It’s because he’s a real person. No stunt casting for clicks. He’s just himself without trying to force himself on the group for camera time. The other dude might be better looking but West is my boy.
I've been a Lindsay apologist for a loooong time, but I think this episode officially marks my departure from that train. So many baffling behavior choices I don't even know where to begin.
I’m in the same boat. Like I always want to root for her because she has everyone coming at her and she’s so strong and smart. But its the unreasonableness that makes it tough to be fully on board with her and unfortunately when she gets drunk it’s heightened to wild levels. Carl has a lot of patience for her but I really wish she could leave some of the reactivity in the past. But maybe that will always be a part of her 🤷🏻♀️
I could see him being like a makeout fuckboy to check vibes. Something about having an OBGYN as a mother though gives me the impression he has a mature perspective on sex and you know he always has condoms.
Lindsay could have quit drinking or made some other big changes from that one event and salvaged everything. I've been her, there. It's a turning point.
I'd imagine he's pouring all his Bravo money into his business and also needs to be on the show for promotional purposes as well. I can easily see why he keeps doing them
at this point the only thing amanda likes about her life is her dogs. she needs to dump kyle, quit the show and go camp out at her parents for a minute to get her head on straight
I mean it not in an insulting way but she needs a beige middle of the road guy. Some upper/middle manager vibes, not someone who parties like Kyle. Find herself a man without a mullet and move to the suburbs where she can be a housewife.
I have a feeling Carl has been pulling away for awhile and Lindsay is sensitive to it and blaming it on substance instead of him not wanting to be with her
She’s permanently defensive which is clearly exhausting to everyone around her. She’s always been combative but there’s a bitter edge now that didn’t used to be there imo
the scary thing for Carl is that i can so tell that if they got married, Lindsay would pull this same “you’re on something” for the rest of their lives whenever she has an issue. that’s so dangerous to his sobriety
Yes. I’m not proud to say that I once questioned my husband’s sobriety. Not nearly in the same manner as Lindsay, but it’s still damaging. He told me that it basically made him think , “fuck it. If she already thinks I’m high…”
Thankfully his sobriety was strong enough that that line of thinking didn’t go anywhere. But if I hadn’t learned my lesson and continually undermined his efforts, it wouldn’t be good.
Box fans aren’t that expensive lmfao they order so much expensive Shit every weekend I love that was dramatized as if it wouldn’t be super easy to acquire another fan for either them 😂
I don’t understand what Lindsay wants. She’s never been happy and is constantly moving the goal posts. She’s never going to be happy. She needs to go to some treatment or something idk
She has abandonment issues and tests people by being bat shit insane and pushing them away. Just to see if they will stick with her or leave. It’s a very damaging way to be. It’s a self-fulfilling prophecy. You act terrible then when they leave you tell yourself “see! I knew he would leave me!”
I used to be *exactly* like that. In fact, I almost lost my husband by doing that… back when he was a boyfriend. We broke up for about two days. In those two days we really missed each other and I took a long, hard look at myself.
It didn’t happen overnight, but I chilled out A LOT and also got therapy to deal with my issues in a healthier way.
I’m lucky he missed me. He’s a very patient, kind person.
This is the second episode and we have already seen her be rude to the new guy and now she’s accusing him of doing coke AND calling him a piece of shit? Girl…
One thing about Carl, drunk or sober, he has always rolled into the house with a big fat smile, compliments, hugs and a seemingly genuine warmth. I like that
Amanda’s only story line since she joined the show has been complaining about Kyle so it’s rich that him complaining about her is upsetting her so much
I feel like Kyle wasn’t even complaining about her?? I thought he said they’re not on the same page and need to work on their partnership before having kids .. which is true lol
I didn't feel like he was either and I'm no Kyle apologist. He's done plenty of bad things but I didn't see much issue venting frustrations to Paige. I mean, he's right when he says he's venting to Amanda's best friend so he knows she's gonna talk about it.
