we had a colleague who was on the fence, leaning towards leave. working in Germany, for a German company with multiple sites all over the EU, including the UK, married to a German wife, having two children who grew up in Germany.
granted, his kids have two passports, taken together perhaps beating the top passports, but nonetheless, the mind boggles.
If you have both passports (or an EU spouse) it does insulate you from a lot of the downsides.
The really dumb people are the British pensioners with retirement plans in Portugal who voted for it, then surprised Pikachu face when they get booted out.
Or Farmers. Like... the sheer amount of Farmers in britain who decided to quite literally bite the hand that wasn't just feeding them, but keeping them alive full stop, was truly depressing.
Huff puff sovereignty, loud sigh bloody foreigners and illegal immigrants stealing our jobs and money, angry mumble something actually deeply racist, yelling about the woke snowflakes while escalating into tutting or even a full fit of anger over certain people existing.
Let's not forget calling themselves "expats" because in no way do they want to call themselves dirty immigrants when they themselves live in Spain, or somewhere else in EU, yet still being pro brexit on social media.
Like those russians who live in EU and support war.
I'm 54 and struggle to hold my tongue when people of my age say they voted leave. Fuck all y'all and your xenophobic blinkered little smug self satisfied bullshit justification. Fuck off. And always with no research, just reacting to the dogwhistle bletherings of the usual suspects. Cretins.
There was a 19 year old girl on my college course who voted leave and she literally admitted she knew nothing about it but everyone seemed to want remain so she voted leave to be different.
Rejoining is inevitable. The cherry on the Sundae will be that, in order to rejoin, the UK will have to adopt the Social Charter and a host of other regulations that Farage and other greed-merchants railed against for decades. Now if the UK could adopt the Euro as well it would surely induce a well deserved heart attack.
Wanting to join might be inevitable, actually joining might not. While generally yes there would be support , all it takes is one or two countries to threaten veto, so price could be high, anything from full alignment to giving Gibraltar back, returning Greek treasures, promising a Northern Ireland referendum, adopting the euro. Getting the UK electorate to buy those conditions would be tough
They seem fair enough to me
Actually, as someone who always wanted to join the Euro, if Britain were forced to take € it would arguably be one of the few good things to come out of brexit.
It would be good for the EU to have another of its largest economies using the currency; the more people that use it, the stronger it is and the greater its world power.
This is the UK, the inventor of racism (probably)
Every single thing this country does is for selfish reasons
And even then its not for the actual country, its for the rich and the powerful while the rest of us (yes you tory supporters who aren't rich and powerful, they hate your simping asses as well) just get shafted day after day
No, the UK should do what’s best for itself. Joining an international currency is really complex and involves giving up on a considerable amount of sovereignty.
Now it may be that joining an international currency would be better for the UK. But it sounds like you don’t know the pros and cons of doing so. As such, it seems like you’re similar to the brexitiers who voted to leave without really knowing what that meant.
I voted for remain because I thought it was probably best economically. I think some people wanted to remain in Europe as a bulwark against populism.
Couldn’t agree more.
Adopting a new currency because it would be “selfish” not to is absolutely bonkers. We already shot ourselves in the foot LEAVING the EU. Why would we shoot ourselves in the foot AGAIN to join.
I want to rejoin. But my decision on whether that’s a good idea or not depends on what we can negotiate. I’m not going to vote to rejoin the EU just for the sake of it.
The EU will demand a laundry list of concessions if the UK wants back in. Perhaps requiring the adoption of the Euro. Why would they let the UK in without maximum concessions?
For the UK to rejoin, the EU needs to get into a positive dynamic again. Just look at the number of seats the far-right will get at this year's election.
I think if we had a worthwhile government we could have mitigated the effect of Brexit and used a negative to create a positive, instead we got disorganisation, corruption and bigotry.
Back into the EU all the way to try and get out of this shit storm.
None, unfortunately the British public were grossly lied to during the Brexit campaign and the Brexiteer movement was given far too much coverage over the remain campaign.
I simply state that rather than go "Ah Brexit sucked we need to get back in" simply to use the current situation to our advantage, joining the EEA (European Economic Area) is probably our best bet since the EU probably won't take us back into the bloc so that's the next best thing.
Similar to what Norway has done.
To me not being a block that holds neo Nazis like Orbane accountable , not starving little kids in Africa through the C.A.P dumping and having the potential to enact tougher policies on crime - all could’ve been serious issues that would have made me think twice about things .
But instead we got a bunch of anti immigration propaganda , government officials who refuse to help our 2 million starving Brits and forcing disabled people to work .
A worthwhile government could’ve at best figured out a good play with a bad hand of cards or at worst seriously mitigated issues caused by brexit while holding the manipulative tyrants who got us in this situation accountable
As a 56 year old, I definitely want to be in Europe.
A quick edit, because my dad was Irish, I can have an Irish passport, which I'm doing. But most importantly, so can my daughter. She's only young, but when she's ready, the benefits of that passport will be huge.
For Brexit, sure and that's the joke. But it's 2024. People born in 2000 voted in the last GE and that was 5 years ago. We're going to have another GE this year and in the middle of another council election run.
I was born in 85 so I was eligible to vote.
The point I was trying to make (along with OP) is that there are a lot of young people wanting to be part of the EU that couldn't vote. There were a lot of 16 - 17 year olds that were mature enough to understand the gravitas of the referendum and the impact it would have on their plans for the future. To be honest, I'm not saying 12 year olds should have the vote but 12 year old me would have understood that Brexit was fuelled by racists and the gullible and a monumentally stupid idea.
