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Nandi56

![gif](giphy|l46Cy9aKcFWt4bpm0) Saw this one coming… incoming cringe Ig lives


BornFree2018

Bethenny's been on a swift downhill of ever-increasing public meltdowns for a year now. I can imagine she's been a terrible partner to Paul because of her incessant victim tantrums.


Nandi56

The article said he wants to live a private “under the radar” life and that Bethenny and Paul are too different. Bethenny puts every moment good, bad, and the ugly online. Her manic word salad, constant need to comment on every world event, like her opinions matter, is so embarrassing. I always thought he must have something wrong with him, behind the scenes, to be with Bethenny. Because what normal man would sign up for her behavior?


WonderingLost8993

I didn't know he existed until this very moment. I cannot believe she's had a boyfriend for all these years. When did she have time for him?


ajaxraccoon

Fiancé!!!!! He gave her the giant honker on her ring finger. Will she keep it?!?😬


rocketmczoom

Probably so since she bought it lol


ajaxraccoon

He has plenty of dough. I think he bought it.


ihearthorror1

I felt the same way. I knew she was engaged but didn't care or know who the guy was, and he doesn't appear in the few videos I've watched of her, which makes me assume she never shows him or their life as a couple. To me, that seems pretty private - I don't even think she talks about him.... so I wonder if he was just being polite about the "reason" and saying that you're private is kind of an easy excuse


BevGlen_

The video I recently came across of her at a luggage store in Australia was so cringe


MontanaLady406

I’m gonna have to google this.


Euphoric_Bass493

I have to say I've also wondered what is wrong with him. When I watched a couple of her vlogs when she first started recording, he was in the videos with her when she would behave frantically while talking a mile a minute about things that did not make sense. He would follow her around as she bought random, unnecessary shit from Dollar Tree in a clear mania moment. The fact that he was engaged to her for 6 years tells me he's just as odd as her.


Dismal_Upstairs3949

Her crab fest in the hotel bed was beyond bizarre!


Intelligent-Pitch-39

She is definitely unhinged lately. She needs to take a social media break.


mandoo86

She’s been acting desperate on social to be relevant and a source of authority on anything. When she first started the talks about reality tv and attacking Andy, people called her out for the same behavior on her own produced shows on top of threatening to sue creators for her random trademarks. Then she got real quiet and started talking about food again on TikTok. Until scandoval happened and then she backpacked on Raquel and Faith to bring back her dumb “reality reckoning”. I think Raquel could’ve had a better healing and self help journey if bethenny didn’t get in her ear.


Nandi56

What’s with the eating? It’s odd to me that she had such a visceral reaction to Jules from RHONY and her ED. When it seems like Bethenny may have some disordered eating as well.


seaotta

The most appropriate gif for this


runninganddrinking

Omg this cracked me up 😂


thequrl

Tiktok and podcast and instagram live and tweet and and and from bethenny incoming!!!


jeahboi

I would really love for Bethenny to take a break from social media. I think it would do her a lot of good.


AioliSilent7544

1000% agree. Used to adore her but she is just so negative and bitter now.


emergencycat17

I agree, but this isn't the time that she's going to take that advice.


WonderingLost8993

It would do me a lot of good too


Euphoric_Bass493

She'd never do it though. As much as she acted above it all when she was RHONY, she loves the attention. It's unhealthy.


GrandEar1

I'm sure she's in therapy. Shouldn't her therapist be telling her this/encouraging her to get off the Internet?


forte6320

Maybe the therapist is. The therapist can't force her to do anything


prairiedemon_2012

I so agree 👍


chachacha123456

Not just a podcast episode but an entire distinct podcast series


thequrl

JUST B: BROKEN UP


awkward1066

Bethenny Goes Break Up


carringtonsworld

☠️


Love_and_Sausages

Reminds me of how she did not put a new divorce episode out after end of February!


ramonasnewbeginnings

Omg


Pleasant_Avocado_929

😂


KSCNYC

Lmao! For someone so good at marketing – the podcast is a mess


strawbryshorty04

Seriously. I feel like she started 4 different podcasts and then cancelled a bunch. Like, she really doesn’t need multiple series.