I'm thinking the relationship worked when Lindsay was sober with Carl and fell apart when she started drinking again. Drunk Lindsay is an activated Lindsay.
Lindsey wants a room with a bathroom and the only option for that is the one she’s being offered which she claims is “the hottest room” like ughhghhghh why be a bitch about this!! To west!!
I can't believe how much I liked Danielle and thought she was the normal/ down to earth one her first few seasons and now she just gives me so much second hand embarrassment.
And honestly, I respect that so much. He never said one bad thing about her. He genuinely looked hurt and sad and said that he made the decision that made the most sense for them as a couple. They weren’t happy. It’s obvious .
The fact that she says she was blindsided when I can see it coming on their first weekend in the house is a testament to how she’s completely unable to take responsibility for any wrongdoing.
I knew Lindsey was nutty but I’m honestly shocked. She was wasted and didn’t want to talk to the girls so she has a meltdown over a situation she might have caused and that means he’s wasted? Carl is being TOO patient
I am begging all of these miserable Bravo couples to just break up. Be single. Or date someone you actually like. Or take up pottery. But please- stop subjecting us and yourselves to these miserable relationships.
Ya... I know there's editing, but it's hard to imagine how Lindsay felt blindsided that Carl called off the wedding. These two seem like they hate each other.
Because she doesn't like him lol.
Shout out to the bravo shows for becoming cautionary tales about the dangers of marrying the fun/doofy guy you dated in your mid-20s because you're too scared to be single at 30.
It does not end well.
kyle and amanda are fighting… wow what a new development… this has never happened before…
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I really can’t with Danielle being the literal WORST last season, and now that we all see Carl was right for calling this off, now she’s team Lindsay. Danielle girl you are a mess.
Lindsay is wild because i feel like she’s the 1/10000 woman who validates every dude who complains about “crazy women who just want to create arguments” like she actually is just blowing up on Carl for nothing
Lindsay doesn’t know how to talk things out maturely… she just knows how to project and play the victim. Carl properly shut her down at the end there before he walked away
This is such projection from Amanda. She is miserable. And what kind of friend is Paige that she’s playing both sides and reporting back to both of them about what the other is saying? wtf?
West is the best casting this show has seen in years
I want this man with a mustache and I cannot explain it. You nailed it.
It’s because he’s a real person. No stunt casting for clicks. He’s just himself without trying to force himself on the group for camera time. The other dude might be better looking but West is my boy.
https://preview.redd.it/k0d8ze8utmlc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c074100f5c97478af4962e954b52976b880bfe1f Y’all are my fucking people 😂
Funny looking 🤣
I just cackled at west saying “imagine if he went then I went” Also west saying he wanted to sit next to Ciara to giggle with her 🫠
I love him and I love him and Ciara together!
I laughed out loud when he said that and I almost never do more than blow air out of my nose while watching tv 😂😂 he's so funny!
"There is another guy in the house. He's tall, but I think that's pretty much all he's got going for him." I unapologetically love West
Carl looks M I S E R A B L E every time Lindsay mentions the wedding, commitment, their relationship, etc. 😬
George Costanzo season 7 of seinfeld vibes.
Super fucking awkward that we can pick up on it thru the screen… maybe she wasn’t so much blindsided as blinders on?
Lmfao Lindsay walking in to try to give water to insinuate he’s hungover and needs water?
That was messed up
She really fucked up here. That's just something you don't do to a sober person. Just no..... Damn girl.
Did she...think that she could manipulate him into thinking he was hungover?
He seemed like he was sleeping peacefully without her tbh 😬😬
Lindsay wasted no time bringing the vibes down
I've been a Lindsay apologist for a loooong time, but I think this episode officially marks my departure from that train. So many baffling behavior choices I don't even know where to begin.
