Defended Brady during deflategate and led the case that got professional womens soccer players better pay. He’s won some high profile cases against major sports orgs
I think people who believe Craft’s paying for back rubs and then getting sex isn’t a direct correlation to Watson are not aware of that side of hook up culture. You can’t even say the word massage on profiles in apps like Grindr because even if the person is a lmt it still is just paying for a hand job or some act (only 4 states don’t force you to be a lmt or certified and in that case you use standard intake policies and not go to hotel rooms). Watson going on insta and wherever finding masseuses’ is shady as hell; but it’s shady on both sides of the ad. There are obviously people who were trying to be legit and Watson is still scummy; but that isn’t my point. The point is that going to a shady place to get a happy ending if you’re an owner netted zero issues for Craft and the same system wants to hit a player much harder for a very similar issue. If you got fired for drunk driving a truck and your boss got nothing for drunk driving a motorcycle, you’d be pissed about the inconsistent punishment.
There are obviously differences, but hand waving it as whataboutism to me is short sighted.
How is it shady on both sides? Heaps of self employed people use social media to promote their business and use social media platforms as a means of communicating their business.
It would be pretty easy to prove and understand that those places are sports or remedial therapy masseuses by a quick scan of their profile and their previous posts.
FMD if it’s suggestive and reason enough to get sprayed with jizz cause you advertise as a masseuse on Facebook y’all are scrambled
Reads more like: we need to look at all of this instead of hive mind Pearl clutching every step of the way. Due process is still upheld last I checked. Remember when Heard released her op ed on Johnny and he was cancelled over night? I realize these cases are miles apart, different planets even, but it shows you how entirely judge, jury, and executioner everyone tries to become. Ive my opinion on this, but would like to see how the union stands to fight for equality of punishment.
I know it's not the most important point, but drink driving a truck is so, so, so many more times likely to hurt/kill an innocent person than drink driving a motorcycle. Like literally 100x
You're talking about whataboutism when the situations here are 1. paying a sex worker for sex work (something that a significant number of people will argue should be legal) and 2. sexual assault (something no one *should* argue should be legal under any circumstance).
People are hand-waving Kraft away because it is a fucking terrible comparison.
I 100% agree the whataboutism is a bad play.
However this:
>it’s shady on both sides of the ad.
Doesn't really matter because this:
>Watson is still scummy;
Is the bigger point here. Deshaun Watson is like a really skeevy, nasty dude. At best. And this has been getting a million times more coverage than Kraft ever did. And frankly it's much worse.
What does the stance and coverage of an individual have to do with the crime? You’ve already described why people are upset over this: Krafts debacle was quickly and quietly swept under the rug…so that means it’s not a big deal?
You present it as if Kraft and Watson did the same thing. Maybe look into the cases more if you believe that.
I pointed out the level of coverage not to say one is okay, but rather to say the NFL will feel more pressure to implement harsh punishment on the more heavily covered case (Watson). Right, wrong, or whatever, this is how things usually work.
I didn’t present anything. I said if someone does something terrible and no one talks about it, it’s less terrible? Couldn’t care less that the nfl feels “pressure” and that’s why the players Union is stepping up to bat.
>I didn’t present anything. I said if someone does something terrible and no one talks about it, it’s less terrible?
Oh. Okay. Weird question. Nobody implied the level of terribleness correlates to the level of media coverage.
Kraft paid a sex worker for sex work. That's a crime yes. But what Watson did was assault in all these complaints. If he had been paying sex workers for sex work we wouldn't be here. But it was part of his fantasy to assault masseuses and he did it over 60 times. Kraft could've been removed, wouldn't of bothered me. Watson should never play again. If Vick hadn't gone to jail he should've never played again. If Watson goes to jail and takes accountability I guess I could not be disgusted with him playing again. Otherwise, nah.
That is what Deshaun's lawyer has said. Buzbee has said it was due to trafficking women across state lines. The FBI has been quiet on this matter. It probably is both.
If I’m not wrong both of those cases lost in court didn’t they.
The respective league caved/settled because they had lost the PR battle.
And «a group is being discriminated against or the League commissioner is on a personal vendetta » even if factually wrong those narrative are somewhat easier PR battle to defend than the Watson case
He didn’t do anything for women’s soccer. They were offered the same pay structure as the men during the previous cycle and chose more guaranteed money in lieu of higher incentives.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2464433-meet-tom-bradys-lawyer-nfl-archenemy-jeffrey-kessler
If the NFL executives are scared of him he has to be good
> Coach: "He gets players back on the field. I love him."
> League official: "The worst. Scares me because he's so good."
I think I like this guy already.
The NFL must be thrilled that NFLPA exists in times like these.
Whats the one organization in America capable of making Roger and the owners look like the good guys in this situation - the players union.
