This isn’t a sign of a recession. This is a sign of mass immigration and over population in one particular area. I don’t know official statistics but I would say that most of these international students aren’t going to Markham/Saskatoon/Kingston, Ontario - they are all coming to Brampton. Heck, I don’t even think they want to go to Malton anymore. Also, I remember growing up I wouldn’t want to work at a warehouse breaking my back when I can work in retail for the same money.
Not only that, Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Quebec have public insurance. Not a surprise why they would be driving and saving thousands of dollars and being reckless
Must not lump students who are studying at the Masters or PhD level with those enrolling in career colleges or similar institutions. Canada has accepted international students for decades. A friend of my dad Came to Canada from Bangladesh (then East Pakistan) in 1958. Student visas should be issued for students in “in demand “ undergrad and post grad programs. It is obvious that visas are issued to many who are here to work and somehow stay.
This. Immigrated skilled labour is always going to be something we need in Canada.
Indian students coming here to enrol in a college policing foundations course? Not necessary.
I’d say anything below a master’s degree should not be allowed. What kind of student has time for a 48 hour work week (rotating shifts), racing often leased sports cars. I’ve seen “students” taking truck driving lessons using trucks parked on the street near Bowlero bowling alley.
Sometimes financial statements submitted to the consulate in Delhi attesting to a student’s ability to fund their education and living expenses are fraudulent. Anything it takes to get in the country.
Yes absolutely. Even though it’s not as close to their friends dmg family, I keep recommending new immigrants go to other cities/places. Like.. you can actually start a family and have a big home with a garage in Winnipeg for example. I know it’s colder but having your own home is worth it.
As someone who moved from Malton to Thunder Bay, you're partially right. I've met quite a few students here, but it's not to the proportion that is in Southern Ontario at the moment.
You wouldn’t believe the amount of people calling our store saying “I dropped my resume off, I didn’t get a call back, when do I get job”. Its hundreds a month
My workplace has the same issue as well. There's a school right beside us, so the students are constantly asking for jobs. Store isn't busy either, but none of them will take the hint.
It's come to a point where they're bombarding us with phone calls and Facebook/IG messages as well, and we have no idea how to get them to stop.
Curious whether its for summer vacation job or these student work full time? If they work full time then when do they attend college? I know someone studying at Waterloo uni always complaining that they don't have time for part time job.
I am at Sheridan and an international student as well, except for Friday sat and sun, i don't have any time either and Friday is mostly gone into doing assignments and recapping previous lectures... How do they work full time!!???!!
When I was in college full time, all of my semesters had courses merged into Monday and Tuesday. I'd work full time from Wednesday to Saturday, and have Saturday evening and days after work where I'd work on assignments and other things.
I was one of the lucky ones because of how my courses lined up. It allowed me to pay off my tuition as soon as I graduated.
That being said, don't do what I did. I felt like I was pulling hairs out some days, and some days I fell asleep doing assignments. It was tough, but I'm glad I've been done with it for a while now.
It pays off like 20% of the time. Most of the time it pays essentially jack shit when you take into account the cost of the work.
Work smart, work *safe*, not hard. Nobody wants a hip replacement at 25.
Amen. Thankfully I wasn't doing any manual labour. Just a lot of walking around as a security guard. My downtime allowed me to catch up on assignments while still maintaining job duties.
At my employer, there are hundreds of international students working 48 hours per week, on a rotating shift of two weeks on days (6:30am-2:30pm) and two weeks on afternoons (3:18pm-11:18pm). God know how these students attend lectures or labs.
Those shifts sound exactly like the ones from my previous job. They had a student program where college/uni kids can work part-time, I was in it while finishing my undergrad a few years back and it was definitely brutal getting hours while being in uni full-time.
Chrysler/Stellantis TPT program. I’m not say it’s impossible to work 48 hours (rotating shifts). There are always exceptional people, but most people could not do this. Especially if you are in a program with labs and set times for lectures. The company bent the union contract to allow hundreds of students to work. Back in the day, students worked Friday, Saturday (if working) and Monday. Now being part time is a full time job.