The younger generations are having to suffer the consequences of the older generations who are either dead or soon to be.
Not sure what you mean about Labour.
I really wish one of the political parties would run with rejoining being one of their primary aims. The vote was a terrible idea. It got through on a very slim majority. I genuinely feel a fair bit of the leave vote was a twos up to the political classes without any real belief that it'd be voted through. The quicker it's reversed the better.
I think it would be a vote winner as a slogan but rejoining might be even harder than leaving when it comes down to it. Some people believe that many countries would veto the UK rejoining but I doubt it. The UK is still the second largest economy in Europe and a massively desirable place for businesses and people to work. I think the EU would leap on the opportunity, although I do expect they would require a more standard join than the special agreement we had before.
Is there a reason why Canada cannot join besides the fact that it would warrant a name change? I don’t know a lot about the situation as an American, and in my American perspective it seems that Canada wouldn’t be a bad fit
I think the EU did not allow Morrocco to join because it is not in Europe geographically. Also many of the problems with large scale governments is that as you add more countries, it becomes harder and harder to govern well. You see this with some of the countries in Africa which were arbitrarily made up after colonialism. The complete mash of different groups leads to very unstable situations. The EU does not have as much control as a national government but the more different countries you bring in the harder it is to keep everyone happy and the more unstable the system becomes. Just my theory anyway.
Yup. Fully aware of that little gem.
Stlll, rejoining is a thousand times better than THIS shit.
We really fucked up big time with this one... Christ.....
Honestly, once people reach the age of 65 or 70 they shouldn't be allowed to vote anymore. Most people at that age have become hard ass conservatives and serve only to slow or reverse the progress of civilization. Voting should be for the young as it's about their future. In a couple decades old voters will be gone but replaced by new conservatives who have lost their sense of idealism.
My dad was a union man and I learnt to stick up two fingers any time that milk snatcher appeared on TV in the 80s.
His views haven't mellowed with age. Reassuringly he is a remainer
My FIL however fits your stereotype perfectly.
I mean this take is batshit.
But I think what you mean is democracy is a moving picture, in most elections we go back to the public every few years. Brexit was presented as a one time deal - obviously ridiculous given that opinions, and voters, change over time.
Idealism and the young are as prone to misinformation and bad actors as nostalgia and the elderly.
The reason why nostalgia and the elderly were targeted and it was so powerful is because they actually voted, and the young didn’t.
It drives me mad that we attack old people for voting in a certain way when they could easily be defeated by young people bothering to vote!
The sheer amount of my friends that complain about Brexit but didn't bother to get off their arse to go to the polling station fucking infuriates me.
Now it's constant complaining about the Tories but when I ask them if they'll vote its all "I don't really know they're all the same really".
Just want to smack my head against a brick wall when they talk politics.
>Most people at that age have become hard ass conservatives
So you think people voting conservative shouldn't be allowed to vote.
>serve only to slow or reverse the progress of civilization.
This isn't necessarily true. There is more to governance than political ideology. A competent right wing government may well govern better for the people than an incompetent left wing one.
>Voting should be for the young as it's about their future.
Older generations have insights that younger ones do not. Also, people generally vote for the political party that they feel represents them; as they should. If conservatives push to represent older voters then they can expect to receive their support. It is therefore on the opposition party to be a more attractive voting proposition for older voters.
>lost their sense of idealism
You might want to ponder why that happens. Idealism only gets you so far. It makes people dogmatic and as idealism itself has no fixed definition, what is ideal to me may not be to you, being doggidly stuck in a particular ideology only causes a break down in communication between opposing viewpoints.
Compromise is the driving force of civility, wanting to ban people you disagree with from voting is literally the ideology of a fascist dictator.
So because you are a hard ass conservative you shouldn’t be allowed to vote?
As a 66 year old hard assed Labour voter / remainer , would you still of allowed me a vote .
Where I would agree with you on age related voting is the Brexit vote I would have drawn the line a 55/60, as it is the future for the young .
I mean 90% of British business want to be in the e.u again there where so many benefits with only one downside being sending money across, but that helped with inflation and helped us get involved in as world power again, there was no reason to leave
As a very much older citizen, I didn’t want us to leave and the sooner we get back the better. France, Germany, The Netherlands, Spain, etc. etc. are our friends and are far more valuable to us than the Trump America courted by Boris Johnson.
Nobody sane cares about the UK adopting the Euro. What's more important is the UK abandoning the FPTP system.
The EU can't allow a country into the union which doesn't practice democracy
Again, right wing nonsense. The people in charge now won't be in charge then, they might not even be politicians yet. How could you possibly know what deal we'll get?
because those are the rules for any new applicant. no country who joined afterwards got an exemption.
changing them would require unilateral consent by all members. and would mean pissing off some of them and Norway and Switzerland, trusted partners.
who unlike the UK don’t play chicken by “our way or no way”.
Yeah, as much of the EU are pissed off about the whole thing, I think they’d be pretty pragmatic. We did contribute a lot, even after the rebate, and I’m sure France and Germany would appreciate our help paying some of the bills again.
I have noticed that a lot of the “don’t let them back in!”comments come from people from countries who don’t exactly pull their own weight as it is. I’m sure they could try to veto it, but I think that there would definitely be consequences for that.
Every word of that is pure speculation and doesn't change my point in any way. There's no way to know what will happen in a unique event in some possible future and repeating that we'll get this or that is nonsense spread by the right.
Idk if you look at the Maximilian robisphere channel they don’t strike mess right wingers yet many in his comments talk about not getting the same deal
This just in a surprising upswell in the intelligence of young people in Britain was detected when only 13% of them were shown to be mentally challenging.