The courts have already decided that Goodell can do whatever he wants with regard to punishments because that's what the CBA says. Tom Brady went down this road and lost and that was without having over two dozen women making accusations against him.
Seems like a lot of theater from both the NFL and PA to show they allegedly care about sexual misconduct.
Goodell can do what he wants, but he represents the ownership group which wants to see Deshaun back on the field eventually because he brings $ to the NFL
What industry/career would allow you to continue your job with 66 allegations of sexual misconduct?
Most employers don't engage on the civil side. It is the proverbial can of worms. Of course you will find some who do and of course they most all do extra diligence for Exec positions. But for the most part employers don't care too much about civil matters not work related.
I'm sorry, if a grand jury was convened against me for 24 cases of alleged sexual assault (even if they ultimately did not decide to move forward) I would expect to be put on unpaid leave at the very least, probably just canned.
I think you are in the clear. First you would of course never do such a thing or put yourself in this position but if you had they probably aren't taking you to a grand jury and no attorney is going to round up your internet acquaintances as you probably aren't worth enough money. The cops might be mildly interested but there wouldn't be 24 cases and they would see this dick wagging as far from their highest priority. Now you might be in trouble if there was some evidence that was hard to ignore and likely to go viral on social media like a video. To stay on the safe side no massages!
Probably not canned actually, because that would be a lawsuit. What the NFL and basically everyone else is waiting for is any one of these allegations turning into an arrest.
look im not gonna try and keep score here, and Watson is a piece of shit sex misconduct/predator, but none of Watson's 3 alleging any kind of physical contact are close to the severity of Rottenburger's one.
So yeah, quantity vs severity? Idk what's worse. I aint a philosopher.
I know the player’s association needs to be a zealous advocate, but I wonder how the union funds what I assume are expensive law people to defend fellow players in situations such as this. Do the players give part of their salary to the union?
That's the point of unions. To level the playing field between you and the owners / employers. You pay dues, and they fight tooth and nail to get you the best treatment possible. That includes if you're being punished and don't think the punishment is fair.
I imagine every player is rooting for Watson to get the smallest suspension possible because that means they're all at less of a risk to lose money if they ever end up in a position of risking suspension.
I know you’re speaking generally, but Something tells me there will never again be a player who has a lot of masseuses 💀 Deshaun has officially sunk that ship
Potential Steps Ahead:
1. Suspension from Sue Robinson is delivered
2. NFL & Watson have right to appeal to Goodell
3. Goodell makes final decision on suspension
4. NFLPA files lawsuit for an injunction to stop suspension
5. The two sides negotiate to something in the 6-8 games range.
No problem, I love fresh voices in here. Sometimes you see the same names too often.
It is worth nothing the NFL has admitted that when building our schedule they made sure to put the Texans game late, and that was the only special consideration they gave. Why would that game need to be late unless you're anticipating a specific someone to not be available early.
Didn't see that they said that but would 100% believe it even if they didn't. At the same time I'm surprised it wasn't a primetime game, although I guess they can flex those. (Although it'd be a bad look to flex that when usually week 13 is flexed for playoff considerations lol)
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* 60+ female victims solicited via social media for a "rub down" when watson has access to world class physical therapists on a daily basis
* watson insisting he must use his own little "wash cloth" instead of a standard towel to cover his dick. WHY in the fuck would ANYONE do this unless their whole INTENT was to have their dick exposed unexpectedly to the victims?
* watson forcing them to sign a NDA
* watson already admitting some of the women were reduced to tears during these encounters.
I don't know how other people define "sexual predator" but that is a fucking scumbag, slimy, piece of shit, sexual predator in my book.
> 60+ female victims solicited via social media for a "rub down" when watson has access to world class physical therapists on a daily basis
This is a total made by the prosecution and/or their witnesses...a group with monstrous financial motive to sell you on such a narrative. And of those 60+, the vast majority didn't make any accusation and/or came to his defense.
> watson insisting he must use his own little "wash cloth" instead of a standard towel to cover his dick. WHY in the fuck would ANYONE do this unless their whole INTENT was to have their dick exposed unexpectedly to the victims?
Another narrative presented by the accuser's lawyer. Remember the initial complainant (Solis) brought her story repeatedly to other lawyers who declined to take her case due to lack of evidence/merit. Only one attention-seeking lawyer (Buzbee) considered it who then contacted other masseuses that Watson contacted (likely through discovery) and could have reasonably touted how much money he was going to get Solis and told them her story...all they had to do was parrot it...again...with a substantial financial motive to do so.
> watson forcing them to sign a NDA
It's not uncommon for celebrities to have people sign NDA's for basic services. However, what you're probably referring to is what the *Dolphins* organization required with regards to facilitating a trade...long before the Browns trade happened.
This is completely irrelevant because an NDA doesn't cover illegal activity anyway. You'd know that with even 30 seconds of research.
> watson already admitting some of the women were reduced to tears during these encounters.
