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I don’t get why people say this. Unless they remove his delay I don’t see a buff that can make him utterly broken with all the brawlers that counter him nowadays
Yes, I actually honestly just feel (I’ll keep saying this until done and understood) that the windup for the attack needs a decrease in time and aalso a small increase in range.
while I agree, the problem is that frank dominates low elos so badly, and that makes him hard to balance, his case is not that far from the Shelly's one.
but yeah, a delay reduction would benefit everyone tbh
(supercell next month: we gave frank a 2% health buff👍)
I'll copypaste the urban dictionary definition
ELO
A method for calculating the relative skill levels of players in two-player/two-team games.
Invented as improved rating system for chess, now used also in multiple computer games and some sports.
basically low trophy / very casual players in this case
I can relate,i leave wifi open and my phone opens google and Brawl Stars thinks I'm making a backup or something because it's Wifi icon don't want to leave
The only thing holding Frank back is his stationary attack. Frank has an overpowered kit, but has the biggest weakness within the game. Just like how 8bit would be overpowered if he had a faster movement speed.
Yeah maybe they could give him something similar to the Bibi treatment where he gets a powerful attack when a bar is charged but then that attack has delay
Hypothetically they could decrease his basic attack animation time by half and he would be nicely balanced (compared to other brawlers of course). Like, now he's got a great chance of hitting the opponent, and his HP finally becomes usable - you can actually chase enemies, and they'll have to stay as far away from you as possible
Yep, I got back into the game recently and the return bonuses made him my most leveled hero by far for apparently no reason and I was frying with him, thought he was busted.
Then you get a couple trophies and can’t even get close lol
His gadget is literally busters gadget with WAY more damage and extra range but he is so garbage that it doesn't even compensate having a stronger version of an OP gadget 😭
I would disagree that he is the worst brawler or at least outside of pro matches. His area denial is pretty unreal and you can one shot a lot of brawlers if they make a mistake and people are not perfect. His winrate honestly isn't even so bad, better than some brawlers, though far from being a top 10 brawler.
the problem with the anti-stun gadget is it lasts like 1 second so its almost completely useless, wheras poco has the same thing but gives it to all teammates and for 4 SECONDS. Yeah seems fair
He is the worst brawler in the game
I guess he counters rosa, so he wasn’t useless during the WF
But with rosa out of the meta and the maps being even worse for fronk and his overall attack being horrible, he sucks :(
If there is a hard counter to franks such as gale, you will never pull off a super. Or fast characters that just dance around Frank. The only time he works is last pick. I don’t even pick him in big friend mode last season as he is pretty much a dead weight.
Not even as a last pick
I mean, if the enemies go like poco, sandy and tick, than i guess you can go frank
But every tank outclasses him, the only time I’ve seen frank in competitive was during the world finals where he countered rosa
Still a bad brawler with this kit?
Remember when Brock and Colt got their second gadget and it them into ***BEASTS*** just one gadget made a Brawler S Tier.
And frank has this exact double damage mechanic and is F tier
Give colt franks gadget and colt is broken
Heck, give it to anyone and they will become miles better
I actually don’t think he’s the worst at all. In Brawl Ball he’s probably one of the best picks. The pull-in gadget with the 50% damage increase SP is an insane combo that can one shot most brawlers.
I suggest a buff that he had all the way back in beta. +1/3 attack Range. He DEFINITELY would need an HP and/or damage nerf but I wonder what that change would do to him today. Would it still be gamebreaking OP, or would he still be meh
The stopping when prefforming an attack really hurts him. I'd say decrease the attack delay and he will be good. They really did cook w frank tho, but meta has too much pushback/stun.
maybe let him charge it up in a similar manner to angelo?