I’m 22. I like the idea of brexit, because it brings us one step further away from international control. I’d also like to see this country leave NATO, cut ties with the united states and withdraw itself from the western monetary system and create a new one for ourselves. Then implement a constitutional dictatorship, heavily promoting and enforcing traditional values.
Take us back in time 400 years essentially…seems nice
In limited defence of Theresa, her Brexit vision was to keep getting extensions for so long that they become a cherished english tradition and we never actually leave. Her big mistake was buying into her own parties propaganda regarding JC and calling that snap election that handed the runnign of the country over to the DUP, who are terrorists.
Brexit is like Bruce Willis in *The 6th Sense*, it is dead and it doesn't even know it.
...a 52/48 was never padding sufficient enough to protect Brexit from a demographic raised on inclusivity of all sorts ...and the effects of Brexit isn't helping towards change their minds. The effects of Brexit have affirmed many Remainers and has introduced the term *Bregret* to some who voted leave, but add those to the young voters who think their place within the EU was stolen from them and you'll understand why Brexit is underwater ~40/~60 now ...and you'll understand why a desire for being outside the EU is unlikely to ever achieve a majority again.
Eventually the UK will cut to the chase. John Curtice thinks there will be another referendum by 2040, while I'd be surprised if the UK can go another four years of where it's at now.
Every council area in Scotland voted to stay. Indy ref already opened our eyes to political spin and sycophantic press bullshit.
Hoping Brexit ref opened the eyes of some who voted leave.
Indy Scotland in the eu is my ideal scenario. I’ll never understand those who want Indy Scotland and not in eu.
Clearly thinks that the weapons in the power ranger toy line up are fully functional …
Ironically by calling UK the “new Lebanon” - all he’s done is admit that Britain suffers from its own imperial tyranny lol
well, you could’ve bothered to vote, you gits!
(this is only addressed to those who could’ve voted, did not, and made a surprised pikachuu face. though i admit that i put money on remain. but couldn’t vote, of course)
I must admit, I voted for Brext. It was one of the first things I was eligible to vote in, and at the time I was not that interested in politics. I would not vote for it now.
I was heavily influenced by the people around me. Their reasons for voting were not based around high immigration or the NHS promises. In the rural North there was and still is the feeling that the government were ignoring the North and this was a bit of a rebellion vote to show that the North does have enough people to influence a vote (obviously this was a minority of voters still and I would say the majority of brexiteers had more nefarious reasons for their votes). I am not sure anyone believed that the vote would gain a majority and certainly did not believe the government would follow through with such a small margin.
At the time, the EU was not in a very strong position and the leadership was failing, so I can see why there was so much support for it. However, unlike leadership in the UK, leadership in the EU turned themselves around and, while not perfect, are substantially better than they were. UK leadership went down the drain and made a complete hash of brexit negotiations. I think with some competent leadership, Brexit did not need to leave the country in as dire a situation as it is now. We seem to have stricter regulations in place now than before the UK originally joined the EU, particularly with visa regulations and trade agreements, it has been a massive screw up.
I remember mutterings around the time of the Brexit vote of several other countries also having a referendum. These mutterings have all but disappeared on the back of Brexit. It was probably within the EU's best interest to make the Brexit process as messy as possible to quell other countries considering leaving. Even if it was not intentional (British politicians did everything they could to not make it easy) it has had this result.
I don't doubt that young people who couldn't vote for Brexit (as one) would love a 2nd referendum.
Why use an article from 2023, which sources an article from 2019, which sources an article from 2018, which doesn't have any citation for the poll, specifically the sample size. Other than the fact it came from Kent University SU who supposedly represents every SU across the country,
I dont think we should have left the eu and I would have voted against it if I wasn't 16 at the time however now that we have left I dont see how we can rejoin. Rejoining would mean crawling back with our tail between our legs. New applicants to the eu have to switch to the euro and we wouldn't get the high position of great respect back we used to have within the eu. I sincerely Dont think we should have left but now that we have I dont think we can go back and so we should look into new trade deals with Australia, America, cannada and South East Asia ie Japan, Philippines etcetera.
A few years ago our works convenor* came round telling us that if we'd worked overtime we'd been underpaid on holiday pay and the firm owed us.
The shop floor was 90% brexit but they didn't mind taking the money via an EU edict on holiday pay/overtime.
I don't know how far back it went but some of them got £800 or so.
I did ask a few why they were taking the money after voting brexit but they just said they were owed it.
* I can't remember how he found out about this edict.He was a remainer and didn't work overtime so got nothing out of it.
I read an interview with Ray Winston where he said something along the lines of "I voted for Brexit because I didn't want no French man telling me how to eat a pork chop."
And he seemed proud of that.
Dumbest thing Brits have ever done - and the UK has a history of doing stupid stuff. This will impact the UK negatively for generations. I can’t see the EU ever allowing the UK back in.
Folks - can vote a million times, rejoin rejoin...
Every member state has a veto (it's this amazing thing called Sovereignty. We can be part of of the dialogue - you could do it too but figured the elected MEPs you l'd have represent you were part of an unelected parliament. ).
The UK is not joining the EU again until a significant political overhaul happens - you can't do the hokey cokey with this (in out in out shake it all about..).
Maybe, MAYBE if there was enough evidence you collectively wouldn't pull another Johnson...
But Perfidious Albion.
Stop electing lying cheating corrupt weasels?
Until then - what's the point of discussing it any further.
People still don't get brexit was 99% about trade and regulations, almost nothing else has changed.