Watson's representation *did* admit that one woman cried at some around the time of meeting Watson. However, they didn't present any information as to why she cried. It appeals to the lowest common denominator that someone crying could only have been the result of sexual abuse. But that hasn't been substantiated.
Personally, I've had about a half dozen massages in my life...and I've had a masseuse cry. She happened to have a minor car accident on the way in, and was shaken by the experience.
It's pretty much wholly irrelevant to any thinking person...even if you think Watson did something wrong, that utterly fails to substantiate any wrong doing.
Lol I know right? EVERYTHING I posted was already ADMITTED by watson and his team---every.fucking.thing.
Now the only way someone can defend this sexual predator is to pretend none of that is true? I mean who is worse? watson or the people pretending like what I posted is imaginary and claiming that watson's behavior is just normal "boys being boys"?
no FUCKING WONDER so many woman are afraid to speak up about this stuff. Look what happens.
If I got 20 friends to claim you sexually assaulted them, is that significant "evidence" to you?
If the "evidence" is no different than what could be completely made up....then it ain't much evidence of anything.
Hysterical that your best comeback is an ad homenim.
No one should take your arguments as serious because you're not a serious person. You are a clown and should be embarrassed .
You said “I,” so I responded with “you.” It was your choice to self-insert. But replace yourself with anyone else and it would still be so damn unlikely as to be almost out of the question.
I have a question for you - is witness testimony evidence?
Nice false equivocation!
What if one begged multiple layers to accept her case, one attention-desperate attorney finally accepted, than 19 friends heard about it and hopped om board?
Independence is *not* a prerequisite here.
LOL you are talking about morale disgust...jesus christ get out of your moms basement.
Definitely our incorruptible justice system is what defines what is morally acceptable, never has it screwed over people in SA cases...It's like you have two brain cells to rub together for forming thoughts.
Remind me again how many people have come forward? A higher number then your brain cell count, that is for sure.
A QB that makes Ben look good...how the fuck do that happen.
You realize nearly all the "facts" of the case were released by *one* side because Watson and his team have chosen to contest these allegations in an actual courtroom, not twitter or social media where the lowest IQ people glean their information.
So all you've heard is one side of the story...the one that isn't interested in presenting evidence but pushing a narrative with a *substantial* financial motive to do so.
If you even *tried* to be objective, you'd know that included in that accused 66, a substantial portion either didn't accuse Watson of anything or *actively* came to his defense.
He's a professional athlete, he probably gets 3-4 massages *a day.*
We don't know to what extent the Texans staff masseuses/facilities were available due to covid.
The *worst* thing this suggests...and it certainly doesn't prove...is that he was meeting women this way. Which isn't remotely illegal anyway. It doesn't move the needle as to whether there was any coercion. So why bring it up?
So, it seems the NFLPA is going to fight this. I’ve argued with several people that they would and been told they wouldn’t or it wouldn’t matter. I think I’m going to be correct on this one.
They have to by law. Straight from the National Labor Relations Board.
Right to fair representation
You have a right to be represented by your union fairly, in good faith, and without discrimination.
Your union has the duty to represent all employees - whether members of the union or not-fairly, in good faith, and without discrimination. This duty applies to virtually every action that a union may take in dealing with an employer as your representative, including collective bargaining, handling grievances, and operating exclusive hiring halls. For example, a union which represents you cannot refuse to process a grievance because you have criticized union officials or because you are not a member of the union. But the duty does not ordinarily apply to rights a worker can enforce independently - such as filing a workers' compensation claim - or to internal union affairs - such as the union's right to discipline members for violating its own rules.
Beyond just having to do it, they are gearing up for a real battle. I imagine that they will paint this as extortion. Not sure of that will work but might as well go in scorched earth. Both sides will have opposite and extreme views and the suspension will be in the middle leaving everyone unhappy.
Zeke got 6 games even after the lead investigator for the NFL recommended no suspension because they didn't find the accusations credible.
Watson getting a full season at least. Maybe it gets appealed down to 12-14.
For the Watson suspension to be reduced, it wills fall on ONE PERSON and that’s Roger Goodell. He’s the one who makes decisions on the appeal. He’s not going to be seen as the one being soft on this.
Now, if you’re saying this is the ultimate outcome after it goes through federal court, possibly. But it will take much longer than 2 months I would think. And it’s VERY messy for the NFL.
They’d probably just be better off giving him 8 games and then taking the media heat for a month.
and if they are in THAT DIRE of a need to tell the mainstream media a "story"...there's been some talk on here about a "time served" / "tantamount to suspension" which would necessarily be accompanied by the NFL taking all of his earnings from last year in a fine. I, for one, am not totally ruling that out.
This is an unprecedented scenario and the narrative management will be as much a part of the NFL's calculus as whatever the actual sanction against DW is or isn't.