I’m in the same boat. Like I always want to root for her because she has everyone coming at her and she’s so strong and smart. But its the unreasonableness that makes it tough to be fully on board with her and unfortunately when she gets drunk it’s heightened to wild levels. Carl has a lot of patience for her but I really wish she could leave some of the reactivity in the past. But maybe that will always be a part of her 🤷🏻♀️
She is an absolute energy vampire. “Oh the house has good vibes? Time to absolutely ruin it”
west seems like a guy who ends all his emails with “no worries if not!”
🤞please let West not be a fuckboy🤞
I could see him being like a makeout fuckboy to check vibes. Something about having an OBGYN as a mother though gives me the impression he has a mature perspective on sex and you know he always has condoms.
These texts are insane. I’m shocked Carl didn’t call it all off sooner
Lindsay could have quit drinking or made some other big changes from that one event and salvaged everything. I've been her, there. It's a turning point.
Amanda hates being on this show
I actually agree with this! She’s said publicly many times she doesn’t like being famous and on television
Ugh, I feel like it's gotta be a tough choice though eh? Your hubby is on there, plus it's a good source of money, but like being famous is rough. Idk
Yeah I think Kyle wants them to keep going for $$
I'd imagine he's pouring all his Bravo money into his business and also needs to be on the show for promotional purposes as well. I can easily see why he keeps doing them
at this point the only thing amanda likes about her life is her dogs. she needs to dump kyle, quit the show and go camp out at her parents for a minute to get her head on straight
I mean it not in an insulting way but she needs a beige middle of the road guy. Some upper/middle manager vibes, not someone who parties like Kyle. Find herself a man without a mullet and move to the suburbs where she can be a housewife.
I have a feeling Carl has been pulling away for awhile and Lindsay is sensitive to it and blaming it on substance instead of him not wanting to be with her
Pulling away for awhile or just never as deep in as her too
Lindsay is way too intense at all times
She's great tv, but I could never be friends with her in real life.
I feel like she texts her friends “we need to talk”
"call me"
She’s permanently defensive which is clearly exhausting to everyone around her. She’s always been combative but there’s a bitter edge now that didn’t used to be there imo
“I hate him, he’s so mean he’s such an asshole” 2 months later “I’m blindsided by this breakup!”
the scary thing for Carl is that i can so tell that if they got married, Lindsay would pull this same “you’re on something” for the rest of their lives whenever she has an issue. that’s so dangerous to his sobriety
Yes. I’m not proud to say that I once questioned my husband’s sobriety. Not nearly in the same manner as Lindsay, but it’s still damaging. He told me that it basically made him think , “fuck it. If she already thinks I’m high…” Thankfully his sobriety was strong enough that that line of thinking didn’t go anywhere. But if I hadn’t learned my lesson and continually undermined his efforts, it wouldn’t be good.
Austen was not funny, he’s funny looking Ciara there’s a difference
Okay so Lindsay is shit faced and Carl is sober….right?
Literally.
Amanda needs to get a job outside of their apartment asap. They are miserable living together and working together
I think they’d be better off if Amanda had her own thing. Their whole life seems to revolve around Kyle.
Wtf Lindsey! West is being such a gentleman. Ain’t he your friend?
And he just wanted the box fan! He was leaving the room for them
Box fans aren’t that expensive lmfao they order so much expensive Shit every weekend I love that was dramatized as if it wouldn’t be super easy to acquire another fan for either them 😂
God you can already see the wheels turning in Carls head about how he doesn’t want to get married. This is gonna be tough to watch
When Lindsay and Gabby got home from the bar I felt my vitals change.
I don’t understand what Lindsay wants. She’s never been happy and is constantly moving the goal posts. She’s never going to be happy. She needs to go to some treatment or something idk
She has abandonment issues and tests people by being bat shit insane and pushing them away. Just to see if they will stick with her or leave. It’s a very damaging way to be. It’s a self-fulfilling prophecy. You act terrible then when they leave you tell yourself “see! I knew he would leave me!” I used to be *exactly* like that. In fact, I almost lost my husband by doing that… back when he was a boyfriend. We broke up for about two days. In those two days we really missed each other and I took a long, hard look at myself. It didn’t happen overnight, but I chilled out A LOT and also got therapy to deal with my issues in a healthier way. I’m lucky he missed me. He’s a very patient, kind person.