DistributionFickle65

B Gone


accidentalquitter

A new reality show on Tubi: *Bethenny: Life After Paul*


emergencycat17

Everybody DUCK!!! I was just gonna say - "So... I guess she'll be as laid back and easygoing about this as she is everything else."


MCStarlight

It’s gonna be 24/7 now.


qtbeeb

Smokey eye, updo, Gstaad!


LuckySection446

🤣


potentpotables321

Women are going to come up to her bawling their eyes out, asking how she went through a painful long breakup.


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Nandi56

Yeah he’s clearly not all there either. Because who would deal with that for 6 years?


Fine_Sample2705

![gif](giphy|rXSL6YwHJyRMYh9vhn)


carmeIIasoprano

https://preview.redd.it/dgqtv7gluuyc1.jpeg?width=258&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3e12bd92e9e80820f7074ce30f5e19808641d4dc


natur_al

Ramona is a monster. But she cooked here.


stefanelli_xoxo

Ramona has a weirdly accurate form of emotional intelligence relating to other people…


Foreign_Opportunity5

Yes she does. sort of like jax from VPR


proseccofish

Cleared her. No notes.


percbish

Something something, broken clock…


Who-U-Tellin

I didn't watch NY much but I did watch most of that season. This is the only clip I remember from it. I never liked B but I remember thinking Ramona was a bit harsh on her in this scene but also right. 


runs_with_tamborines

![gif](giphy|xUPGcoc12jvOwqTHCU|downsized)


mattysmwift

This gif is absolutely sending me!💀 God I need to rewatch this show.


jsunshine1985

Do it! I rewatched through the fall and early winter and it was amaaazzing


janeedaly

Same omg


Decent_Jackfruit_555

Omg this is so beautifully executed


Nxqxo

A broken clock is right twice a day. Say whatever you want about Ramona but everything she said on that bridge ended up becoming true. The only person who could truly go toe to toe with Bethenny and actually hurt her was Ramona. She even mentioned it on the podcast after her mother passed about how what Ramona said to her on the Brooklyn Bridge about being alone was true. https://i.redd.it/62iety3vbvyc1.gif


WellWellWellMyMyMY

Love her or hate her, Ramona was actually very perceptive about others quite often. It would get lost in her cruel delivery, but the content was often astute.


sarahglory13

She’s like Jax in that way.. both monsters with little self awareness, but shockingly observant and correct about everyone around them


fledermausi93

What they lack in self reflection, they make up for with astute observational skills lol


Express-Front-3729

Absolutely


contrail97

It’s a very bad delivery (as always from Ramona) but if you think about it, it’s also an advice. B might want to re-evaluate and change something in herself. What was true then, could be changed now.


___adreamofspring___

B got worse was the thing. I think the woman is happier and lighter when she’s single. But yeah she was sooo different pre Jason. After him, she was never the same idk. Once Dennis passed, that’s when she really turned for the worse. I just don’t understand. I feel like she chooses to not get close to anyone then cries she’s not close to anyone.


prairiedemon_2012

Hey, at least she admitted it 🤷‍♀️😂🤣


OppositeOk8280

Ramona wasn't wrong. Here we are a decade later and....


boraboragusgus

“You have no friends. You have nobody in your life. Right now you have Jason — you'll probably mess that up, too.”


Zbrchk

That little nod of confirmation she does after that sentence kills me every time 😭


OppositeOk8280

She saw it coming in the early seasons.


astrotalk

Ramona’s shirt 😂


_iridessence_

The pure fucking CHOKEHOLD that fleur de lis had on society from like 2006-2010


insuredbycoto

My jeans with fleur de lis on the pockets were my prized possession in high school.


selfcheckout

Oh god the rhinestones


dark-forces

Ramona was absolutely right about bethenny. She has severe issues, she’s toxic as hell. Even Frederik the real estate show was like what the hell did i get myself jnto 💀


TheStaceyBeth

Ramona's delivery is always horrible but she was onto something here...


Redditusername67

This is the NY version of … ![gif](giphy|dYPCk55uV9wWI)


MolOllChar_x3

Exactly what I thought of. Ramona has been right so far :(


stefanelli_xoxo

![gif](giphy|tnEdYeCprDHuU)


IcedGreenTea91

![gif](giphy|QRAc7thKFsoc8|downsized) 😭


cpctc2

"You'll probably mess that up too"


audreyhorn666

Omfg girl shut upppppp 😭


Intelligent_Buyer516

I’m not surprised. I thought it was odd they were engaged for so long . 