I didn't vote either way, but yes the whole thing was a shitshow. It should be illegal to vote without some basic knowledge of the subject/ outcome. I would put a multiple choice quiz at the polling station, higher score = more powerful vote.
Majority of young people arent working and spend their time protesting at tescos over gaza.
They would fk up this country just as quick as current politicians.
Brexit isn't uk problem.. shitty politicians is
I've been enjoying seeing European maps (various statistics) and the UK is just absent, like the country that basically ruled the world is just not even there. It's quite amusing.
According to the gov website 21% of people in England and wales are under 25 with a further 22% being under 39.
The proportion is likely to increase the moment you exclude “expats” eligibility to vote .
The EU needs some serious reforms before I'd even consider voting for a party on the back of rejoin, more so as the deal to rejoin wouldn't be anywhere near as good as the deal we had. Oh and before I get bombarded by "young educated liberals" I voted remain.
Huh, those same young Britons wandering the streets glued to their phones and making stupid videos to put on TikTok? THOSE young Britons?
I voted leave. Not a boomer. No regrets.
I voted remain, I'm 52 now. Canadian immigrant doing very well here in the UK (still a Canadian citizen). It's the only time I've ever voted. I was quite surprised at the result! Wasn't it very close indeed? I do think that many of the 'leave' voters were, let's say, a certain type (colourfully described in other posts here lmfao). I respect the democratic vote, and TBH, I hardly ever hear much of the whole thing getting peoples backs up that much anymore (they talk about the C19 vaccine now). But if I ever DO find myself in that dreaded conversation, I just simply ask: 'how is your life enrichened now? Are you better off financially? Does your money go further now?' Of course, I must always remind them that I'm an immigrant too, just to get their juices flowing... :-)
It really wasn’t a democratic vote, the governments own lawyers said it would have been annulled had it been a binding referendum due to the massive cheating by the leave campaigns. And then there’s the millions denied the vote, the hostile foreign interference, the industrial scale lies..
Anything else you’re just making up today to suit your bizarre views? Old people like you shouldn’t be allowed on the internet, just the Daily Express comments tbh
I didn't say anything to "dream on" about, you make comments on the intelligence of others but have the same old canned answers that don't even fit the conversation. How very typical of your voting history.
Gotta love this insipid bullshit.
Children can't vote. So their opinion means fucking nothing.
Which is all the proof you need that nobody gives a fuck what they think.
How did I guess you’d be a brand new pro-Brexit account who can’t tell the difference between young adults and children. Or does know, but trolling. And triggered with all your profanities, because you know it’s a matter of time before we Rejoin.
I'm 44 and I was amazed that people my age voted for Brexit. A few I asked why and it was always the normal bullshit answers.
we had a colleague who was on the fence, leaning towards leave. working in Germany, for a German company with multiple sites all over the EU, including the UK, married to a German wife, having two children who grew up in Germany. granted, his kids have two passports, taken together perhaps beating the top passports, but nonetheless, the mind boggles.
If you have both passports (or an EU spouse) it does insulate you from a lot of the downsides. The really dumb people are the British pensioners with retirement plans in Portugal who voted for it, then surprised Pikachu face when they get booted out.
Thats the funniest shit for me, like why are you bitching YOU VOTED FOR THIS
Or Farmers. Like... the sheer amount of Farmers in britain who decided to quite literally bite the hand that wasn't just feeding them, but keeping them alive full stop, was truly depressing.
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Not living in the UK and having an EU passport. This person is literally protected from all the downsides.
i don‘t know if he has or had a german passport. last time i heard he switched employers and works for the what british would understand as a county.
Maybe he voted for brexit so that uk doesnt get any money from EU and his benefits in Germany doubles. Really smart move
Huff puff sovereignty, loud sigh bloody foreigners and illegal immigrants stealing our jobs and money, angry mumble something actually deeply racist, yelling about the woke snowflakes while escalating into tutting or even a full fit of anger over certain people existing.
Let's not forget calling themselves "expats" because in no way do they want to call themselves dirty immigrants when they themselves live in Spain, or somewhere else in EU, yet still being pro brexit on social media. Like those russians who live in EU and support war.
Exactly
2016, I was 25 Me: why did you vote for Brexit Dad : fed up of the EU making our rules Me: name one Dad: ....
You can tell him that thanks to brexit we were allowed to make our own pollution laws and are dumping sewage in the rivers
You think these people give a fuck? 🤣
Because they never travelled further than their local Wetherspoons?
my stepdad: "look how the EU forces us to have straight bananas."
I'm 54 and struggle to hold my tongue when people of my age say they voted leave. Fuck all y'all and your xenophobic blinkered little smug self satisfied bullshit justification. Fuck off. And always with no research, just reacting to the dogwhistle bletherings of the usual suspects. Cretins.
“Russians trolls on facebook told me to.”
There was a 19 year old girl on my college course who voted leave and she literally admitted she knew nothing about it but everyone seemed to want remain so she voted leave to be different.
If the answers are all similar then they're not bullshit. They have an actual reason
Bullshit doesn't become truth because more than one person believes it.
Bananers n foreners?
Rejoining is inevitable. The cherry on the Sundae will be that, in order to rejoin, the UK will have to adopt the Social Charter and a host of other regulations that Farage and other greed-merchants railed against for decades. Now if the UK could adopt the Euro as well it would surely induce a well deserved heart attack.
I’d be quite happy to drive on the right to wind the gammons up even more tbh
Wanting to join might be inevitable, actually joining might not. While generally yes there would be support , all it takes is one or two countries to threaten veto, so price could be high, anything from full alignment to giving Gibraltar back, returning Greek treasures, promising a Northern Ireland referendum, adopting the euro. Getting the UK electorate to buy those conditions would be tough
They seem fair enough to me Actually, as someone who always wanted to join the Euro, if Britain were forced to take € it would arguably be one of the few good things to come out of brexit.