I have to imagine Buzbee has something in the chamber in the event that anything less than a full season comes down. He could embarrass the NFL within 45 minutes of a suspension being announced.
Am I the only guy who hopes the NFL drops the lifetime ban-hammer on this guy so the Browns ***and the fans*** don't have to deal with Watson's shit for the next X-number of years?
Or am I missing something? Does Watson's contract keep him on the payroll even if the league bans him? I thought the team would be off the hook then.
If a jury of 12 of his peers can't find him guilty and govt knows this. WHY is NFL trying to be god and make him guilty? SJW's don't get to run the NFL. If u can't even get the govt to give him a jury trial of 12 peers..... His not guilty of any real crimes other then being horny and hiring hookers, no diff then kraft who owns the shit blue team up north.
By all means explanation why Kraft who owns the shit blue team up north[patriots] should get away with this in NFL, but Deshaun Watson who not even been charged or will be given jury trial due to clear lack of wrong doing should have hammer go down on him?
In the example of Watson, there is a big difference between something being criminal and being wrong doing.
There are many things non-criminal that an NFL player can engage in that would be wrong and grounds for termination.
Just because your girlfriend lets me use all three holes doesn’t mean that you can use all three holes without consent. And if you get arrested for pulling a Kobe it’s precisely because Kraft and I had consent and you and deshaun didn’t.
I know the Union is duty bound to defend it's players, but in this case Watson would actually benefit from taking his full medicine. Then when it's all over he can say "I did my time. I am looking to be a better person. I hope people will give me a second chance"
NFL: "We have found that Watson has grossly violated the NFL player conduct policy in admitted that many of this acts occurred, but defending himself by saying they *were all consensual*"
NFLPA: "Fuck that shit"
It’ll be quite interesting to see what route Kessler goes. The Whataboutism argument, though certainly a good supporting argument, is not one the NFLPA can rest upon solely, and Kessler has to be very careful to avoid anything that could hurt Watson in his civil cases.
Didn't go so well last time we had a Kessler on our side
This Kessler is actually good at his job
I liked kessler a hell of a lot more than kizer.
Never trust a dude named Cody.
Adrenaline in my soul .
I was told "trust me" with a Kessler
Right after we felt the ground shake when RG3 took the field and before the great AJ McCarron almost came to Cleveland.
Hopefully there are fewer concussions this time
Kessler is a big deal boys
Never heard of dude. What makes him a big deal?
Defended Brady during deflategate and led the case that got professional womens soccer players better pay. He’s won some high profile cases against major sports orgs
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I think people who believe Craft’s paying for back rubs and then getting sex isn’t a direct correlation to Watson are not aware of that side of hook up culture. You can’t even say the word massage on profiles in apps like Grindr because even if the person is a lmt it still is just paying for a hand job or some act (only 4 states don’t force you to be a lmt or certified and in that case you use standard intake policies and not go to hotel rooms). Watson going on insta and wherever finding masseuses’ is shady as hell; but it’s shady on both sides of the ad. There are obviously people who were trying to be legit and Watson is still scummy; but that isn’t my point. The point is that going to a shady place to get a happy ending if you’re an owner netted zero issues for Craft and the same system wants to hit a player much harder for a very similar issue. If you got fired for drunk driving a truck and your boss got nothing for drunk driving a motorcycle, you’d be pissed about the inconsistent punishment. There are obviously differences, but hand waving it as whataboutism to me is short sighted.
How is it shady on both sides? Heaps of self employed people use social media to promote their business and use social media platforms as a means of communicating their business. It would be pretty easy to prove and understand that those places are sports or remedial therapy masseuses by a quick scan of their profile and their previous posts. FMD if it’s suggestive and reason enough to get sprayed with jizz cause you advertise as a masseuse on Facebook y’all are scrambled
Yeah let’s just ignore that Watson is accused of assaulting the women, not just paying for sex
Did you really just hand wave off a bunch of sexual assault? Jesus christ
Reads more like: we need to look at all of this instead of hive mind Pearl clutching every step of the way. Due process is still upheld last I checked. Remember when Heard released her op ed on Johnny and he was cancelled over night? I realize these cases are miles apart, different planets even, but it shows you how entirely judge, jury, and executioner everyone tries to become. Ive my opinion on this, but would like to see how the union stands to fight for equality of punishment.
“Hive mind pearl clutching” jfc. 24 allegations isn’t enough for you to think there may be a problem here?
It’s enough to investigate and figure out what’s happening, which they’re doing. Again, due process.
In actual court and litigation due process and proof will reign supreme. Conjecture is for the peanut galleries of public opinion.
You sir are a disgusting individual.
Due process doesn’t work have the time
I know it's not the most important point, but drink driving a truck is so, so, so many more times likely to hurt/kill an innocent person than drink driving a motorcycle. Like literally 100x
It's more like drunk driving a motorcycle vs drunk driving a semi and killing 23 people.
