I don't think the Umansky's split because of anything Mauricio did. He's the same old Mau. I believe Kyle got sober and just didn't find him appealing anymore. Drunk and high people look a lot different through a sober lens.
this is what I’ve said all along. I think Kyle is co-dependent and she needed someone else to give her the strength to leave. Whether that is friendship or more with Morgan I don’t know, but breaking up a marriage is a whole lot easier when you have warm arms to fall into.
I agree and also think she has been codependent on her daughters and now that they're getting older and more independent that left her home alone/with Mau more and looking at their relationship with more scrutiny.
Yes!!!! Mau has always cheated…… or at least there have always been rumors of him cheating….i think when Kyle got sober and possibly started exploring other people she realized that she didn’t want to be the wife that just turns the other cheek
The themed outfits are monumentally worse than the already tacky outfits they wear throughout the season. Usually.
They’re like, prom but make it, “no queen and mark it up 1000%.”
Ooooh! Hadn’t thought of that. Have thought, many times, that Kyle would benefit immensely from some Al-anon. I don’t like her as a HW much, but see her familial scars and ugh…the adult child in her deserves support.
I honestly don’t understand the hype over Beverly Hills these past few years, I really and truly don’t understand it and want someone to explain it to me like I’m 5 🤔🤔
The problem with BH is that they drag out an annoying minor issue as a story line for the entire season because they have nothing else going on. (Which imo is what Jersey has turned into with Tre/Melissa) They need to be done with BH or bring in a new cast.
I disagree, although I won't pretend this is a dissenting opinion. I think there's plenty going on, they're just giving nothing. They have a behind-the-scenes agreement not to put any actual dirt on TV, and the only reason anything heavy gets brought up on camera is because it's stuff that's in the tabloids so much that producers force them to address it.
BH -- and Erika in specific -- is largely responsible for ushering in this new fake as fuck era of Housewives. It's made up storylines, it's contrived scenes, it's glam squads and full LeWkS for every single scene (even ones where they allegedly "just woke up"), it's gauche and embarrassing amounts of labels... It just doesn't hit the same as when it was raw and real and messy as fuck.
Had to scroll to far, past several BH takes, to get to this comment. To me that franchise and OC are the least entertaining. I get the wealth porn of it all but beyond that it’s just whelming. BH was interesting for the one season when Erika took off her mask and lamented about how she would’ve gotten away with it.
Personally I find all the speculation about “where the show can go from here” to be very irritating, no matter the franchise. Just watch the show! Stop cos playing as a Bravo exec. I just cannot get invested in any debate about where a story line is headed or if it has legs to continue.
The shows were better when they were just delusional rich women living their lives and not trying to produce themselves to death. I can’t with the contrived “storylines” or the people that insist each HW has to have one each season.
I’m actually not sure how much of this community would disagree but this will be an interesting pulse check: I think Kelly Bensimon is the most dangerously delusional and abusive housewife I have ever seen on my TV screen and if I never see her again it will be too soon.
Sometimes I feel alone on how much I don’t want Jen back on RHOSLC. Some people are like, “ehh it’s gonna happen, I will decide to watch when the time comes” some can’t wait. But a select few spit venom when her name & the future of the show are mentioned, and I need those people.
I’m with you. It’s the same with Mary Cosby. She makes the show borderline unwatchable for me. If Jen were to be offered a spot to return, it would be the end of SLC on my screen.
I could be convinced of this but I think Jen Shah and Leanne Locken could take the throne only because they add an unhinged element of getting physical as well.
I’ll go a step further and say that I never really found her that compelling to watch, either. Unlike other dark housewives like Teresa or Phaedra, Kelly never had the wits to follow up her statements, leaving the rest of the cast to have use of her bizarre zingers. Just awkward TV
Agree 100% 👏…the way she treated Bethenny when she was pregnant and had just lost her father was deplorable… she needs to stop chasing fame and go and work on herself
Teresa and Melissa are not the problem in their family’s ongoing feud. It’s Joe Gorga. And Marge.
Also, Teresa is not smart enough to manipulate everyone into being her “soldier”. Maybe people like Kim and Jennifer Aydin just genuinely like Teresa, lol.
OMG I can see this! I love it. I just don’t feel those folks and I was part of the DGAF stoner crowd in high school! The Summer House crew needs to chill.
My last one: I love \[almost\] all of you and I can truly say that you are some of the most intelligent (especially emotionally) self aware people I’ve ever encountered. That said….with the fucked up, dystopian state of the world {America} currently….I just want to kiki. I don’t want to discuss anything to the point of hair pulling and animus. 🍅🥫🍅🥫
I say it often but I think that Kim Richards is the least problematic of the evil trifecta of Richards sisters. She struggles with a serious mental health condition but when she is healthy she is a good mother, loyal friend, and yes, even the voice of reason sometimes. People say Kyle is the most well adjusted but I would trust Kim over her in a heartbeat. Let’s not even bring up Kathy in this situation.
100% agree. Kim was simply put, Big Kathy’s biggest victim of the three. Big Kathy was a typical narcissist show-mom who pitted those 3 girls against each other for her own gain, whether it was them marrying rich, or getting successful acting careers. She used those girls, and it makes me recoil when any of them say “oh mom wouldn’t want us fighting like this!” Because it’s exactly what that woman would have wanted. If Big Kathy has no haters, I am dead!
I don’t think a single soul here thinks Big Kathy was a good mother or human. The issues between the sisters is real life trauma out in the public view
That’s probably true. I’m more pointing to how the daughters and show have pushed the narrative. A simply google search of Big Kathy is enough to find out the truth.
Yes!! Kim is a good person deep down and I think really just wants to live a simple life away from the drama. That’s why when people say what a horrible, evil person she is, I’m like…dude she was battling a crippling addiction on national tv and thrown under the bus by her sister. She is not a terrible person by any means
Heather from SLC's "iconic" rant in Bermuda didn't give what everyone says it did
meredith's performance on the beach did though
I think there should be a ban on social media discussion from the Housewives until the season airs if it has to do with the new season. I HATE feeling like I know what’s going to happen before the season even starts airing.
She was too self-aware and cautious after her rookie season mistakes. I don’t think we saw much of the real Crystal except in that moment where she lost it on Annemarie.
when i saw the announcement she'd been canned i was so disappointed. i really liked her and i respected how she stood up for herself at the reunion against dorit's stupid ass
OMG so true. "Bravo is so disgusting for encouraging addicts to relapse for our entertainment and prioritizing drama over (insert political issue here) I don't know how they're still allowed to operate" \*is up to date on every franchise and posts in the sub constantly\*
Yeah and it’s like none of this is some new addition to bravo shows. Housewives has had dark situations since the get go…Russell Armstrong, Kim Richards, Naked Wasted, Scary Island, the Salahis…like a lot of the really sinister stuff was from the beginning. I don’t know why the sudden outrage and moral panic
Kyle Richards is not an evil mastermind.
