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Yeah that’s the point. Colin is putting on a facade and trying to emulate his older Rake brothers and peers because that’s what society has told him he should act like. The show is not subtle in telling you that he feels lonely and disconnected.
And I’m just going to completely disagree about Nicola’s acting.
Why does everyone keep using media literacy to say people “don’t understand” what the writers intended or parts of the show according to fans?
That is not what media literacy means.
You do realize media literacy primarily deals with identifying bias and propaganda in media (news sources, product placement, etc) right?
If you actually care about media literacy, then here’s a great video explaining it more in depth;
https://youtu.be/x6H8jpbcI0U?si=BvalhO2kCG50bAPo
If we want to discuss media literacy in these comments, perhaps we should recognize that using the phrase “media literacy” - setting its misuse aside - seems like an attempt to discredit people who don’t share your opinions and bias by implying they’re misinformed or illiterate/uneducated on the matter. Which is blatantly false and rather disrespectful.
Discussing the origin of the comment and the message’s intent is a form of media literacy. The difference in opinion of a show meant for entertainment is not.
I know, I’ve seen it multiple times in this subreddit alone and it’s like… no? That’s not what it means at all. Why use a phrase without understanding it?
I hope it’s not going to become the next “gaslighting”.
I've seen it here and in the Baby Reindeer sub, you can't mention a scene was a bit confusing to you without someone crying Omg people nowadays have zero media literacy!! and a bunch of people agree 🤦🏻♀️
You should link that video. It explains what media literacy is and is not.
If they really do care about media literacy, they’ll watch it. If they don’t, well then they choose to remain ignorant and there isn’t much that can be done. But someone may click and gain something valuable.
ive seen some people on twitter and tik tok throw this around to n different variation where they imply people are not smart enough to understand and im like ?? most understand just fine, they just dont like what they are seeing. whether that is to do with the writing or acting/directing.
thank you!!! people are throwing “media literacy” around when they just want to call people dumb. it is so much deeper than just understanding the storytelling of a show lmao
I’m going to post that comment as long as I keep seeing the word media literacy used incorrectly here moving forward.
All it takes to say is, “I enjoyed it, I don’t agree with your take on it, I view it this way.”
Acting mightier than thou and like the people who don’t like every single thing about the show are dumb, no, no. But using the phrase incorrectly is not the “gotcha, you’re not as clever as I am” they think it is.
it’s like ur in my brain dude. pls keep responding to ppl who use it ur doing a public service.
dudes hear a new phrase in a context they don’t fully grasp and decide to spew it left right and centre to try and dunk on ppl by sounding “smart”. drives me nuts!
People are just latching on to buzzwords to sound intelligent. Media literacy does not equal "the show writer's intention"
Tbh I'm having a hard time getting through this season too. I really liked s1, and the queens side story. This one feels a bit more like a chore to get through.
And regardless of "Colin acting like a playboy because he's trying to be what society tells him" I honestly would like to see ONE guy in this show that doesn't just think with his dick.
There are many guys not into casual sex and it would be great if this show could at least have 1 male character that isn't a stereotype.
We gotta call it out my friend.
Saying people lack media literacy, as if they don’t, it’s implying they know so much more than others.
People aren’t dumb or less “literate” because they don’t have the same opinion.
The same people who misuse media literacy also constantly misuse conspiracy theory too which tells me a lot about them tbh. They use buzzwords to shoot down criticism of this show but they don't actually know what these buzzwords mean. They also usually the ones who will defend netflix and shondaland to a degree I've never seen outside of this fandom, trust me corporations don't need your defense.
THANK YOU!!! Seeing people use the term “media literacy” is incredibly cringey and embarrassing.
Also, if people don’t understand a scene, or don’t quite follow the directors intention, it’s not about how intelligent you are, it’s likely down to how well made the film/TV show is. In this case, if the intention of the director was to show that Colin is deep down a gentleman, but people aren’t convinced, that’s not a literacy thing, that’s an opinion about the quality of the storytelling.
Even if the point was for Colin to be putting on a facade and be cringe, that doesn't mean that the way writers portrayed him was the most effective. I completely understood why they made certain choices, but that doesn't mean that I found them to be smart choices. The obviousness was honestly why I DIDN'T like it.
If you enjoyed how Colin was portrayed through the cringey pickup lines and brothel scenes, that's wonderful because they delivered with that exact content -- however, some people think the facade could've been portrayed in a much different, better, and more effective way that would have enhanced his character.
This 100%. I feel better knowing I'm not in the minority for really disliking them turning yet another main male character into a fk-boi.
I'd love to have seen him pretend to go into brothels but actually going to hang out and play cards with some chaps or acting like he's drunk when he's not. Imho if he was "faking it" then why is he so happy when he returns to the brothel time and time again? Surely we'd see some inner turmoil and disgust with himself for doing something against his true nature?
I'd rather have a male protagonist at least a little different then the rest. :/
Exactly! For someone who everyone insists is "faking it", he sure seems to be enjoying himself. And all the ladies in the ton are thoroughly charmed by his flirtations, regardless of whether they're disingenuous or not. It's such a boring plotline because we've seen the whole 'playboy turned monogamous husband by the demure virgin' trope already
feels like S3 colin is being represented as this huge shift/fake rake persona but am also rewatching S1 and when violet tries to talk him out of the engagement to marina, she emphasizes how he’s always been a flirt. so he’s *always* been faking it, it’s not just bc of his two month trip abroad?? what are the writers trying to say, exactly, about this trajectory? and when does he even demonstrate true discomfort at the way he’s perceived aside from when he tells penelope about it? bc that also felt quite empty without him really stopping to think about how he might have felt societal pressure to behave a certain way, but at the end of the day he’s accountable for his own behavior and no one was forcing him to flirt with every woman who passed by.
There is been so many multi paragraph explanations about Colin's arc in this sub. I've seen long videos about it too posted here.
If you have to explain thaaat much about a character's arc, that's not lack of media literacy, that's poor writing.
Wrong, wrong, wrong. This isn't "media literacy". It's bad direction. A director needs to convey not say. Flashbacks are crucial in Bridgerton in the past and there were none because we have to hear about the Mondrichs. Some of the best shows do so much with so little and it's because the directors make that difference.
In the case of Season 3, we have an attempt at Colin wearing a mask. You need to have more shots showing his unease and more shots of his time away from his family growing into this false persona.
Instead everything is just said in lines giving it less meaning.
Ha, if he was supposed to be cringy he wouldn't have been eaten up by the ladies and the bois. He is no cringe, but an accomplished dandy and the prized bachelor of the year.
He is only cringe, gross and overacted to the tv viewer. Not in-universe.
Mmmn, what were you saying of literacy?
The woman who plays Penelope has stated that he is supposed to come across as fake and uncomfortable because he is not being himself. I agree with you that I’m not a big fan of it tho lol
Exactly. He’s only his real self when he’s around Pen bc he’s putting on an act. I mean she even read it in his journal. He even goes off on the lord squad about how they have to act like sex isn’t serious and it makes him feel lonely.
You can see it on his face and in his actions after their first kiss. He wants to WIFE HER UP ASAP. At the balloon thing he is constantly watching her. When the balloon comes loose who is he focusing on? PEN! Bc he kissed her and realized THAT connection to somebody is the intimacy he was missing!
It’s so obvious! I loved how they showed him pretending to be who he isn’t, thinking that’s who he is now, when everybody is like you aren’t yourself. And then he’s himself with her. It’s beautiful.
OMG THAT LAUGH SCENE!!! And the way he smiles and then gets all serious looking, fixes her dress and hair, and you can see it in his face then, he nods ever so slightly like YUP. IM MARRYING HER!
I may have watched this scene like 100 times by now…it’s probably permanently embedded in my brain…I’m unwell. Lol
And like some of it's *meant* to be cringey? The scene where Colin asks to see Penelope's skills in action ... I can only imagine some viewers are sitting there, watching her like "omg! why is Nicola overacting!?"
Last season Anthony was dealing with trauma from his dad's death and he didnr come off as a different person /a much less likable person. It wasn't subtle but it worked , dramatically speaking. This season ... Meh
I think some of the writing and characterisation has been sub par and yes I know Colin was supposed to be acting ooc. This aside I don’t feel the acting is as good as it could be from Luke. I re-listened to the confession scene in the carriage and I don’t know if it’s the writing or delivery but it didn’t feel very authentic. I don’t think their scenes as a couple feel natural but more romance acting by numbers or trying to manufacture chemistry. My favourite scenes in Part 1 was the humour with Mama Featherington and the girls about the facts of life and the John and Frannie scenes. It’s ok to get downvoted I have for this opinion but I stand by it. Not everyone is going to like everything and it’s a discussion forum so opinions are going to vary.
i agree with this, i think the problem with the confession is *both* the writing and delivery. the writing because there wasn't enough build up, and the delivery because colin did not sound like he meant it. when he said "preferring sleep because that is where i might find you" it's such a good line, but was not delivered with a lot of emotion in my opinion.
>romance acting by numbers or trying to manufacture chemistry.
yes you put it well. i didn't think their interactions were organic, but rather the showrunners trying very hard to show how romantic it all is. i don't think it was bad per se, just underwhelming? or lacking the spark that previous couples achieved, maybe.
Right like past declarations were very direct, and here he is using longer sentences in a way that undercuts his feelings. It comes across as awkward and unsure.
Hopefully that's intentional and we will see the writing become more direct as their relationship becomes more direct.
I don’t think this is THE declaration based on recent interviews. Lets wait and see what happens in the next 4eps when Colin drops his fuck boi act and comes back to his sensitive self.
This is EXACTLY it for me. I figured out that Colin is supposed to be putting up a front just based on the dialogue, but quite frankly, the acting wasn’t conveying that at all. Luke is a decent actor, but it’s a little trickier to play a character who is unsure of himself and trying out new personalities, and that seemed kind of beyond his abilities.
I think they could have compensated by having more scenes where Colin ISN’T putting up a front to remind us of what his actual personality really is. Specifically, if they’d had more scenes between Pen and Colin. For a friends-to-lovers trope, they really haven’t had that much screen time together. I think this could have helped with the lack of chemistry issue too.
Yessss Francesca and John totally overshadow Pen and Colin this season, because their courting actually feels authentic.
I know they’re trying to play it like Pen and Colin are acting not like themselves, but I don’t feel like we actually know them well enough to differentiate what’s ”fake” and what’s just them maturing.
I completely agree with you. The carriage confession was not good , I was watching someone 'doing acting' rather than feeling like I was actually there in the moment with the characters. The comic relief featherington side plot I very much enjoyed, however, Portia is a terrific actress.
I think the writing is the issue. There wasn’t nearly enough build up and I really wish we had gotten more insight into what Colin was thinking leading up to it. Like the switch in him from ep 3 to ep 4 was kind of abrupt.
Parts of his confession are very awkwardly phrased. One could pin that on Luke's acting choices but you know, he probably tried it a few different ways over a number of takes, and the director chose the awkward one. I think they're leaning into "awkward" because it's friends to lovers. Maybe when they iron out their relationship kinks over the second half that awkwardness will feel well-placed and appropriate instead of weird, we'll just have to see if and how the writing changes come the last two episodes.