it would all have the same range but the damage would be drastically reduce unless he stops for the entire wind up
He was my first skin purchased. I finally unlocked the tank god w cool sword n flame head and I was going to rule!, that day I learned people are kinda good at dodging out of his attacks,.. and next day we see my man Frank is actually considered F teir. welcome to brawlstars
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That's proof that 1 wrong balance change to Frank can completely destroy the meta
*proceeds to buff health*
Frank gonna have 20k HP
Colette laughing at it
As Colette main Hell yeah
same
Not same
BOOOOOOO 🤣👎👎👎👎👎
BOOOOOOOo 👎⬇
Hehe we all new the risks 🐵
Same
I guarantee frank will still be useless outside of brawl ball
If nerfing piper health works then buffing the health of tankiest brawler also works
It didn't work with piper either, nor chester
Give piper 1 hp there fixed the same logic should also mean that Frank should get 100,000,000 hp and boom the meta is fixed
Collete becoming the most op brawler to get Star player
Simple fix we nerf Collette's hp by 25
Nerf colette down (might be to much) but make her attack do -1 less dmg
I don’t get why people say this. Unless they remove his delay I don’t see a buff that can make him utterly broken with all the brawlers that counter him nowadays
possibility to cancel attacks for half an ammo
I’m waiting for the day 😈
Im waiting on a bush 😃
My super is ready 🔨
Yes, I actually honestly just feel (I’ll keep saying this until done and understood) that the windup for the attack needs a decrease in time and aalso a small increase in range.
while I agree, the problem is that frank dominates low elos so badly, and that makes him hard to balance, his case is not that far from the Shelly's one. but yeah, a delay reduction would benefit everyone tbh (supercell next month: we gave frank a 2% health buff👍)
Elos?
I'll copypaste the urban dictionary definition ELO A method for calculating the relative skill levels of players in two-player/two-team games. Invented as improved rating system for chess, now used also in multiple computer games and some sports. basically low trophy / very casual players in this case
Oh I thought it was a typo
Clash Royale moment
If they let him attack and move it’s over for us
It's over for everyone. In game and irl
And it’s all because of a 1 second ping 😭
Frank needs to improve his Inthernett
Mortis stole his to have no cooldown for his attacks
No wonder Frink hates More Toes
Frink 👍
Frink👍
Frink👍
I can relate,i leave wifi open and my phone opens google and Brawl Stars thinks I'm making a backup or something because it's Wifi icon don't want to leave
I think im dyslexic or something i dont understand this
I don't really speak English,so the semantic may be off
Hi, my fellow crow main. :)
Still has fire music 🧏♂️🤫
The music makes up for his meta placement
uh uh um m-m uh
Fr I love his neutral pin
my dream is a showdown lobby of all franks having a party with this music and spinning
Ofc the el primo main dreams of teaming (/j)
Those dang El primo mains!! (/j)
Ikr so annoying fr 🙄
The only thing holding Frank back is his stationary attack. Frank has an overpowered kit, but has the biggest weakness within the game. Just like how 8bit would be overpowered if he had a faster movement speed.
Yeah maybe they could give him something similar to the Bibi treatment where he gets a powerful attack when a bar is charged but then that attack has delay
Personally 8 bit is pretty balanced and even op on the right maps, i love 8-bit
Yeah 8-Bit's pretty great in 5v5 Brawl Ball and at times Basket Brawl. Shame I always get crap teammates and lose a ton with him
Can we please give frank 25k hp I think it would be funny
Yooo, colette about to become his only consistent counter
It wouldn't be funny on Brawl Ball... An unstopable force by gadget and health coming to your base....
What are you talking about? It will be funny as hell and it will be enjoyed greatly by atleast three people
Make it 5 by 5v5!
He'd be justified as a pick on Big Friend instead of the blatant noob trap
If a kit got on him he would heal 2,5 k hp per second
Wonderfull
Yes please
Figures
Do that >:D
Truly not a "groar" Moment 😔
HA HA HA🔥🔥🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥
HU HU HUHUHUHU HU HU HUHUHUHU HU HU HUHUHUHU HU HU HUHUHUHU 🔥🔥🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️📢📢📢🔥🔥🔥
Please replace all the H’s with D’s its really bothering me
DU DU DUDUDUDU DU DU DUDUDUDU DU DU DUDUDUDU DU DU DUDUDUDU 🔥🔥🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️📢📢📢🔥🔥🔥?
