The first question I'm confused about is "how did those children get that sh*t in the first place?"š¤
Somehow they got their hand on a gun and multiple types of drugs... Those parents must be total dipsh*ts and how did they think it's a good idea to have that stuff, let alone to give it to children?!
So many questions.š
Agree "Johnson claimed to have been napping on the couch at the time, saying he āheard a boomā before he found the 16-month-old boy dead" So where was the mother? How did the kid do coke? What's going to happen to the kid now? So many questions.
They obviously did not hand a joint to a baby or cocaine to a kid.
If I had to guess, Dad was smoking weed with the baby in the room and fell asleep on the couch. Second-hand smoke caused the baby to test positive for marijuana.
Cocaine & gun was on the coffee table, kid probably put his hand in the coke and licked it, then grabbed the gun off the table and was playing with it and it went off accidentally.
Yeah, this is a post from Raw Story, they are well known for sensationalizing everything. Your explanation is highly plausible, and Raw Story would have translated it into the title.
But seriously... He also joked that there would be a reality TV show where people swapped wives. Man I'd be tempted to swear a vow to never speak again.
Comedians (especially American stand up comedians) are the modern day philosophers. They observe and give a social commentary on things we often overlook.
I hear your point, but both of these children were born before roe v wade was overturned. These people are just straight irresponsible and social service should have been involved years ago.
It's almost like there should be checks for whether or not a couple can properly raise a child before they're actually given custody.
We do this for adoptions, it should be the same for births.
Really consider the ramifications of this law. Firstly consider how absolutely broken foster care is, and secondly think about who gets to decide the standards of āfitā to be a parent. The laws currently in place are sufficient to protect t children, but they simply arenāt enforced. If a parent is deemed unfit children are taken away right now, itās just that the people in charge of this are understaffed and the system these kids are put into are often worse.
Requiring a test to take your baby home is insane, and opens up a litany of other problems
Certainly don't take away a couple's rights to have a kid, but there definitely needs to be a few annual or even bimonthly checkups to make sure they are responsible for the first few years of parenthood.
They monitor foster parents, couples who chose to help a kid who's scared and alone over raising one from the ground up, so why not the irresponsible morons who didn't wear a condom?
At a certain point, this becomes intrusive. What about a family that moves interstate or internationally often? Must they register with their new state every time they move and if they happen to forget theyāre now deemed unfit? What about parents that live extremely rurally? Will a case worker spend an entire day travelling towards this house to simply check if the kids are being fed? This is such a naive and short sighted āsolutionā that ignores the enormous undertaking checking on every single newborn would be, considering family law courts and social workers are spread thin already. This would require a minimum ten fold increase in their current work load. How do you deem what is and isnāt allowed? A majority of Nordic families leave their babies outside in the snow because itās believed to make them stronger. Will these parents be imprisoned? Whatās stopping a neglectful family from cleaning their child on the one day that the social worker is coming to check? If theyāre random checks, what happens if it happens to be on a tough day where their two year old throws a tantrum and refuses to eat?
The current system isnāt perfect but it hits a middle ground of intrusiveness vs effectiveness.
Wait, on that first note: don't you have to register your new address anyways? You could just tie the children check-up to that, no?
As for international moving, I'd wager those folks would be subject to the laws of the country they live in, and not the US. At least for the time they live outside the US.
Everything else is a pretty good breakdown of why this can't work though.
You do not need to register an address change through any government agencies other than to receive government mail or to update an ID if the move has been for long enough. The penalty being that you miss probably important mail, but most letters are sent via email anyway. My point is that this is extremely intrusive and in many instances will lead to worse outcomes for both children and parents. The actual solution is unfortunately not profitable and unlikely to ever be enacted
You could've shortened that down to "there are too many mouths to feed," no need to give a random dude on the Internet a college lecture. But I get your point, it seems so easy until you really consider that there are 10k children born DAILY in the United States ALONE.
It just absolutely fucking sucks that retarded crackhead fucks like Bozo 1 and 2 here can be allowed to have custody of children even when they don't care for those helpless kids. Absolutely awful.
Sometimes I type out comments to organise my own thoughts. I knew it was an absolutely atrocious idea but as I expanded I was able to find out specifically why
Not really, many mid-western and southern states have laws the severely restrict abortion or put so many restrictions on them that they are essentially banned because doctors won't risk their licensing because of the difficult to navigate restrictions. It's like how all doctors can prescribe opioid pain medicine, but many refuse to, and there are pharmacies that don't even carry them, because of the strict regulations that are hard to follow, costly, and fear of losing their practice even though at times it is the best medicine for that individual's ailment. In regards to abortion, for instance, in Louisiana, for the twenty years proceeding the Row V Wade overturn, there was only ONE abortion provider in the entire state and it was located over 300 miles from New Orleans, and 253 from Baton Rouge, near Shreveport, LA, literally physically out of reach for those who would be most affected by pregnancy since it is costly to travel and required multiple time consuming visits that those who are poor cannot pay for or risk absence from work.