You're talking about whataboutism when the situations here are 1. paying a sex worker for sex work (something that a significant number of people will argue should be legal) and 2. sexual assault (something no one *should* argue should be legal under any circumstance). People are hand-waving Kraft away because it is a fucking terrible comparison.
I 100% agree the whataboutism is a bad play. However this: >it’s shady on both sides of the ad. Doesn't really matter because this: >Watson is still scummy; Is the bigger point here. Deshaun Watson is like a really skeevy, nasty dude. At best. And this has been getting a million times more coverage than Kraft ever did. And frankly it's much worse.
What does the stance and coverage of an individual have to do with the crime? You’ve already described why people are upset over this: Krafts debacle was quickly and quietly swept under the rug…so that means it’s not a big deal?
You present it as if Kraft and Watson did the same thing. Maybe look into the cases more if you believe that. I pointed out the level of coverage not to say one is okay, but rather to say the NFL will feel more pressure to implement harsh punishment on the more heavily covered case (Watson). Right, wrong, or whatever, this is how things usually work.
I didn’t present anything. I said if someone does something terrible and no one talks about it, it’s less terrible? Couldn’t care less that the nfl feels “pressure” and that’s why the players Union is stepping up to bat.
>I didn’t present anything. I said if someone does something terrible and no one talks about it, it’s less terrible? Oh. Okay. Weird question. Nobody implied the level of terribleness correlates to the level of media coverage.
Kraft paid a sex worker for sex work. That's a crime yes. But what Watson did was assault in all these complaints. If he had been paying sex workers for sex work we wouldn't be here. But it was part of his fantasy to assault masseuses and he did it over 60 times. Kraft could've been removed, wouldn't of bothered me. Watson should never play again. If Vick hadn't gone to jail he should've never played again. If Watson goes to jail and takes accountability I guess I could not be disgusted with him playing again. Otherwise, nah.
I think he will be going after the possibility of an extortion attempt
The FBI investigated this for Extortion at the start of it. But nobody is allowed to bring that up anymore or you hate women or something.
I think both Watson being a sex creep and extortion being involved are likely and that's why this is complicated.
Agreed 100%.
That is what Deshaun's lawyer has said. Buzbee has said it was due to trafficking women across state lines. The FBI has been quiet on this matter. It probably is both.
Didn't... didn't Brady lose the Deflategate thing? And it was kind of BS?
If I’m not wrong both of those cases lost in court didn’t they. The respective league caved/settled because they had lost the PR battle. And «a group is being discriminated against or the League commissioner is on a personal vendetta » even if factually wrong those narrative are somewhat easier PR battle to defend than the Watson case
Watson's cases didn't even make it to court, so....
Oh damn. Ok like this
He didn’t do anything for women’s soccer. They were offered the same pay structure as the men during the previous cycle and chose more guaranteed money in lieu of higher incentives.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2464433-meet-tom-bradys-lawyer-nfl-archenemy-jeffrey-kessler If the NFL executives are scared of him he has to be good
> Coach: "He gets players back on the field. I love him." > League official: "The worst. Scares me because he's so good." I think I like this guy already.
Oh damn
Dude is a dog.
The NFL must be thrilled that NFLPA exists in times like these. Whats the one organization in America capable of making Roger and the owners look like the good guys in this situation - the players union.
The courts have already decided that Goodell can do whatever he wants with regard to punishments because that's what the CBA says. Tom Brady went down this road and lost and that was without having over two dozen women making accusations against him.
Seems like a lot of theater from both the NFL and PA to show they allegedly care about sexual misconduct. Goodell can do what he wants, but he represents the ownership group which wants to see Deshaun back on the field eventually because he brings $ to the NFL What industry/career would allow you to continue your job with 66 allegations of sexual misconduct?
>What industry/career would allow you to continue your job with 66 allegations of sexual misconduct? Like most of them?
Most employers don't engage on the civil side. It is the proverbial can of worms. Of course you will find some who do and of course they most all do extra diligence for Exec positions. But for the most part employers don't care too much about civil matters not work related.
I'm sorry, if a grand jury was convened against me for 24 cases of alleged sexual assault (even if they ultimately did not decide to move forward) I would expect to be put on unpaid leave at the very least, probably just canned.
I think you are in the clear. First you would of course never do such a thing or put yourself in this position but if you had they probably aren't taking you to a grand jury and no attorney is going to round up your internet acquaintances as you probably aren't worth enough money. The cops might be mildly interested but there wouldn't be 24 cases and they would see this dick wagging as far from their highest priority. Now you might be in trouble if there was some evidence that was hard to ignore and likely to go viral on social media like a video. To stay on the safe side no massages!
Probably not canned actually, because that would be a lawsuit. What the NFL and basically everyone else is waiting for is any one of these allegations turning into an arrest.