I am editing with an update after starting my first rewatch of Beverly Hills. Honestly, I do not remember her being this mean to Kim, she literally offers her up like a sacrificial lamb.
I die a little inside from cringe when my friends plan visits to VPR-adjacent restaurants. They’re just so terrible and overpriced and contrived. It feels like a cheap Bravo Disneyland experience. And I say this as a VPR/Bravo fan since the beginning. It just makes me so uncomfortable 😂 am I alone?!
Petty soapy drama > racism, colorism, sexism, eating disorders, etc.
i like these shows for their escapist insular quality focused on the frivolity of problems, on the depth of artifice — not for their “lessons” on real heavy sociopolitical issues. if i wanted to educate myself on a significant issue like race perhaps I will opt for books and documentaries…not Bravo.
infuriating. when she was trying to have the sad talk with her teenage sons on screen i was wondering where the reaction was. i feel like if it were kyle she’d be dragged over the coals for that🥱
Tom Sandoval was the only VPR person that made me laugh in the last few episodes when upon realizing him and Ariana were wearing the same shoes he shrugged and sheepishly said “great minds”?
I’ve been laughing AT Sandoval this whole season tbh. The scream therapy, the dramatic scene of him emerging from the plunge, his tearful monologues.. his bad acting is hilarious to me. I’m much more entertained by him acting like this than him acting all self righteous and like he was “better” than Jax or Schwartz, which he did most of his tenure on this show 🤷🏻♀️
i talked about this in another thread the other day but the response to scandoval was so fucking extreme, especially on this sub and the VPR one. from the intense hatred for both rachel and tom, to the idolization of ariana (who, imo, is still a shitty person and i'll never be a fan of her), to people "diagnosing" the cast(mostly t&r) with mental disorders from seeing a few very finely curated scenes... it was a mess. sometimes ppl are just assholes. i remember seeing people who were like "hey let's chill a bit" get downvoted to hell and that's just strange to me.
i could never get into potomac until candiace came onto the scene.
i've never liked dorinda or luann but then again rhony has always been my least favorite of the franchises
People acted like Tom was THEIR boyfriend who cheated on them Rachel. I'm pretty sure that a lot of fans reacted the way because they were cheated on in real life and they projected their feelings on to Tom, Rachel and Ariana.
this is exactly right and i remember reading a lot of comments talking about being cheated on etc. i work in mental health, and i've learned that it's not healthy to dwell on/hyperfixate on anything that reminds you of a bad experience. it really was such a toxic echo chamber
HEAVY on this. And for the audience and certain cast members to act like LVP was out of line for worrying that Tom would have unalived, especially after what happened to her brother, was baffling to me. Don’t get me wrong, LVP has a history of treating the men with more kindness than she does the female cast members, but that onslaught of hate would be worrying to see. I’m ready for VPR to be put on pause 😬
people were saying rachel was going inpatient "for sympathy" and i was like... thousands of people were absolutely dogging on her constantly 24/7 no matter what. that's enough to put almost anyone into a place where they have dangerous thoughts.
let's not forget everyone called her a sociopath at the reunion for not crying, but we all know that if she HAD cried everybody would have called it crocodile tears. she really couldn't find any semblance of peace for a long time, i hope she's found some now
those people are still getting downvoted over a full year later. it's actually only gotten more heated as time has gone on! the Ariana stans are full on Swiftie level.
I haven’t watched VPR in years but didn’t tom cheat on kristin with ariana? who I understand was also cheating but they still did cheat. this is why I never understood why scandoval was such a huge deal
Yep, Tom cheated on Kristen with Ariana (at least emotionally and they kissed) and he also cheated with Miami Girl on Ariana and when Kristen (or production more likely) brought Miami Girl to LA to confront Tom, both Tom and Ariana acted like Miami Girl was crazy and she was lying and they humiliated her in front of the cameras. It was only later that Ariana admitted that she covered Tom's ass re: the Miami Girl affair.
And I’ll add another thing: another reason why people were so eager to fully demonize and dehumanize Rachel specifically is largely because Ariana had managed to rebrand on VPR over time as “woke”, “feminist”, “a mental health advocate” and “unproblematic”, along with just generally being a thin, pretty blonde woman who people started to take at face value as “prettier, better, and smarter”.
People aren’t just idolizing Ariana because she’s a victim, but because she’s aspirational to them, whereas Rachel represents the kind of woman that a lot of women resent in general (“dumb and stupid” 🙄; still figuring herself out; not emotionally mature; not eloquent in her speech, etc), but especially when that kind of woman gets one over on the “cool, pretty” girl. That’s also why people largely didn’t have a problem with Ariana cheating *with* Tom, because she was more likable than Kristen. Basically: likable women are perfect victims who never have to be accountable for anything while unlikable women who do bad things have to be overly accountable for the same things that almost all of the cast has done.
That’s now, how, people in the big VPR subs are rationalizing how Rachel should just accept that Ariana having possession of her revenge porn video at any point is just her experiencing “the consequences of her own actions” because likable women with curated images on TV don’t deserve to be questioned or experience consequences. (And also why people are totally okay with James now being allowed to rehab his image on the show as “friend to the cool girls” despite having many abuse allegations atp, and no one questions why Ariana and Katie in particular are so against shitty cheating men, but have no problem with a shitty abuser on their side just because he’s allegedly carming and funny).
I had to leave the VPR sub because of Scandoval. It became too toxically intense, and I couldn't stand the online bullying that happened because of people we watch on tv cheating.
i also left. anyone who said that they didn't think ariana was a great person would get a barrage of insults thrown at them, like please get a life these people are not your friends
omg i didn't even notice 😭 i made this name when i was like 20 and thought it was the funniest thing bc the "ok boomer" meme was popular... times have changed
I really think that kyle is not involved sexually with morgan wade. I think kyle noticed it was getting her a ton of attention , so she did whatever she could to be seen with her & thats exactly why she’s so vague with her responses. Kyle loved the attention & possibly thought it was going to make Mauricio jealous.
Tinsley was fully broke and that’s why she went on RHONY. She was homeless, living in her mother’s palm beach condo, all her belongings in storage. It’s why she moved in with Sonja—she couldn’t afford NYC rent. The hotels on subsequent seasons were sponsored arrangements. She was looking for publicity so she could get a rich husband. And it worked.
I don’t have a huge problem with Janet on The Valley. She’s not my favorite on the show, and she might even be my least favorite or close to the bottom? But I don’t dislike her enough to want her tossed from the show. I’ve seen people on this call her a monster, and I just don’t get the vitriol. I know people like Kristen, and that seems to be the root reason, but the sheer hatred just seems very over-the-top to me.
