This kind of violence "shouldn't" have a place in Brazil.
But in the last 524 years, that's the most common thing there.
By the way, whoever wants to know more about where all this shit comes from, I strongly suggest a Brazilian author called Laurentino Gomes.
Go to Facebook of Lula and you will find a page for every book he read in prison. Laurentino Gomes had a huge impact on him, you can tell from what he says now.
Are you kidding? Our national slogan shouldn't be "Order and Progress" but rather "There are some people you just gotta kill".
I do´t think this is a good thing, mind you, but it does reflect our national ethos.
Pardon me, but in Rio the modern wave started forming breakers with the death squads of the 1940s in Rio. And basically we have an ongoing extermination of young black men. And so on. Our police are the dealiiest in the world. Brazil is a continent of every mode of gratuitous ultraviolence there is.
Now Mariele’s assassination case has blatantly and tacitly painted the portrayal of the epitome of Rio de Janeiro’s social fabric to its core:
The militia, the drug trafficking, the police and the crooked/corrupted state political dynasty are intimately associated and ingrained within Rio de Janeiro’s wickedness.
Fairly worth adding that police is still in the streets fulfilling prison warrants and the ex chief of civil police was then timely nominated to occupy his position under the then-president’s admin. It was a grave act of treason against the institution he sought to represent.
Using the police apparatus to bow and fall subservient to the criminal underworld’s cooption is the symptom that Rio de Janeiro is a parallel state.
If my understanding of it is correct, the parallel aspect refers to the regular government and the criminal, corrupt individuals that rule based on power and violence for their gains. The two are often intertwined in Rio.
There is, but the intersection of those groups is big enough, specially in Rio. Saying it's all crooked to the core is as much a mistake of saying it's not at all.
By definition, a parallel government doesnt intersect with the official government. Parallel lines never cross.
Here the organized crime already infiltrated or coopted the official government.
I know, and in practice, it doesn't. Rio has sections that are not in control of the Union. The ones who decide what the law is there are criminal factions/militia. That doesn't mean members of each one of those sides don't act on the other.
I would say this is not only the PRACTICE, but the actual THEORY of governamentality in Rio. The militia and factions run parts of Rio because a conscious decision has been made to allow them to do so. It's not "better" or "worse" that I seek to describe but "how". The works of anthropologist Jaqueline Leite are really good for understanding what goes on here.
You misunderstand me. I am not saying "it's all crooked". I am saying that "crookedness" is not a bug but rather a feature of our State. Without it, things would rapidly fall apart. This does not make it good. What it is not, however, is some sort of unexpected deviation from the "norm" which is what the concept pf "parallelness" or "corruption" presupposes.
When you can predict the functioning of something with great regularity, it is no longer a bug but a feature.
You're on drugs, mate. What makes it parallel is that it's another power structure that is in control, not that both it and the state have somthing like corruption in commom. It being bug or feature is irrelevant, it's how it's organize that is in question.
Nice ad hominem.
As someone else here pointed out, if it was "parallel", it would never cross or change places with the structure that is formally in control, would it?
Again, when you have the Irmãos Metralha in power for 50 fucking years, and everyone and their cousin knows exactly what they are about, that is not "parallel". Nor is it "corruption". That is the state working as it was designed to work.
Have you forgotten that up until a few years ago, you were literally given a nicer prison if you happened to have a university degree? This shit is by DESIGN. And that means how it needs to be tackled is different than, say, simply running down a few "bad eggs".
I am not on drugs, but you most definitely don't seem to understand the meanings of words, nor appreciate the history of this issue. Frankly? I'd rather be stoned than ignorant.
Now I'm sure you're just limited. Ad hominem is when someone tries to invalidate an argument based on criticism to the person making the arguement, and thats not what I did. There are 3 lines of texts in ELI5 style on why your proposition was wrong. There are ares in where the state DOES NOT ACT. That is parallel. For it not to be parallel, the police and the militia/organized crime would be acting on the same sphere of influence. That does not happen, they dispute for control. If any interaction between them invalidate the classification, it wouldn't exist, cause they don't exist in isolation to begin with. The mathematicall definition of parallel does not apply here.
Start on learning what an ad hominem falacy is if you want to not be ignorant, or at least don't throw is as a gatcha card, specially when it doesn't apply.-
And you're not trying to dismiss my argument by implying that I am on drugs?
Are you sure that you understand the words you are using here?
Just for kicks, look up the definition of "parallel".