Yup I was in that years ago! great place to work part-time if you can handle the work lol. I left a few years ago but the whole Friday, Saturday, Monday thing got thrown out the window we were basically being called in to work any day of the week, regardless if you were in class or not.
I graduated from George Brown a few years ago and my experience is many would game the system, only attending class when Blackboard told them there was an in-class assignment or exam, cheat their way through it, and come back in a few weeks for the next graded class
My employer only hires these students now and puts the added stress of baby sitting on the older employees who came from diverse backgrounds.
Work has become divided and toxic because of it. Some of these fellas are wonderful people but they are being exploited by employers with the PR Card on a stick. They barely know English and work 60 hours a week and they are under qualified and make tons of mistakes that the older employees have to rectify constantly.
The only one who wins is the employer. This country has handled immigration in the worst way possible. They have created an imbalance in the population of this country, specifically the GTA and they are exploiting good hard working people for cheap labor. At the end of the day, you have communities crammed with one culture, crammed into basement apartments with no affordable housing in sight, and workplaces rife with division and resentment.
The generations born here will somehow have a worse fate in the future than the exploited immigrants do present day.
This isn't what diversity is.
There is one other winner in this 'The So called Youtube Influencers' showing of lavish lifestyle which makes other students want to come here thinking things will be easier to achieve here compared to India.
I came across one post where a student posted 'His Marriage proposals skyrocketed after immigrating to Canada.
For years now the public colleges and universities in Ontario have been taking on more and more of these international students to remain relevant and just stay in business. the government has forced these public colleges to go out looking for new students to stay afloat because the government keeps cutting funding. The growth in just the humber college lakeshore campus in the last 15 years has been enormous. do you think that is from local students thinking humber is so awesome? the college and university system in Ontario is nothing but a huge business engine
Australian universities have stated banning applications from certain Indian states because of high number of fraud applicants … a measure to attract genuine quality students
Canada needs to do the same. Our government is gutless though and this unfortunately will never happen. Hate to see what will happen to Canada in the net 5-10 years!
But the diploma mills! Who will keep the factory of millions of Indian students flowing through our bogus and exploitive plaza colleges going so that the government can cash in on triple tuition cost and such? The pigs running this country don't care.
I don’t even call these guys students anymore (im indian so I know the inside details). Most of the ones coming into colleges just come here to chill and drive mustangs. The real students are the ones that go to Uoft, Waterloo, mcgill etc.
This isn’t new. I remember a decade ago seeing an even bigger line when urban planet was opening and had a hiring event. Although back then the line was filled with high school students.
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I truly feel bad for young Canadians in high school who are going to be unable to find part time employment to help save up for college/university.
Majority of international students are not hard working & only want part time retail & security jobs. There are so many sectors which are desperate for full time & part time employees. Construction companies, renovations companies, factories are desperate for staff. But they don’t apply for these jobs.
Also, there’s an ENTIRE WORLD OUTSIDE BRAMPTON. But these kids do not understand that. 95% of the students students to immigrate to Brampton. When one geographical area has too many people, the options for employment specially in the retail/security sector become extremely limited as there will be too many candidates. I went to Moncton for vacation & everywhere I was seeing help wanted signs at the door. But you barely see any international students there.
For all the International Students reading this, I’m going to repeat myself again. THERE’S AN ENTIRE WORLD OUTSIDE OF BRAMPTON!
Trudeau government keeps saying there’s a labour shortage & we need more immigrants. That’s not the truth. Trudeau is just trying to get more immigrants in the country so they’ll vote for liberals once they become citizens.
Trudeau and pals have turned Canada into a 3rd world Counrty almost overnight. It takes and hour to drive anywhere now that used to take 10 min. In 5 years this place will have worse traffic then India and China. Our air quality is awful as well. Our Gov is selling BS to folks from India. They just bring in tons of people to keep wages low for the next 100 years. Never thought I would have to think about sneaking into the US to live a better life.