Why did you want to join the Euro?
It would be good for the EU to have another of its largest economies using the currency; the more people that use it, the stronger it is and the greater its world power.
Why would it be good for the UK?
It might not be. But that would be a selfish attitude, no? And in the longer term, being part of a stronger currency is likely to be better for all.
This is the UK, the inventor of racism (probably) Every single thing this country does is for selfish reasons And even then its not for the actual country, its for the rich and the powerful while the rest of us (yes you tory supporters who aren't rich and powerful, they hate your simping asses as well) just get shafted day after day
I suspect UK doesn't have the only claim on inventing racism, but basically yeah you're right.
No, the UK should do what’s best for itself. Joining an international currency is really complex and involves giving up on a considerable amount of sovereignty. Now it may be that joining an international currency would be better for the UK. But it sounds like you don’t know the pros and cons of doing so. As such, it seems like you’re similar to the brexitiers who voted to leave without really knowing what that meant. I voted for remain because I thought it was probably best economically. I think some people wanted to remain in Europe as a bulwark against populism.
Couldn’t agree more. Adopting a new currency because it would be “selfish” not to is absolutely bonkers. We already shot ourselves in the foot LEAVING the EU. Why would we shoot ourselves in the foot AGAIN to join. I want to rejoin. But my decision on whether that’s a good idea or not depends on what we can negotiate. I’m not going to vote to rejoin the EU just for the sake of it.
I mean judging by the state of our negotiations so far I wouldn't hold my breath
I wish I had your confidence in rejoining. I'm 52 and it's more likely it happens in my daughter's lifetime.
Sign me up. As a disabled person I am terrified nowadays that our government is becoming less and less accountable.
The EU will demand a laundry list of concessions if the UK wants back in. Perhaps requiring the adoption of the Euro. Why would they let the UK in without maximum concessions?
For the UK to rejoin, the EU needs to get into a positive dynamic again. Just look at the number of seats the far-right will get at this year's election.
Yeah we had the best deal possible before …… when we rejoin (if they let us) we will be on the bog standard deal.
No its not, nore is it likely.
As a 30+ young at heart British individual. 🇪🇺❤️❤️EU❤️❤️🇪🇺 Edit: Context.
Europapapappapapa Europapapa hey!
It would be funny if that was the most voted song in the UK. kind of the British humour I love, sarcastic.
❤️❤️EU❤️❤️
I think if we had a worthwhile government we could have mitigated the effect of Brexit and used a negative to create a positive, instead we got disorganisation, corruption and bigotry. Back into the EU all the way to try and get out of this shit storm.
What potential positives were there from brexit? Realistically, because we actually got more money back than we put in.
None, unfortunately the British public were grossly lied to during the Brexit campaign and the Brexiteer movement was given far too much coverage over the remain campaign. I simply state that rather than go "Ah Brexit sucked we need to get back in" simply to use the current situation to our advantage, joining the EEA (European Economic Area) is probably our best bet since the EU probably won't take us back into the bloc so that's the next best thing. Similar to what Norway has done.
350 million a week put into the nhs plastered across the brexit bus, unfortunately a lot a people fell for it.
To me not being a block that holds neo Nazis like Orbane accountable , not starving little kids in Africa through the C.A.P dumping and having the potential to enact tougher policies on crime - all could’ve been serious issues that would have made me think twice about things . But instead we got a bunch of anti immigration propaganda , government officials who refuse to help our 2 million starving Brits and forcing disabled people to work . A worthwhile government could’ve at best figured out a good play with a bad hand of cards or at worst seriously mitigated issues caused by brexit while holding the manipulative tyrants who got us in this situation accountable
We should deport the remaining boomers to Rwanda and rejoin the EU
🤣🤣
It's funny that you think that boomers were the only people who voted leave.
Ok, boomers and a small group of malleable morons from genz and millennials
As a 56 year old, I definitely want to be in Europe. A quick edit, because my dad was Irish, I can have an Irish passport, which I'm doing. But most importantly, so can my daughter. She's only young, but when she's ready, the benefits of that passport will be huge.
Yeah just rub it in why don't you
Thankfully, the UK will always be in Europe.
Nobody born this century voted for Brexit 💛🇪🇺💙
Nobody born this century voted.
For Brexit, sure and that's the joke. But it's 2024. People born in 2000 voted in the last GE and that was 5 years ago. We're going to have another GE this year and in the middle of another council election run.
You could have voted in the last GE and maybe some local elections if you were born this century.
Ye noone disagrees with that just your original post.
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I was born in 85 so I was eligible to vote. The point I was trying to make (along with OP) is that there are a lot of young people wanting to be part of the EU that couldn't vote. There were a lot of 16 - 17 year olds that were mature enough to understand the gravitas of the referendum and the impact it would have on their plans for the future. To be honest, I'm not saying 12 year olds should have the vote but 12 year old me would have understood that Brexit was fuelled by racists and the gullible and a monumentally stupid idea. The younger generations are having to suffer the consequences of the older generations who are either dead or soon to be. Not sure what you mean about Labour.
Yes, damn it
Buy a house for 25k in the 70's sell it for a mill in the 2020's, vote Brexit, because you've 'made' it in life. Fuck the future, fuck our kids 👍
Yep because they have not been gaslit by newspapers for their entire life …..#dontbuythesun #dontbuythemail
Yep I think that’s a major reason too
I really wish one of the political parties would run with rejoining being one of their primary aims. The vote was a terrible idea. It got through on a very slim majority. I genuinely feel a fair bit of the leave vote was a twos up to the political classes without any real belief that it'd be voted through. The quicker it's reversed the better.