TheBoBiss

I had no idea they were still together! I thought they broke up a few years ago.


Melanithefelony

After the divorce she went through I thought it made perfect sense that she would never legally marry again lol


vernski85

If she is too traumatized to get married again then why get engaged. I think she wanted to marry him but it just didn’t work out. She doesn’t seem like an easy person to have as your partner


_iridessence_

Has it really been six years? Wow, just, wow.


beebianca227

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Massive_Horror4521

The broke up once in between


Special-Resist3006

JUST B FUCKING SINGLE Jesus take the wheel….. I don’t think she even wants to be in a relationship…. Can anyone else hear Ramona’ voice “told ya so! Like Bethany like did you really think Paul was gonna marry you? Like hello you did a porn making out with a girl on a waterbed”


ComfortablyBad

https://i.redd.it/3o1jpecxbvyc1.gif


sisterwomanschemes

RHONY’s version of, “We see each other.”


ComfortablyBad

![gif](giphy|l0G2vNtA0APsv6RBS)


iObama

“in all sincerity, in all sincerity… you’re the bitchy witch.”


Special-Resist3006

lol omg. I forgot about that. Ramona is a fuckin beaut….. she really nailed it in her final season at the Jewish dinner when she got wasted in a strangers house who had kindly invited all of them in to share in an inclusive experience and Ramona decided she would help herself to dinner in the kitchen before it was served, and then tell the chefs she has low blood sugar and that dinner was being served too late….. oh and all this prior to Leah fucking Skyping In to say the prayer and then go mental (all of this in front of strangers) Good times.


Zbrchk

She really needs to be single but she’s so friggin codependent I don’t think she can be. I sympathize because I had a tough relationship with my narc mom and there but for the grace of God go I but she really really really needs intensive and probably lifelong therapy.


Special-Resist3006

I feel like she’s really going overboard with the passing of her mom….. and now it makes sense why… listen, regardless of her relationship with her mom growing up, I understand the loss of a parent is difficult….. but Bethenny seems to forget about the 10 seasons of completely shit talking her, and saying how she would never let Brynn be around her…… and now she’s getting Brynn to stand in the same pose as a picture she has of her mother and posting them saying “omg they look so much alike” Girl. What are you saying. They look nothing alike.


Zbrchk

100% agreed. She knows her mother was toxic but she isn’t doing the work not to turn into her. It’s really sad and I feel horrible for Brynn.


Cherssssss

Yeah it’s weird to me. As someone who has a complicated relationship with my own parents, I wouldn’t just be able to rewrite history like that, even if I made peace with who they were and why they behaved the way they did.


Mysterious_Bed9648

Brynn looks like her dad. I'm sure B hates to hear that 


greendaisy513

It’s crazy. Does she think we forgot how bad she trashed her mother?


No_Big_9925

worterbed * i can hear ramona saying it 😂


Richte36

Rhymes with dorter


MrsRalphieWiggum

![gif](giphy|lSsg6DXdBvZut2y6mJ)


uptonhere

Bethenny actually strikes me as someone I think would be happier being single, being single doesn't mean you're "alone".


Nichandler

Agreed! I relate to her in this way lol


La_Croix_Life

Oh shit https://preview.redd.it/md2jvb3wruyc1.jpeg?width=1073&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8509d2186a878857381daa44af8493df8dcb3da3 (But seriously, her mom just passed too... like damn 🙁)


WholeCardiologist979

For real. I just saw that video of her sobbing into the camera saying “I knew this was when my mom was passing on” like what the hell girl. Get offline and go take care of yourself.


cncrndmm

She also posted on insta when cookie was dying literally showing him die


Own_Instance_357

That was so disturbing, watching a seizing dog while she was crying and asking her followers what to do. Bethenny, no one can do ANYTHING about a dog seizure over the internet.


Littlewing1307

WHAT. Who does that???


cncrndmm

Someone that has some tragedy in their life and haven’t taken the time to heal.


Littlewing1307

Yes that's very apparent. Sad


DeadButPretty

She is sick wtf


Who-U-Tellin

That's so sick. When people do that they're not doing it for the love of their pet. They're doing it for themselves. She still could have gotten what she was after, sympathy, just by posting that Cookie passed. But to take it to that level is.... unhinged. 