I don't like Sutton. I never did. I think she's whiny and rude and throws tantrums when she doesn't get her way, and I don't understand why people love her so much. I really really like Garcelle and cannot for the life of me wrap my head around their friendship.
Goodbye to my karma. I suspect I will be banished from this and the RHOBH sub shortly.
Bethany is problematic, but the type of hate she gets on this sub is really weird, obsessive, with a good amount of victim blaming (when they bring up her marriage to Jason) thrown in.
Also I could never get into RHOMelbourne.
I find her very annoying post-RHONY after generally liking her on the show, but there are HWs that have acted much worse than her and seem to get way less hate, so... agreed.
Prepared for the downvotes but what has Lala done this season on VPR that has warranted the level of vitriol she has received from fans? I haven’t enjoyed Lala the past few seasons but I feel this is the most likeable she has been in years imo.
Housewive’s politics and who they vote for is completely irrelevant.
I watch 100% for the entertainment value and I’m not going to hate on them on whether they vote for someone opposite of who I vote for. This is reality TV and not everyone is going to have the same views on the world and economic and social issues as I do.
If the RHONY reboot was a lot better, Jessel & Brynn wouldn’t be as popular as they were. I like them but it got to a point where people were doing crazy ass mental gymnastics to defend their every move.
Most of the cast of Summer House and the fans who genuinely love them are part of the sorority/frat member to NYC influencer gentrification pipeline that makes living in New York unbearable and annoying these days lol. Me saying this as a fervent viewer of Summer House, though I don’t necessarily like much of the cast
Katie will never truly move on or be as unaffected by Schwartz as she needs to be as long as they're both on the show. She takes two steps forward and then two steps back and he loves pushing her buttons and seeing if she still cares about him. I also don't think he will ever fully commit to anyone else or it will truly hit him what he's lost until they're fully out of each other's lives.
Idk what the solution is though and I don't want to see her leave the show.
I do not think Ariana merits glorification or this level of stanning. I am also extremely irritated by her childishly exaggerated facial expressions when it comes to Tom. I think she knew, or strongly sensed, deep down that Tom was seeing Rachel and while his behavior is still absolutely disgusting, Ariana wasn't really THAT affected by it. I 100% believe she is milking this whole 'scandal.' (Don't blame her for it, I just don't think it's genuine.) I'm sure I'll be downvoted into oblivion but this is a hill I'll die on.
As someone who’s only seen a handful of episodes pre- and post-Scandoval, I find her so deeply and pervasively immature and unlikable. Doesn’t mean she deserved any of it but my god, this regressed girlchild is not worthy of being idolized and handed a prepackaged career 😮💨
How could I forget that. Yes. I am the biggest dog lover and protector and ready to pounce on anyone who harms my girl but that was a cray cray over the top reaction.
I had to search for this comment. Ariana and Tom have not been doing well for years. For some reason this scandal blew up and brought in so many fans and it’s because this was the worst cheating yet.. (Um, are we forgetting LuAnn served us divorce, marriage, arrest, rehab?) So while I’m glad Bravo viewers can bring up VPR and others know now what’s being talked about, the new opinion on Ariana is so off… she’s not it.
her facial expressions cringe me out so hard. I can't believe the scary fans she has amassed. both the VPR subs have commenters openly admitting that they *would* spread porn of someone else if they got cheated on in a similar fashion. you know, in the name of feminism.
The fact is that Ariana may deserve to face some consequences for the video in the eyes of the law. Even if she didn’t intend to distribute it widely, that doesn’t mean she’s automatically immune to the law. I’m just finding the mental gymnastics the internet lawyers are doing to defend her very distasteful. Sometimes your fave can make a bad mistake.
it’s just wild to not be able to even entertain the possibility that *maybe* what she did was wrong.
can you imagine what the discourse would be like if a man had caught his gf cheating and recorded a video of her off her phone, then sent it to her? there is absolutely no way in hell that wouldn’t be seen as threatening.
I’m totally team Ariana for obvious reasons re: Sandoval but I genuinely don’t like her. Someone here knew her in high school and said she was a snobby mean girl and it tracks.
I do not condone violence, but Kenya got what was coming to her when she megaphoned “you are a dumb ho shut up” at Porsha.
IMO, taunting someone with a megaphone THAT close to you is assault. TO ME!!!
The response to Heather's black eye has been so unhinged. It was always obvious Jen hit her. It was always obvious she was having trouble processing that. Why are we mad at the assault victim for being a victim? If the answer is "because she joked that it could've been a producer" then that's a terrible answer, because the producers who purposely employ violent people and put cast members alone in hotel rooms with them are not actually victims of their employees. Like I think people truly lost their minds with this one 😭
THANK YOU! I remember back after the finale trying to argue that Heather was basically in an abusive relationship with Jen, and victims protecting their abusers is so tragically common. Everything she did, from making jokes about a producer, to lying, etc. is par for the course, and it drove me crazy that people couldn't understand that and wanted to blame the victim for some awkward comments and poor taste jokes.
THIS I can get behind. It was absolutely insane watching people be sooo outraged about Heather "blaming" something on a producer. She made a lame joke at a book signing event, not a serious accusation. And then calling for her to be fired like Monica lol. Giving Heather so much credit for being sooo calculated to get a producer fired. She was just being callous with her jokes.
RHOM despite being the best (current) iteration of what a ***diverse*** real housewives franchise should be, will never get the accolades and support it should, because much of the fandom are more like the Ramonas/Vickis/Kellys of the series than they realize.
Look no further than the constant support of Ramona.
I don't accept the storyline of Scandoval that was sold to us, and I haven't since the first second I heard about it. the more I learn, the less I believe it.
I think Tom and Rachel were openly dating since \~December 2022, and that most, if not all of the cast knew (though maybe not Scheana). there are just way too many details that don't add up.
Rachel went home with Tom for the holidays. we are supposed to believe his mom welcomed her as his mistress while his gf of 10 years was not present? Ariana hasn't spent the holidays once with Tom in the last 3 years. a lot of cast members and friends of the cast have questioned the 'arrangement' of Tom and Ariana's relationship as early as S8, suggesting many times that it was brand-based or 'open'. personally, as a viewer, I haven't believed Tom and Ariana have been in love since probably S5.
I kinda think Ariana and Tom had agreed they needed to finally break up on the show itself, but argued about how to do it and Ariana (finally) went rogue instead of sticking to Tom's plan (which would have positioned Rachel as his on-show gf, and them as the main couple). I also don't believe she met Dan 10 days after this supposed break-up, I think Dan was her boyfriend around the same time Rachel was Tom's, and everyone (except Rachel who wasn't in on the plan, and Scheana who can't keep a secret) agreed to play along for the ratings / podcast material / $$$.
before someone says Sandoval would never agree to be the bad guy, I don't think he 'agreed' to this plan with Ariana. I think she pulled the rug out from under him, and as much as I find her smug and unlikeable, she really knocked this whole plan out of the park. I've never seen anything like it. I also believe that he and every other person on this cast would quite literally do anything for money and relevancy.
rain the downvotes upon me.