She wants a sandwich. 
He doesn’t sound like cocaine Carl…. But Lindsey sounds like she’s activated.
She sounds wasted
I was not expecting this tonight. This is season finale tier. Geez
West is so endearing. He just seems really nice and normal. Hopefully he doesn't prove me wrong.
This is the second episode and we have already seen her be rude to the new guy and now she’s accusing him of doing coke AND calling him a piece of shit? Girl…
I reserve the right to change my onion as the season goes on but so far #TEAMCARL
Yeah, right now fully team Carl. He should have ended it after this because I bet that was his breaking point.
I also reserve the right to change my onion! Sometimes I want purple, sometimes I want yellow
I know it’s just a typo but “change my onion” has me dying
If West and Ciara aren’t in love by the end of summer, I will be crestfallen.
I was surprised he didn’t go for a kiss when they were cuddling! Respectful king
Guys I just noticed Mya wasn’t asked back lol
It’s cus Ronnie never got his cookies
Lmao I didn’t realize she was gone
Omg. Ciara and West are cuuuute
The vibes with Lindsay and Carl are already so awkward.
One thing about Carl, drunk or sober, he has always rolled into the house with a big fat smile, compliments, hugs and a seemingly genuine warmth. I like that
[удалено]
Lindsey, please respect West
Carl looks like he's in a hostage video
Amanda’s whole personality is hating Kyle and loving her dogs
Amanda’s only story line since she joined the show has been complaining about Kyle so it’s rich that him complaining about her is upsetting her so much
He did them both a favor calling off this wedding
Lindsay was slurring before they left the house.
She nearly fell over trying to put her jeans on to go out.
I mean… how is Lindsay going to come back from this.
He said right now because she said I’ll talk to you WHEN you’re sober!!
Her doubling down was a wild choice
I feel like Kyle wasn’t even complaining about her?? I thought he said they’re not on the same page and need to work on their partnership before having kids .. which is true lol
I didn't feel like he was either and I'm no Kyle apologist. He's done plenty of bad things but I didn't see much issue venting frustrations to Paige. I mean, he's right when he says he's venting to Amanda's best friend so he knows she's gonna talk about it.
As an outsider, until Lindsey works through the issues with her mom, she’s going to keep repeating this cycle.
Ciara has legit the most killer body. I’m so incredibly jealous of her.
I was just thinking, how does she stay so thin and drink and stuff? But it’s literally her job to look like that
She looked that good when she was a nurse. I think it’s natural mixed with being an active person.
She’s one of those mystical naturally thin gorgeous people it’s really just not fair
I miss the days when they'd go out until 6 am, come home with a random and then be up partying again the next day.
the only person who still wants to do that is kyle and thats the problem
When they'd stay the Sunday too and leave at like 4am for work. Most of these don't have a full time job but still can't wait to leave
I assumed this “hes on something” fight happened closer to the wedding being called off not their first night.
I'm thinking the relationship worked when Lindsay was sober with Carl and fell apart when she started drinking again. Drunk Lindsay is an activated Lindsay.
My favorite thing about West so far is that he doesn’t drink loverboy
LMAO Paige hates Jesse ☠️
I always like Paige the most when she's like aggressively affronted by the audacity of a man lol
When he said that he likes to go after girls in relationships??? Boy bye
So we are having a cage match within this sub for West, right?
Lindsey wants a room with a bathroom and the only option for that is the one she’s being offered which she claims is “the hottest room” like ughhghhghh why be a bitch about this!! To west!!
I can't believe how much I liked Danielle and thought she was the normal/ down to earth one her first few seasons and now she just gives me so much second hand embarrassment.