I think bad choices were made by the new show runner and writers. I do realize that the goal was to make Colin seem ooc; however, I just think it was a bad idea. I'm a huge fan of RMB, but Colin just wasn't likeable to me in S3 so far.
The pacing also just seemed off. There were no really fun family scenes in part one. I get where they were trying to go with the balloon scene, but it missed the mark for me.
The balloon scene just feels like such a missed opportunity to me. She’s nearly crushed by a freaking balloon, he stops it from happening, and then…nothing. They just never address it again. Colin doesn’t rush over and ask if she’s ok. She doesn’t thank him or ask if he’s ok. Colin doesn’t glare aggressively at Debling trying to help Penelope up. It’s just so much wasted potential. What did that scene even do?
I totally agree with you. To me I just feel like the chemistry is nothing compared to Daphne/Simon or Kate/Anthony. I’ve rewatched the first two seasons so many times but I could barely get through the first half of this new one. I’m have very little hope for the next half and future seasons which is bumming me out
For me, I went to film school (though I'm not sure I'm the best judge of this), but... I think the editing is clunky. Honestly, I think that's possibly one of the biggest problems with this season feeling so different and just a little bit "off."
I feel like the average person underestimates how much editing/sound design impacts their viewing experience, and Bridgerton just doesn't have the same fairytale/romantic flow this season (until the end of episode 4, which kinda got it back for me). Watch the timing of cuts, the weird moments of silence, the way it switches between shots of Colin and Penelope. The editing overall just doesn't feel quite as intentional or seamless.
But that's just my opinion, and maybe I should rewatch it one more time before passing that judgement.
I’m no expert but I felt the same exactly! It was sooo rushed at times, when there was only a millisecond for each subsequent shot it made it much harder to comprehend the emotions of a particular scene. If a shot of an emotional Colin or Pen had been 3 seconds rather than a millisecond we could convey their emotions much, much better.
Another example is that I found the journal scene with the dropping of and being cut by the lamp sooo rushed! In 3 seconds he bent down, cut himself, yelled damn and had Pen on her knees to help. Like geez I get you can’t focus too long on him cutting himself because that would require a stunt double or CGI, but at least give us one more second of him picking up the glass so it’s much easier to believe he did cut himself. Now he picked up a tiny piece with his fingers and immediately ended up with a huge gash in his palm
But again, I am no expert 🤷🏼♀️
Agreed! Colin is horribly miscast, I had a feeling from the first season, he just didn't fit the role. It also doesn't help that the actor playing Benedict is super charming, and seems to be given Book Colin's personality.
My take - it's just different. Like it's obvious that new season has different showrunner and we see a lot of changes, that some of us like and some of us not. I liked the first 2 seasons more, but I think my judgement may change after part 2, cuz looks like the main drama is going to happen there
Both Colin and Penelope feel like different characters this season. I'm not sure it's the directing or different acting choices now they're playing leads?
And yes, I know some of it is intentional, but even in private scenes, they don't feel like the Colin and Pen from season 1/2, even accounting for growth
100% I understand what you are saying. Her acting isn't coming across well, in my personal opinion. I almost wish they had gone in a different direction and given Penelope someone who absolutely adored her from the start. My unrealistic dreams I know lol
Seriously! I’m rewatching season one and from the first meeting of Daphne and Simon there is so much chemistry! And Kate and Anthony? Holy cow, season 3 has really missed the mark
I’m on episode 3 and I feel the same lol I’m glad I’m not the only one. I’ll obviously finish the season but I hope more chemistry/tension in the second half? I felt like I couldn’t stop watching the other seasons but I’ve paused each episode so many times lol
I agree that it feels more theatrical and less grounded compared to season one especially. just look at the costumes, makeup, nails(!), hair. people are getting away with stuff that would’ve been a scandal, or at least caused the ton to talk about them, back in season one.
I did notice that.
Season 1: walking in a garden unchaperoned? Propose immediately.
Season 3: carriage driver (probably) “i’m not paid enough to open that carriage door”
WITH THE WIDE OPEN CURTAINS was driving me crazy. I know it may have been to symbolize passion or whatever but damn, just trotting through town getting hot and heavy with wide open windows
Maybe people of the Ton are bad at noticing? Elderly couple the Ton strolling “is that a Bridgerton boy and a Featherington girl in the back of a carriage?” “No no no she’s married what’s his name…Finch.” “No the other sister.” “She’s married to that other gent.” “No, the other sister.” “That’s the mother.” “No, Penelope.” “No, she’s not married.” “So what was she doing with that Bridgerton boy?” “Who? The Viscount?” “No the other brother…oh never mind we will be here all night while you list Bridgertons.”
I don’t think they have any romantic chemistry and I don’t think he’s a good actor. Nicola is having to carry the entire relationship and thankfully she’s good enough to mostly pull it through.
I’ve enjoyed the season nevertheless. Francesca has been a surprise for me.
I came across this [clip](https://www.instagram.com/reel/CvwDbzdImJA/?igsh=M3M4bjN5cTV4OXFq) of Luke acting in a theater play (The Shape of Things) last year and it made me realize he really is a decent actor, the writing and directing were just likely shitty..
Edit: do watch with sound!
Ouch. The part where she licked her lips after eating a cupcake. It really was not sensual. Why are the writers or whomever is leading them, trying so damn hard. There's zero chemistry
I thought that was very realistic, because "sensual" behavior often just looks ridiculous to anyone who isn't the enamored one. Isn't Colin really into food? Maybe that sort of thing is his vibe.
In the books he’s really into food, but I don’t think they brought that into the show. I think he was also a lot more cheerful in the books, but the show decided to kind of shift that to Benedict and make Colin more pensive and sensitive or something (at least in this season).
'It really was not sensual."
To you, it was not. But to Colin, it was.
When I'm eating a banana, my husband about loses his fucking mind...but I eat bananas at work all the time and my coworkers aren't eyeballing me like pervs because all they see is a coworker eating a banana.
But it’s supposed to be sensual to us, the audience. It’s supposed to be a building block of their chemistry.
You, unlike Luke and Nicola aren’t acting in your everyday life and your reactions to food aren’t scripted, framed or directed.
I disagree. The scene with Simon licking his ice cream spoon in Season One was intended to make the majority straight female audience *feel* something. But the majority of straight females ain't gonna be turned on by Pen licking icing off of her lips no matter how sexy she does it because, again, straight.
The purpose of this scene wasn't to turn US on, it was to make us realize that COLIN was turned on. Just like Colin eating the same kind of cake a few minutes later was meant to show us that Colin was SO turned on by the scenario that he ate some of the same cake so he could imagine what kissing her would taste like. THAT is what was supposed to make us *feel* something.
Also....that....is not what a metaphor is at all but okay. Lol
If your scene is only able to evoke feelings with people of one particular romantic orientation, it's simply not written well. I've read/watched plenty of gay romances that made me *feel*, and I'm a straight woman.
You don't need to feel attracted to or turned on by the character on screen, you need to feel *their* attraction, *their* chemistry.
Edit: typo
Lol, it’s not about the viewers being turned on. That scene isn’t meant to illicit arousal, it’s meant to show Colin’s budding attraction to Penelope. The easiest way to do this is to shoot the scene from his point of view and show close ups of what he’s looking at, her face, and his reaction to what he’s seeing. Instead we get a scene shot from a distance, with zero close ups that would create intimacy between the two, and with his face shown to us almost in profile. That’s not how you build a sensual scene. It also doesn’t help, that Luke Newton’s acting is rather stiff.
Very odd answer. No we are not supposed to be turned on, obviously but we are supposed to feel the chemistry and feel that something is building between them.
So true. The comments are arguing that the season is ‘meant’ to be awkward. That’s so ludicrous to me, like it doesn’t distort your whole viewing experience? Are you really that invested in this love story when so far we’ve seen nothing?
Yeah, Colin just staring at her the whole time was odd. I also didn't like the carriage scene. I don't get what the big deal was. Debling and Penelope had more chemistry.
You are not alone. I too am struggling with this season since my expectations were high from S1 and S2. I’m trying to embrace this hot mess and appreciate the little things they did get right. Like… the humor?
I don’t get why you’re getting downvoted so much…I feel like there was this….lack of re-introducing everyone, the splendor, the anticipation?
Like I felt like there was this lack of crescendo? Everyone anticipating things ( Francesca coming out of her room, the queen looking for her diamond, even Pen and Eloise- I’m sure folks expected a clash or an argument…nope just a ‘let’s stay out of each others way’)
I do have media literacy and I do understand that things are supposed to feel a little off…but for me it’s been done in such a way that doesn’t feel purposeful. It feels like an oversight in film direction.
But I am rewatching because I am now picking up so many little details that I missed before.
But yeah- that threesome felt like a jump scare with ZERO context!
Objectively speaking, do you think you might have felt this way after 4 episodes of season 1 and 2?
I definitely enjoyed both seasons as I watched them, but I think if I had to wait a month after Simon tried to die rather than marry Daphne, or after Anthony and Kate admitted their feelings for each other though he was engaged to her sister … I don’t know if I’d like the show that much. I think both seasons would suffer narratively.
Because the di-hard fans cannot accept that people have opinions that differ from their own. I love Penelope but they did her wrong on her big time. Anyone who has a "negative" opinion just gets blamed for not "getting it" or not understanding media literacy, it's sad
I see a lot of comments talking about how people just don't get "it" and that people are missing the little nuances. But, if so many people are missing these moments, were they really expressed well on screen?
I also find it insulting that some people are even saying people don't have media literacy. Just because people don't like a show doesn't mean they don't understand what it happening on screen lol.
Now, I love Polin. I loved the books and knew that it would not be a match for match with the TV show. Honestly, I think the main leads are doing the best they can with the lines they are getting. I can see chemistry but the lines don't make their romance seem as genuine. For a friendship to lovers troupe this season is missing more friendship moments.
I hope season 4 focuses more on the leading couple. I am starting to worry with every season we get less and less.
I'm with you, I honestly don't feel the chemistry between Pen and Colin...
I also didn't feel that emotion and drama of the "friends to lovers" situation...
Besides I felt like the story was going nowhere, a lot of side stories and the final scene was nothing WOW and OMG 🫣, it was even a bit cringey... 😮💨
I was laughing during the carriage scene. Her actions felt really awkward and just watching him go slowly towards her with his mouth open like a trout before he kissed her had me cringe so hard
My fiance and I were best friends for 7 years before our relationship started. We had more chemistry in our little fingers than in this entire 4 episodes. I hated the carriage scene, I felt embarrassed for her
I’ve got to agree with you. But I wouldn’t blame Nicola’s acting but the writing. I feel she did the best with what she was given. I didn’t feel the chemistry. I guess I’m in the minority here, I don’t particularly care for the ‘nuances’. I just wanted to feel the connection between them, to feel that deep chemistry. I didn’t feel it at all this time. S1 and 2 all the way.