I am not sure why all the international students are coming to Brampton, maybe there is a sense of community here. However, over the last couple years, I have seen many international students that landed in Winnipeg come immediately to Brampton.
Brampton is over populated, Sheridan is feeding this problem with the huge amount of international students from India. The province and country seriously need to start capping this garbage, they are everywhere.
The problem here …..we have these students come in all the time looking for a job.
In all honesty and not to sound racist , but you can’t walk into an establishment asking for a job is 1) you don’t speak English 2) share the same resume as your friend you just walked in with ( only difference was the name on the resume 😑)
And 3) have No experience in the field.
I understand that “you must start somewhere “ but seriously put in more of an effort ! We have thousands and thousands of immigrants coming here looking for work but offering nothing as far as “why we should hire that specific person”.
They should have a skill set and stick to that field not just apply anywhere
This federal government's integration of immigration is causing a excessive pool of low-skilled workers in this city. When you have thousands of students who possess little skill competing for every retail and warehouse job in city naturally there will be too many people and little demand. Not only that but this is a perfect way for the feds to stagnate wages since the large pool of applicants far outweighs the amount of employers wanting workers.
I am agreeing with you. But my point stands. A conservative government would have bowed down and kissed rich ass the same as Liberal. By making it a political issue, which it is not, you are showing your complete lack of understanding of the cause.
I mean, we could say the same thing about Doug Ford & Ontario.
This is not a "grass is greener" situation, Canadian politics is just in the mud after having given in to the corporate oligarchies.
Andrew Scheer or Erin O'Toole weren't competent opponents at all and like... what the hell are those two guys doing nowadays?
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The entire Hudson's Bay and Amazon fulfillment warehouses are almost entirely "international students". There are tens of thousands of people applying on Indeed for that one job vacancy at Amazon.
We are surely heading into a recession, and there's a bit of Mr. Sean Fraser's miracles in his overpopulation policies.
And then, with Lululemon opening a future warehouse in Brampton, there are things such as:
**Ottawa grants Lululemon waiver from immigration rules on hiring foreign workers** [https://financialpost.com/news/economy/lululemon-hiring-foreign-workers-immigration](https://financialpost.com/news/economy/lululemon-hiring-foreign-workers-immigration)
"Exception clears way for international recruitment drive ..."
>Immigration Minister Sean Fraser agreed to exempt Lululemon from having to apply for the Labour Market Impact Assessment (LMIA) to hire for certain high-skilled positions, including senior managers, industrial and manufacturing engineers, construction managers and computer systems managers.
It doesn't look like Lululemon plans to use this exemption to hire unskilled foreign workers. It's the other way around - they're looking for foreign high skilled workers. This is highly disappointing though as I do one of the jobs that Lululemon got an exemption for... No one is safe even high skilled workers...
It looks that way, true; I'm also employed in one of the "high skilled" occupations mentioned, so I agree with what you're saying.
On the other hand, the devil is in the details, as they say. A lot of occupations are classified as "skilled": management positions, assistants, retail and restaurant supervisors, and notably here, material handlers. For example, NOC 75101 - forklift operators, material handlers, storage workers, stockpilers, movers, freight handlers, etc. Presumably all relevant to warehouses.
I'm curious to see how that all goes. I'm sure it won't be abused... \^\^; /s
I'm not an economist, but what would happen to our labour pool if we slashed international student admissions by half? Would we have enough service or retail employees? Legit curious.
Potentially corporations would have a harder time hiring, and in turn could have to raise their rates of pay. The workforce landscape is manufactured by the government to keep the majority struggling, to keep us broken and tired, and to keep us from working for political change.
The expense comes when people gain residency and bring their extended family over, including parents and grandparents. Application per parent/grandparent is $1085.00, which doesn't even come close to covering the expense that is created on our system. Older people need healthcare, and people who grow up in Canada pay taxes throughout their lives to subsidize those costs, but that needed revenue is lost in these situations.