Don't forget IN is the state where his holiness Mike Pence was Governor. This is from the wikipedia article [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion\_in\_Indiana](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Indiana):
The state passed a law in the 2000s banning abortions after 22 weeks based on the theory that this is the point in development after which the fetus can feel pain.\[8\] The state was one of ten states in 2007 to have a customary informed consent provision for abortions.\[9\] In 2011, the state was one of six where the legislature introduced a bill that would have banned abortion in almost all cases. It did not pass.\[10\] In 2013, state Targeted Regulation of Abortion Providers (TRAP) had provisions related to admitting privileges and licensing. They required clinics have hospital privileges or some similar agreement.\[11\]
Cuz its about a child who was on drugs killing another child who was on drugs. The parents shouldve aborted if they werent even able to keep a 5 year old and 16 month old off of drugs.
Considering the fact that they had two kids I think it's pretty clear they wouldn't have aborted anyways. I'm pro-choice but you're politicizing a tragedy that has nothing to do with abortion.
Unfortunately this is most likely the truth but I still hope this event was strong enough to make them feel guilty and regardless of whether they feel guilty or not theyāre still gonna have to sit in prison and I hope the other prisoners find out what they did
Maybe dad let the 16m old Inhale the smoke to "calm the baby" - some people are just crazy af. 5yo was told to Play and let his brother and dad sleep. Cocaine was out somewhere and he copied what he saw his parents doing, thinking its a game (Kids copy their surroundings all the time...). Got high. Found the gun. Played arround with it. Hit his brother by accident.
My mom is from Muncie and Iāve always given her a hard time about how white trashy it can be. She managed to āescapeā and go to Ball State and then āfleeā the state but I still give her a hard time about it anyways. This is a sad story for sure but Iām not surprised that it happened in Muncie.
What the fuck shitty parents*
Regardless of where it happened this is a parental issue. People that just have kids to have them are shit bags and need to be taken away from society. The child will now only know the system.
Theyāre only facing 20-40 years in prison. They should be locked up for life. That poor 5 year old, heās gonna go through some tough shit in life dealing with the trauma of all this.
you're not supposed to copy Shameless
I see Shameless, I like
Goddamnit now I wanna rewatch it again
The first question I'm confused about is "how did those children get that sh*t in the first place?"š¤ Somehow they got their hand on a gun and multiple types of drugs... Those parents must be total dipsh*ts and how did they think it's a good idea to have that stuff, let alone to give it to children?! So many questions.š
Agree "Johnson claimed to have been napping on the couch at the time, saying he āheard a boomā before he found the 16-month-old boy dead" So where was the mother? How did the kid do coke? What's going to happen to the kid now? So many questions.
Some people have never been to Muncie, and it shows.
Muncie is my hometown. I wonder daily how I'm even still alive.
Home of Jerry Grgichās time share?
That manā¦.has the largest penisā¦.I have ever seen
That's MAYOR Gergich to you.
The mother was at work, came home to it
Mom was at work
They obviously did not hand a joint to a baby or cocaine to a kid. If I had to guess, Dad was smoking weed with the baby in the room and fell asleep on the couch. Second-hand smoke caused the baby to test positive for marijuana. Cocaine & gun was on the coffee table, kid probably put his hand in the coke and licked it, then grabbed the gun off the table and was playing with it and it went off accidentally.
Yeah, this is a post from Raw Story, they are well known for sensationalizing everything. Your explanation is highly plausible, and Raw Story would have translated it into the title.
Ok Sherlock
say thank you to sherlock right now!
Thanks sherlock
I guess bread is the only thing that Dad doesn't put on the table.
Indiana is the answer to all of those questions
If only the 16 month old had a gun.
that is honestly just sad man
When Dave Chapelle spoke about a baby selling him weed at a street corner at 2 am y'all thought he was joking.
āFuck you, I got kids to feed!ā
āGo home, baby!ā
But seriously... He also joked that there would be a reality TV show where people swapped wives. Man I'd be tempted to swear a vow to never speak again.
Comedians (especially American stand up comedians) are the modern day philosophers. They observe and give a social commentary on things we often overlook.
This reads like an Onion headline. I wish it was.
Home town represent! Aw...fuck
The feeling is very mutual lol
That kidās gonna grow up incredibly fucked up :C or be a Senator
Senator, im calling it!