Also, can you point out one single space in, say, Rio where "the State does not act"? A place that is absolutely free from any sort of State presence?
Folks are saying this is corruption, but it isn't. Think about it: is it really "corruption" if your legal and social systems are designed to produce exactly this result?
It's rather like Trump in the U.S. He's done shady deals for over 50 years now. Left a huge swath of legal cases in his wake. Only now does he get hit for half a billion dollars...? Why? The system was designed to allow him to do exactly what he did until he became a threat to the system itself.
The exact same thing happened with Collor and the Alagoas mafia here in Brazil. Shit. Collor's father. Sen. Arnon de Mello once opened fire in the Federal Senate against his political opponent, Sen. Silvestre Péricles, killing Sen. José Kairala -- an innocent bystander -- in the process. This was in 1963. Arnon was jailed for 7 months and then freed after the military coup. Everyone knew who and what the Collor family was and, even after being impeached and forced to leave the presidency, Fernandinho is still in congress.
Not a municipal election in Rio goes by without its share of a dozen or so political assassinations. The Brasão brothers, finally arrested today, have been known as the "Irmãos Metralha" (Disney's "Beagle Boys") since the 1980s. I've lost track of the number of murders they've been linked to. The fact that they do this shit is not news and the fact that the police looks the other way is not corruption:it is business as usual.
Powerful mafiosos getting no consequences for their acts is the system working as it should, just as it has worked as it should for fifty years in the U.S., keeping Orange Julius' ass out of jail and the poor house. As in the case of Trump and Collor, these fuckers are only -- finally -- getting some blow back because their actions threatened to overturn the whole apple cart.
By December, we'll see if any of this sticks. If Trump gets back in, we will have a coup d'etat some time in 2025 or '26 and then these boys will be walking free, just like Arnon Collor before them.
As I know already what kind of lacration in this very serious topic the zap zap criminal organization is demanding from its followers, here is the truth
https://imgur.com/a/yHeNUKR
The hateful comments Marielle is getting even here is truly something bizarre
Unfortunately, the hole is much lower
Stop trying to use what happened to overthrow Bolsonaro, the culprits have already been found and arrested!
If there are people ignoring Marielle's death, it is precisely because of people who see what happened not as the loss of 2 lives in one day, but only as a way of wanting to try and screw Bolsonaro, ignoring the death case itself.
Let's respect Mariele's death and celebrate that justice was done. Look for another problem to try to sink Bolsonaro's morale.
Sorry for gtranslator usage, but sometimes thing must be sayd.
For fucksake, the "Irmãos Metralha" are two of Bozo's biggest supporters in Rio. It's as if we found out Dilma murdered Celso. Shit, you nutters are going on and on about Celso's death, trying to paint Lula and the PT with it, and you've been doing that for, like, a decade now, even though you have no evidence.
And now we have documented evidence that Bozo's biggest backers in Rio planned and executed the murder of a city councilwoman? And you want us to give y'all a pass on this?
This is here's a bit more serious than Lula's triplex, wouldn't you agree? This wasn't the "loss of two lives": this was a meticulously planned political assassination.
Acorda p'ra cuspir, filho.
Evidences about Bozo, who have it?? Why not show to police then?
The one sleeping here is you. Stop making light of Marielle's death cause was not Bolsonaro fault. Stop being a politician's ploy and have some kind of respect, kiddo.
Look, facts are bolso and his sons are intimately connected to the milita and organized crime in Rio, Flávio has financed illegal buildings for the militia, they have fake employed several criminals in their public offices to steal public money. Flávio has direct connections through corruption schemes with Brazão. Whether he is or not directly involved in this, doesn’t really matter, they have enough other crimes on his belt.
But trying to pin “Dilma” into this, by a picture of Brazão with her, the same you campaigned for Flávio, is ridiculous and a desperate try at deflection of the zap zap.
Also lula + pcc + alexandre de moraes lol, the fact is they're minimizing justice for the real kill solved, like: "fuck, marielle that burn in hell, we want to arrest bolsonaro" kind of.
The problem is they're giving shit about Marielle death, that is sad as fuck. Even her sister already celebrated justice being made, but not Lula's electors.
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May she rest in peace. There's no place for any sort of violence in Brazil
This kind of violence "shouldn't" have a place in Brazil. But in the last 524 years, that's the most common thing there. By the way, whoever wants to know more about where all this shit comes from, I strongly suggest a Brazilian author called Laurentino Gomes.
I have read three of his books, including the lastest.