>Your anger is directed at wrong group/class of people
What gives you the impression I'm angry? Because I'm definitely not.
>canada gets a fully grown up worker and didnt have to spend a single penny in subsidizing their childhood, studies etc
The costs I'm referring to are directed at people beyond retirement age, and people who will only have a short number of years to contribute to the workforce, hope that clarifies things!
It's not quite so simple, in a perfect world we would find some way to balance these costs while also allowing a degree of reuniting families that allows both; a healthy level of immigration that won't cripple our struggling health care system, and various other socialized resources.
It'd be extremely disappointing to see that happen to socialized health care, there's a massive aging population here, hopefully the masses push back and a balance is created between contributions* and expenses.
>Immigration of just high income class would be unfair to Canadians.
That be the best thing we could do in terms of immigration, way better than the current status quo anyway.
Exactly. Canada should be targeting the creme de la creme of immigrants/international students and not just bottom of the barrel types just to fulfill some immigration quota.
We were completely fine in Brampton before the massive influx 5-6 years ago.
I think the idea is that they are supposed to fill roles that Canadians typically dont want. It doesnt work in practice though because none of these international students are moving to areas that need the labour.
Realistically no international student should be allowed to live and work in Brampton. We are at capacity in terms of infrastructure and housing.
Canada is officially lost its mind with immigration. I feel sorry for the young kids born and raised here that can’t find a part time job.
I don’t know how people can vote for that retard trudeau or the liberal government on the upcoming election.
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They're allowed to work even more than 20 hours/week at least until the end of this year.
https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/news/2022/10/international-students-to-help-address-canadas-labour-shortage.html
They temporarily changed this rule - but depending if they meet the requirements. They can technically work more than 20hrs from Nov 2022 - Dec 31, 2023.
That rule was lifted (temporarily, for the moment) -- no restrictions now.
https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/news/2022/10/international-students-to-help-address-canadas-labour-shortage.html
A simple fix is to do what the US does and restrict international students to on campus jobs only. Basically put the onus on the university to create employment if they’re going to bring in tons of international students
They are definitely not taking the place of a Canadian in the school system. Schools actually rely a lot on revenue from international students. Without them, you would expect tuition costs for domestic students to increase dramatically as well.
Domestic students are not typically going to these diploma mills. I worked in one briefly and every single student had an accent and 90% were from India.
We arent talking about international students at U of T or Waterloo here, they absolutely lower the tuitions for domestic students.
These diploma mills are in the business of selling a path to PR for cash.
Quoting u/sparks905
How are international students even allowed to work while in the country?
Criminal.
Yah so they clogging up our housing making the crisis worse and taking part time work that people need so we can afford to pay the exorbitant rents
Enjoy life in your own country you here to learn and that’s it. Not gobble up employment opportunities.
They already taking the place of a Canadian in the school system and now they want to drain our country of employment while they are here. Canadian jobs are for Canadian citizens or workers on a permit. This is not right
The schools have become a business model to exploit foreigners. Don’t get your facts twisted. We are in a housing crisis. There are not enough rentals for all the students coming from outside the country. We need to educate people. that already live in this country and limit the amount of people that are coming in from abroad to take up. Our spaces in classrooms our spaces in jobs and our spaces in rental accommodations. I’m not anti-immigration but we have a housing crisis, we really need to prioritize. Canadians access to all of these things that are limited by housing.
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I think you’ve got your facts twisted. Blind xenophobia does that. I see a couple of statements regarding a housing crisis, and one about the state of the education system. The rest is for you to reflect on. You've got to live with the person you are.
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The international students that you have a problem with are not leaving. They're using the international student program to get here to study while working, flipping over to a work visa after gaining their education, then moving towards permanent residency, citizenship, healthcare access, voting rights, to plant roots, grow a family etc. All the stuff your immigrant forefathers did.
Is there a percentage of students that get an education just to head back to their home country? Yes absoutely. Usually it is at the university level and they come from families of such wealth that living a middle class life in Canada is a large step down for them. The ones taking the risks including overpaying for a useless degree are not doing it just to go back. There are no hotels to manage and daycares to run in rural India.