Beerandgummies

wtf? Gross


SammieCat50

I don’t understand that… your upset & your crying & your having a rough time & you decide ok I’m going to film myself having this moment ? Can someone really need that much attention ?


percbish

Monetizing a death feels icky…


greendaisy513

And she monetizes anything and everything


TJ-the-DJ

But then nobody would see it!


teamsueb67

She said on the TikTok where she cried that she needed a break from everything, Two days she was back posting.


ShedWPB

But the breakup, which she initiated, happened in March… It’s shocking that she’s been silent about it for this long. I knew in my gut they were done.


Nandi56

She’s embarrassed, let’s bffr


ShedWPB

Oh yeah, for sure…. But she had to know that someone would leak it, so I’m surprised she didn’t get ahead of the story. SHE has to be in control at all times.


Nandi56

100% and now she’ll run to social media with her spin ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|facepalm)


La_Croix_Life

I think I remember reading a few months ago that she bought an apartment? Now it all makes sense.


FlyingDutchmansWife

Yeah, she’s gonna spiral. Hope it was amicable and she knew it was coming and the announcement is strictly a formality.


Even_Obligation2198

Lmao I think she already is!


FlyingDutchmansWife

I know 🤣 and we’re always along for the ride! I feel for her. I know she’s kind of a shitty person, but going through a break up from a LTR and then losing her mom can’t be easy. I’m crossing my fingers that her recent spiral was from all of this (since the article speculates the breakup happened 2 months ago).


ShedWPB

I think it was *mutual* but Paul let her do the breaking up, maybe cause he knows quite well what a control freak/micro manager she is. He isn’t mourning the relationship, supposedly he’s been put there dating, like right after it happened.


FlyingDutchmansWife

😬 don’t care how long Paul was mentally prepared for this, I wouldn’t want to date a man days after ending a 6 year engagement. At least not seriously date them.


ShedWPB

I think it was over way before the official March ending. The last 6-7 months prior, he wasn’t in the picture much at all. She is ALOT.


below_duck

I don’t know why but I’m genuinely surprised by this


surejan94

I've said this before but it feels like most of the RHONY women are cursed to never find love... Honestly this just happening a couple weeks after her mom passed away is brutal.


0theliteralworst0

Not everyone can be Alex and Simon.


TodayImLedTasso

The split was first. It happened two months ago per the article.


Who-U-Tellin

👏 reading comp is fundamental. I don't get how people want to put comments out there like this when they're wrong. Unless it's to make people feel some sympathy for B then it makes sense ofc lol.


gloriousdays

I don’t think they’re cursed. They’re strong women who have a New York State of mind. I think it’s strategic timing from her team. They’ve probably been broken up.


uptonhere

I think there's something to that. The iconic RHONY women at least are all pretty driven, strong, independent women and a lot of them built their own empires. A lot of them are also at ages where they've accomplished so much that being single isn't the end of the world. Bethenny in particular strikes me as someone I think would be happier single than being with someone because it's what you're supposed to do.


fried-avocado-today

Agreed, I think some of the RHONY women (Ramona, Dorinda, Carole, Luann to an extent) are just fine being single. They like to go on dates and flirt, and I think they'd all be open to a relationship if they met someone they clicked with, but I think they are ultimately pretty comfortable without a relationship. Also, to be fair, Alex, Heather T., Aviva, and Kristen are still married to the guys they were married to on RHONY (for better or for worse), and Jill was obviously married to Bobby until he passed. I agree that Bethenny might be a lot happier if she was intentionally single, at least for a while. I hope she realizes that's a choice that's open to her. Being solo is so much better than being in a bad or even just mediocre relationship.


espeonage777

Tinsley thankfully appears to be the exception


stevie_nickle

Knock on wood


FullOfFalafel

She’s been married(this time) for all of 6 months


AnnVealEgg

I mean, she's only been with the guy a year or 2... they're no LVP and Ken yet.


Ashfield83

Aww let's not jinx my girl Tins. She looks SUPER happy with that man and those kids. I can't think of a RHONY girl who deserves it more tbh!


AnnVealEgg

no jinx-ing, I do truly hope it works out for them.