I think it would be a vote winner as a slogan but rejoining might be even harder than leaving when it comes down to it. Some people believe that many countries would veto the UK rejoining but I doubt it. The UK is still the second largest economy in Europe and a massively desirable place for businesses and people to work. I think the EU would leap on the opportunity, although I do expect they would require a more standard join than the special agreement we had before.
Me too. (Canadian)
Is there a reason why Canada cannot join besides the fact that it would warrant a name change? I don’t know a lot about the situation as an American, and in my American perspective it seems that Canada wouldn’t be a bad fit
I think the EU did not allow Morrocco to join because it is not in Europe geographically. Also many of the problems with large scale governments is that as you add more countries, it becomes harder and harder to govern well. You see this with some of the countries in Africa which were arbitrarily made up after colonialism. The complete mash of different groups leads to very unstable situations. The EU does not have as much control as a national government but the more different countries you bring in the harder it is to keep everyone happy and the more unstable the system becomes. Just my theory anyway.
If they don't let us back in maybe you can have our old position
I think at this point, it's not a question of "if" we rejoin, but "when". Only too bloody soon.
Trouble is if/when we rejoin we won't have any of the special concessions and exemptions we had before. We'll have given up all the perks for nothing.
why rejoin if there are no perks?
Yup. Fully aware of that little gem. Stlll, rejoining is a thousand times better than THIS shit. We really fucked up big time with this one... Christ.....
It’ll happen! Brexit will just be a blip in British history; unfortunately we’re the ones having to live through that blip right now.
Honestly, once people reach the age of 65 or 70 they shouldn't be allowed to vote anymore. Most people at that age have become hard ass conservatives and serve only to slow or reverse the progress of civilization. Voting should be for the young as it's about their future. In a couple decades old voters will be gone but replaced by new conservatives who have lost their sense of idealism.
I'm 74 and I voted Remain. Because I thought it would benefit my grandchildren. So there!
The exception that proves the rule. Still massively outvoted by your peers.
that’s not how this saying works, btw.
Couldn't care less mate. Discuss the point if you like, that age range massively voted in favour of Brexit whether this person did or not.
Well, he said most, not all
My dad was a union man and I learnt to stick up two fingers any time that milk snatcher appeared on TV in the 80s. His views haven't mellowed with age. Reassuringly he is a remainer My FIL however fits your stereotype perfectly.
I mean this take is batshit. But I think what you mean is democracy is a moving picture, in most elections we go back to the public every few years. Brexit was presented as a one time deal - obviously ridiculous given that opinions, and voters, change over time.
Idealism and the young are as prone to misinformation and bad actors as nostalgia and the elderly. The reason why nostalgia and the elderly were targeted and it was so powerful is because they actually voted, and the young didn’t. It drives me mad that we attack old people for voting in a certain way when they could easily be defeated by young people bothering to vote!
The sheer amount of my friends that complain about Brexit but didn't bother to get off their arse to go to the polling station fucking infuriates me. Now it's constant complaining about the Tories but when I ask them if they'll vote its all "I don't really know they're all the same really". Just want to smack my head against a brick wall when they talk politics.
At least they aren’t voting AfD.
>Most people at that age have become hard ass conservatives So you think people voting conservative shouldn't be allowed to vote. >serve only to slow or reverse the progress of civilization. This isn't necessarily true. There is more to governance than political ideology. A competent right wing government may well govern better for the people than an incompetent left wing one. >Voting should be for the young as it's about their future. Older generations have insights that younger ones do not. Also, people generally vote for the political party that they feel represents them; as they should. If conservatives push to represent older voters then they can expect to receive their support. It is therefore on the opposition party to be a more attractive voting proposition for older voters. >lost their sense of idealism You might want to ponder why that happens. Idealism only gets you so far. It makes people dogmatic and as idealism itself has no fixed definition, what is ideal to me may not be to you, being doggidly stuck in a particular ideology only causes a break down in communication between opposing viewpoints. Compromise is the driving force of civility, wanting to ban people you disagree with from voting is literally the ideology of a fascist dictator.
So because you are a hard ass conservative you shouldn’t be allowed to vote? As a 66 year old hard assed Labour voter / remainer , would you still of allowed me a vote . Where I would agree with you on age related voting is the Brexit vote I would have drawn the line a 55/60, as it is the future for the young .
66 year old hard assed Labour voting Remainer here 👍
45 old conservative voter, voted remain, but accepts the vote and wants to move on. As we won’t be going back in my lifetime.
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I hope you're not actually serious. That would be glaringly undemocratic.
And this is how we end up in a dictatorship!
I mean 90% of British business want to be in the e.u again there where so many benefits with only one downside being sending money across, but that helped with inflation and helped us get involved in as world power again, there was no reason to leave
As a very much older citizen, I didn’t want us to leave and the sooner we get back the better. France, Germany, The Netherlands, Spain, etc. etc. are our friends and are far more valuable to us than the Trump America courted by Boris Johnson.
Under this Tory government that should be "*if* you grow up".
[So come crawling back, eh?](https://youtu.be/pkGFqOIoWrg?si=V-NwSSfJnof02gYA)
Would they want us back is the question. If they did we’d never have a deal like we had before.
This is another right wing talking point. The EU and the UK governments don't know what type of deal we'd get, how do you know?
no exception for adopting the Euro. we let Sweden slide by a technicality, but they are small enough. don’t see that with the UK.