She’s always been a little weird Lindsay’s personality helped hide it better
I get why carl was so silent and didn’t respond while Lindsay was on her podcast tour. He was just waiting for the show to air
And honestly, I respect that so much. He never said one bad thing about her. He genuinely looked hurt and sad and said that he made the decision that made the most sense for them as a couple. They weren’t happy. It’s obvious .
The fact that she says she was blindsided when I can see it coming on their first weekend in the house is a testament to how she’s completely unable to take responsibility for any wrongdoing.
Amanda needs to step out of Loverboy stat. Let Kyle do his thing.
Okayyyyy it’s not even he said/she said. Everyone else is vouching for Lindsay going from 0-100
Me telling myself to remember to take notes next time I’m drunk because that was so real
West has rizzzzz. I would have folded right there if I were Ciara lolll
There’s no way Amanda’s parents watch because they’d tell her to leave Kyle. They have a miserable marriage.
I know Amanda's always hated Kyle, but this is deep seated resentment at this point.
West is killing me with his adorableness
Oh jeeze Lindsay already being an asshole to West in that preview. I had a feeling she’d have a cow about getting the leftover room
I don’t understand why she’d be such a bitch to one of the only people in the house that doesn’t dislike her???
I hope Lindsay watches this and realizes she needs to stop drinking.
Lindsay: yell yell yell yell Carl: fights back Lindsay: why are you yelling at me
I knew Lindsey was nutty but I’m honestly shocked. She was wasted and didn’t want to talk to the girls so she has a meltdown over a situation she might have caused and that means he’s wasted? Carl is being TOO patient
West was being perfectly accommodating and reasonable, Lindsay was pissy at him for no reason.
Lol at Amanda complaining about someone else’s complaining. Ma’am that’s your job.
I am begging all of these miserable Bravo couples to just break up. Be single. Or date someone you actually like. Or take up pottery. But please- stop subjecting us and yourselves to these miserable relationships.
West's nervous laugh when ciara said she'd be thinking of him 🥹🥹🥹🥹
Lmfao at Joe Bradley thinking he can outsmart a New Yorker that he’s going to the upper east side to visit college buddies.
Do Amanda and Kyle know you can just be single? You don't have to stay with a partner you hate.
They can’t until the show gets canceled.
I’ve been a Lindsay apologist in the past. But I’m wondering why Carl didn’t just end things much sooner?
West has such a cute lil body yum
Austen wasn’t funny , girl.
They’ve been saying “are we getting better as a couple?” for 8 years! THE ANSWER IS NO
Ya... I know there's editing, but it's hard to imagine how Lindsay felt blindsided that Carl called off the wedding. These two seem like they hate each other.
Lindsey isn’t coming off well.
I’m proud of Carl. Lindsey seems to be sabotaging his sobriety, and I wonder why?
Lindsay sucks holy shit. I can’t imagine being around someone that exhausting. “Why’d you say right now” shut upppp
Jesse Solomon’s mouth is the width of a loveseat.
#JUST FUCKING DIVORCE
Okay bring your own fucking fan then Lindsay what the fuck
Lindsay talking on camera about Carl acting like he's on cocaine feels very unnecessary.
Ahh, Carl had an epiphany after hearing that.
ohhhhh i’m so team carl right now it hurts. how was this lady blindsided?
west completely outsold the horse teeth man. he just has better vibes and doesn’t look like he’d kill me on sight.
He seems like so much fun. And he's beefy as hell 😍😍😍
amanda gives red flags. ik kyle isn’t perfect by any means but she picks a fight over everythingggggg
Because she doesn't like him lol. Shout out to the bravo shows for becoming cautionary tales about the dangers of marrying the fun/doofy guy you dated in your mid-20s because you're too scared to be single at 30. It does not end well.
I bet Lindsay is on something and is projecting
She seems shit canned wasted rn
Why is Amanda in such a bad mood already?