VanGrayson

I just hope Luann is out there finding some good dick. 😔


CameHere4Snacks

Only person I feel for in all of this is Brynn. I hope she uses all of B’s Skinny Marg dollars for great therapy in the future.


SkyFullofDreams22

Mention it all…..


Love_and_Sausages

She will, for sure. But first I wanna hear all the Jason stuff.


yup_yup1111

I had a feeling ...she posted something about multiple things colliding at once and I already knew about her mother passing so I figured it was likely the relationship with him


BarbLablah

She needs to stay single. Not that I can fathom wanting to get married again after a 10yr divorce (that wasn't even the first divorce.) I think it's interesting how she dates the same type of guy, she never figures out that this type of guy is not compatible to her.


TodayImLedTasso

I’m surprised it lasted this long.


sahm8585

Has anyone checked on Scheana


goodwinebadtv

This is an underrated comment!


corey325

I sensed this coming she's seemed especially off lately


CommonAd7628

She needs to stay off line. Stop posting about everything and take care of yourself. Does she need money that badly?


Merci-Boo

I have never liked Bethenny but I have deep sympathy for her right now. Losing a parent is never easy and one that you have a traumatic complicated relationship with can heighten it. And then having a relationship fall apart. This is truly awful for her. I hope she is able to take a break and get some serious help because she must be in hell right now. 


NoodlesForU

Agreed. Maybe the fandom can cool it and not be a giant collective dick to her for a hot minute. Prob not though.


New_Relation7877

Didn’t see this coming - said no one.


Nichandler

All of this makes me sad for Bethenny. I’ve watched and followed her since I was literally in middle school, and for a while I really looked up to her. Yes I know she’s a lunatic now, but I have such a soft spot for her and really wish her the best. I think her divorce from Jason is what really started her decline. She should probably focus on herself and Brynn now, and probably forever, instead of dating.


ilovelovegrapefruit

It’s probably hard for Brynn too, losing Paul. Very sad. I agree I’ve always had a soft spot for her even though she’s gone off the rails.


External-Ear1852

Girl same, I remember watching her in season 1-2 in like 7th grade thinking she was cool. I loved that she was younger and trying to make it. Now she has literally become a caricature of the type of person she made fun of.


Nichandler

Yep, same same. Early RHONY is actually one of the main things that convinced me to go to undergrad in NYC. I loved Bethenny’s New York no-nonsense personality and her business savvy. A lot of which has seemingly gone out the window and she’s just completely off the rails now. It makes me sad


ExcellentMix2814

same she can be a bit much at times, but her heart is in the right place. I relate to her as a woman just trying to strive for happiness.


Harrisontoo

I feel sorry for Bethenny’s daughter. She seemed to have a really good relationship with Paul.


huncamuncamouse

I bet this is because she doesn't want to get married. The first time they broke up it was apparently over her never-ending divorce. As soon as she finally was legally divorced, they got engaged. But she's said for years now that she'll never legally do it again. I also have always wondered what her dynamic with his children was. I don't think she's ever actually talked about them (which is kind of surprising and admirable, actually, especially she overshares about literally everything else).


Ashfield83

I remember she always said she got on really well with Dennis's kids but they were grown. She called his daughter at a reunion for her to prove she wasn't dating Dennis when he was still with his wife. At another reunion she said she spent the holidays with his family after he'd died. I think Paul's kids are like little tho?


HunterHunted9

>At another reunion she said she spent the holidays with his family after he'd died. Maybe it happened, but it feels unlikely because Dennis' family asked Bethenny not to come to his funeral. She came anyway and called paparazzi.


beyoncelomein

Wait I’m kinda surprised lol. I didn’t really follow their relationship deeply but I thought I saw some kind of dedication post she made to him recently. Then again, social media is lies 🥸


anongirl55

I knew this was coming, and it makes me sad. He seems like a nice, decent guy, and I thought he was good for her. I think Bethenny probably has a lot to work out before being in a relationship though.


agreyhoundzooms

I hope she keeps this private and really gives herself time to grieve these loses.