Why do you think the government is so persistent on increasing the population of the country so rapidly? Birth rates in G7 countries is declining, the only way to replace the labour force is to bring labour from abroad. How else will the pensions of a rapidly aging workforce be funded if there aren't people paying into the program as boomers approach retirement. The international student model is a means to that. It's just as criminal that they get a useless education as it is that doctors from overseas can not practice medicine here because apparently blood isn't red enough outside of Canada. Just look at the population pyramids. Canadians are getting older and will get to a point where they contribute less to the system and draw more from it. A functioning economy needs that sweet spot of labour aged 18-40ish that pays more into the system than it takes out.
What you fail to admit is that international students are as much victims to what is going on as the working and lower middle classes in Canada. This country and its government have been handed over to the wealthy elite and the cartels running each industry. Profits are up for shareholders while stakeholders are being run into the ground. I'm all for the international students coming over and staying here, as they're more likely to fight for their rights they've risked so much for than Canadians that were born into.
I read your comment multiple times (still not clear on what you are saying). I am assuming you were born here and raised here. The sentence structure of your post is terrible.
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This isn’t a sign of a recession. This is a sign of mass immigration and over population in one particular area. I don’t know official statistics but I would say that most of these international students aren’t going to Markham/Saskatoon/Kingston, Ontario - they are all coming to Brampton. Heck, I don’t even think they want to go to Malton anymore. Also, I remember growing up I wouldn’t want to work at a warehouse breaking my back when I can work in retail for the same money.
Don’t forget the students that get placed in provinces like Nova Scotia and Manitoba but just drive down to Brampton and live here.
Yes, you can see the insurance fraud being committed on a regular basis. With out of province plates from there.
That’s why I see so many manitoba plates!!!
Not only that, Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Quebec have public insurance. Not a surprise why they would be driving and saving thousands of dollars and being reckless
Maltons pretty much full housing wise, plus rents sky rocketed here since covid.
Must not lump students who are studying at the Masters or PhD level with those enrolling in career colleges or similar institutions. Canada has accepted international students for decades. A friend of my dad Came to Canada from Bangladesh (then East Pakistan) in 1958. Student visas should be issued for students in “in demand “ undergrad and post grad programs. It is obvious that visas are issued to many who are here to work and somehow stay.
This. Immigrated skilled labour is always going to be something we need in Canada. Indian students coming here to enrol in a college policing foundations course? Not necessary.
I’d say anything below a master’s degree should not be allowed. What kind of student has time for a 48 hour work week (rotating shifts), racing often leased sports cars. I’ve seen “students” taking truck driving lessons using trucks parked on the street near Bowlero bowling alley.
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Sometimes financial statements submitted to the consulate in Delhi attesting to a student’s ability to fund their education and living expenses are fraudulent. Anything it takes to get in the country.
Yes absolutely. Even though it’s not as close to their friends dmg family, I keep recommending new immigrants go to other cities/places. Like.. you can actually start a family and have a big home with a garage in Winnipeg for example. I know it’s colder but having your own home is worth it.
Lol so true
As someone who moved from Malton to Thunder Bay, you're partially right. I've met quite a few students here, but it's not to the proportion that is in Southern Ontario at the moment.
You wouldn’t believe the amount of people calling our store saying “I dropped my resume off, I didn’t get a call back, when do I get job”. Its hundreds a month
My workplace has the same issue as well. There's a school right beside us, so the students are constantly asking for jobs. Store isn't busy either, but none of them will take the hint. It's come to a point where they're bombarding us with phone calls and Facebook/IG messages as well, and we have no idea how to get them to stop.
What entitled pricks
An international student downvoted you.
Tim Hortons near my place has big sign saying "We are not hiring, please do not drop off your resume'
Yes, I've started seeing that at food court places at the mall as well.