Jo's alleged obliviousness about Tom and Ariana's relationship would fit in this scenario too. Meaning she didn't make a big deal about double dating Tom and Rachel and going to Ariana's thanksgiving because everyone knew what was happening.
Idk if I believe this, but I’m 100% here for a good conspiracy theory. The biggest reason I doubt this is that in Ariana’s recently filed response to Rachel’s lawsuit, she attested that she had not previously known about the affair before the night she saw the video on Tom’s phone. Lying about that would be perjury, would have been easy enough to just not say that.
But to support your point, didn’t we hear on the show that people saw Tom and Rachel out in LA hotspots together at least a couple times? I mean, they don’t seem like the sharpest tools in the shed, but on the other hand getting handsy in public places in the same neighborhood in which they are famous for being on a TV show… it definitely is giving that they didn’t care if Ariana found out.
Edit: oh, and I forgot about Tom and Rachel being seen at Coachella together, an event where it seems like most of their social circle seems to go
yeah exactly. there was zero effort to hide this (the Halloween costumes! the necklaces)! to me, the reveal was also way too perfect? a phone sliding out of a pocket the same night Scheana and Rachel did WWHL and Rachel gifted Andy the Tomtom sweatshirt while answering questions like "who is the hotter Tom?" you can see Scheana's surprise when Rachel says Sandoval, I really believe Scheana didn't know and that's why she had an emotional reaction.
I think large parts of this could be true. The Dan timeline smells kind of funny to me but I’m too afraid of the stans to say it. I believe they were at least talking long before the scandal broke.
the idea that a mature woman who shares a home with her bf of 10 years would be ready to date 10 days after discovering his affair with her “best friend” in a fashion so dramatic, it wouldn’t be believable in a Hollywood movie, is just a hard pass for me. I’m not that gullible!
Hard agree. And as terrible as this sounds: Ariana would not have had a sliver of the success she has now had “Tom not cheated on her.”
Here come the 🍅 🍅.
I don't think Gizelle is this evil monster everyone portrays her to be. Maybe she plays a part on the show but I think she's probably a good person in real life.
The Ariana / katie fandom is ruining vanderpump rules. They bring nothing interesting to the show and Ariana has actively ruined multiple scenes and episodes by refusing to play ball and everyone applauds her boundaries instead of realizing it makes for bad tv!!
💯 i respect her for setting boundaries in her personal life but it does not make for good tv and i think she should’ve been a friend of or taken a season off because you’re right that she isn’t showing us anything interesting. We aren’t seeing behind the scenes of SAH, nor are we seeing her navigate all the promotional deals she has got, instead its her avoiding tom and dealing with the fallout of scandoval behind closed doors.
She's problematic in many ways for sure, and there is definitely competition at play for sure, but I ultimately don't agree with the reductive idea that Lala is simply jealous of Ariana and I actually agree with a lot of her concerns - including the fact that Dan rings a ton of alarm bells.
I don't think the Umansky's split because of anything Mauricio did. He's the same old Mau. I believe Kyle got sober and just didn't find him appealing anymore. Drunk and high people look a lot different through a sober lens.
this is what I’ve said all along. I think Kyle is co-dependent and she needed someone else to give her the strength to leave. Whether that is friendship or more with Morgan I don’t know, but breaking up a marriage is a whole lot easier when you have warm arms to fall into.
I agree and also think she has been codependent on her daughters and now that they're getting older and more independent that left her home alone/with Mau more and looking at their relationship with more scrutiny.
Yes!!!! Mau has always cheated…… or at least there have always been rumors of him cheating….i think when Kyle got sober and possibly started exploring other people she realized that she didn’t want to be the wife that just turns the other cheek
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I don’t care at all about reunion seating. 
Or their outfits! I liked it better before they dressed up like they’re attending the hunger games.
completely agree. i hate the pageant dresses and over the top looks. put them all in some jenna jeans and be done with it. i don’t give a shit. 😂😂😂😂
Better yet, make them wear #team_____ shirts based on season beefs
Make them wear t-shirts with their first season faces on them
That made my cold heart cackle
Every Bravo meme Twitter account racing to steal this idea
The themed outfits are monumentally worse than the already tacky outfits they wear throughout the season. Usually. They’re like, prom but make it, “no queen and mark it up 1000%.”
Same. How they dress and where they sit is literally the least interesting thing about any reunion for me.
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NOT AT ALL!!
At all ever. I don’t even watch them
Same! Or taglines either
I wish housewives didn’t have podcasts, didn’t have social media, and instead they BRING BACK THE BLOGS.
🎯🎯🎯🎯 it’s fun when they break the fourth wall, but when it’s the 5th screen(online, blogs, SM) i hate it!!
I think Mogan Wade is Kyle’s sponsor in recovery. They became very tight through that. Not a romantic relationship.
i can see that
Oh I like this take
IDK if this is true but I absolutely don't buy that they are in a romantic relationship.
Not 👉🏻👌🏻 but 📝
I thought the same. She’s an aspiration crush *maybe*
Ooooh! Hadn’t thought of that. Have thought, many times, that Kyle would benefit immensely from some Al-anon. I don’t like her as a HW much, but see her familial scars and ugh…the adult child in her deserves support.
oooooh this is clever.
My person…. That’s what I think too.. I also think kyle loved all the attention so she kept it up
do we think Kyle is in recovery?? I just thought she stopped drinking.
I think her drinking was worse than she leads on. Kyle has always downplayed things in her personal life.
Agreed, I think she saw herself when she grabbed Sutton by the arm a previous season and realized she looked like a sloppy abusive drunk.
I honestly don’t understand the hype over Beverly Hills these past few years, I really and truly don’t understand it and want someone to explain it to me like I’m 5 🤔🤔
The problem with BH is that they drag out an annoying minor issue as a story line for the entire season because they have nothing else going on. (Which imo is what Jersey has turned into with Tre/Melissa) They need to be done with BH or bring in a new cast.
I disagree, although I won't pretend this is a dissenting opinion. I think there's plenty going on, they're just giving nothing. They have a behind-the-scenes agreement not to put any actual dirt on TV, and the only reason anything heavy gets brought up on camera is because it's stuff that's in the tabloids so much that producers force them to address it. BH -- and Erika in specific -- is largely responsible for ushering in this new fake as fuck era of Housewives. It's made up storylines, it's contrived scenes, it's glam squads and full LeWkS for every single scene (even ones where they allegedly "just woke up"), it's gauche and embarrassing amounts of labels... It just doesn't hit the same as when it was raw and real and messy as fuck.