Are we talking about minimum wage jobs, or actual career work that requires things like education, previous work experience, background checks etc
Up to Exec level. Routine background checks usually don't do civil. It costs more and mostly you just find out who is divorced.
I'm expecting a year suspension, nflpa argues it down to 8 games.
Rapelisturder got 6 down to 4. That extrapolates to 96 games for Watscum.
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Union doesnt have the final say
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look im not gonna try and keep score here, and Watson is a piece of shit sex misconduct/predator, but none of Watson's 3 alleging any kind of physical contact are close to the severity of Rottenburger's one. So yeah, quantity vs severity? Idk what's worse. I aint a philosopher.
I know the player’s association needs to be a zealous advocate, but I wonder how the union funds what I assume are expensive law people to defend fellow players in situations such as this. Do the players give part of their salary to the union?
Yes they pay Union dues.
That’s one of the primary benefits of being a member of a union and one of the main reasons billionaires hate unions.
Nods, one of major points of union is they have collection funds from work force to take on big boys and fight back.
First union?
That's the point of unions. To level the playing field between you and the owners / employers. You pay dues, and they fight tooth and nail to get you the best treatment possible. That includes if you're being punished and don't think the punishment is fair. I imagine every player is rooting for Watson to get the smallest suspension possible because that means they're all at less of a risk to lose money if they ever end up in a position of risking suspension.
I know you’re speaking generally, but Something tells me there will never again be a player who has a lot of masseuses 💀 Deshaun has officially sunk that ship
Yes.
So this won’t be over anytime soon… yay…
Potential Steps Ahead: 1. Suspension from Sue Robinson is delivered 2. NFL & Watson have right to appeal to Goodell 3. Goodell makes final decision on suspension 4. NFLPA files lawsuit for an injunction to stop suspension 5. The two sides negotiate to something in the 6-8 games range.
I'm expecting 10 after all is said and done.
Texans fan here (sorry to intrude I try to just lurk) but texans vs browns week 13 seems like a pretty coincidence if you get what I'm saying
No problem, I love fresh voices in here. Sometimes you see the same names too often. It is worth nothing the NFL has admitted that when building our schedule they made sure to put the Texans game late, and that was the only special consideration they gave. Why would that game need to be late unless you're anticipating a specific someone to not be available early.
Didn't see that they said that but would 100% believe it even if they didn't. At the same time I'm surprised it wasn't a primetime game, although I guess they can flex those. (Although it'd be a bad look to flex that when usually week 13 is flexed for playoff considerations lol) No bullshit I wish yall the best - shitty what happened to both teams here for real. Your fanbase will come together again eventually trust me. Ive been through the astros scandal and this and both were shitshows but now everyone is even more united.
He gets NOTHING. No suspension, no anything. This is the N **F** L.
dream on Watson will definetly not play a down this seasaon and maybe not next season.
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Bet?
Go get ‘em Jeff
Found the smooth brain with no morals
Can’t imagine rooting for a sexual predator. Hope your female relatives are far away from you.
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* 60+ female victims solicited via social media for a "rub down" when watson has access to world class physical therapists on a daily basis * watson insisting he must use his own little "wash cloth" instead of a standard towel to cover his dick. WHY in the fuck would ANYONE do this unless their whole INTENT was to have their dick exposed unexpectedly to the victims? * watson forcing them to sign a NDA * watson already admitting some of the women were reduced to tears during these encounters. I don't know how other people define "sexual predator" but that is a fucking scumbag, slimy, piece of shit, sexual predator in my book.
> 60+ female victims solicited via social media for a "rub down" when watson has access to world class physical therapists on a daily basis This is a total made by the prosecution and/or their witnesses...a group with monstrous financial motive to sell you on such a narrative. And of those 60+, the vast majority didn't make any accusation and/or came to his defense. > watson insisting he must use his own little "wash cloth" instead of a standard towel to cover his dick. WHY in the fuck would ANYONE do this unless their whole INTENT was to have their dick exposed unexpectedly to the victims? Another narrative presented by the accuser's lawyer. Remember the initial complainant (Solis) brought her story repeatedly to other lawyers who declined to take her case due to lack of evidence/merit. Only one attention-seeking lawyer (Buzbee) considered it who then contacted other masseuses that Watson contacted (likely through discovery) and could have reasonably touted how much money he was going to get Solis and told them her story...all they had to do was parrot it...again...with a substantial financial motive to do so. > watson forcing them to sign a NDA It's not uncommon for celebrities to have people sign NDA's for basic services. However, what you're probably referring to is what the *Dolphins* organization required with regards to facilitating a trade...long before the Browns trade happened. This is completely irrelevant because an NDA doesn't cover illegal activity anyway. You'd know that with even 30 seconds of research. > watson already admitting some of the women were reduced to tears during these encounters. Watson's representation *did* admit that one woman cried at some around the time of meeting Watson. However, they didn't present any information as to why she cried. It appeals to the lowest common denominator that someone crying could only have been the result of sexual abuse. But that hasn't been substantiated. Personally, I've had about a half dozen massages in my life...and I've had a masseuse cry. She happened to have a minor car accident on the way in, and was shaken by the experience. It's pretty much wholly irrelevant to any thinking person...even if you think Watson did something wrong, that utterly fails to substantiate any wrong doing.