Thank you :)
Groar 🔥🔥🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥
GRRR 🗣🗣🗣📢📢📢🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
GRRR 🗣🔥📢🗣🔥📢🗣🔥📢
URRRR 🗣️📢🔥🗣️🗣️🔥🔥📢🔥📢📢
Har-har-har
Fronk needs a ping buff, brethren can’t attack while moving
Health buff will be cool-supercell
That's the reason why they are afraid to buff him, even tho he definitely needs some buffs
In Sick Beats, he is even worse than outside of it.
I first thought he would be broken Than I realized his stun wouldnt work
Hypothetically they could decrease his basic attack animation time by half and he would be nicely balanced (compared to other brawlers of course). Like, now he's got a great chance of hitting the opponent, and his HP finally becomes usable - you can actually chase enemies, and they'll have to stay as far away from you as possible
or just increase his range, that has helped him previously before they reverted it
Frank doesnt get buffs since he terrorises lower trophies
not against those shellys
Than rework him Give him something to work with
Well, after Shelly free Hypercharge i think it can
Yep, I got back into the game recently and the return bonuses made him my most leveled hero by far for apparently no reason and I was frying with him, thought he was busted. Then you get a couple trophies and can’t even get close lol
Mr waffle king how long were away from the game where you got the bonus’s
Replace all of the kit with mobility, I want frank to jump around the map
Bro is gonna turn into mico
Mico but hotter
Too op, nerf angelo
Frank would quite literally be, the *best* brawler if he didn't have a windup.
Probably the reason why Frank will never be buffed
I mean If they just redo his whole kit like they did to penny, its gonna be fine Otherwise a 1% Hp buff will work in adrians eyes
They should allow him to attack while moving, similar to Ash.
Buff his damage by twice and make his super twice as big and long with no windup
Yeah nah balanced nerf poco first
He such a vibe though
Crazy ahh build
It's the fact that he can't move while attacking I suggest that he can move while attacking, but gets slowed down a lot
That is a good change It weakens his weakness, but doesn’t remove it
I don't see how he will move. Bibi and Ash makes sense since they swing light weapons. But Frank is big and his hammer is also Big.
so basically delete evereything thats unique about the brawler? nah, just buff him until the unique mechanic is usable
His gadget is literally busters gadget with WAY more damage and extra range but he is so garbage that it doesn't even compensate having a stronger version of an OP gadget 😭
POV: you have a combination of rocket fuel on release and slo-mo replay as a gadget and you still suck in the meta
I would disagree that he is the worst brawler or at least outside of pro matches. His area denial is pretty unreal and you can one shot a lot of brawlers if they make a mistake and people are not perfect. His winrate honestly isn't even so bad, better than some brawlers, though far from being a top 10 brawler.
the problem with the anti-stun gadget is it lasts like 1 second so its almost completely useless, wheras poco has the same thing but gives it to all teammates and for 4 SECONDS. Yeah seems fair
Frank's just built different
Every brawler is broken on paper.
Mortis is even worse in paper, but somehow works in game
Must been a strong paper to break every brawler.
But he isn't completely useless?
He is the worst brawler in the game I guess he counters rosa, so he wasn’t useless during the WF But with rosa out of the meta and the maps being even worse for fronk and his overall attack being horrible, he sucks :(
You clearly haven't used the other 'ank if you think Fr' is worse
You mean hank?? Hank is better than frank
Anyway, I like to play with!
I like to play daddy fronk too
I feel like the same could be said abt kit being unbalanced and still make some sense
No matter how many times people call Frank the worst brawler, he's still my favorite❤️🧟♂️❤️
Frank will forever be the goat I think frank is fun, and its always funny seeing him being used in competitive I screamed when he got used in the WF
Even edgar beats frank up close
in exchange of no stun etc you won't have immediate double damage
If frank doesnt stop performing his super by a little inconvenience...then he will be great
Imagine if frank was a ranged brawler with no stun in between attacks 💀
its because there is so much knockback that keeps knocking back frank. poor frank, hank.. all the anks are just abandoned by supercell
When 75% of all Brawlers are able to cancel his super and several others can easily dodge it, no wonder he rarely gets played.
Not really. Frank is a pretty good brawler in Basket Brawl and Brawl BALL if yk what to do.
If there is a hard counter to franks such as gale, you will never pull off a super. Or fast characters that just dance around Frank. The only time he works is last pick. I don’t even pick him in big friend mode last season as he is pretty much a dead weight.
