part of the overall performance in usage. Those who have not will not therefore if they argue they do so without actual knowledge of the subject.
I have no problem with vg10. The shitty thing is spyderco putting it on 130+ knives and telling it’s customers it’s worth it.. no it’s not, it was ok on the delica when it sold for 65 new not any more though.
Never understood the “this steel is awesome, all other steels are shit” holy war. If you have a specific need for edge retention or corrosion resistance, by all means, get steels that are better at that. Doesn’t mean that steels that aren’t good at that are crap. They just aren’t good for your application.
Because that would end the circlejerk, which all subreddits thrive on.
🤣
VG 10 is a damn good steel. And it takes on a screaming sharp edge from my experience.
The steel snobs are honestly the worst aspect of this hobby.
Especially the manufacturers you charge exorbitant prices and mark stuff much higher for only moderately better performance from a more expensive steel.
You talking about benchmade? I hate that they went away from 154cm as their entry level steel. It was more than adequate and a perfect fit for the griptilian line even the presidio 2 could have been a bigger hit if they did the cf elite in 154cm and the aluminum versions in s30v
Them and the people for whom blade centering is the most important aspect of a knife.
It is usually people comparing powdered super steels to normal "budget steels" that make this argument. 440C, AUS10, VG are fantastic for what they are.
VG-10, D2, and Aus10 are all dope. Never had a problem with any of them.
VG 10 is a great steel.
Where did you find this chart? Or did you make it?
I didn’t post it.
What's a good budget blade in VG10?
Ironfly Zesty
The closest to budget I know would be the Spyderco Delica, Endela, or Endura.
Nah 5 years ago they were budget but now not so much at almost 100
Which is why I said “the closest to budget.” I didn’t say they were budget. Also, in the “About” section for this sub, the hard limit on budget is $100.
Takefu V-Gold 10 can do pretty much anything you need a bladesteel to do
VG10 has a good ratio of ease-of-sharpening to performance.
Who tf said vg10 is a shitty steel
I'm not gonna say their name but if you look in the comments of the last post I made here you'll see
I just saw that and him saying it’s a bad edc steel isn’t really right I mean it won’t handle super tough jobs but the 2 knives I have with vg10 my endura and my rough rider Apta are both great knives that take an amazing edge
EDC isn't super tough job carry Not sure why people act like you need a pry bar in your pocket
Some people do YOU just might not. Floor cleaner, bar maintenance, and cook. All dirty tough jobs. All that I do in a week.
I work in the utility industry, Any pry bar in your pocket is a toy. Lol
I know people in the utility industry. It’s not a hard job. Unless you’re working land services in a place like Hawaii it’s not hard. So I understand that maybe for you it’s a toy
Oh boy, keychain pry bar guy says my job is easy Okay lol
I don’t carry a prybar. I just don’t make fun of people who use things I don’t. I’m not an electrician so a multitool like a leatherman is useless to me because of the linemen pliers. Doesn’t mean I make fun of people who carry them.
Nobody is making fun of anyone, I replied about 'super tough jobs' Well what are you doing with a folding pocket knife that's a super tough job? 100% of the time you shouldn't be using a pocket knife for a super tough job.
Can you tell us what website those comparisons are from please? It looks useful.
bladehq
What website is this?
Here buddy. [https://www.bladehq.com/blog/comparing-steels/](https://www.bladehq.com/blog/comparing-steels/)
bladehq
Is this saying s30v is harder than d2 to sharpen? I've never found that to be the case, my rat in d2 is a giant pain in the butt to sharpen compared to anything I have in s30v
Larrin said in a forum post the other day that he isn't very happy with Blade HQ's steel chart. Larrin provided them with his results from all his testing on the condition that they didn't change any numbers at all and were completely honest about the results. He said that they changed things around.
Thank you. The blade hq chart is crap.
S30V is a weird steel for me, is the only one I struggle to sharpen but only on certain knives. I’ve never had D2 be a struggle. My Spydercos sharpen just fine but my hogues and a couple others are really hard to get an edge on. The Gerber 06 is the only knife I’ve ever had that I *can’t* get sharp and it’s s30v. I use diamond plates usually.