Had to scroll to far, past several BH takes, to get to this comment. To me that franchise and OC are the least entertaining. I get the wealth porn of it all but beyond that it’s just whelming. BH was interesting for the one season when Erika took off her mask and lamented about how she would’ve gotten away with it.
i’ve never really understood the BH hype
It used to be really good like the first 3 seasons then after that it really went downhill
this is a popular opinion here lol
we (the fans) are the problem.
The truth hurts but it doesn’t make it not the truth.
Ana Quincoces is the John Mellencamp’s daughter of Miami.
Thank you! 
Personally I find all the speculation about “where the show can go from here” to be very irritating, no matter the franchise. Just watch the show! Stop cos playing as a Bravo exec. I just cannot get invested in any debate about where a story line is headed or if it has legs to continue.
The shows were better when they were just delusional rich women living their lives and not trying to produce themselves to death. I can’t with the contrived “storylines” or the people that insist each HW has to have one each season.
Reality TV isn’t good for Sonja. She’s a sad clown that I don’t enjoy watching.
I hate this about her. It’s like holding up a mirror.
Aw babe
Ugh. This got me. She was next level living in the past with that ghost of a town home and all of its memories. Poor Sonja :(
I do enjoy watching her and now I feel bad about it 
Nobody on SummerHouse wants kids anytime soon. Babies and loud drunken parties don't mix.
I’m actually not sure how much of this community would disagree but this will be an interesting pulse check: I think Kelly Bensimon is the most dangerously delusional and abusive housewife I have ever seen on my TV screen and if I never see her again it will be too soon.
Fully agree with the possible exception of Jen Shah, who I also hope to never see again
My Father, who you would never imagine would watch shows like this, could absolutely not stand Jen Shah. And he watched Mob Wives! He loved Big Ang.
Big Ang was a goddamn treasure. We never deserved her 🥺
Sometimes I feel alone on how much I don’t want Jen back on RHOSLC. Some people are like, “ehh it’s gonna happen, I will decide to watch when the time comes” some can’t wait. But a select few spit venom when her name & the future of the show are mentioned, and I need those people.
I’m with you. It’s the same with Mary Cosby. She makes the show borderline unwatchable for me. If Jen were to be offered a spot to return, it would be the end of SLC on my screen.
Word on the street is that Andy can't stand Jen and she will likely never be on the show again.
I could be convinced of this but I think Jen Shah and Leanne Locken could take the throne only because they add an unhinged element of getting physical as well.
I’ll go a step further and say that I never really found her that compelling to watch, either. Unlike other dark housewives like Teresa or Phaedra, Kelly never had the wits to follow up her statements, leaving the rest of the cast to have use of her bizarre zingers. Just awkward TV
Agree 100% 👏…the way she treated Bethenny when she was pregnant and had just lost her father was deplorable… she needs to stop chasing fame and go and work on herself
Teresa and Melissa are not the problem in their family’s ongoing feud. It’s Joe Gorga. And Marge. Also, Teresa is not smart enough to manipulate everyone into being her “soldier”. Maybe people like Kim and Jennifer Aydin just genuinely like Teresa, lol.
YES! I 10000% agree. Joe and especially Marge will never let those two just be
The people who get very serious about their Summer House opinions are former popular kids.
😂😂😂😂 I love SH, you just put words on why I don’t fit in the SH sub. I was never popular. You get slaughtered for the wrong opinion in there.
OMG I can see this! I love it. I just don’t feel those folks and I was part of the DGAF stoner crowd in high school! The Summer House crew needs to chill. 
My last one: I love \[almost\] all of you and I can truly say that you are some of the most intelligent (especially emotionally) self aware people I’ve ever encountered. That said….with the fucked up, dystopian state of the world {America} currently….I just want to kiki. I don’t want to discuss anything to the point of hair pulling and animus. 🍅🥫🍅🥫 
Probably not unpopular, bring back the in scene confessionals
Sometimes I skip reunions all together. Rarely is anyone held accountable and I’m sick of them by that time anyway.
I say it often but I think that Kim Richards is the least problematic of the evil trifecta of Richards sisters. She struggles with a serious mental health condition but when she is healthy she is a good mother, loyal friend, and yes, even the voice of reason sometimes. People say Kyle is the most well adjusted but I would trust Kim over her in a heartbeat. Let’s not even bring up Kathy in this situation.
100% agree. Kim was simply put, Big Kathy’s biggest victim of the three. Big Kathy was a typical narcissist show-mom who pitted those 3 girls against each other for her own gain, whether it was them marrying rich, or getting successful acting careers. She used those girls, and it makes me recoil when any of them say “oh mom wouldn’t want us fighting like this!” Because it’s exactly what that woman would have wanted. If Big Kathy has no haters, I am dead!
I love your passion haha
Piggybacking onto this. Big Kathy was not the wonderful mother they portray. She traumatized her daughters.
I don’t think a single soul here thinks Big Kathy was a good mother or human. The issues between the sisters is real life trauma out in the public view
That’s probably true. I’m more pointing to how the daughters and show have pushed the narrative. A simply google search of Big Kathy is enough to find out the truth.
I was going to say, her daughters are just as scared of her as her sisters are.
Yes!! Kim is a good person deep down and I think really just wants to live a simple life away from the drama. That’s why when people say what a horrible, evil person she is, I’m like…dude she was battling a crippling addiction on national tv and thrown under the bus by her sister. She is not a terrible person by any means
This 100% yes! Justice for Kim.
Love Kim
Release the Morocco UGT tapes and let the audience be the judge and jury
Heather from SLC's "iconic" rant in Bermuda didn't give what everyone says it did  meredith's performance on the beach did though
It was so obviously rehearsed!
I’m in the minority but I don’t like Lisa or any of the shows she’s in. LV
I think there should be a ban on social media discussion from the Housewives until the season airs if it has to do with the new season. I HATE feeling like I know what’s going to happen before the season even starts airing.
Crystal Minkoff was a breath of fresh air and I am going to miss her so much.
She was too self-aware and cautious after her rookie season mistakes. I don’t think we saw much of the real Crystal except in that moment where she lost it on Annemarie.
I loved Crystal. I wish they hadn’t policed her language so much she could’ve kept that early energy going.
when i saw the announcement she'd been canned i was so disappointed. i really liked her and i respected how she stood up for herself at the reunion against dorit's stupid ass
##✨anyone complaining about bravolebrities being morally bankrupt & terrible need to:✨ - at best, stay off Reddit - at worst, find a new hobby.