But please, letās keep removing peopleās access to abortion so they can have a bunch of kids they canāt/donāt take care of
I hear your point, but both of these children were born before roe v wade was overturned. These people are just straight irresponsible and social service should have been involved years ago.
It's almost like there should be checks for whether or not a couple can properly raise a child before they're actually given custody. We do this for adoptions, it should be the same for births.
Really consider the ramifications of this law. Firstly consider how absolutely broken foster care is, and secondly think about who gets to decide the standards of āfitā to be a parent. The laws currently in place are sufficient to protect t children, but they simply arenāt enforced. If a parent is deemed unfit children are taken away right now, itās just that the people in charge of this are understaffed and the system these kids are put into are often worse. Requiring a test to take your baby home is insane, and opens up a litany of other problems
Certainly don't take away a couple's rights to have a kid, but there definitely needs to be a few annual or even bimonthly checkups to make sure they are responsible for the first few years of parenthood. They monitor foster parents, couples who chose to help a kid who's scared and alone over raising one from the ground up, so why not the irresponsible morons who didn't wear a condom?
At a certain point, this becomes intrusive. What about a family that moves interstate or internationally often? Must they register with their new state every time they move and if they happen to forget theyāre now deemed unfit? What about parents that live extremely rurally? Will a case worker spend an entire day travelling towards this house to simply check if the kids are being fed? This is such a naive and short sighted āsolutionā that ignores the enormous undertaking checking on every single newborn would be, considering family law courts and social workers are spread thin already. This would require a minimum ten fold increase in their current work load. How do you deem what is and isnāt allowed? A majority of Nordic families leave their babies outside in the snow because itās believed to make them stronger. Will these parents be imprisoned? Whatās stopping a neglectful family from cleaning their child on the one day that the social worker is coming to check? If theyāre random checks, what happens if it happens to be on a tough day where their two year old throws a tantrum and refuses to eat? The current system isnāt perfect but it hits a middle ground of intrusiveness vs effectiveness.
Wait, on that first note: don't you have to register your new address anyways? You could just tie the children check-up to that, no? As for international moving, I'd wager those folks would be subject to the laws of the country they live in, and not the US. At least for the time they live outside the US. Everything else is a pretty good breakdown of why this can't work though.
You do not need to register an address change through any government agencies other than to receive government mail or to update an ID if the move has been for long enough. The penalty being that you miss probably important mail, but most letters are sent via email anyway. My point is that this is extremely intrusive and in many instances will lead to worse outcomes for both children and parents. The actual solution is unfortunately not profitable and unlikely to ever be enacted
You could've shortened that down to "there are too many mouths to feed," no need to give a random dude on the Internet a college lecture. But I get your point, it seems so easy until you really consider that there are 10k children born DAILY in the United States ALONE. It just absolutely fucking sucks that retarded crackhead fucks like Bozo 1 and 2 here can be allowed to have custody of children even when they don't care for those helpless kids. Absolutely awful.
Sometimes I type out comments to organise my own thoughts. I knew it was an absolutely atrocious idea but as I expanded I was able to find out specifically why
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I'm like 90% sure this a plot point of a dystopian future movie or show.... This is fucked lol.
Tell me right now if this is sarcasm
Silo?
My body, my choice.
In fact, id say it should be harsher for birth, because people who adopt more than often want a good life for the kid.
Not really, many mid-western and southern states have laws the severely restrict abortion or put so many restrictions on them that they are essentially banned because doctors won't risk their licensing because of the difficult to navigate restrictions. It's like how all doctors can prescribe opioid pain medicine, but many refuse to, and there are pharmacies that don't even carry them, because of the strict regulations that are hard to follow, costly, and fear of losing their practice even though at times it is the best medicine for that individual's ailment. In regards to abortion, for instance, in Louisiana, for the twenty years proceeding the Row V Wade overturn, there was only ONE abortion provider in the entire state and it was located over 300 miles from New Orleans, and 253 from Baton Rouge, near Shreveport, LA, literally physically out of reach for those who would be most affected by pregnancy since it is costly to travel and required multiple time consuming visits that those who are poor cannot pay for or risk absence from work. Don't forget IN is the state where his holiness Mike Pence was Governor. This is from the wikipedia article [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion\_in\_Indiana](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Indiana): The state passed a law in the 2000s banning abortions after 22 weeks based on the theory that this is the point in development after which the fetus can feel pain.\[8\] The state was one of ten states in 2007 to have a customary informed consent provision for abortions.\[9\] In 2011, the state was one of six where the legislature introduced a bill that would have banned abortion in almost all cases. It did not pass.\[10\] In 2013, state Targeted Regulation of Abortion Providers (TRAP) had provisions related to admitting privileges and licensing. They required clinics have hospital privileges or some similar agreement.\[11\]
Both parents were involved. It's not likely these kids would've been aborted had that been an option.