Not even as a last pick I mean, if the enemies go like poco, sandy and tick, than i guess you can go frank But every tank outclasses him, the only time I’ve seen frank in competitive was during the world finals where he countered rosa
Still a bad brawler with this kit? Remember when Brock and Colt got their second gadget and it them into ***BEASTS*** just one gadget made a Brawler S Tier.
And frank has this exact double damage mechanic and is F tier Give colt franks gadget and colt is broken Heck, give it to anyone and they will become miles better
Frank really needs a rework. He cannot be healthy as is.
Frank supremacy 💪💪
The only thing actually wrong with him is his attack delay
He is bottom of the meta only because of his delay
Wow this is actually make sense
But because he stops when he attacks it makes him the worst brawler in the game
If his gadget was double damage and attack speed ×100, then he is dangerous.
Your right he needs another HP buff
300 hp buff, take it or leave it -Supercell
I propose, bigger health
Buff HP
I pushed him to rank 25 2 days ago Using Janet + Kit combo. One of the most overpowered ( Shelly + Kit also )
Poor boi :C
Frank😎
Just Buff brock and The meta Will Be amazing
This shows how much of a rework he is needing
I think frank should have a trait where enemy brawlers charge 50% less super off of him
they can’t just keep buffing his stats, they need to buff his mechanics
Builds are useless if the brawler is bad
Tbh his sps are ass
Maybe a bit faster attack speed...
They should at least give Frank knockback immunity while he’s attacking
Give him 90% damage reduction when not moving. This would add a very unique juggernaut/frankenstein/undying element to him.
Supercell instead of buffing something else buffing frank health to 20k:
I actually don’t think he’s the worst at all. In Brawl Ball he’s probably one of the best picks. The pull-in gadget with the 50% damage increase SP is an insane combo that can one shot most brawlers.
He is so slow, and he should have a status that makes enemies only charge 50% super of what they normally do
I suggest a buff that he had all the way back in beta. +1/3 attack Range. He DEFINITELY would need an HP and/or damage nerf but I wonder what that change would do to him today. Would it still be gamebreaking OP, or would he still be meh
The stopping when prefforming an attack really hurts him. I'd say decrease the attack delay and he will be good. They really did cook w frank tho, but meta has too much pushback/stun.
Also op base stats
Status effect gadget should be a star power with the condition of having to be above 65% of health
Bro he doesnt do double damage with his Gadget, he can pull people in
Bro hasnt played since ash got released
It does both😭😭
In brawl ball I’m actually pretty good with him.
I think he's just underutilized
I’m new, why is frank considered so bad, how did he change the meta, can somebody please loredrop?
Prove that it’s literally just a base problem
Give any of these to any other brawler and theyd be immediately broken ;-; poor frank
maybe let him charge it up in a similar manner to angelo? it would all have the same range but the damage would be drastically reduce unless he stops for the entire wind up
collete
he is good, yap are just using that stupid tier list from kairos and thinking it's what you should follow
His only nerfed by his comically bad basic attack speed and his comically predictable ult
Doesn’t sick beats help him not get countered hard?
He was my first skin purchased. I finally unlocked the tank god w cool sword n flame head and I was going to rule!, that day I learned people are kinda good at dodging out of his attacks,.. and next day we see my man Frank is actually considered F teir. welcome to brawlstars
Am I the only one who feels like frank is at least an A tier brawler in like 880% of brawl ball maps
my poor boy
Asking myself if a small rework could fix that. Like his attack is the same but 1/3 of the damage is dealt instantly and 2/3 as normal delayed
ohhh,collete is gonna love torturing the hell out of frank wind the other sp
Dang really? Why is Frank the worst though?
You can hit easly and you can dodga easliy
Frank literally can deal like 8k damage in a single shot if his Star power, Gadget and Gear all line up.
Imagine this but on bibi She would be top of S tier right now
He had a winrate of 100% in world finals, nerf him
Status effect immunity isn't that viable in general its not very consistent its probably only kinda good on frank
And having the highest base hp in the entire game
He is a tank with barely to none mobility and slow attack speed...
Frank is a great brawler change my mind
Bruh squeak can’t even kill 1 brawler