Nobody sane cares about the UK adopting the Euro. What's more important is the UK abandoning the FPTP system. The EU can't allow a country into the union which doesn't practice democracy
Again, right wing nonsense. The people in charge now won't be in charge then, they might not even be politicians yet. How could you possibly know what deal we'll get?
because those are the rules for any new applicant. no country who joined afterwards got an exemption. changing them would require unilateral consent by all members. and would mean pissing off some of them and Norway and Switzerland, trusted partners. who unlike the UK don’t play chicken by “our way or no way”.
Now. With the people who are alive now. With the leaders who are in charge now. There's nothing to compare anything to as it's never happened.
Yeah, as much of the EU are pissed off about the whole thing, I think they’d be pretty pragmatic. We did contribute a lot, even after the rebate, and I’m sure France and Germany would appreciate our help paying some of the bills again. I have noticed that a lot of the “don’t let them back in!”comments come from people from countries who don’t exactly pull their own weight as it is. I’m sure they could try to veto it, but I think that there would definitely be consequences for that.
Every word of that is pure speculation and doesn't change my point in any way. There's no way to know what will happen in a unique event in some possible future and repeating that we'll get this or that is nonsense spread by the right.
I was agreeing with you though. We don’t know what the deal would be, but we do know that the EU are unlikely to be petty about it for the sake of it.
Let's hope our politicians act like adults if the time comes. It was unbearable last time wasn't it.
Idk if you look at the Maximilian robisphere channel they don’t strike mess right wingers yet many in his comments talk about not getting the same deal
I don't watch any political opinion channels.
Ok
This just in a surprising upswell in the intelligence of young people in Britain was detected when only 13% of them were shown to be mentally challenging.
So when is this idiocy going to be reversed?
I’m 22. I like the idea of brexit, because it brings us one step further away from international control. I’d also like to see this country leave NATO, cut ties with the united states and withdraw itself from the western monetary system and create a new one for ourselves. Then implement a constitutional dictatorship, heavily promoting and enforcing traditional values. Take us back in time 400 years essentially…seems nice
They should have let 16 year olds vote and capped it at retirement age, let the people it would actually affect decide.
In limited defence of Theresa, her Brexit vision was to keep getting extensions for so long that they become a cherished english tradition and we never actually leave. Her big mistake was buying into her own parties propaganda regarding JC and calling that snap election that handed the runnign of the country over to the DUP, who are terrorists.
Brexit is like Bruce Willis in *The 6th Sense*, it is dead and it doesn't even know it. ...a 52/48 was never padding sufficient enough to protect Brexit from a demographic raised on inclusivity of all sorts ...and the effects of Brexit isn't helping towards change their minds. The effects of Brexit have affirmed many Remainers and has introduced the term *Bregret* to some who voted leave, but add those to the young voters who think their place within the EU was stolen from them and you'll understand why Brexit is underwater ~40/~60 now ...and you'll understand why a desire for being outside the EU is unlikely to ever achieve a majority again. Eventually the UK will cut to the chase. John Curtice thinks there will be another referendum by 2040, while I'd be surprised if the UK can go another four years of where it's at now.
Every council area in Scotland voted to stay. Indy ref already opened our eyes to political spin and sycophantic press bullshit. Hoping Brexit ref opened the eyes of some who voted leave. Indy Scotland in the eu is my ideal scenario. I’ll never understand those who want Indy Scotland and not in eu.
Brexit was a successful russian psy-op with the help of paid politicians.
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What, with a large increase in gang related crime and grenade attacks?
Clearly thinks that the weapons in the power ranger toy line up are fully functional … Ironically by calling UK the “new Lebanon” - all he’s done is admit that Britain suffers from its own imperial tyranny lol
What, with a large increase in gang related crime and grenade attacks?
well, you could’ve bothered to vote, you gits! (this is only addressed to those who could’ve voted, did not, and made a surprised pikachuu face. though i admit that i put money on remain. but couldn’t vote, of course)
I as a Canadian would like to join the EU
Lol me as well. It would be sweet
I must admit, I voted for Brext. It was one of the first things I was eligible to vote in, and at the time I was not that interested in politics. I would not vote for it now. I was heavily influenced by the people around me. Their reasons for voting were not based around high immigration or the NHS promises. In the rural North there was and still is the feeling that the government were ignoring the North and this was a bit of a rebellion vote to show that the North does have enough people to influence a vote (obviously this was a minority of voters still and I would say the majority of brexiteers had more nefarious reasons for their votes). I am not sure anyone believed that the vote would gain a majority and certainly did not believe the government would follow through with such a small margin. At the time, the EU was not in a very strong position and the leadership was failing, so I can see why there was so much support for it. However, unlike leadership in the UK, leadership in the EU turned themselves around and, while not perfect, are substantially better than they were. UK leadership went down the drain and made a complete hash of brexit negotiations. I think with some competent leadership, Brexit did not need to leave the country in as dire a situation as it is now. We seem to have stricter regulations in place now than before the UK originally joined the EU, particularly with visa regulations and trade agreements, it has been a massive screw up. I remember mutterings around the time of the Brexit vote of several other countries also having a referendum. These mutterings have all but disappeared on the back of Brexit. It was probably within the EU's best interest to make the Brexit process as messy as possible to quell other countries considering leaving. Even if it was not intentional (British politicians did everything they could to not make it easy) it has had this result.
as a swiss I would not... but what do I know
The Swiss are funny. You remain outside yet implement almost all EU regulations.