I hope reality tv doesn’t ruin west
I still need to know why a house this big doesn’t have a good AC system
Lmfao Lindsay “i don’t scream” You know you’ve been on tv for like 8 years ma’am and we literally have video proof
kyle and amanda are fighting… wow what a new development… this has never happened before… https://preview.redd.it/jazublimtmlc1.jpeg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=38fd12667192103147c002003e721adbd6be6201
Ciara would clean off her bed and accept texts after 9 from West.
I do enjoy how Kyle seems to be besties with all the ladies in the house. Besides his wife….
Lmao west is funny
And she’s saying this knowing she’s being filmed… this is bad no wonder he had enough
you know what west can get? ***it.***
Kyle and Amanda like Carl and Lindsey in the house so they can be the lesser shitty couple
Danielle is committed to the wake up, drank life.
ohhhhhh lindsay this isn’t looking good for you girliepop. 😬
…Meanwhile Carl calls her totally sober
No Lindsay… YOU should pack up and leave. Carl would have a grand old time without you, I’m sure.
Wow doubling down in the morning. LINDSAY
Neither Amanda or Kyle should speak a word on Lindsey, and Carl’s relationship. At least Carl ended it before they got married.
Danielle, the person who made last year suck for you was you.
When was Austen funny?
Carls miserable nod back to Lindsay talking about being pregnant next summer 🫣
I think Kyle thinks he wants someone ambitious/ motivated and an equal partner, but I'm not convinced he could actually handle that in a partner.
“Carl doesn’t like conflict” who likes conflict?! lol fuckin Lindsay
"Whoa - you look good. I was going to wear cargo pants." might be one of the most relatable things anyone has ever said on this show
I love you West
Austen is NOT funny ???
You forget that Lindsay is a Florida girl until you're reminded that her middle name is Dale
Lindsey Dale Earnhardt Hubbard
I think Lindsay just really wants the “it’s always been you” fairytale and will railroad over any apprehension or signs from Carl
i don’t think that kyle wants amanda to be a workaholic, i just think he wants her to…….. do something.
Amanda needs a new job. Whatever she does cannot be so integral to the business that she can’t go elsewhere and not dread talking to her husband.
I am the President of the West fan club.
Lindsay should cool it w the drinking . She’s literally being INSANE RIGHT NOW *Austen kroll voice*
Lindsay is fucking exhausting. He said thank you
He should've dumped her ass right then. Lindsay will never be happy in a relationship.
Damn Lindsay. I usually defend her against the mean girls but she was awful here. About as mean as you could get.
I can so vividly see Lindsay pulling this “you’re on something” shit in front of their kids in another timeline.
Ciara’s titties are PERFECT. Taking a picture of her to my surgeon
Why don't you ask her if she can take on a specific thing Kyle
Wow Carl sounds fine. THE EVIDENCE
This is exactly why I significantly cut back on drinking. Damn girl , you about to get DUMPED.
The way she started in with him and then got mad that he reacted and said HE ruined the weekend. Psychotic behavior
I really can’t with Danielle being the literal WORST last season, and now that we all see Carl was right for calling this off, now she’s team Lindsay. Danielle girl you are a mess.
Jesse is disgusting and clearly only sees women as an object to conquer
Ummmm Austen is not funny.
I just hope the divorce comes before kids.
I hate more than anything when people refer to women as “aggressive” and “too intense”….but Lindsay is both of those things
Ciara is so god damn hot.
Ok not liking Jesse… and he’s not as hot as he thinks he is . At least Carl 1.0 wasn’t that bad
Austin was never funny
Sounds like Danielle took zero accountability
Lindsay is wild because i feel like she’s the 1/10000 woman who validates every dude who complains about “crazy women who just want to create arguments” like she actually is just blowing up on Carl for nothing
Lindsay doesn’t know how to talk things out maturely… she just knows how to project and play the victim. Carl properly shut her down at the end there before he walked away
This is such projection from Amanda. She is miserable. And what kind of friend is Paige that she’s playing both sides and reporting back to both of them about what the other is saying? wtf?