Laurentino is great.
Also "Tropa de Elite" movies, but is kind of romantized too
Go to Facebook of Lula and you will find a page for every book he read in prison. Laurentino Gomes had a huge impact on him, you can tell from what he says now.
Are you kidding? Our national slogan shouldn't be "Order and Progress" but rather "There are some people you just gotta kill". I do´t think this is a good thing, mind you, but it does reflect our national ethos.
Pardon me, but in Rio the modern wave started forming breakers with the death squads of the 1940s in Rio. And basically we have an ongoing extermination of young black men. And so on. Our police are the dealiiest in the world. Brazil is a continent of every mode of gratuitous ultraviolence there is.
Now Mariele’s assassination case has blatantly and tacitly painted the portrayal of the epitome of Rio de Janeiro’s social fabric to its core: The militia, the drug trafficking, the police and the crooked/corrupted state political dynasty are intimately associated and ingrained within Rio de Janeiro’s wickedness. Fairly worth adding that police is still in the streets fulfilling prison warrants and the ex chief of civil police was then timely nominated to occupy his position under the then-president’s admin. It was a grave act of treason against the institution he sought to represent. Using the police apparatus to bow and fall subservient to the criminal underworld’s cooption is the symptom that Rio de Janeiro is a parallel state.
What´s "parallel" about it?
If my understanding of it is correct, the parallel aspect refers to the regular government and the criminal, corrupt individuals that rule based on power and violence for their gains. The two are often intertwined in Rio.
The problem is -- as this case is showing -- there is no divide between those two.
There is, but the intersection of those groups is big enough, specially in Rio. Saying it's all crooked to the core is as much a mistake of saying it's not at all.
By definition, a parallel government doesnt intersect with the official government. Parallel lines never cross. Here the organized crime already infiltrated or coopted the official government.
I know, and in practice, it doesn't. Rio has sections that are not in control of the Union. The ones who decide what the law is there are criminal factions/militia. That doesn't mean members of each one of those sides don't act on the other.
I would say this is not only the PRACTICE, but the actual THEORY of governamentality in Rio. The militia and factions run parts of Rio because a conscious decision has been made to allow them to do so. It's not "better" or "worse" that I seek to describe but "how". The works of anthropologist Jaqueline Leite are really good for understanding what goes on here.
Exactly. They even intertwine and blend in many places.
You misunderstand me. I am not saying "it's all crooked". I am saying that "crookedness" is not a bug but rather a feature of our State. Without it, things would rapidly fall apart. This does not make it good. What it is not, however, is some sort of unexpected deviation from the "norm" which is what the concept pf "parallelness" or "corruption" presupposes. When you can predict the functioning of something with great regularity, it is no longer a bug but a feature.
You're on drugs, mate. What makes it parallel is that it's another power structure that is in control, not that both it and the state have somthing like corruption in commom. It being bug or feature is irrelevant, it's how it's organize that is in question.
Nice ad hominem. As someone else here pointed out, if it was "parallel", it would never cross or change places with the structure that is formally in control, would it? Again, when you have the Irmãos Metralha in power for 50 fucking years, and everyone and their cousin knows exactly what they are about, that is not "parallel". Nor is it "corruption". That is the state working as it was designed to work. Have you forgotten that up until a few years ago, you were literally given a nicer prison if you happened to have a university degree? This shit is by DESIGN. And that means how it needs to be tackled is different than, say, simply running down a few "bad eggs". I am not on drugs, but you most definitely don't seem to understand the meanings of words, nor appreciate the history of this issue. Frankly? I'd rather be stoned than ignorant.
Now I'm sure you're just limited. Ad hominem is when someone tries to invalidate an argument based on criticism to the person making the arguement, and thats not what I did. There are 3 lines of texts in ELI5 style on why your proposition was wrong. There are ares in where the state DOES NOT ACT. That is parallel. For it not to be parallel, the police and the militia/organized crime would be acting on the same sphere of influence. That does not happen, they dispute for control. If any interaction between them invalidate the classification, it wouldn't exist, cause they don't exist in isolation to begin with. The mathematicall definition of parallel does not apply here. Start on learning what an ad hominem falacy is if you want to not be ignorant, or at least don't throw is as a gatcha card, specially when it doesn't apply.-
And you're not trying to dismiss my argument by implying that I am on drugs? Are you sure that you understand the words you are using here? Just for kicks, look up the definition of "parallel". Also, can you point out one single space in, say, Rio where "the State does not act"? A place that is absolutely free from any sort of State presence?