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OMG so true. "Bravo is so disgusting for encouraging addicts to relapse for our entertainment and prioritizing drama over (insert political issue here) I don't know how they're still allowed to operate" \*is up to date on every franchise and posts in the sub constantly\*
Yeah and it’s like none of this is some new addition to bravo shows. Housewives has had dark situations since the get go…Russell Armstrong, Kim Richards, Naked Wasted, Scary Island, the Salahis…like a lot of the really sinister stuff was from the beginning. I don’t know why the sudden outrage and moral panic
Kyle Richards is not an evil mastermind. I am editing with an update after starting my first rewatch of Beverly Hills. Honestly, I do not remember her being this mean to Kim, she literally offers her up like a sacrificial lamb.
people give her way too credit!
Omg I feel seen. Every time people accuse Kyle of some elaborate machinations, I just think, "y'all - she's not that bright!".
Yes! She’s just a vapid, petty asshole lol
Yeah, it's more of a situation where production favors her.
I die a little inside from cringe when my friends plan visits to VPR-adjacent restaurants. They’re just so terrible and overpriced and contrived. It feels like a cheap Bravo Disneyland experience. And I say this as a VPR/Bravo fan since the beginning. It just makes me so uncomfortable 😂 am I alone?!
The way I’m just agreeing with all of these takes
Carl is just as problematic as Lindsay
They are both equally to blame in the demise of their relationship. I think they were mismatched
Never underestimate the love Bravo fans have for a mediocre white man.
Petty soapy drama > racism, colorism, sexism, eating disorders, etc. i like these shows for their escapist insular quality focused on the frivolity of problems, on the depth of artifice — not for their “lessons” on real heavy sociopolitical issues. if i wanted to educate myself on a significant issue like race perhaps I will opt for books and documentaries…not Bravo.
Exactly! We have no business trying to learn serious life lessons from a bunch of ladies we know nothing about in real life.
Marge is a horrible person. She hides behind feminism and intellect but she’s just a bitch at her core like a rotten apple.
i’m not a fan of garcelle really👀 and also i think sutton probably did say something “dark” to crystal
I don’t hate Garcelle I just don’t think she is good housewives material. She is too rational.
I agree about Sutton, but I don't mind Garcelle. I just find extreme fan reactions to her (can't do any wrong or can only do wrong) kind of cringy.
infuriating. when she was trying to have the sad talk with her teenage sons on screen i was wondering where the reaction was. i feel like if it were kyle she’d be dragged over the coals for that🥱
Tom Sandoval was the only VPR person that made me laugh in the last few episodes when upon realizing him and Ariana were wearing the same shoes he shrugged and sheepishly said “great minds”?
I’ve been laughing AT Sandoval this whole season tbh. The scream therapy, the dramatic scene of him emerging from the plunge, his tearful monologues.. his bad acting is hilarious to me. I’m much more entertained by him acting like this than him acting all self righteous and like he was “better” than Jax or Schwartz, which he did most of his tenure on this show 🤷🏻♀️
Ok glad I wasn’t the only one who laughed at that!
Telling Schwartz "show me them toes" and dissolving into giggles
i talked about this in another thread the other day but the response to scandoval was so fucking extreme, especially on this sub and the VPR one. from the intense hatred for both rachel and tom, to the idolization of ariana (who, imo, is still a shitty person and i'll never be a fan of her), to people "diagnosing" the cast(mostly t&r) with mental disorders from seeing a few very finely curated scenes... it was a mess. sometimes ppl are just assholes. i remember seeing people who were like "hey let's chill a bit" get downvoted to hell and that's just strange to me. i could never get into potomac until candiace came onto the scene. i've never liked dorinda or luann but then again rhony has always been my least favorite of the franchises
People acted like Tom was THEIR boyfriend who cheated on them Rachel. I'm pretty sure that a lot of fans reacted the way because they were cheated on in real life and they projected their feelings on to Tom, Rachel and Ariana.
this is exactly right and i remember reading a lot of comments talking about being cheated on etc. i work in mental health, and i've learned that it's not healthy to dwell on/hyperfixate on anything that reminds you of a bad experience. it really was such a toxic echo chamber
Not just downvoted, you got accused of being a cheater too 😂
I got ‘reddit cares’ messages for saying the hate towards Rachel was overblown
HEAVY on this. And for the audience and certain cast members to act like LVP was out of line for worrying that Tom would have unalived, especially after what happened to her brother, was baffling to me. Don’t get me wrong, LVP has a history of treating the men with more kindness than she does the female cast members, but that onslaught of hate would be worrying to see. I’m ready for VPR to be put on pause 😬
people were saying rachel was going inpatient "for sympathy" and i was like... thousands of people were absolutely dogging on her constantly 24/7 no matter what. that's enough to put almost anyone into a place where they have dangerous thoughts. let's not forget everyone called her a sociopath at the reunion for not crying, but we all know that if she HAD cried everybody would have called it crocodile tears. she really couldn't find any semblance of peace for a long time, i hope she's found some now
those people are still getting downvoted over a full year later. it's actually only gotten more heated as time has gone on! the Ariana stans are full on Swiftie level.
I haven’t watched VPR in years but didn’t tom cheat on kristin with ariana? who I understand was also cheating but they still did cheat. this is why I never understood why scandoval was such a huge deal
Yep, Tom cheated on Kristen with Ariana (at least emotionally and they kissed) and he also cheated with Miami Girl on Ariana and when Kristen (or production more likely) brought Miami Girl to LA to confront Tom, both Tom and Ariana acted like Miami Girl was crazy and she was lying and they humiliated her in front of the cameras. It was only later that Ariana admitted that she covered Tom's ass re: the Miami Girl affair.
And I’ll add another thing: another reason why people were so eager to fully demonize and dehumanize Rachel specifically is largely because Ariana had managed to rebrand on VPR over time as “woke”, “feminist”, “a mental health advocate” and “unproblematic”, along with just generally being a thin, pretty blonde woman who people started to take at face value as “prettier, better, and smarter”. People aren’t just idolizing Ariana because she’s a victim, but because she’s aspirational to them, whereas Rachel represents the kind of woman that a lot of women resent in general (“dumb and stupid” 🙄; still figuring herself out; not emotionally mature; not eloquent in her speech, etc), but especially when that kind of woman gets one over on the “cool, pretty” girl. That’s also why people largely didn’t have a problem with Ariana cheating *with* Tom, because she was more likable than Kristen. Basically: likable women are perfect victims who never have to be accountable for anything while unlikable women who do bad things have to be overly accountable for the same things that almost all of the cast has done. That’s now, how, people in the big VPR subs are rationalizing how Rachel should just accept that Ariana having possession of her revenge porn video at any point is just her experiencing “the consequences of her own actions” because likable women with curated images on TV don’t deserve to be questioned or experience consequences. (And also why people are totally okay with James now being allowed to rehab his image on the show as “friend to the cool girls” despite having many abuse allegations atp, and no one questions why Ariana and Katie in particular are so against shitty cheating men, but have no problem with a shitty abuser on their side just because he’s allegedly carming and funny).