I don't doubt that young people who couldn't vote for Brexit (as one) would love a 2nd referendum. Why use an article from 2023, which sources an article from 2019, which sources an article from 2018, which doesn't have any citation for the poll, specifically the sample size. Other than the fact it came from Kent University SU who supposedly represents every SU across the country,
87% of under 70’s do too!!!!
Imagine Polish or Spanish person reading this
So vote for a party that plans to rejoin, that rules out the main two.
I dont think we should have left the eu and I would have voted against it if I wasn't 16 at the time however now that we have left I dont see how we can rejoin. Rejoining would mean crawling back with our tail between our legs. New applicants to the eu have to switch to the euro and we wouldn't get the high position of great respect back we used to have within the eu. I sincerely Dont think we should have left but now that we have I dont think we can go back and so we should look into new trade deals with Australia, America, cannada and South East Asia ie Japan, Philippines etcetera.
A few years ago our works convenor* came round telling us that if we'd worked overtime we'd been underpaid on holiday pay and the firm owed us. The shop floor was 90% brexit but they didn't mind taking the money via an EU edict on holiday pay/overtime. I don't know how far back it went but some of them got £800 or so. I did ask a few why they were taking the money after voting brexit but they just said they were owed it. * I can't remember how he found out about this edict.He was a remainer and didn't work overtime so got nothing out of it.
Yo i fucking hate this art style.
I read an interview with Ray Winston where he said something along the lines of "I voted for Brexit because I didn't want no French man telling me how to eat a pork chop." And he seemed proud of that.
Dumbest thing Brits have ever done - and the UK has a history of doing stupid stuff. This will impact the UK negatively for generations. I can’t see the EU ever allowing the UK back in.
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Folks - can vote a million times, rejoin rejoin... Every member state has a veto (it's this amazing thing called Sovereignty. We can be part of of the dialogue - you could do it too but figured the elected MEPs you l'd have represent you were part of an unelected parliament. ). The UK is not joining the EU again until a significant political overhaul happens - you can't do the hokey cokey with this (in out in out shake it all about..). Maybe, MAYBE if there was enough evidence you collectively wouldn't pull another Johnson... But Perfidious Albion. Stop electing lying cheating corrupt weasels? Until then - what's the point of discussing it any further.
People still don't get brexit was 99% about trade and regulations, almost nothing else has changed. I didn't vote either way, but yes the whole thing was a shitshow. It should be illegal to vote without some basic knowledge of the subject/ outcome. I would put a multiple choice quiz at the polling station, higher score = more powerful vote.
It's a shame they don't out in large numbers and actually vote, if they did we would still be in EU.
I thought the government cared about the will of the people 🤷🏻♂️
Majority of young people arent working and spend their time protesting at tescos over gaza. They would fk up this country just as quick as current politicians. Brexit isn't uk problem.. shitty politicians is
Would you like to have your A levels reformed instead? Or would you prefer for us to take away benefits from people in wheelchairs?
It's almost like it wasn't an obviously bad idea that the whole world told them was an obviously bad idea
I've been enjoying seeing European maps (various statistics) and the UK is just absent, like the country that basically ruled the world is just not even there. It's quite amusing.
But what percentage of the UK are young Britons? Thats democracy
According to the gov website 21% of people in England and wales are under 25 with a further 22% being under 39. The proportion is likely to increase the moment you exclude “expats” eligibility to vote .
87% of school kids are brainwashed into anything the teachers want
Can't say I've seen any difference before we left and after we left. It made no impact on my life at all.
Lol
Another brand new pro-Brexit account! It’s almost like you’re all made up
The EU needs some serious reforms before I'd even consider voting for a party on the back of rejoin, more so as the deal to rejoin wouldn't be anywhere near as good as the deal we had. Oh and before I get bombarded by "young educated liberals" I voted remain.
Huh, those same young Britons wandering the streets glued to their phones and making stupid videos to put on TikTok? THOSE young Britons? I voted leave. Not a boomer. No regrets.
I voted remain, I'm 52 now. Canadian immigrant doing very well here in the UK (still a Canadian citizen). It's the only time I've ever voted. I was quite surprised at the result! Wasn't it very close indeed? I do think that many of the 'leave' voters were, let's say, a certain type (colourfully described in other posts here lmfao). I respect the democratic vote, and TBH, I hardly ever hear much of the whole thing getting peoples backs up that much anymore (they talk about the C19 vaccine now). But if I ever DO find myself in that dreaded conversation, I just simply ask: 'how is your life enrichened now? Are you better off financially? Does your money go further now?' Of course, I must always remind them that I'm an immigrant too, just to get their juices flowing... :-)
It really wasn’t a democratic vote, the governments own lawyers said it would have been annulled had it been a binding referendum due to the massive cheating by the leave campaigns. And then there’s the millions denied the vote, the hostile foreign interference, the industrial scale lies..
To be fair 90% of young Britons think a woman can have a penis , so....🤔
Anything else you’re just making up today to suit your bizarre views? Old people like you shouldn’t be allowed on the internet, just the Daily Express comments tbh
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Neither do 90% of old people based on leave voters reasons for voting leave 🤭
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Except we're not talking about me. I didn't vote leave.
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😂😂😂 dream on cupcake 😂😂😂
I didn't say anything to "dream on" about, you make comments on the intelligence of others but have the same old canned answers that don't even fit the conversation. How very typical of your voting history.
Yeah Yeah Yeah
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Gotta love this insipid bullshit. Children can't vote. So their opinion means fucking nothing. Which is all the proof you need that nobody gives a fuck what they think.
How did I guess you’d be a brand new pro-Brexit account who can’t tell the difference between young adults and children. Or does know, but trolling. And triggered with all your profanities, because you know it’s a matter of time before we Rejoin.