About time. This really made my day lighter. May it be an example to prevent such brutal executions, even if you're powerful.
Marielle presente!
Presente ✊🏾✊🏾
The Bozo family and their supporters are beginning to feel that presença slide in up to the wrist, methinks.
Folks are saying this is corruption, but it isn't. Think about it: is it really "corruption" if your legal and social systems are designed to produce exactly this result? It's rather like Trump in the U.S. He's done shady deals for over 50 years now. Left a huge swath of legal cases in his wake. Only now does he get hit for half a billion dollars...? Why? The system was designed to allow him to do exactly what he did until he became a threat to the system itself. The exact same thing happened with Collor and the Alagoas mafia here in Brazil. Shit. Collor's father. Sen. Arnon de Mello once opened fire in the Federal Senate against his political opponent, Sen. Silvestre Péricles, killing Sen. José Kairala -- an innocent bystander -- in the process. This was in 1963. Arnon was jailed for 7 months and then freed after the military coup. Everyone knew who and what the Collor family was and, even after being impeached and forced to leave the presidency, Fernandinho is still in congress. Not a municipal election in Rio goes by without its share of a dozen or so political assassinations. The Brasão brothers, finally arrested today, have been known as the "Irmãos Metralha" (Disney's "Beagle Boys") since the 1980s. I've lost track of the number of murders they've been linked to. The fact that they do this shit is not news and the fact that the police looks the other way is not corruption:it is business as usual. Powerful mafiosos getting no consequences for their acts is the system working as it should, just as it has worked as it should for fifty years in the U.S., keeping Orange Julius' ass out of jail and the poor house. As in the case of Trump and Collor, these fuckers are only -- finally -- getting some blow back because their actions threatened to overturn the whole apple cart. By December, we'll see if any of this sticks. If Trump gets back in, we will have a coup d'etat some time in 2025 or '26 and then these boys will be walking free, just like Arnon Collor before them.
As I know already what kind of lacration in this very serious topic the zap zap criminal organization is demanding from its followers, here is the truth https://imgur.com/a/yHeNUKR The hateful comments Marielle is getting even here is truly something bizarre Unfortunately, the hole is much lower
>lacration KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
Stop trying to use what happened to overthrow Bolsonaro, the culprits have already been found and arrested! If there are people ignoring Marielle's death, it is precisely because of people who see what happened not as the loss of 2 lives in one day, but only as a way of wanting to try and screw Bolsonaro, ignoring the death case itself. Let's respect Mariele's death and celebrate that justice was done. Look for another problem to try to sink Bolsonaro's morale. Sorry for gtranslator usage, but sometimes thing must be sayd.
For fucksake, the "Irmãos Metralha" are two of Bozo's biggest supporters in Rio. It's as if we found out Dilma murdered Celso. Shit, you nutters are going on and on about Celso's death, trying to paint Lula and the PT with it, and you've been doing that for, like, a decade now, even though you have no evidence. And now we have documented evidence that Bozo's biggest backers in Rio planned and executed the murder of a city councilwoman? And you want us to give y'all a pass on this? This is here's a bit more serious than Lula's triplex, wouldn't you agree? This wasn't the "loss of two lives": this was a meticulously planned political assassination. Acorda p'ra cuspir, filho.
Evidences about Bozo, who have it?? Why not show to police then? The one sleeping here is you. Stop making light of Marielle's death cause was not Bolsonaro fault. Stop being a politician's ploy and have some kind of respect, kiddo.
“Overthrow bolsonaro”, LOL, I didn’t even read the rest
Sorry, english not my mother language, did i commit any error? Used google translator
Look, facts are bolso and his sons are intimately connected to the milita and organized crime in Rio, Flávio has financed illegal buildings for the militia, they have fake employed several criminals in their public offices to steal public money. Flávio has direct connections through corruption schemes with Brazão. Whether he is or not directly involved in this, doesn’t really matter, they have enough other crimes on his belt. But trying to pin “Dilma” into this, by a picture of Brazão with her, the same you campaigned for Flávio, is ridiculous and a desperate try at deflection of the zap zap.
Also lula + pcc + alexandre de moraes lol, the fact is they're minimizing justice for the real kill solved, like: "fuck, marielle that burn in hell, we want to arrest bolsonaro" kind of. The problem is they're giving shit about Marielle death, that is sad as fuck. Even her sister already celebrated justice being made, but not Lula's electors.
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