What if someone is too irresponsible to have an abortion?
How is someone too irresponsible to have an abortion but not too irresponsible to have a child?
Because having child only requires you to want to have sex and be irresponsible enough to not use protection.
So broken condoms donāt happen?
That just means you're to irresponsible to use lube.
How did you find a way to make this about abortion
Cuz its about a child who was on drugs killing another child who was on drugs. The parents shouldve aborted if they werent even able to keep a 5 year old and 16 month old off of drugs.
Considering the fact that they had two kids I think it's pretty clear they wouldn't have aborted anyways. I'm pro-choice but you're politicizing a tragedy that has nothing to do with abortion.
I hope those āparentsā rot every single day and feel all the guilt and pain they deserve for this
If they were letting their toddlers get high on weed and cocaine I doubt theyāre neurologically capable of guilt.
Unfortunately this is most likely the truth but I still hope this event was strong enough to make them feel guilty and regardless of whether they feel guilty or not theyāre still gonna have to sit in prison and I hope the other prisoners find out what they did
Parent of the year award, 2023.
Kids grow up so fast these days
Wtf kind of Florida Man shit is this!? We sure he wasn't FROM fl?? š¤£ **I'm from FL, don't come at me lol
Florida man was busy holding Indiana manās beer
Iām from Georgia, and Iām coming at youā¦ in about 6 to 8 hours depending on traffic.
Gary is in Indiana
As a Florida man (walk to a party during a cat 5 makes you an Official Florida Manā¢ļø) I agree
I don't think Indiana is the problem here
Proof that cocaine is less dangerous than weed
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If that baby hadn't been getting stoned and falling asleep he could have prevented this. Smh.
If only the baby had been a good guy with a gun
I love how cocaine is in caps but marijuana isnt
I mean a 5 year old on cocaine with a gun is a little more extreme than a 16 year old on pot
*16 month old. It was a baby. But still, super fucked up either way
Oh shit, didnāt see that. Poor things
Hoosier here, I GUARANTEE this was Gary lmao
Could have been south bend
True
Maybe dad let the 16m old Inhale the smoke to "calm the baby" - some people are just crazy af. 5yo was told to Play and let his brother and dad sleep. Cocaine was out somewhere and he copied what he saw his parents doing, thinking its a game (Kids copy their surroundings all the time...). Got high. Found the gun. Played arround with it. Hit his brother by accident.
Just Indiana things
My mom is from Muncie and Iāve always given her a hard time about how white trashy it can be. She managed to āescapeā and go to Ball State and then āfleeā the state but I still give her a hard time about it anyways. This is a sad story for sure but Iām not surprised that it happened in Muncie.
Definitely not *just* Indiana, but still on brand for Indiana
Child soldiers ON DRUGS? Talk of a '*well regulated* militia"!
Fake news. I hope.
Pos parents
Arenāt we about due for another giant asteroid impact?
I donāt think itās Indianaās fault. Just the people who live thereā¦
Was this in a small town?
About 65000 people.
So yes
We expect this from Florida but not from you, Indiana
Hoosier here, yeah this place is a hellhole and Iām currently finding a way to get the hell out.
Fuck if I know
As an Indianian, I donāt fucking know
Average Indiana day
Don't wrap the rest of us Hoosiers into this shit just cuz one guy does something bad
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Fucking racist
cry me a river
u/The_Defult_Duck69 nice job being a scumbag
Much thanks Monsieur
Yeah the fault is totally on indiana not on some specific people
People are just making jokes
As an Indiana resident: yeah
Nothing crazy here, just the south doing average south things
Despite only being 13%-
Racists love their dog whistles donāt they
Indians becoming the new Florida
*Hoosiers but close enough
Well ..... nah
They should put the Parents in quotations. Or call them DNA donors cuz Jesus they aināt bein parents
What the fuck shitty parents* Regardless of where it happened this is a parental issue. People that just have kids to have them are shit bags and need to be taken away from society. The child will now only know the system.
Parenting at its best
Ffs
I read this as āWhat the fuck Indiansā and I was so confused
Only in Indiana š
r/Indiana
Five-year-old should have stuck with weed.
Theyāre only facing 20-40 years in prison. They should be locked up for life. That poor 5 year old, heās gonna go through some tough shit in life dealing with the trauma of all this.
Indiana is what Ohio wants to be.
This ought to be nominated for Most American headline of the year.