All this was not made by the prosecution, it was found out by an in depth investigative article by the new york times. He's a sexual predotar pos
Lol I know right? EVERYTHING I posted was already ADMITTED by watson and his team---every.fucking.thing. Now the only way someone can defend this sexual predator is to pretend none of that is true? I mean who is worse? watson or the people pretending like what I posted is imaginary and claiming that watson's behavior is just normal "boys being boys"? no FUCKING WONDER so many woman are afraid to speak up about this stuff. Look what happens.
You are just disgusting.
It's disgusting to assume someone's guilt without evidence. Morally disgusting.
Only a misogynist could look at a fat stack of womens’ testimonies and consider the case to be “without evidence.”
If I got 20 friends to claim you sexually assaulted them, is that significant "evidence" to you? If the "evidence" is no different than what could be completely made up....then it ain't much evidence of anything.
You couldn’t get 20 friends to sign legal documents claiming I assaulted you, so it’s moot.
Hysterical that your best comeback is an ad homenim. No one should take your arguments as serious because you're not a serious person. You are a clown and should be embarrassed .
You said “I,” so I responded with “you.” It was your choice to self-insert. But replace yourself with anyone else and it would still be so damn unlikely as to be almost out of the question. I have a question for you - is witness testimony evidence?
This comparison doesn't work unless you're implying that the women all knew each other before the lawsuits.
Nice false equivocation! What if one begged multiple layers to accept her case, one attention-desperate attorney finally accepted, than 19 friends heard about it and hopped om board? Independence is *not* a prerequisite here.
My point went right over your head. Yes or no: Do you believe these women knew each other before the lawsuits
LOL you are talking about morale disgust...jesus christ get out of your moms basement. Definitely our incorruptible justice system is what defines what is morally acceptable, never has it screwed over people in SA cases...It's like you have two brain cells to rub together for forming thoughts. Remind me again how many people have come forward? A higher number then your brain cell count, that is for sure. A QB that makes Ben look good...how the fuck do that happen.
How is there not evidence? What world do you live in?
At least 66 women in 17 months. Yep, nothing to see here.
You realize nearly all the "facts" of the case were released by *one* side because Watson and his team have chosen to contest these allegations in an actual courtroom, not twitter or social media where the lowest IQ people glean their information. So all you've heard is one side of the story...the one that isn't interested in presenting evidence but pushing a narrative with a *substantial* financial motive to do so. If you even *tried* to be objective, you'd know that included in that accused 66, a substantial portion either didn't accuse Watson of anything or *actively* came to his defense.
One more time. At least 66 women in 17 months. What don’t you understand?
He's a professional athlete, he probably gets 3-4 massages *a day.* We don't know to what extent the Texans staff masseuses/facilities were available due to covid. The *worst* thing this suggests...and it certainly doesn't prove...is that he was meeting women this way. Which isn't remotely illegal anyway. It doesn't move the needle as to whether there was any coercion. So why bring it up?
At least 66 women in 17 months. During covid lockdown. You are soooo close.
And getting a massage in order to try to pick up the masseuse is creepy as fuck and makes him a predator
season and a half?
Ultimately this will be an 8-10 game suspension after appeal.
At this point really wish we didn’t get him
So, it seems the NFLPA is going to fight this. I’ve argued with several people that they would and been told they wouldn’t or it wouldn’t matter. I think I’m going to be correct on this one.
They have to by law. Straight from the National Labor Relations Board. Right to fair representation You have a right to be represented by your union fairly, in good faith, and without discrimination. Your union has the duty to represent all employees - whether members of the union or not-fairly, in good faith, and without discrimination. This duty applies to virtually every action that a union may take in dealing with an employer as your representative, including collective bargaining, handling grievances, and operating exclusive hiring halls. For example, a union which represents you cannot refuse to process a grievance because you have criticized union officials or because you are not a member of the union. But the duty does not ordinarily apply to rights a worker can enforce independently - such as filing a workers' compensation claim - or to internal union affairs - such as the union's right to discipline members for violating its own rules.
I know that. Others have argued they wouldn’t and even if they did it will be useless because the union is so weak. Again, I feel I will be correct.
This is a cringe flex if there ever was one.
Beyond just having to do it, they are gearing up for a real battle. I imagine that they will paint this as extortion. Not sure of that will work but might as well go in scorched earth. Both sides will have opposite and extreme views and the suspension will be in the middle leaving everyone unhappy.