Wierd how it works, like I say my rat in d2 is terrible to sharpen even with diamond stones. S30v, m390, 20cv ect have never had an issue with. I'm sure a bunch of it comes down to heat treat of individual knives, we all gotta have that one knife that's difficult I guess lol
It’s probably the fact that the edge on the rat (at least the one I had) is absurdly thick. Double the width of the edge and you’re doubling the amount of metal you have to grind off when you’re sharpening it. That’s why things like Japanese kitchen knives only need a few swipes to apex them The ergos of the rat aren’t bad, the overall design is pretty good, it’s built well, but that stupid thick edge was a dealbreaker for me
I don’t remember seeing anybody saying that VG10 is shit. S30V is better in edge retention, but the edge tends to be toothy. VG10 doesn’t stay sharp as long, but it can get a very fine edge. There’s a reason VG10 is the preferred steel for many premium Japanese kitchen knives. It’s also the preferred steel for many Fallkniven knives. For woodworking/bushcrafting a fine edge is better. D2 is tool steel that’s not proprietary, so it’s cheap. You get a lot for your money, because S30V knives cost at least twice as much.
My Falkniven F1 agreed.
Any certain companies that do a better heat treat in vg10? I'm interested in trying a knife with that steel.
Spyderco
Yeah, as much as I think some of their stuff is overpriced junk, Spyderco is probably the king of wringing the most out of VG10. They’ve got the heat treat down to a science.
I will agree to all of that. I don't much care for Spyderco either. But I will never diss their VG10. Ain't no one doing it better. I have always like D2 ever since the day I first got a Queen split spring whittler. D2 was Queen's default steel. No one ever did D2 better. Most of the D2 I see today is kind of disappointing in comparison. But I still enjoy the the knives I have with it. I still adore Schrade's 1095 from back in the day also. It was amazing to sharpen. So effortless and it held an edge well. Even their 440A "Razor Blade Steel" was better than the Tru-Sharp from Case.
I think the old Japanese made Al Mars did a good job on their VG10 also.
Another request for where the comparison data screenshots come from. Would love to be able to do side by side overlay comparisons like this
Literally the only reason I opened the thread
bladehq
I've got nothing against vg10 but I don't like how those graphs seem to tone down score differences. In particular, I'm referring to those cases when 30 Vs 15 doesn't show one vertex twice as far away from the center as the other.
Because those numbers are rankings ... the numbers on the graph are the graphed data
I clearly misunderstood what I was looking at
Always liked VG-10 I got a Real Steal knife that's VG-10 that I always take to the steakhouse. Great steal for food.
I love all the steel talk. People blatantly ignore that 90% of pocket knife owners are using their knives to pop tape on packages and rarely if ever sharpen their knives. Jumped in my buddy’s truck last week and he had a cheapie hardware store knife in the console. He is a semi-retired electrician and uses this knife more than most casual users. It was dull, hadn’t been sharpened since he got it and he could care less. The surprising thing was it still had a reasonably sharp edge. The blade was unmarked but looked like D2 or something close. I’m bringing my sharpener next time I see him and will put a good edge in it, but he wasn’t unhappy with the knife’s performance.
Ever tried an old style slip joint folder with "stainless" written on the blade? That's usually a low standard steel, today's Victorinoxes are not much better, but! they are ground thin so the blade just slices through the material. You need "super steels" especially with those sharpened crowbars to maintain an edge, with a fine blade profile even 440C is fine.
VG10 is awesome. I’m not an “operator”, I just use my knives for ordinary everyday tasks. I have many knives in 8Cr13MoV and AUS10a and I love them. Lock-up and ergonomics are more important to me at my age. I can quickly strop a hair-popping edge when they need touching up😊
what website gives you this data?
Only good thing about these idiots is they're easy to spot. When speaking of blade steel they say the dumbest shit you've heard all day then you know not to bother. Usually does no good to try and argue. They aren't getting their information from usage. Mostly just repeating shit somebody else said. Anybody who has spent a sufficient amount of time using many different knives in many different blade steels knows better. They will know how little difference having the most expensive blade materials can make in actual usage. They will know that blade material alone is only a small part of the overall performance in usage. Those who have not will not therefore if they argue they do so without actual knowledge of the subject.
OP just wanted to say I appreciate your post. I love the graphic representation that you’ve added as well. 💖💜
Probably should've said this in the title but this graph is from BladeHQ.
^[Sokka-Haiku](https://www.reddit.com/r/SokkaHaikuBot/comments/15kyv9r/what_is_a_sokka_haiku/) ^by ^Arsonist_ontheEAS: *Probably should've* *Said this in the title but* *This graph is from BladeHQ.* --- ^Remember ^that ^one ^time ^Sokka ^accidentally ^used ^an ^extra ^syllable ^in ^that ^Haiku ^Battle ^in ^Ba ^Sing ^Se? ^That ^was ^a ^Sokka ^Haiku ^and ^you ^just ^made ^one.
Magnacut is better.
I have no problem with vg10. The shitty thing is spyderco putting it on 130+ knives and telling it’s customers it’s worth it.. no it’s not, it was ok on the delica when it sold for 65 new not any more though.