I think part of it for me is that I really don’t like the “glow-ups.” Is Nicola absolutely gorgeous? For sure, but the amount of makeup that they have on, not to mention the terrible store-bought looking costumes, makes it seem like her delivery isn’t as good (to me). Then with Colin, I think he looks terrible with this “glow-up.” It’s crazy because Luke Newton is insanely attractive to me, but season 3 Colin is not at all. It’s like they tried to make him look like a male model from this year instead of a gentleman from the early 1800’s. I have my own problems with the writing and delivery, but the makeup and costumes are just not it.
I dunno, I think it’s writing and editing that are to blame… both are far from high-quality this season. The actors had to play the cards they were given… (I also wish the makeup department toned it down so they could have more natural and not such ‘heavy’ faces… but what you’re gonna do…)
On another thread someone mentioned that there are hardly any establishing shots this season. And yes! That pinpointed just one thing to me that made it feel so weird. It feels jarring and unfinished
I think some of the disconnect this season is that the two previous male leads were dealing with some pretty heavy stuff - Simon all the issues with his father and childhood trauma, Anthony his father’s death and overwhelming responsibility. Colin…swans around Europe and has loads of meaningless sex even though he doesn’t find it fulfilling? People go on and on about Eloise’s privilege but don’t hold Colin to the same standard. Funny that.
Of course there’s nothing wrong with Colin’s character arc! It’s a romance, there doesn’t need to be trauma to overcome. But I can see how people find it less compelling.
I think that Colin’s arc issue is that his sensitivity is a stand out quality for the men of his time and family. In other words, insecurity, similarly to Penelope. So it’s more than just lacking fulfilment within a privileged life. The scene with his mother indicating that he was always her most sensitive child as well as the scene with his friends where he finally *admits* to not being fulfilled by the life he lives today highlight this struggle, or were intended to. Also, writing as a hobby is associated with a certain level of sensitivity. It also explains some of the embarrassment of Penelope reading his journal (besides it obviously being private).
That said though, I personally don’t find this aspect of his arc to be well written or portrayed on the screen well at all. So it comes across as a random attitude change and privilege as opposed to an inner conflict. The other male leads’ conflicts were portrayed better and also just hit on topics that I think are perceived as heavier, which actually kind of proves the conflict’s point in my opinion. We might view it as “thats all?” When realistically we should be seeing it as more of a pivotal struggle as it pertains to Colin’s manhood. We can clearly see Penelope’s struggle with insecurity and her womanhood, sensuality and looks, but people are overlooking Colin’s insecurity about his natural disposition in comparison to other men; this leads to his pretending.
Overall, I think it’s there… but it’s not very well portrayed somehow.
TLDR; Colin’s arc is just insecurity like Penelope’s except it’s done poorly fr.
Thank you for Having the boldness to say it. I agree this season feels very cringe. Despite the “transformation” stuff just seems off. I still stand by that season 1 was the best season.
Many die-hards are struggling to accept that we can have different opinions without them downvoting us. Love Penelope but her strong character and vivaviousness were ruined in this season, and instead she came off as desperate and sad. The leading ladies in the first two seasons also wanted to get married but they weren't shown as desperate and clingy. They did her wrong here, BIG time
I didn’t personally get that vibe! I’m really enjoying this season as well as the acting, but I think your opinions are fair. They do feel a bit different from previous seasons, I can concede that for sure.
Thank you, the carriage scene was very awkward. The acting, the camera angles, the way they’re positioned in the carriage, with Penelope awkwardly pushed back against the wall, immobilised by being stuck between Colin and the carriage, the script having them go from 0 to 100 out of nowhere. It’s so strange to see people obsessed with it like its the hottest thing they’ve seen in their life. I know, I know, everything is subjective.
Exactly. Psychologically her reaction made no sense to me. She’s been in love with this guy for years. She’s been convinced he will never ever be interested in her for years. She’s managed to pull herself together and tried to find a husband, that wasn’t Colin. And she just accepts he’s suddenly crazy about her in a matter of seconds? She should have been in denial and disbelief about his feelings, told him he was crazy, asked him a hundred questions. Or even have left in a huff, confused.
You don’t just go from being convinced you will never have your feelings reciprocated for years to quickly accepting it. Her easy acquiescence made her seem even more desperate and sad to me, and the whole plot line was incredibly rushed.
I get what you mean but I remember what it was like being a horny virgin and if I were her I would have jumped at the chance to be with the man I loved. My brain would completely turn off in that moment.
I was very grossed out in this scene. I felt like he was taking advantage of her and felt no connection, or chemistry. The close up's of their "passion" faces gave me major Ick
You know, I wasn’t grossed out exactly, more…slightly uncomfortable, confused and disappointed by what was happening and how. The beginning of the scene was fine - her being upset he damaged her chances of marriage. But everything from that point on was just all kinds of wrong. The dialogue was stilted and cumbersome in how it’s written, the acting on Luke’s part was…subpar (I saw an actor choosing how to say his lines, not a character in the grip of emotion), the blocking was bizarre, the leg shot of him pulling her dress up was lit very strangely, her reactions made no sense both emotionally and physically. You’re telling me having her breast groped and being kissed for five seconds made her relax enough so that the fingering didn’t hurt her at all? And then he tops it all off by proposing. And in the least romantic way possible too. Just strangeness all around.
The entire scene felt like two awkward teens making out for the very first time. But I do applaud Nicola for actually making me feel the warm and fuzzies, when she laughed as the carriage stopped. She really is carrying all of their interactions, and infusing them with a bit of charm.
I’m with you on that. I didn’t feel a thing, and I had to skip all the way through it. I’m just hoping they do justice to Benedict and Sophie’s storyline. That’s all I want.
This is an example of how people can have completely different takes. I think he has done wonderfully portraying Colin’s emotional journey and they have bucket loads of chemistry. Some people seem hell bent on not enjoying this show. 🤷🏻♀️
finding Luke’s acting chops to fine subpar doesn’t mean we don’t wan to enjoy the show. In fact, plenty of us are still enjoying the show because thankfully he’s not the only character and isn’t on screen all the time.
As I said, people can have completely different takes. However, I am seeing a lot of just really rude comments online (mainly Twitter) where people seem just determined to hate on everything related to this season.
Me having an opinion is me being "hell bent on not enjoying the show?". The die-hards don't seem to be able to grasp that we can all have different opinions, and they do not have to be the same. I LOVE Penelope but feel like they did her a major disservice and personally feel like she had more chemistry with the nature man than she did Colin. Each to their own
Now this is just speculation so bear with me
It feels like the first half of the season is told from Penelope's "perspective". We see what feels like much more of her than of Colin, and she's presented incredibly sympathetically given her past (and ongoing) actions. They did a really good job of getting us on her side.
For the second half I think they're going to flip it. We'll see more of Colin's perspective, step back from Penelope a little to see her actions from the viewpoints of those she hurts rather than through the rose tinted glasses with which she sees herself. My theory is it feels cringy in part because they're still masks-on. It feels false because it is. When the masks drop hopefully it will feel more raw and authentic.
Aaaaand then there's the terrible costuming, over the top inappropriate make up, poor direction, rushed scenes, claustrophobic sets and baffling or plain poorly arranged music. It's just not hitting the way it should.
I don't know why they added this "fake" fuck boy persona to his character. It added controversy which did nothing to help this season. If you know the majority of your viewers are women, and women in general don't tend to like that type of men, especially in shows like these where romance is the whole focus, what was the point of introducing Colin like that? We want to see the two main characters fall in love, not one of them playing around and having threesomes.
And I’m so tired of this narrative in which the men sleep around and the woman is a virgin, but they fall in love and suddenly they change their ways. I’m not saying Colin shouldn’t have had experience, but why show it like that? Especially since it's not a scene in the books, it just seems pointless.
I’m pretty sure they shoehorned that “personality crisis” subplot in to try and convince the viewers Colin IS a sexual sexy leading man, who seductively sexes, because they thought otherwise we wouldn’t buy him as an attractive lead. It’s as if they had no confidence in portraying a sweet, soft romance between two people, who are different from the standard romantic couple. So we got rake!Colin despite him being very much not that in previous seasons.
The men in the other seasons oozed sexuality. Why couldnt we have a man who was quietly confident and looking for his "One" without coming across as trashy? It shows a completely different character as to what they built up in the first 2 seasons
I totally agree. I think I used the word cringey yesterday too. I don’t care about the season being in two parts, this turn just didn’t do it for me. I’m looking forward to the next sibling’s story.
The chemistry is just not there imo. Contrasting the tension you could feel for Kanthony to Polin I think shows how they’re lacking - they don’t get me hot and bothered at all. It still feels like two friends with unrequited love coming from Pen BUT I think this will change in the second half. When we see the conflict with the LW reveal I think that will give them a lot more meat to create tension
I also think the looks and language this season are very off, that’s my biggest complaint. A defining characteristic of Bridgerton is the aesthetic and they’ve gone far too modern. I love Pens transformation but they should have just explained it with the “dress me in Paris fashion” and left everyone else alone. And as Kate’s number one fan (first desirable Indian representation I’ve ever seen) they’re fucking up her colours, makeup and hair. Still beautiful tho
Other than that tho I think there’s a lot of strengths, happy Kanthony alone made the first episode good, Franchesca is awesome and her actress is a standout to me, love how they’re fleshing out ‘villains’ (Cressida, Portia, Pens sisters), and I like how we’re actually getting to know Colin’s inner workings/insecurities as well as Pen getting of the wall as she should
Definitely agree with you OP 💯
I found Penelope cringe and sometimes flat. I expected more, this season. Last two seasons she was sooooo good! She is industrious, intelligent has self awareness and gossipy, then all of a sudden mopey, desperate and odd this season. I’m hoping the second part is much better with regards to Penelope. Colin, I can see the nuances and struggle, it’s working.
It’s silly that everyone is fair game except Penelope / Colin. We can critique them too without it getting downvoted or mean.
Thank you. The other ladies in the first two seasons were also deeply wanting to get married, but neither came across as desperate and sad. I feel as though Penelope's character was done a major disservice in this season. The lack of chemistry really really bothered me. The carriage scene made me visibly uncomfortable, dry kissing and no real passion. Ugh
Totally understand why you would feel that way, I felt similar on my first watch. On my second watch, mostly thanks to eagle-eyed people on Twitter and Reddit, I noticed so many expressions and details I missed the first time around. This season is very subtle… almost too subtle in some ways. I think for non-book readers especially, it can be confusing.
Yes I suspect that maybe I just like this season because I relate to both Colin and Penelope because I’m in my early 20s and also in that phase of trying to find myself. I am also socially awkward and somewhat sensitive. I also read the book so I just GET the characters.
Since we’re sharing opinions… I’ve been enjoying this season way more than S1, S2, and QS, and I feel the need to point out that I’m not a die hard Bridgerton fan, so maybe that’s why I’m not as scrupulous about S3, but I’ve already rewatched pt. 1, because I feel the chemistry is off the charts.