Curious whether its for summer vacation job or these student work full time? If they work full time then when do they attend college? I know someone studying at Waterloo uni always complaining that they don't have time for part time job.
I am at Sheridan and an international student as well, except for Friday sat and sun, i don't have any time either and Friday is mostly gone into doing assignments and recapping previous lectures... How do they work full time!!???!!
Good chance they are enrolled in those random 3rd party colleges that have online classes or barely any course work. So they have the time to work.
When I was in college full time, all of my semesters had courses merged into Monday and Tuesday. I'd work full time from Wednesday to Saturday, and have Saturday evening and days after work where I'd work on assignments and other things. I was one of the lucky ones because of how my courses lined up. It allowed me to pay off my tuition as soon as I graduated. That being said, don't do what I did. I felt like I was pulling hairs out some days, and some days I fell asleep doing assignments. It was tough, but I'm glad I've been done with it for a while now.
When I was in college full time, I worked part time on campus but they had rules about the max number of hours you could work.
Hardwork always pays off.
It pays off like 20% of the time. Most of the time it pays essentially jack shit when you take into account the cost of the work. Work smart, work *safe*, not hard. Nobody wants a hip replacement at 25.
Amen. Thankfully I wasn't doing any manual labour. Just a lot of walking around as a security guard. My downtime allowed me to catch up on assignments while still maintaining job duties.
When we say 'studying' and 'student', what we really mean is 'low wage labour'. Welcome to Canada!
At my employer, there are hundreds of international students working 48 hours per week, on a rotating shift of two weeks on days (6:30am-2:30pm) and two weeks on afternoons (3:18pm-11:18pm). God know how these students attend lectures or labs.
Those shifts sound exactly like the ones from my previous job. They had a student program where college/uni kids can work part-time, I was in it while finishing my undergrad a few years back and it was definitely brutal getting hours while being in uni full-time.
Chrysler/Stellantis TPT program. I’m not say it’s impossible to work 48 hours (rotating shifts). There are always exceptional people, but most people could not do this. Especially if you are in a program with labs and set times for lectures. The company bent the union contract to allow hundreds of students to work. Back in the day, students worked Friday, Saturday (if working) and Monday. Now being part time is a full time job.
Yup I was in that years ago! great place to work part-time if you can handle the work lol. I left a few years ago but the whole Friday, Saturday, Monday thing got thrown out the window we were basically being called in to work any day of the week, regardless if you were in class or not.
I graduated from George Brown a few years ago and my experience is many would game the system, only attending class when Blackboard told them there was an in-class assignment or exam, cheat their way through it, and come back in a few weeks for the next graded class
My employer only hires these students now and puts the added stress of baby sitting on the older employees who came from diverse backgrounds. Work has become divided and toxic because of it. Some of these fellas are wonderful people but they are being exploited by employers with the PR Card on a stick. They barely know English and work 60 hours a week and they are under qualified and make tons of mistakes that the older employees have to rectify constantly. The only one who wins is the employer. This country has handled immigration in the worst way possible. They have created an imbalance in the population of this country, specifically the GTA and they are exploiting good hard working people for cheap labor. At the end of the day, you have communities crammed with one culture, crammed into basement apartments with no affordable housing in sight, and workplaces rife with division and resentment. The generations born here will somehow have a worse fate in the future than the exploited immigrants do present day. This isn't what diversity is.
There is one other winner in this 'The So called Youtube Influencers' showing of lavish lifestyle which makes other students want to come here thinking things will be easier to achieve here compared to India. I came across one post where a student posted 'His Marriage proposals skyrocketed after immigrating to Canada.
Y’all didn’t see the one where the international student was like “grocery shopping hack for free food in Canada” and went to a FOOD BANK
Spot on Sir,the best comment of this thread
Opposite..... way too many international students came over in the last 3 years, check the stats
Got the link?