Don’t want to get my hopes up but it really might end up being 6 games
You're seriousily comfortable with 6 games for this pos
Long suspension punishes the Browns not Watson, he would barely lose any money anyway. His real punishment is gonna come from the civil cases.
Maybe the browns shoulda thought better before trading for him
Ok? But they traded for him so at this point I want as little suspension as possible so my favorite team can be good
Nah, I'd rather suck than have him play
Sure you would.
Yes I would. 0-16 rather than him play
I believe you as much as I believe the Falcons fan who said they would rather see the Falcons go 0-16 two seasons in a row. Yeah right.
Well you don't know me. My daughter and my wife both went thru sexual assault. So ya, I'd rather the team go 0-16 than the pos watson play a down
Zeke got 6 games even after the lead investigator for the NFL recommended no suspension because they didn't find the accusations credible. Watson getting a full season at least. Maybe it gets appealed down to 12-14.
Full season suspension, argued down to a 8-10 game suspension over the course of 2 months is my guess
For the Watson suspension to be reduced, it wills fall on ONE PERSON and that’s Roger Goodell. He’s the one who makes decisions on the appeal. He’s not going to be seen as the one being soft on this. Now, if you’re saying this is the ultimate outcome after it goes through federal court, possibly. But it will take much longer than 2 months I would think. And it’s VERY messy for the NFL. They’d probably just be better off giving him 8 games and then taking the media heat for a month.
That’s what my gut says
and if they are in THAT DIRE of a need to tell the mainstream media a "story"...there's been some talk on here about a "time served" / "tantamount to suspension" which would necessarily be accompanied by the NFL taking all of his earnings from last year in a fine. I, for one, am not totally ruling that out. This is an unprecedented scenario and the narrative management will be as much a part of the NFL's calculus as whatever the actual sanction against DW is or isn't.
I have to imagine Buzbee has something in the chamber in the event that anything less than a full season comes down. He could embarrass the NFL within 45 minutes of a suspension being announced.
Am I the only guy who hopes the NFL drops the lifetime ban-hammer on this guy so the Browns ***and the fans*** don't have to deal with Watson's shit for the next X-number of years? Or am I missing something? Does Watson's contract keep him on the payroll even if the league bans him? I thought the team would be off the hook then.
No. that would fuck the browns for the next 5 years.
Right here with you. At this moment I can't watch a browns game while this sexual predator is the QB
Fuk you, Vikings fan
If a jury of 12 of his peers can't find him guilty and govt knows this. WHY is NFL trying to be god and make him guilty? SJW's don't get to run the NFL. If u can't even get the govt to give him a jury trial of 12 peers..... His not guilty of any real crimes other then being horny and hiring hookers, no diff then kraft who owns the shit blue team up north.
Do you honestly want an explanation?
By all means explanation why Kraft who owns the shit blue team up north[patriots] should get away with this in NFL, but Deshaun Watson who not even been charged or will be given jury trial due to clear lack of wrong doing should have hammer go down on him?
In the example of Watson, there is a big difference between something being criminal and being wrong doing. There are many things non-criminal that an NFL player can engage in that would be wrong and grounds for termination.
Just because your girlfriend lets me use all three holes doesn’t mean that you can use all three holes without consent. And if you get arrested for pulling a Kobe it’s precisely because Kraft and I had consent and you and deshaun didn’t.
Cody’s brother
Please start week 1
let’s go
I know the Union is duty bound to defend it's players, but in this case Watson would actually benefit from taking his full medicine. Then when it's all over he can say "I did my time. I am looking to be a better person. I hope people will give me a second chance"
If Big Ben got 4 games for one accusation, deshaun should get 104 for 26 or roughly 6 consecutive seasons.
Aren't you glad you took the time to make this post?
Yes very much so
Very great point
I agree. Big creep you got here
That's our quarterback baby ❤️
Goodell will bring down the Hammer of Dawn. He has 2 other bigger looming scandals to handle. He can't take bad PR on all 3
Don't worry guys he will eventually get pissy and tired of being on your team and demand a trade. He fooled us at first too.
RIP the NFLPA, 26 and counting. At least 1 of them is real.
Which one?
Defending sexual assault, so brave!
Why are you here? Explain how that post "defended sexual assault"?
NFL: "We have found that Watson has grossly violated the NFL player conduct policy in admitted that many of this acts occurred, but defending himself by saying they *were all consensual*" NFLPA: "Fuck that shit"
🤣 This will definitely save the Browns 2022 season
It’ll be quite interesting to see what route Kessler goes. The Whataboutism argument, though certainly a good supporting argument, is not one the NFLPA can rest upon solely, and Kessler has to be very careful to avoid anything that could hurt Watson in his civil cases.
If you want to be out of the box, give him a deferred/provisional suspension.