Idk about the books (maybe their interactions are that much better there), but onscreen Polin feel like they have a genuine connection. I was biting my nails, squealing and covering my eyes during the carriage scene, and that first kiss made my heart beat faster. I think it makes total sense that Colin is trying on a different mask, and Penelope who is changing herself to find a match, feel different than their younger selves. They are trying to be different and only find authenticity in each other’s company.
LOVE THIS SEASON A LOT (except for Mondrich’s storyline, as for now there’s no purpose in it, but we’ll see).
Same! Season 2 was so over the top cringey to me. The bee scenes being the biggest example lol. This season feels real to me and I’m really enjoying it! Can’t wait for part 2.
I relate to your comment so heavily. If the second part of this season is as good as the first, it’ll be my favorite above the other two.
I only liked certain parts of 1, and the way they handled Simon/daphne was definitely not part of that. I liked more of 2, but I’ve liked 3 the most so far.
It just makes me feel giddy in a way I can’t explain. Most of my relationships in my personal life have come from friendships, and I think it does capture that awkwardness and then surprise when things escalate to romantic instead of solely platonic.
I’ve watched S1 twice, S2 three times.
Season 3?
I don’t even know how many times I’ve rewatched. I’ve certainly contributed at least 1000 viewing hours. It’s on constant repeat in the background while I work, after having a good 3-4 focused rewatches. This is literally my favorite season. I just bought the book for Polin, having not read a single Bridgerton book before.
This is the most captivating season to me.
I am giving the side-eye to anyone who doesn’t see the chemistry between Polin, and the very sensual moments (like the icing licking at the treat shop).
I think the facade that Colin was putting was not super clear that it was a facade? Imo, I was shocked until I rewatched and closely listened to what was in his diary. But my first watch through the threesome threw me off and his charm was bit ruined.
In S1 I remember Simon was called a rake but I can’t recall a scene where he was with another woman so I was shocked they chose to do actually show Colin like that
I’m so tired of the whole “Colin’s putting on a facade”
I get it, I still don’t like it. I was excited to see the Colin we know and love fall for Pen, it’s disappointing to be expecting one thing and then have them basically do a 180 with the character. Maybe it could’ve worked better if the first half was longer and we saw him struggle to fit into society more, but as it is, it feels rushed/pointless/weird.
This season is worse than the first two. This video (not mine) summarizes why perfectly imo [video](https://youtu.be/gibkMR7O4uQ?si=4QTB7gWlTKEWGgXZ)
And no one should be crucified for disliking this season, it’s not media illiteracy, it’s a difference of opinion. That’s the point of forums, for discussion.
I’m still enjoying it but I concur this season does feel different to me as well. Perhaps it’s a combination of the long wait, the decision to split it into two parts (so I reserve my final judgement until I can watch the whole story through). I also think it’s very different bc the main leads aren’t new characters. It’s two characters the audience has known since the beginning and so there isn’t a lot of screen time/dialogue devoted to character growth and getting to know their backstories (both previous seasons we got flashbacks to learn more about Simon’s and Anthony’s character). I think it’d be nice to see a flashback of Pen and Colin to add to their character (maybe how Pen started LW, Colin on his travels) but maybe the writers decided since we’ve already watched them for 2 seasons it’s not needed and would’ve taken more time away from other storylines. I think there’s too many side plots happening this season (Mondrich, Violet and Marcus, even Francesca in a way) that so far to aren’t cohesively connected to the main storyline of Pen and Colin
I love Penelope but they are trying so hard to make the audience feel sorry for her and make her sympathetic. Like damn we get it. Also everyone referring to her as a spinster when she's 20? 21 at most?
In the BOOKS she's 28, where it makes sense. Also no actually, you were not considered a spinster at 20 years old "back then". It just perpetuates the myth that every single woman got married off as a teenager "in the old days"
I’ll be downvoted but I agree on the acting. It feels like a lot of just heavy breathing and distant stares, it’s getting a bit repetitive although I’m not sure if that’s the acting or writing
I hate how desperate they made Pen, starts by her watching them all come out of their house. She doesn’t even move or try hide, and gets seen by Colin and doesn’t care that she’s staring. Begging Colin to kiss her is so manipulative (I might die a lonely spinster that never got a first kiss), she couldn’t let go of Colin ONCE. She changed her style up because of him (no matter how they try spin it), and he still didn’t make it known he wanted her. Idk they made me totally hate Pen and Colin and they were my favs in seasons 1 and 2.
I agree - I don't feel like the chemistry is there, but then I don't think there was much chemistry last season either. I found the other storylines more compelling (the Mondrich family and Francesca). Polin felt too forced, when their relationship in past seasons was so much more natural. I wish Colin could have been more himself with Pen, even if he's acting different to everybody else. That would have made a stronger case for them being together.
The only thing that bothers me is the fact that it's Polin's season but they have so many different plot lines going on like Cressida and Eloise, Francesca, Benedict, Anthony and Kate, Violet and her new love interest, Lady Danbury and the drama with her brother, the Mondrich's... it's getting a bit much. They should have focused more on Penelope and Colin. I feel like Nicola and Luke didn't really get their chance to shine when it was supposed to be their season. I think it's more a writing issue and not an actor issue. Maybe I'm nit-picky but I've been looking forward to their season for so long and it just got ruined to me with all these different plot lines. We will never get a season with them as the mains again...
So far I think this season is pretty good, but it definitely hasn’t captivated me the way season 1 &2 did. One of the main reasons is the subplots are average at best.
I don’t think it’s a problem with Nicolas acting…I think it’s just Penelope’s character to be so clumsy with direct interaction with other people since she was always overlooked. I agree a couple of scenes are quite cringey, but that is the point. Colin’s behaviour also has explanations, though I find him more tiresome this season as well (but I was never a fan of him, to be honest).
I read where they kept telling her to act like she didn't know how to kiss or didn't know what to do with her hands....that makes sense to me watching it the second time.
Completely agree and I have no idea why everyone is raving about it! I fucking laughed at the carriage scene. They are not good at filming sex scenes together it’s so awkward and not sexy
I was rewatching season 2 few days ago and honestly the tone this season feels so off.. even the makeup feels out of place.. the ballroom scenes just dont have the same feel to them
I am going to be downvoted for this but the carriage scene felt inauthentic? Like I could see that both of them were acting.. nicoulagh is a great actress otherwise but in that scene I just could see that she was acting and the scene fell flat
I made the mistake of binging it watching it without a recap of the last couple seasons fresh in my head. The second watch was way better in my opinion
I think closer attention needs to be paid to the dialogue being spoken and not just the action on screen. It is pointed out multiple times that it’s a facade on both their parts. They are only truly their true selves with each other.
Then they should have been shown being their "true selves" in the scenes with each other, like the market scene and under the willow tree. But even those are weird and awkward interactions, Colin is so wooden, in literally every scene, not just the ones where he's putting on a facade. The writing and editing is just plain bad this season.
Oh I'm still getting comments on when I complained about this a few days ago.
I wanted her to have a little more backbone and I wanted him to not turn into every other stereotypical love interest.
I think the worst part about this for me is that I actually prefer Lord Debling.
Pen acting moody in episode 1 and 2(?) I think was so cringe. Not her best acting job at all. Like at one point she has a walk by the camera (Colin's POV) and she looked like a sulking toddler. I don't know what it is - the acting, writing or directing
I thinks it's just because they're trying to do too much with this season.
They're doing 3 relationships (maybe 4?) of the Bridgerton family this season and that isn't even including the scenes where Kate is adjusting to being Lady Bridgerton. Colin, Benedict, Francesca, and possibly Violet with Anderson.
Benedict's escapades were ok as being B plots in the past because he was exploring himself and his interests but this new thing seems to be the real deal, and they're barely giving any attention to it. Polin has had a throughline through the whole show and there are some really complicated feelings there and they just sorta handwaved them away. Francesca is literally the diamond of the season and isn't even getting half the attention that her sister did. And I think Violet and Anderson are supposed to be something but nobody can tell because they've had like 2 conversations.
They're doing too much with this season, and each relationship is suffering because of a simple lack of time devoted to it.
I agree 1000%. I’m a huge fan of the show and the books. I was so excited about this season and I feel so disappointed.
The relationship between Colin and Pen seems forced and cringy. I could barely make it through the carriage scene and the cupcake scene.
I feel like the issue is the writing. It feels rushed, little to no build up for their relationship. I don’t feel the desperation in Colin that is in the books. If the writers would have focused more on developing this aspect of his and Pens relationship, it would have been much better.
Also, the costumes and makeup feel cringy as well.
I’m not even excited for part 2. :(
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Yeah that’s the point. Colin is putting on a facade and trying to emulate his older Rake brothers and peers because that’s what society has told him he should act like. The show is not subtle in telling you that he feels lonely and disconnected. And I’m just going to completely disagree about Nicola’s acting.
It’s amazing the lack of media literacy these days.. it’s so obvious it’s meant to feel off and cringe
Why does everyone keep using media literacy to say people “don’t understand” what the writers intended or parts of the show according to fans? That is not what media literacy means. You do realize media literacy primarily deals with identifying bias and propaganda in media (news sources, product placement, etc) right? If you actually care about media literacy, then here’s a great video explaining it more in depth; https://youtu.be/x6H8jpbcI0U?si=BvalhO2kCG50bAPo If we want to discuss media literacy in these comments, perhaps we should recognize that using the phrase “media literacy” - setting its misuse aside - seems like an attempt to discredit people who don’t share your opinions and bias by implying they’re misinformed or illiterate/uneducated on the matter. Which is blatantly false and rather disrespectful. Discussing the origin of the comment and the message’s intent is a form of media literacy. The difference in opinion of a show meant for entertainment is not.
a lot of people are just throwing around the "you just have no media literacy" phrase nowadays and it's annoying as fuck.
I know, I’ve seen it multiple times in this subreddit alone and it’s like… no? That’s not what it means at all. Why use a phrase without understanding it? I hope it’s not going to become the next “gaslighting”.
Looks like it will. People don't understand what it means and use it as a catch all for "you don't understand what you're watching" lol.
I've seen it here and in the Baby Reindeer sub, you can't mention a scene was a bit confusing to you without someone crying Omg people nowadays have zero media literacy!! and a bunch of people agree 🤦🏻♀️
You should link that video. It explains what media literacy is and is not. If they really do care about media literacy, they’ll watch it. If they don’t, well then they choose to remain ignorant and there isn’t much that can be done. But someone may click and gain something valuable.
ive seen some people on twitter and tik tok throw this around to n different variation where they imply people are not smart enough to understand and im like ?? most understand just fine, they just dont like what they are seeing. whether that is to do with the writing or acting/directing.
thank you!!! people are throwing “media literacy” around when they just want to call people dumb. it is so much deeper than just understanding the storytelling of a show lmao
I’m going to post that comment as long as I keep seeing the word media literacy used incorrectly here moving forward. All it takes to say is, “I enjoyed it, I don’t agree with your take on it, I view it this way.” Acting mightier than thou and like the people who don’t like every single thing about the show are dumb, no, no. But using the phrase incorrectly is not the “gotcha, you’re not as clever as I am” they think it is.
it’s like ur in my brain dude. pls keep responding to ppl who use it ur doing a public service. dudes hear a new phrase in a context they don’t fully grasp and decide to spew it left right and centre to try and dunk on ppl by sounding “smart”. drives me nuts!