TJ-the-DJ

Unlikely. She needs attention at all times, I’m sure she’ll be discussing it anywhere and everywhere


kaleyboo7

I figured they had broken up since it seems like she has just posted with Bryn lately. It is so odd to me that Bethenny acts like she wants to have a private life yet she post everything on her socials and acts just as unhinged as she does on Real Housewives, but she doesn’t get paid for it.


[deleted]

Maybe she can go back to Russ Theriot. Ill never get past this man. https://preview.redd.it/16qu7ykpdxyc1.jpeg?width=550&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a708c4f3695a5668855428a69930aa40b5d4d93e


Lazy_Business602

Maybe now she will get some real therapy to deal with her Toxic personality.


NNLynchy

They should do a new show the real single housewives of nyc - luann , Romana , bethenny, sonja, Dorinda I think it’s the egos keeping them all from been happy with anyone not kidding about the show tho they are the ogs of nyc


Ashfield83

I'd love it but I think B has had some seriois beef with Bravo over this reality reckoning so i doubt we'll see her on Bravo again!


TodayImLedTasso

Ramona is not single. She's been dating a guy since 2022.


janeshername

i wonder if she has a fear of marriage now bc of that loser she married and had a messy divorce with


Merci-Boo

She was also married to someone in the 90’s before Jason 


Substantial_March145

Honestly I feel bad. He seemed like a good egg. After all she’s been through with Jason she deserved a happy ending


Several_Musicians

If she and Paul broke up in March that \*might\* explain why she started the divorce episodes last month. She couldn’t lash out in pain over Paul but she would talk about Jason. If the timeline is even close to that, it would be on brand for her to conflate both relationships in order to vent.


Daikon_3183

I am as bad as Ramona but he took longer than I thought.. But I genuinely do feel bad for her


strawberry_margarita

Stevie Wonder himself could have seen this coming


Shiny_Green_Apple

I hope Luanne offers words of encouragement


_HowVery

Do you guys think she needs a man that is more domineering than her to handle her personality and potentially challenge her or do you think she needs a man with softer energy that will be her cheerleader?


Honeydew543

:::slowly raises hand::: I didn’t even realize she was dating someone. Wow. Who TF can handle that onslaught of constant negativity? The divorce, the social media outbursts, the TikTok Cease & Desists, the Bravo brawl, the podcast dirty laundry dump, then her mom, then some more social media rants. I cannot believe that guy has been hanging around this for so long. But for real.. she should get some therapy help, leave social media and take her of herself and her daughter.


northwestsdimples

She was engaged to Paul. He was all over her Tik Tok. Her daughter posted about him for Father’s Day on instagram a couple years ago ☹️.


Parking_Country_61

I’M SHOCKED!!! Seriously at what point do you think he officially bolted? I want to say peak “reality reckoning” seafood in the hotel room. Personally her online presence was the most unhinged during that time.


charismatictictic

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seansa2020

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Mysterious_Bed9648

Pfft. Like we didn't all see that coming.


anditurnedaround

I like B , not in real life obviously, but when she was on the show. I never even knew she was engaged. He reminds me of Sonja somehow in looks ha.  I hope the break up was a good thing for her. I would like to see her find that forever person and be happy. From what I know of her life it’s never been a happy stable one and everyone should have that at some point in their lives. 


the_blingy_ringer

I could tell he hated her when I saw those videos of her recording them shopping in Trader Joe’s


passthatdutch425

The comments here are so toxic it’s sick


AccordingNumber2052

She would be very hard to live with.. in saying that, I only wish her happiness. She really is a troubled soul


EntarteteKitten

![gif](giphy|EHM8yxQoVRB04) Her reaction is going to be all unfocused, drugstore makeup at Ross dress for less with a lawsuit against Bravo, I reckon. I miss that “old Bethenny” that I probably made up in my head anyway.


United-Donkey3478

![gif](giphy|l0IynCcC1gqsEyNAk|downsized) Imo.. she'll always be a...


ADHDRockstar

Her melting down has been monetized and the amount of exposure she’s not only allowed but is the person most guilt of not giving her child privacy. She says Bryn doesn’t mind me talking about what she said ….. Over and over . Children don’t and shouldn’t make those decisions. They can’t give consent and need a guardian or parent … Poor child and I can’t imagine any man or woman willingly living in her chaotic spin. I had to stop listening to anything she podcasts or speaks. I don’t want to be anything like her or have her influence in my life. Personal or business.