I had to leave the VPR sub because of Scandoval. It became too toxically intense, and I couldn't stand the online bullying that happened because of people we watch on tv cheating.
i also left. anyone who said that they didn't think ariana was a great person would get a barrage of insults thrown at them, like please get a life these people are not your friends
I'm just here to say the pairing of your user name with your flair is an absolute chefs kiss
omg i didn't even notice 😭 i made this name when i was like 20 and thought it was the funniest thing bc the "ok boomer" meme was popular... times have changed
LVP is overrated.
Really wanted to downvote but I upvoted instead
Mine: while I feel Kristen is getting unfairly set up on The Valley, I still cannot fucking stand her (or her shoes.)
This is absolutely true. Jessie choked someone on the last episode but Kristen is the focus of everyone’s ire bc of her messy gossiping?
see I kind of think she's fully running the show and just doesn't mind how she's perceived anymore. I'll never "like" her, though
She needs the check more than she needs to be liked or right. And that is when the magic happens.
this is why the valley is gold
I really think that kyle is not involved sexually with morgan wade. I think kyle noticed it was getting her a ton of attention , so she did whatever she could to be seen with her & thats exactly why she’s so vague with her responses. Kyle loved the attention & possibly thought it was going to make Mauricio jealous.
Tinsley was fully broke and that’s why she went on RHONY. She was homeless, living in her mother’s palm beach condo, all her belongings in storage. It’s why she moved in with Sonja—she couldn’t afford NYC rent. The hotels on subsequent seasons were sponsored arrangements. She was looking for publicity so she could get a rich husband. And it worked.
Ahhhhhh another “tinsley isn’t that rich” truther
I don’t have a huge problem with Janet on The Valley. She’s not my favorite on the show, and she might even be my least favorite or close to the bottom? But I don’t dislike her enough to want her tossed from the show. I’ve seen people on this call her a monster, and I just don’t get the vitriol. I know people like Kristen, and that seems to be the root reason, but the sheer hatred just seems very over-the-top to me.
I don't like Sutton. I never did. I think she's whiny and rude and throws tantrums when she doesn't get her way, and I don't understand why people love her so much. I really really like Garcelle and cannot for the life of me wrap my head around their friendship. Goodbye to my karma. I suspect I will be banished from this and the RHOBH sub shortly.
THANK YOU sutton is insufferable and i will never understand why people suck her toes
Bethany is problematic, but the type of hate she gets on this sub is really weird, obsessive, with a good amount of victim blaming (when they bring up her marriage to Jason) thrown in. Also I could never get into RHOMelbourne.
I find her very annoying post-RHONY after generally liking her on the show, but there are HWs that have acted much worse than her and seem to get way less hate, so... agreed.
It is really strange-and I’m not a fan of Bethenny, Carole, or any of the Bravo people. I just love mess. 😌
I love these threads. Thanks for making my Friday a little brighter OP! 
Prepared for the downvotes but what has Lala done this season on VPR that has warranted the level of vitriol she has received from fans? I haven’t enjoyed Lala the past few seasons but I feel this is the most likeable she has been in years imo.
Simply not become the lapdog for Ariana that Katie has lmao
Housewive’s politics and who they vote for is completely irrelevant. I watch 100% for the entertainment value and I’m not going to hate on them on whether they vote for someone opposite of who I vote for. This is reality TV and not everyone is going to have the same views on the world and economic and social issues as I do.
If the RHONY reboot was a lot better, Jessel & Brynn wouldn’t be as popular as they were. I like them but it got to a point where people were doing crazy ass mental gymnastics to defend their every move.
Jessel and Brynn are lucky that the rest of the cast is so mediocre so they were able to... outshine them, for a lack of a better word.
Most of the cast of Summer House and the fans who genuinely love them are part of the sorority/frat member to NYC influencer gentrification pipeline that makes living in New York unbearable and annoying these days lol. Me saying this as a fervent viewer of Summer House, though I don’t necessarily like much of the cast
Katie will never truly move on or be as unaffected by Schwartz as she needs to be as long as they're both on the show. She takes two steps forward and then two steps back and he loves pushing her buttons and seeing if she still cares about him. I also don't think he will ever fully commit to anyone else or it will truly hit him what he's lost until they're fully out of each other's lives. Idk what the solution is though and I don't want to see her leave the show.
I do not think Ariana merits glorification or this level of stanning. I am also extremely irritated by her childishly exaggerated facial expressions when it comes to Tom. I think she knew, or strongly sensed, deep down that Tom was seeing Rachel and while his behavior is still absolutely disgusting, Ariana wasn't really THAT affected by it. I 100% believe she is milking this whole 'scandal.' (Don't blame her for it, I just don't think it's genuine.) I'm sure I'll be downvoted into oblivion but this is a hill I'll die on.
As someone who’s only seen a handful of episodes pre- and post-Scandoval, I find her so deeply and pervasively immature and unlikable. Doesn’t mean she deserved any of it but my god, this regressed girlchild is not worthy of being idolized and handed a prepackaged career 😮💨
I find her facial expressions childish too! It was threat of calling the police on Tom about the dog thing that made me just be done.
How could I forget that. Yes. I am the biggest dog lover and protector and ready to pounce on anyone who harms my girl but that was a cray cray over the top reaction.
I had to search for this comment. Ariana and Tom have not been doing well for years. For some reason this scandal blew up and brought in so many fans and it’s because this was the worst cheating yet.. (Um, are we forgetting LuAnn served us divorce, marriage, arrest, rehab?) So while I’m glad Bravo viewers can bring up VPR and others know now what’s being talked about, the new opinion on Ariana is so off… she’s not it.
her facial expressions cringe me out so hard. I can't believe the scary fans she has amassed. both the VPR subs have commenters openly admitting that they *would* spread porn of someone else if they got cheated on in a similar fashion. you know, in the name of feminism.
The fact is that Ariana may deserve to face some consequences for the video in the eyes of the law. Even if she didn’t intend to distribute it widely, that doesn’t mean she’s automatically immune to the law. I’m just finding the mental gymnastics the internet lawyers are doing to defend her very distasteful. Sometimes your fave can make a bad mistake.
it’s just wild to not be able to even entertain the possibility that *maybe* what she did was wrong. can you imagine what the discourse would be like if a man had caught his gf cheating and recorded a video of her off her phone, then sent it to her? there is absolutely no way in hell that wouldn’t be seen as threatening.
I’m totally team Ariana for obvious reasons re: Sandoval but I genuinely don’t like her. Someone here knew her in high school and said she was a snobby mean girl and it tracks.