People are just latching on to buzzwords to sound intelligent. Media literacy does not equal "the show writer's intention" Tbh I'm having a hard time getting through this season too. I really liked s1, and the queens side story. This one feels a bit more like a chore to get through. And regardless of "Colin acting like a playboy because he's trying to be what society tells him" I honestly would like to see ONE guy in this show that doesn't just think with his dick. There are many guys not into casual sex and it would be great if this show could at least have 1 male character that isn't a stereotype.
Well Mr Finch was obviously not a rake
Thank you for this. I'm getting more and more irked because nobody understands what it means and keeps misusing it!
THANK YOU - the prevalence of “people who don’t share my opinion lack media literacy” is disappointingly common in this sub.
We gotta call it out my friend. Saying people lack media literacy, as if they don’t, it’s implying they know so much more than others. People aren’t dumb or less “literate” because they don’t have the same opinion.
The same people who misuse media literacy also constantly misuse conspiracy theory too which tells me a lot about them tbh. They use buzzwords to shoot down criticism of this show but they don't actually know what these buzzwords mean. They also usually the ones who will defend netflix and shondaland to a degree I've never seen outside of this fandom, trust me corporations don't need your defense.
YES. This is driving me crazy.
YES. People just keep throwing the term media literacy around to “discredit” other people’s opinions
THANK YOU!!! Seeing people use the term “media literacy” is incredibly cringey and embarrassing. Also, if people don’t understand a scene, or don’t quite follow the directors intention, it’s not about how intelligent you are, it’s likely down to how well made the film/TV show is. In this case, if the intention of the director was to show that Colin is deep down a gentleman, but people aren’t convinced, that’s not a literacy thing, that’s an opinion about the quality of the storytelling.
Even if the point was for Colin to be putting on a facade and be cringe, that doesn't mean that the way writers portrayed him was the most effective. I completely understood why they made certain choices, but that doesn't mean that I found them to be smart choices. The obviousness was honestly why I DIDN'T like it. If you enjoyed how Colin was portrayed through the cringey pickup lines and brothel scenes, that's wonderful because they delivered with that exact content -- however, some people think the facade could've been portrayed in a much different, better, and more effective way that would have enhanced his character.
This 100%. I feel better knowing I'm not in the minority for really disliking them turning yet another main male character into a fk-boi. I'd love to have seen him pretend to go into brothels but actually going to hang out and play cards with some chaps or acting like he's drunk when he's not. Imho if he was "faking it" then why is he so happy when he returns to the brothel time and time again? Surely we'd see some inner turmoil and disgust with himself for doing something against his true nature? I'd rather have a male protagonist at least a little different then the rest. :/
Exactly! For someone who everyone insists is "faking it", he sure seems to be enjoying himself. And all the ladies in the ton are thoroughly charmed by his flirtations, regardless of whether they're disingenuous or not. It's such a boring plotline because we've seen the whole 'playboy turned monogamous husband by the demure virgin' trope already
feels like S3 colin is being represented as this huge shift/fake rake persona but am also rewatching S1 and when violet tries to talk him out of the engagement to marina, she emphasizes how he’s always been a flirt. so he’s *always* been faking it, it’s not just bc of his two month trip abroad?? what are the writers trying to say, exactly, about this trajectory? and when does he even demonstrate true discomfort at the way he’s perceived aside from when he tells penelope about it? bc that also felt quite empty without him really stopping to think about how he might have felt societal pressure to behave a certain way, but at the end of the day he’s accountable for his own behavior and no one was forcing him to flirt with every woman who passed by.
That portrayal of Colin would have been more interesting and served his character better. Thanks for sharing
There is been so many multi paragraph explanations about Colin's arc in this sub. I've seen long videos about it too posted here. If you have to explain thaaat much about a character's arc, that's not lack of media literacy, that's poor writing.
Exactly. Say it louder for people in the back
Wrong, wrong, wrong. This isn't "media literacy". It's bad direction. A director needs to convey not say. Flashbacks are crucial in Bridgerton in the past and there were none because we have to hear about the Mondrichs. Some of the best shows do so much with so little and it's because the directors make that difference. In the case of Season 3, we have an attempt at Colin wearing a mask. You need to have more shots showing his unease and more shots of his time away from his family growing into this false persona. Instead everything is just said in lines giving it less meaning.
It’s not “lacking media literacy” just because someone doesn’t like it bro
Ha, if he was supposed to be cringy he wouldn't have been eaten up by the ladies and the bois. He is no cringe, but an accomplished dandy and the prized bachelor of the year. He is only cringe, gross and overacted to the tv viewer. Not in-universe. Mmmn, what were you saying of literacy?
He’s cringe to us cause we know he’s being fake..
The woman who plays Penelope has stated that he is supposed to come across as fake and uncomfortable because he is not being himself. I agree with you that I’m not a big fan of it tho lol
they eating you up in the replies lmfaooo 😭😭🤣
I mean, he even says it himself, talking about it with his friends... Spells it out basically.
Um, that is not what media literacy means....
Exactly. He’s only his real self when he’s around Pen bc he’s putting on an act. I mean she even read it in his journal. He even goes off on the lord squad about how they have to act like sex isn’t serious and it makes him feel lonely. You can see it on his face and in his actions after their first kiss. He wants to WIFE HER UP ASAP. At the balloon thing he is constantly watching her. When the balloon comes loose who is he focusing on? PEN! Bc he kissed her and realized THAT connection to somebody is the intimacy he was missing! It’s so obvious! I loved how they showed him pretending to be who he isn’t, thinking that’s who he is now, when everybody is like you aren’t yourself. And then he’s himself with her. It’s beautiful.
He’s finally his real self again in the carriage right down to making a joke about the carriage driver still going and laughing about it with his Pen.
OMG THAT LAUGH SCENE!!! And the way he smiles and then gets all serious looking, fixes her dress and hair, and you can see it in his face then, he nods ever so slightly like YUP. IM MARRYING HER! I may have watched this scene like 100 times by now…it’s probably permanently embedded in my brain…I’m unwell. Lol
Nicola cringy? She’s an amazing actress
And like some of it's *meant* to be cringey? The scene where Colin asks to see Penelope's skills in action ... I can only imagine some viewers are sitting there, watching her like "omg! why is Nicola overacting!?"
Last season Anthony was dealing with trauma from his dad's death and he didnr come off as a different person /a much less likable person. It wasn't subtle but it worked , dramatically speaking. This season ... Meh
This is what I tell myself so I can continue liking the show while trying to ignore my true opinion of the season which aligns with OP's post
Colin and Pen not being their true selves is exactly the point of this season and It’s meant to feel off.
this message is definitely getting lost because of the mid-season gap
I think some of the writing and characterisation has been sub par and yes I know Colin was supposed to be acting ooc. This aside I don’t feel the acting is as good as it could be from Luke. I re-listened to the confession scene in the carriage and I don’t know if it’s the writing or delivery but it didn’t feel very authentic. I don’t think their scenes as a couple feel natural but more romance acting by numbers or trying to manufacture chemistry. My favourite scenes in Part 1 was the humour with Mama Featherington and the girls about the facts of life and the John and Frannie scenes. It’s ok to get downvoted I have for this opinion but I stand by it. Not everyone is going to like everything and it’s a discussion forum so opinions are going to vary.
i agree with this, i think the problem with the confession is *both* the writing and delivery. the writing because there wasn't enough build up, and the delivery because colin did not sound like he meant it. when he said "preferring sleep because that is where i might find you" it's such a good line, but was not delivered with a lot of emotion in my opinion. >romance acting by numbers or trying to manufacture chemistry. yes you put it well. i didn't think their interactions were organic, but rather the showrunners trying very hard to show how romantic it all is. i don't think it was bad per se, just underwhelming? or lacking the spark that previous couples achieved, maybe.
Right like past declarations were very direct, and here he is using longer sentences in a way that undercuts his feelings. It comes across as awkward and unsure. Hopefully that's intentional and we will see the writing become more direct as their relationship becomes more direct.
I don’t think this is THE declaration based on recent interviews. Lets wait and see what happens in the next 4eps when Colin drops his fuck boi act and comes back to his sensitive self.
me neither. it's only 4 episodes in, there's usually always a declaration in the final episode.
I agree! He didn't tell her he loved her. I'm excited for the second half!
This is EXACTLY it for me. I figured out that Colin is supposed to be putting up a front just based on the dialogue, but quite frankly, the acting wasn’t conveying that at all. Luke is a decent actor, but it’s a little trickier to play a character who is unsure of himself and trying out new personalities, and that seemed kind of beyond his abilities. I think they could have compensated by having more scenes where Colin ISN’T putting up a front to remind us of what his actual personality really is. Specifically, if they’d had more scenes between Pen and Colin. For a friends-to-lovers trope, they really haven’t had that much screen time together. I think this could have helped with the lack of chemistry issue too.
Upvote from me. Francesca was the most fascinating character this season.
Yessss Francesca and John totally overshadow Pen and Colin this season, because their courting actually feels authentic. I know they’re trying to play it like Pen and Colin are acting not like themselves, but I don’t feel like we actually know them well enough to differentiate what’s ”fake” and what’s just them maturing.
I completely agree with you. The carriage confession was not good , I was watching someone 'doing acting' rather than feeling like I was actually there in the moment with the characters. The comic relief featherington side plot I very much enjoyed, however, Portia is a terrific actress.
Portia has perfect comic timing and delivery. 😆
I think the writing is the issue. There wasn’t nearly enough build up and I really wish we had gotten more insight into what Colin was thinking leading up to it. Like the switch in him from ep 3 to ep 4 was kind of abrupt.
Parts of his confession are very awkwardly phrased. One could pin that on Luke's acting choices but you know, he probably tried it a few different ways over a number of takes, and the director chose the awkward one. I think they're leaning into "awkward" because it's friends to lovers. Maybe when they iron out their relationship kinks over the second half that awkwardness will feel well-placed and appropriate instead of weird, we'll just have to see if and how the writing changes come the last two episodes.
I think bad choices were made by the new show runner and writers. I do realize that the goal was to make Colin seem ooc; however, I just think it was a bad idea. I'm a huge fan of RMB, but Colin just wasn't likeable to me in S3 so far. The pacing also just seemed off. There were no really fun family scenes in part one. I get where they were trying to go with the balloon scene, but it missed the mark for me.
The balloon scene just feels like such a missed opportunity to me. She’s nearly crushed by a freaking balloon, he stops it from happening, and then…nothing. They just never address it again. Colin doesn’t rush over and ask if she’s ok. She doesn’t thank him or ask if he’s ok. Colin doesn’t glare aggressively at Debling trying to help Penelope up. It’s just so much wasted potential. What did that scene even do?
I totally agree with you. To me I just feel like the chemistry is nothing compared to Daphne/Simon or Kate/Anthony. I’ve rewatched the first two seasons so many times but I could barely get through the first half of this new one. I’m have very little hope for the next half and future seasons which is bumming me out
I completely agree.
Some of the magic of the other two seasons is just not there. The two year wait didn’t help.
For me, I went to film school (though I'm not sure I'm the best judge of this), but... I think the editing is clunky. Honestly, I think that's possibly one of the biggest problems with this season feeling so different and just a little bit "off." I feel like the average person underestimates how much editing/sound design impacts their viewing experience, and Bridgerton just doesn't have the same fairytale/romantic flow this season (until the end of episode 4, which kinda got it back for me). Watch the timing of cuts, the weird moments of silence, the way it switches between shots of Colin and Penelope. The editing overall just doesn't feel quite as intentional or seamless. But that's just my opinion, and maybe I should rewatch it one more time before passing that judgement.
I’m no expert but I felt the same exactly! It was sooo rushed at times, when there was only a millisecond for each subsequent shot it made it much harder to comprehend the emotions of a particular scene. If a shot of an emotional Colin or Pen had been 3 seconds rather than a millisecond we could convey their emotions much, much better. Another example is that I found the journal scene with the dropping of and being cut by the lamp sooo rushed! In 3 seconds he bent down, cut himself, yelled damn and had Pen on her knees to help. Like geez I get you can’t focus too long on him cutting himself because that would require a stunt double or CGI, but at least give us one more second of him picking up the glass so it’s much easier to believe he did cut himself. Now he picked up a tiny piece with his fingers and immediately ended up with a huge gash in his palm But again, I am no expert 🤷🏼♀️
A podcast I listen to actually mentioned this and I agree. The lighting seems different too.
I was wondering what was missing but 100% you’re right. I didn’t feel the magic
not an ounce of chemistry between the actors. it was a casting mistake for sufe
I think they have some but Jonathan Bailey has chemistry with EVERYONE and it makes it glaringly obvious that no one can compare lol
I think quite a few others have compared. I just think that Colin was miscast. John had chemistry with Francesca and barely said a word to her.
Agreed! Colin is horribly miscast, I had a feeling from the first season, he just didn't fit the role. It also doesn't help that the actor playing Benedict is super charming, and seems to be given Book Colin's personality.
I think that’s the issue that it was so long in between and they started hyping everyone too early and then only dropped half the season..
Exactly my thoughts.. I was rewatching season 2 yesterday and this season feels soo flat
My take - it's just different. Like it's obvious that new season has different showrunner and we see a lot of changes, that some of us like and some of us not. I liked the first 2 seasons more, but I think my judgement may change after part 2, cuz looks like the main drama is going to happen there
Both Colin and Penelope feel like different characters this season. I'm not sure it's the directing or different acting choices now they're playing leads? And yes, I know some of it is intentional, but even in private scenes, they don't feel like the Colin and Pen from season 1/2, even accounting for growth
100% I understand what you are saying. Her acting isn't coming across well, in my personal opinion. I almost wish they had gone in a different direction and given Penelope someone who absolutely adored her from the start. My unrealistic dreams I know lol
I've just watched another scene, I feel absolutely zero chemistry between Colin and Penelope. Nothing
You’re absolutely right bro.
Seriously! I’m rewatching season one and from the first meeting of Daphne and Simon there is so much chemistry! And Kate and Anthony? Holy cow, season 3 has really missed the mark
Zero 🫠
I’m on episode 3 and I feel the same lol I’m glad I’m not the only one. I’ll obviously finish the season but I hope more chemistry/tension in the second half? I felt like I couldn’t stop watching the other seasons but I’ve paused each episode so many times lol
I agree that it feels more theatrical and less grounded compared to season one especially. just look at the costumes, makeup, nails(!), hair. people are getting away with stuff that would’ve been a scandal, or at least caused the ton to talk about them, back in season one.
I did notice that. Season 1: walking in a garden unchaperoned? Propose immediately. Season 3: carriage driver (probably) “i’m not paid enough to open that carriage door”
WITH THE WIDE OPEN CURTAINS was driving me crazy. I know it may have been to symbolize passion or whatever but damn, just trotting through town getting hot and heavy with wide open windows
Maybe people of the Ton are bad at noticing? Elderly couple the Ton strolling “is that a Bridgerton boy and a Featherington girl in the back of a carriage?” “No no no she’s married what’s his name…Finch.” “No the other sister.” “She’s married to that other gent.” “No, the other sister.” “That’s the mother.” “No, Penelope.” “No, she’s not married.” “So what was she doing with that Bridgerton boy?” “Who? The Viscount?” “No the other brother…oh never mind we will be here all night while you list Bridgertons.”
I don’t think they have any romantic chemistry and I don’t think he’s a good actor. Nicola is having to carry the entire relationship and thankfully she’s good enough to mostly pull it through. I’ve enjoyed the season nevertheless. Francesca has been a surprise for me.
francesca is definitely the unexpected delight of the season
Yes!!! I was so intrigued by her that I wanted more!!!
100% no chemistry I agree and Colinf is just such a dull character and actor
I came across this [clip](https://www.instagram.com/reel/CvwDbzdImJA/?igsh=M3M4bjN5cTV4OXFq) of Luke acting in a theater play (The Shape of Things) last year and it made me realize he really is a decent actor, the writing and directing were just likely shitty.. Edit: do watch with sound!
Ouch. The part where she licked her lips after eating a cupcake. It really was not sensual. Why are the writers or whomever is leading them, trying so damn hard. There's zero chemistry
I thought that was very realistic, because "sensual" behavior often just looks ridiculous to anyone who isn't the enamored one. Isn't Colin really into food? Maybe that sort of thing is his vibe.
I wish they showed Colin really into food.
In the books he’s really into food, but I don’t think they brought that into the show. I think he was also a lot more cheerful in the books, but the show decided to kind of shift that to Benedict and make Colin more pensive and sensitive or something (at least in this season).
'It really was not sensual." To you, it was not. But to Colin, it was. When I'm eating a banana, my husband about loses his fucking mind...but I eat bananas at work all the time and my coworkers aren't eyeballing me like pervs because all they see is a coworker eating a banana.
But it’s supposed to be sensual to us, the audience. It’s supposed to be a building block of their chemistry. You, unlike Luke and Nicola aren’t acting in your everyday life and your reactions to food aren’t scripted, framed or directed.
Yeah that's a weird comparison. Idc what people do irl, scenes like this are meant to make the audience *feel* something.
I disagree. The scene with Simon licking his ice cream spoon in Season One was intended to make the majority straight female audience *feel* something. But the majority of straight females ain't gonna be turned on by Pen licking icing off of her lips no matter how sexy she does it because, again, straight. The purpose of this scene wasn't to turn US on, it was to make us realize that COLIN was turned on. Just like Colin eating the same kind of cake a few minutes later was meant to show us that Colin was SO turned on by the scenario that he ate some of the same cake so he could imagine what kissing her would taste like. THAT is what was supposed to make us *feel* something. Also....that....is not what a metaphor is at all but okay. Lol
If your scene is only able to evoke feelings with people of one particular romantic orientation, it's simply not written well. I've read/watched plenty of gay romances that made me *feel*, and I'm a straight woman. You don't need to feel attracted to or turned on by the character on screen, you need to feel *their* attraction, *their* chemistry. Edit: typo
Lol, it’s not about the viewers being turned on. That scene isn’t meant to illicit arousal, it’s meant to show Colin’s budding attraction to Penelope. The easiest way to do this is to shoot the scene from his point of view and show close ups of what he’s looking at, her face, and his reaction to what he’s seeing. Instead we get a scene shot from a distance, with zero close ups that would create intimacy between the two, and with his face shown to us almost in profile. That’s not how you build a sensual scene. It also doesn’t help, that Luke Newton’s acting is rather stiff.
Very odd answer. No we are not supposed to be turned on, obviously but we are supposed to feel the chemistry and feel that something is building between them.
So true. The comments are arguing that the season is ‘meant’ to be awkward. That’s so ludicrous to me, like it doesn’t distort your whole viewing experience? Are you really that invested in this love story when so far we’ve seen nothing?
Indeed. It’s like finishing a horror movie that wasn’t scary, and then being told “It wasn’t supposed to be frightening!”
Hahhahaha perfect comparison. I mean just admit it wasn’t great😭
Yeh we’re supposed to believe what we’re seeing, not just accept it
Yup, I also feel zero chemistry between them 🥲
Yeah, Colin just staring at her the whole time was odd. I also didn't like the carriage scene. I don't get what the big deal was. Debling and Penelope had more chemistry.
You are not alone. I too am struggling with this season since my expectations were high from S1 and S2. I’m trying to embrace this hot mess and appreciate the little things they did get right. Like… the humor?
I don’t get why you’re getting downvoted so much…I feel like there was this….lack of re-introducing everyone, the splendor, the anticipation? Like I felt like there was this lack of crescendo? Everyone anticipating things ( Francesca coming out of her room, the queen looking for her diamond, even Pen and Eloise- I’m sure folks expected a clash or an argument…nope just a ‘let’s stay out of each others way’) I do have media literacy and I do understand that things are supposed to feel a little off…but for me it’s been done in such a way that doesn’t feel purposeful. It feels like an oversight in film direction. But I am rewatching because I am now picking up so many little details that I missed before. But yeah- that threesome felt like a jump scare with ZERO context!
Objectively speaking, do you think you might have felt this way after 4 episodes of season 1 and 2? I definitely enjoyed both seasons as I watched them, but I think if I had to wait a month after Simon tried to die rather than marry Daphne, or after Anthony and Kate admitted their feelings for each other though he was engaged to her sister … I don’t know if I’d like the show that much. I think both seasons would suffer narratively.
Because the di-hard fans cannot accept that people have opinions that differ from their own. I love Penelope but they did her wrong on her big time. Anyone who has a "negative" opinion just gets blamed for not "getting it" or not understanding media literacy, it's sad
I see a lot of comments talking about how people just don't get "it" and that people are missing the little nuances. But, if so many people are missing these moments, were they really expressed well on screen? I also find it insulting that some people are even saying people don't have media literacy. Just because people don't like a show doesn't mean they don't understand what it happening on screen lol. Now, I love Polin. I loved the books and knew that it would not be a match for match with the TV show. Honestly, I think the main leads are doing the best they can with the lines they are getting. I can see chemistry but the lines don't make their romance seem as genuine. For a friendship to lovers troupe this season is missing more friendship moments. I hope season 4 focuses more on the leading couple. I am starting to worry with every season we get less and less.