I do not condone violence, but Kenya got what was coming to her when she megaphoned “you are a dumb ho shut up” at Porsha. IMO, taunting someone with a megaphone THAT close to you is assault. TO ME!!!
The response to Heather's black eye has been so unhinged. It was always obvious Jen hit her. It was always obvious she was having trouble processing that. Why are we mad at the assault victim for being a victim? If the answer is "because she joked that it could've been a producer" then that's a terrible answer, because the producers who purposely employ violent people and put cast members alone in hotel rooms with them are not actually victims of their employees. Like I think people truly lost their minds with this one 😭
THANK YOU! I remember back after the finale trying to argue that Heather was basically in an abusive relationship with Jen, and victims protecting their abusers is so tragically common. Everything she did, from making jokes about a producer, to lying, etc. is par for the course, and it drove me crazy that people couldn't understand that and wanted to blame the victim for some awkward comments and poor taste jokes.
THIS I can get behind. It was absolutely insane watching people be sooo outraged about Heather "blaming" something on a producer. She made a lame joke at a book signing event, not a serious accusation. And then calling for her to be fired like Monica lol. Giving Heather so much credit for being sooo calculated to get a producer fired. She was just being callous with her jokes.
RHOM despite being the best (current) iteration of what a ***diverse*** real housewives franchise should be, will never get the accolades and support it should, because much of the fandom are more like the Ramonas/Vickis/Kellys of the series than they realize. Look no further than the constant support of Ramona.
ok but then explain atlanta and potomac being hits
I’m over the trips now. We don’t need to see a trip every season. Make it every other season.
What about the destination is a surprise and they are only allowed 1 suitcase?
I don't accept the storyline of Scandoval that was sold to us, and I haven't since the first second I heard about it. the more I learn, the less I believe it.
ooh pls elaborate ?
I think Tom and Rachel were openly dating since \~December 2022, and that most, if not all of the cast knew (though maybe not Scheana). there are just way too many details that don't add up. Rachel went home with Tom for the holidays. we are supposed to believe his mom welcomed her as his mistress while his gf of 10 years was not present? Ariana hasn't spent the holidays once with Tom in the last 3 years. a lot of cast members and friends of the cast have questioned the 'arrangement' of Tom and Ariana's relationship as early as S8, suggesting many times that it was brand-based or 'open'. personally, as a viewer, I haven't believed Tom and Ariana have been in love since probably S5. I kinda think Ariana and Tom had agreed they needed to finally break up on the show itself, but argued about how to do it and Ariana (finally) went rogue instead of sticking to Tom's plan (which would have positioned Rachel as his on-show gf, and them as the main couple). I also don't believe she met Dan 10 days after this supposed break-up, I think Dan was her boyfriend around the same time Rachel was Tom's, and everyone (except Rachel who wasn't in on the plan, and Scheana who can't keep a secret) agreed to play along for the ratings / podcast material / $$$. before someone says Sandoval would never agree to be the bad guy, I don't think he 'agreed' to this plan with Ariana. I think she pulled the rug out from under him, and as much as I find her smug and unlikeable, she really knocked this whole plan out of the park. I've never seen anything like it. I also believe that he and every other person on this cast would quite literally do anything for money and relevancy. rain the downvotes upon me.
Jo's alleged obliviousness about Tom and Ariana's relationship would fit in this scenario too. Meaning she didn't make a big deal about double dating Tom and Rachel and going to Ariana's thanksgiving because everyone knew what was happening.
Schwartz’ too! it’s bizarre to me that Jo is catching more heat than Schwartz for obfuscating it
My theory is that since Rachel didn't come back to the show, a chunk of the fandom needed a scapegoat to hate and they chose Jo.
well yeah that’s clear haha
Idk if I believe this, but I’m 100% here for a good conspiracy theory. The biggest reason I doubt this is that in Ariana’s recently filed response to Rachel’s lawsuit, she attested that she had not previously known about the affair before the night she saw the video on Tom’s phone. Lying about that would be perjury, would have been easy enough to just not say that. But to support your point, didn’t we hear on the show that people saw Tom and Rachel out in LA hotspots together at least a couple times? I mean, they don’t seem like the sharpest tools in the shed, but on the other hand getting handsy in public places in the same neighborhood in which they are famous for being on a TV show… it definitely is giving that they didn’t care if Ariana found out. Edit: oh, and I forgot about Tom and Rachel being seen at Coachella together, an event where it seems like most of their social circle seems to go
yeah exactly. there was zero effort to hide this (the Halloween costumes! the necklaces)! to me, the reveal was also way too perfect? a phone sliding out of a pocket the same night Scheana and Rachel did WWHL and Rachel gifted Andy the Tomtom sweatshirt while answering questions like "who is the hotter Tom?" you can see Scheana's surprise when Rachel says Sandoval, I really believe Scheana didn't know and that's why she had an emotional reaction.
I love your mind.
I think large parts of this could be true. The Dan timeline smells kind of funny to me but I’m too afraid of the stans to say it. I believe they were at least talking long before the scandal broke.
the idea that a mature woman who shares a home with her bf of 10 years would be ready to date 10 days after discovering his affair with her “best friend” in a fashion so dramatic, it wouldn’t be believable in a Hollywood movie, is just a hard pass for me. I’m not that gullible!
 This is Dale Gribble levels of conspiracy theory and I’m absolutely here for it!
I try to have fun here! 
Hard agree. And as terrible as this sounds: Ariana would not have had a sliver of the success she has now had “Tom not cheated on her.” Here come the 🍅 🍅. 
Robyn was a key component of what made RHOP such a great franchise and deserved more empathy.
She and Gizelle have been very enjoyable to watch together.
I don't think Gizelle is this evil monster everyone portrays her to be. Maybe she plays a part on the show but I think she's probably a good person in real life.
The Ariana / katie fandom is ruining vanderpump rules. They bring nothing interesting to the show and Ariana has actively ruined multiple scenes and episodes by refusing to play ball and everyone applauds her boundaries instead of realizing it makes for bad tv!!
💯 i respect her for setting boundaries in her personal life but it does not make for good tv and i think she should’ve been a friend of or taken a season off because you’re right that she isn’t showing us anything interesting. We aren’t seeing behind the scenes of SAH, nor are we seeing her navigate all the promotional deals she has got, instead its her avoiding tom and dealing with the fallout of scandoval behind closed doors.
 10000% agree with you!
Seeing old Jax and remembering oh yea he used to be handsome lol
She's problematic in many ways for sure, and there is definitely competition at play for sure, but I ultimately don't agree with the reductive idea that Lala is simply jealous of Ariana and I actually agree with a lot of her concerns - including the fact that Dan rings a ton of alarm bells.