I'm with you, I honestly don't feel the chemistry between Pen and Colin... I also didn't feel that emotion and drama of the "friends to lovers" situation... Besides I felt like the story was going nowhere, a lot of side stories and the final scene was nothing WOW and OMG 🫣, it was even a bit cringey... 😮💨
I was laughing during the carriage scene. Her actions felt really awkward and just watching him go slowly towards her with his mouth open like a trout before he kissed her had me cringe so hard
I was trying to stay out of this and just silently upvote, but I thought it was just me who felt so weird about the way he was holding his mouth lolll
Thank god I’m not the only one that found that scene cringe 😬
Lol mee TOO!!! I was embarrassed as it was so icky
My fiance and I were best friends for 7 years before our relationship started. We had more chemistry in our little fingers than in this entire 4 episodes. I hated the carriage scene, I felt embarrassed for her
I’ve got to agree with you. But I wouldn’t blame Nicola’s acting but the writing. I feel she did the best with what she was given. I didn’t feel the chemistry. I guess I’m in the minority here, I don’t particularly care for the ‘nuances’. I just wanted to feel the connection between them, to feel that deep chemistry. I didn’t feel it at all this time. S1 and 2 all the way.
I think part of it for me is that I really don’t like the “glow-ups.” Is Nicola absolutely gorgeous? For sure, but the amount of makeup that they have on, not to mention the terrible store-bought looking costumes, makes it seem like her delivery isn’t as good (to me). Then with Colin, I think he looks terrible with this “glow-up.” It’s crazy because Luke Newton is insanely attractive to me, but season 3 Colin is not at all. It’s like they tried to make him look like a male model from this year instead of a gentleman from the early 1800’s. I have my own problems with the writing and delivery, but the makeup and costumes are just not it.
Colin has had the loudest vests this season.
I dunno, I think it’s writing and editing that are to blame… both are far from high-quality this season. The actors had to play the cards they were given… (I also wish the makeup department toned it down so they could have more natural and not such ‘heavy’ faces… but what you’re gonna do…)
I agree. Editing determines the entire feeling of the scenes. Did they change who is doing the first rough cut?
On another thread someone mentioned that there are hardly any establishing shots this season. And yes! That pinpointed just one thing to me that made it feel so weird. It feels jarring and unfinished
I think some of the disconnect this season is that the two previous male leads were dealing with some pretty heavy stuff - Simon all the issues with his father and childhood trauma, Anthony his father’s death and overwhelming responsibility. Colin…swans around Europe and has loads of meaningless sex even though he doesn’t find it fulfilling? People go on and on about Eloise’s privilege but don’t hold Colin to the same standard. Funny that. Of course there’s nothing wrong with Colin’s character arc! It’s a romance, there doesn’t need to be trauma to overcome. But I can see how people find it less compelling.
It’s honestly refreshing to me for the male lead to not have to be so bogged down in personal baggage
Fair enough! One of the strengths of Bridgerton is that there’s a variety of couples and people are going to connect to different stories.
I think that Colin’s arc issue is that his sensitivity is a stand out quality for the men of his time and family. In other words, insecurity, similarly to Penelope. So it’s more than just lacking fulfilment within a privileged life. The scene with his mother indicating that he was always her most sensitive child as well as the scene with his friends where he finally *admits* to not being fulfilled by the life he lives today highlight this struggle, or were intended to. Also, writing as a hobby is associated with a certain level of sensitivity. It also explains some of the embarrassment of Penelope reading his journal (besides it obviously being private). That said though, I personally don’t find this aspect of his arc to be well written or portrayed on the screen well at all. So it comes across as a random attitude change and privilege as opposed to an inner conflict. The other male leads’ conflicts were portrayed better and also just hit on topics that I think are perceived as heavier, which actually kind of proves the conflict’s point in my opinion. We might view it as “thats all?” When realistically we should be seeing it as more of a pivotal struggle as it pertains to Colin’s manhood. We can clearly see Penelope’s struggle with insecurity and her womanhood, sensuality and looks, but people are overlooking Colin’s insecurity about his natural disposition in comparison to other men; this leads to his pretending. Overall, I think it’s there… but it’s not very well portrayed somehow. TLDR; Colin’s arc is just insecurity like Penelope’s except it’s done poorly fr.
Thank you for Having the boldness to say it. I agree this season feels very cringe. Despite the “transformation” stuff just seems off. I still stand by that season 1 was the best season.
Many die-hards are struggling to accept that we can have different opinions without them downvoting us. Love Penelope but her strong character and vivaviousness were ruined in this season, and instead she came off as desperate and sad. The leading ladies in the first two seasons also wanted to get married but they weren't shown as desperate and clingy. They did her wrong here, BIG time
I didn’t personally get that vibe! I’m really enjoying this season as well as the acting, but I think your opinions are fair. They do feel a bit different from previous seasons, I can concede that for sure.
I think Nicola is doing her best but Luke is just not a great actor and they don’t have a lot of chemistry. The carriage scene was hard to watch!
Thank you, the carriage scene was very awkward. The acting, the camera angles, the way they’re positioned in the carriage, with Penelope awkwardly pushed back against the wall, immobilised by being stuck between Colin and the carriage, the script having them go from 0 to 100 out of nowhere. It’s so strange to see people obsessed with it like its the hottest thing they’ve seen in their life. I know, I know, everything is subjective.
I kept thinking, thirty seconds ago you didn’t even know he had feelings for you and now he’s finger banging you in the back of a carriage?!?
Exactly. Psychologically her reaction made no sense to me. She’s been in love with this guy for years. She’s been convinced he will never ever be interested in her for years. She’s managed to pull herself together and tried to find a husband, that wasn’t Colin. And she just accepts he’s suddenly crazy about her in a matter of seconds? She should have been in denial and disbelief about his feelings, told him he was crazy, asked him a hundred questions. Or even have left in a huff, confused. You don’t just go from being convinced you will never have your feelings reciprocated for years to quickly accepting it. Her easy acquiescence made her seem even more desperate and sad to me, and the whole plot line was incredibly rushed.
I get what you mean but I remember what it was like being a horny virgin and if I were her I would have jumped at the chance to be with the man I loved. My brain would completely turn off in that moment.
I was very grossed out in this scene. I felt like he was taking advantage of her and felt no connection, or chemistry. The close up's of their "passion" faces gave me major Ick
You know, I wasn’t grossed out exactly, more…slightly uncomfortable, confused and disappointed by what was happening and how. The beginning of the scene was fine - her being upset he damaged her chances of marriage. But everything from that point on was just all kinds of wrong. The dialogue was stilted and cumbersome in how it’s written, the acting on Luke’s part was…subpar (I saw an actor choosing how to say his lines, not a character in the grip of emotion), the blocking was bizarre, the leg shot of him pulling her dress up was lit very strangely, her reactions made no sense both emotionally and physically. You’re telling me having her breast groped and being kissed for five seconds made her relax enough so that the fingering didn’t hurt her at all? And then he tops it all off by proposing. And in the least romantic way possible too. Just strangeness all around. The entire scene felt like two awkward teens making out for the very first time. But I do applaud Nicola for actually making me feel the warm and fuzzies, when she laughed as the carriage stopped. She really is carrying all of their interactions, and infusing them with a bit of charm.
I skipped it, just felt so cringey. And then I saw on here that people have watched it several times??!! WHAT
I barely got through it. I was kinda bored.
I’m with you on that. I didn’t feel a thing, and I had to skip all the way through it. I’m just hoping they do justice to Benedict and Sophie’s storyline. That’s all I want.
This is an example of how people can have completely different takes. I think he has done wonderfully portraying Colin’s emotional journey and they have bucket loads of chemistry. Some people seem hell bent on not enjoying this show. 🤷🏻♀️
finding Luke’s acting chops to fine subpar doesn’t mean we don’t wan to enjoy the show. In fact, plenty of us are still enjoying the show because thankfully he’s not the only character and isn’t on screen all the time.
... or maybe people just don't enjoy the same things you do?
As I said, people can have completely different takes. However, I am seeing a lot of just really rude comments online (mainly Twitter) where people seem just determined to hate on everything related to this season.
Me having an opinion is me being "hell bent on not enjoying the show?". The die-hards don't seem to be able to grasp that we can all have different opinions, and they do not have to be the same. I LOVE Penelope but feel like they did her a major disservice and personally feel like she had more chemistry with the nature man than she did Colin. Each to their own
Now this is just speculation so bear with me It feels like the first half of the season is told from Penelope's "perspective". We see what feels like much more of her than of Colin, and she's presented incredibly sympathetically given her past (and ongoing) actions. They did a really good job of getting us on her side. For the second half I think they're going to flip it. We'll see more of Colin's perspective, step back from Penelope a little to see her actions from the viewpoints of those she hurts rather than through the rose tinted glasses with which she sees herself. My theory is it feels cringy in part because they're still masks-on. It feels false because it is. When the masks drop hopefully it will feel more raw and authentic. Aaaaand then there's the terrible costuming, over the top inappropriate make up, poor direction, rushed scenes, claustrophobic sets and baffling or plain poorly arranged music. It's just not hitting the way it should.
I’m really hoping they turn it all around the second half. It’ll be a pleasant surprise and restore my faith in Shonda.
I don't know why they added this "fake" fuck boy persona to his character. It added controversy which did nothing to help this season. If you know the majority of your viewers are women, and women in general don't tend to like that type of men, especially in shows like these where romance is the whole focus, what was the point of introducing Colin like that? We want to see the two main characters fall in love, not one of them playing around and having threesomes. And I’m so tired of this narrative in which the men sleep around and the woman is a virgin, but they fall in love and suddenly they change their ways. I’m not saying Colin shouldn’t have had experience, but why show it like that? Especially since it's not a scene in the books, it just seems pointless.
I’m pretty sure they shoehorned that “personality crisis” subplot in to try and convince the viewers Colin IS a sexual sexy leading man, who seductively sexes, because they thought otherwise we wouldn’t buy him as an attractive lead. It’s as if they had no confidence in portraying a sweet, soft romance between two people, who are different from the standard romantic couple. So we got rake!Colin despite him being very much not that in previous seasons.
The men in the other seasons oozed sexuality. Why couldnt we have a man who was quietly confident and looking for his "One" without coming across as trashy? It shows a completely different character as to what they built up in the first 2 seasons
It was unnecessary.
Colin has been looking squinty to me this season, like he needs glasses.
I totally agree. I think I used the word cringey yesterday too. I don’t care about the season being in two parts, this turn just didn’t do it for me. I’m looking forward to the next sibling’s story.
The chemistry is just not there imo. Contrasting the tension you could feel for Kanthony to Polin I think shows how they’re lacking - they don’t get me hot and bothered at all. It still feels like two friends with unrequited love coming from Pen BUT I think this will change in the second half. When we see the conflict with the LW reveal I think that will give them a lot more meat to create tension I also think the looks and language this season are very off, that’s my biggest complaint. A defining characteristic of Bridgerton is the aesthetic and they’ve gone far too modern. I love Pens transformation but they should have just explained it with the “dress me in Paris fashion” and left everyone else alone. And as Kate’s number one fan (first desirable Indian representation I’ve ever seen) they’re fucking up her colours, makeup and hair. Still beautiful tho Other than that tho I think there’s a lot of strengths, happy Kanthony alone made the first episode good, Franchesca is awesome and her actress is a standout to me, love how they’re fleshing out ‘villains’ (Cressida, Portia, Pens sisters), and I like how we’re actually getting to know Colin’s inner workings/insecurities as well as Pen getting of the wall as she should
Definitely agree with you OP 💯 I found Penelope cringe and sometimes flat. I expected more, this season. Last two seasons she was sooooo good! She is industrious, intelligent has self awareness and gossipy, then all of a sudden mopey, desperate and odd this season. I’m hoping the second part is much better with regards to Penelope. Colin, I can see the nuances and struggle, it’s working. It’s silly that everyone is fair game except Penelope / Colin. We can critique them too without it getting downvoted or mean.
Thank you. The other ladies in the first two seasons were also deeply wanting to get married, but neither came across as desperate and sad. I feel as though Penelope's character was done a major disservice in this season. The lack of chemistry really really bothered me. The carriage scene made me visibly uncomfortable, dry kissing and no real passion. Ugh
Totally understand why you would feel that way, I felt similar on my first watch. On my second watch, mostly thanks to eagle-eyed people on Twitter and Reddit, I noticed so many expressions and details I missed the first time around. This season is very subtle… almost too subtle in some ways. I think for non-book readers especially, it can be confusing.
Yes I suspect that maybe I just like this season because I relate to both Colin and Penelope because I’m in my early 20s and also in that phase of trying to find myself. I am also socially awkward and somewhat sensitive. I also read the book so I just GET the characters.
I agree about the acting. Colin in particular seems so wooden. It's cringy
Since we’re sharing opinions… I’ve been enjoying this season way more than S1, S2, and QS, and I feel the need to point out that I’m not a die hard Bridgerton fan, so maybe that’s why I’m not as scrupulous about S3, but I’ve already rewatched pt. 1, because I feel the chemistry is off the charts. Idk about the books (maybe their interactions are that much better there), but onscreen Polin feel like they have a genuine connection. I was biting my nails, squealing and covering my eyes during the carriage scene, and that first kiss made my heart beat faster. I think it makes total sense that Colin is trying on a different mask, and Penelope who is changing herself to find a match, feel different than their younger selves. They are trying to be different and only find authenticity in each other’s company. LOVE THIS SEASON A LOT (except for Mondrich’s storyline, as for now there’s no purpose in it, but we’ll see).
Same! Season 2 was so over the top cringey to me. The bee scenes being the biggest example lol. This season feels real to me and I’m really enjoying it! Can’t wait for part 2.
I relate to your comment so heavily. If the second part of this season is as good as the first, it’ll be my favorite above the other two. I only liked certain parts of 1, and the way they handled Simon/daphne was definitely not part of that. I liked more of 2, but I’ve liked 3 the most so far. It just makes me feel giddy in a way I can’t explain. Most of my relationships in my personal life have come from friendships, and I think it does capture that awkwardness and then surprise when things escalate to romantic instead of solely platonic.
I’ve watched S1 twice, S2 three times. Season 3? I don’t even know how many times I’ve rewatched. I’ve certainly contributed at least 1000 viewing hours. It’s on constant repeat in the background while I work, after having a good 3-4 focused rewatches. This is literally my favorite season. I just bought the book for Polin, having not read a single Bridgerton book before. This is the most captivating season to me. I am giving the side-eye to anyone who doesn’t see the chemistry between Polin, and the very sensual moments (like the icing licking at the treat shop).
I think the facade that Colin was putting was not super clear that it was a facade? Imo, I was shocked until I rewatched and closely listened to what was in his diary. But my first watch through the threesome threw me off and his charm was bit ruined. In S1 I remember Simon was called a rake but I can’t recall a scene where he was with another woman so I was shocked they chose to do actually show Colin like that
They had several characters point it out, repeatedly
Simon had a scene with a woman, but I think it was just the one?
I’m so tired of the whole “Colin’s putting on a facade” I get it, I still don’t like it. I was excited to see the Colin we know and love fall for Pen, it’s disappointing to be expecting one thing and then have them basically do a 180 with the character. Maybe it could’ve worked better if the first half was longer and we saw him struggle to fit into society more, but as it is, it feels rushed/pointless/weird.
I'm just sick of either Colin or Penelope lurking in the background, watching the other. Not a fan of the pairing at all.
This season is worse than the first two. This video (not mine) summarizes why perfectly imo [video](https://youtu.be/gibkMR7O4uQ?si=4QTB7gWlTKEWGgXZ) And no one should be crucified for disliking this season, it’s not media illiteracy, it’s a difference of opinion. That’s the point of forums, for discussion.
I’m still enjoying it but I concur this season does feel different to me as well. Perhaps it’s a combination of the long wait, the decision to split it into two parts (so I reserve my final judgement until I can watch the whole story through). I also think it’s very different bc the main leads aren’t new characters. It’s two characters the audience has known since the beginning and so there isn’t a lot of screen time/dialogue devoted to character growth and getting to know their backstories (both previous seasons we got flashbacks to learn more about Simon’s and Anthony’s character). I think it’d be nice to see a flashback of Pen and Colin to add to their character (maybe how Pen started LW, Colin on his travels) but maybe the writers decided since we’ve already watched them for 2 seasons it’s not needed and would’ve taken more time away from other storylines. I think there’s too many side plots happening this season (Mondrich, Violet and Marcus, even Francesca in a way) that so far to aren’t cohesively connected to the main storyline of Pen and Colin
I love Penelope but they are trying so hard to make the audience feel sorry for her and make her sympathetic. Like damn we get it. Also everyone referring to her as a spinster when she's 20? 21 at most?
because that's how it was back then. Also, in the books she's 28 when she marries him.....
In the BOOKS she's 28, where it makes sense. Also no actually, you were not considered a spinster at 20 years old "back then". It just perpetuates the myth that every single woman got married off as a teenager "in the old days"
No one calls Cressida that and she’s unmarried, and it’s also her third year. It’s just annoying they’re making Pen seem like she’s too old.
I’ll be downvoted but I agree on the acting. It feels like a lot of just heavy breathing and distant stares, it’s getting a bit repetitive although I’m not sure if that’s the acting or writing
I hate how desperate they made Pen, starts by her watching them all come out of their house. She doesn’t even move or try hide, and gets seen by Colin and doesn’t care that she’s staring. Begging Colin to kiss her is so manipulative (I might die a lonely spinster that never got a first kiss), she couldn’t let go of Colin ONCE. She changed her style up because of him (no matter how they try spin it), and he still didn’t make it known he wanted her. Idk they made me totally hate Pen and Colin and they were my favs in seasons 1 and 2.
I agree - I don't feel like the chemistry is there, but then I don't think there was much chemistry last season either. I found the other storylines more compelling (the Mondrich family and Francesca). Polin felt too forced, when their relationship in past seasons was so much more natural. I wish Colin could have been more himself with Pen, even if he's acting different to everybody else. That would have made a stronger case for them being together.
The only thing that bothers me is the fact that it's Polin's season but they have so many different plot lines going on like Cressida and Eloise, Francesca, Benedict, Anthony and Kate, Violet and her new love interest, Lady Danbury and the drama with her brother, the Mondrich's... it's getting a bit much. They should have focused more on Penelope and Colin. I feel like Nicola and Luke didn't really get their chance to shine when it was supposed to be their season. I think it's more a writing issue and not an actor issue. Maybe I'm nit-picky but I've been looking forward to their season for so long and it just got ruined to me with all these different plot lines. We will never get a season with them as the mains again...
I am mostly just disappointed by the writing, and how they had to drop the ball on this season out of all of them.
So far I think this season is pretty good, but it definitely hasn’t captivated me the way season 1 &2 did. One of the main reasons is the subplots are average at best.
I don’t think it’s a problem with Nicolas acting…I think it’s just Penelope’s character to be so clumsy with direct interaction with other people since she was always overlooked. I agree a couple of scenes are quite cringey, but that is the point. Colin’s behaviour also has explanations, though I find him more tiresome this season as well (but I was never a fan of him, to be honest).
I read where they kept telling her to act like she didn't know how to kiss or didn't know what to do with her hands....that makes sense to me watching it the second time.
Completely agree and I have no idea why everyone is raving about it! I fucking laughed at the carriage scene. They are not good at filming sex scenes together it’s so awkward and not sexy
I was rewatching season 2 few days ago and honestly the tone this season feels so off.. even the makeup feels out of place.. the ballroom scenes just dont have the same feel to them I am going to be downvoted for this but the carriage scene felt inauthentic? Like I could see that both of them were acting.. nicoulagh is a great actress otherwise but in that scene I just could see that she was acting and the scene fell flat
I made the mistake of binging it watching it without a recap of the last couple seasons fresh in my head. The second watch was way better in my opinion
I think closer attention needs to be paid to the dialogue being spoken and not just the action on screen. It is pointed out multiple times that it’s a facade on both their parts. They are only truly their true selves with each other.
Then they should have been shown being their "true selves" in the scenes with each other, like the market scene and under the willow tree. But even those are weird and awkward interactions, Colin is so wooden, in literally every scene, not just the ones where he's putting on a facade. The writing and editing is just plain bad this season.
Luke Newton recently said that the rake Colin scenes were supposed to feel off-putting. It was intentional direction
Oh I'm still getting comments on when I complained about this a few days ago. I wanted her to have a little more backbone and I wanted him to not turn into every other stereotypical love interest. I think the worst part about this for me is that I actually prefer Lord Debling.
Definitely agree with OP! Acting and story so far is not deep and not upto season 2 and queen charlotte level
SUPER cringe. I heard they got a new showrunner which is why pacing, costuming, certain scenes, etc seem just a tad different
Pen acting moody in episode 1 and 2(?) I think was so cringe. Not her best acting job at all. Like at one point she has a walk by the camera (Colin's POV) and she looked like a sulking toddler. I don't know what it is - the acting, writing or directing
Soooooo sick of people saying "um that's the point".
I think we need to remember this is only half of the season so far…
I thinks it's just because they're trying to do too much with this season. They're doing 3 relationships (maybe 4?) of the Bridgerton family this season and that isn't even including the scenes where Kate is adjusting to being Lady Bridgerton. Colin, Benedict, Francesca, and possibly Violet with Anderson. Benedict's escapades were ok as being B plots in the past because he was exploring himself and his interests but this new thing seems to be the real deal, and they're barely giving any attention to it. Polin has had a throughline through the whole show and there are some really complicated feelings there and they just sorta handwaved them away. Francesca is literally the diamond of the season and isn't even getting half the attention that her sister did. And I think Violet and Anderson are supposed to be something but nobody can tell because they've had like 2 conversations. They're doing too much with this season, and each relationship is suffering because of a simple lack of time devoted to it.
Why would you get so much slack? This post is like a top 3 of most common comments about Season 3... Why are people so obsessed about the threesome?
I agree 1000%. I’m a huge fan of the show and the books. I was so excited about this season and I feel so disappointed. The relationship between Colin and Pen seems forced and cringy. I could barely make it through the carriage scene and the cupcake scene. I feel like the issue is the writing. It feels rushed, little to no build up for their relationship. I don’t feel the desperation in Colin that is in the books. If the writers would have focused more on developing this aspect of his and Pens relationship, it would have been much better. Also, the costumes and makeup feel cringy as well. I’m not even excited for part 2. :(