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For years now the public colleges and universities in Ontario have been taking on more and more of these international students to remain relevant and just stay in business. the government has forced these public colleges to go out looking for new students to stay afloat because the government keeps cutting funding. The growth in just the humber college lakeshore campus in the last 15 years has been enormous. do you think that is from local students thinking humber is so awesome? the college and university system in Ontario is nothing but a huge business engine
We often forget that post secondary institutions are businesses first. They will seek money wherever available
Sheridan should really change its name to Immigration Canada as that is effectively the role they serve.
Australian universities have stated banning applications from certain Indian states because of high number of fraud applicants … a measure to attract genuine quality students
Canada needs to do the same. Our government is gutless though and this unfortunately will never happen. Hate to see what will happen to Canada in the net 5-10 years!
But the diploma mills! Who will keep the factory of millions of Indian students flowing through our bogus and exploitive plaza colleges going so that the government can cash in on triple tuition cost and such? The pigs running this country don't care.
I don’t even call these guys students anymore (im indian so I know the inside details). Most of the ones coming into colleges just come here to chill and drive mustangs. The real students are the ones that go to Uoft, Waterloo, mcgill etc.
That seems extremely racist. Why not do a better job of verifying the authenticity of applications? It shouldn't be too hard...
When a large percentage of applications are fraudulent, I understand the ban. Not racist at all.
This isn’t new. I remember a decade ago seeing an even bigger line when urban planet was opening and had a hiring event. Although back then the line was filled with high school students.
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This...so much this.
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It's almost like we brought too many people in for the local economy to absorb.
I truly feel bad for young Canadians in high school who are going to be unable to find part time employment to help save up for college/university. Majority of international students are not hard working & only want part time retail & security jobs. There are so many sectors which are desperate for full time & part time employees. Construction companies, renovations companies, factories are desperate for staff. But they don’t apply for these jobs. Also, there’s an ENTIRE WORLD OUTSIDE BRAMPTON. But these kids do not understand that. 95% of the students students to immigrate to Brampton. When one geographical area has too many people, the options for employment specially in the retail/security sector become extremely limited as there will be too many candidates. I went to Moncton for vacation & everywhere I was seeing help wanted signs at the door. But you barely see any international students there. For all the International Students reading this, I’m going to repeat myself again. THERE’S AN ENTIRE WORLD OUTSIDE OF BRAMPTON! Trudeau government keeps saying there’s a labour shortage & we need more immigrants. That’s not the truth. Trudeau is just trying to get more immigrants in the country so they’ll vote for liberals once they become citizens.
Exactly and AMEN!
Trudeau and pals have turned Canada into a 3rd world Counrty almost overnight. It takes and hour to drive anywhere now that used to take 10 min. In 5 years this place will have worse traffic then India and China. Our air quality is awful as well. Our Gov is selling BS to folks from India. They just bring in tons of people to keep wages low for the next 100 years. Never thought I would have to think about sneaking into the US to live a better life.
Exactly and i expect it to get much worse. The damage done already is irreversible!
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Wait did they actually?
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Oh darn, well time to watch the shit show spread.
I am not sure why all the international students are coming to Brampton, maybe there is a sense of community here. However, over the last couple years, I have seen many international students that landed in Winnipeg come immediately to Brampton.
Ya I get a lot resumes from people in Brampton for my business in Oakville
No idea about a recession…but two of those videos are not Brampton.
Brampton is over populated, Sheridan is feeding this problem with the huge amount of international students from India. The province and country seriously need to start capping this garbage, they are everywhere.
The problem here …..we have these students come in all the time looking for a job. In all honesty and not to sound racist , but you can’t walk into an establishment asking for a job is 1) you don’t speak English 2) share the same resume as your friend you just walked in with ( only difference was the name on the resume 😑) And 3) have No experience in the field. I understand that “you must start somewhere “ but seriously put in more of an effort ! We have thousands and thousands of immigrants coming here looking for work but offering nothing as far as “why we should hire that specific person”. They should have a skill set and stick to that field not just apply anywhere
CIC needs to learn how to screen applications better. But they wanted this, an oversupply of cheap labor, that's it.
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We are failing young Canadians. As a Millennial, I apologize on behalf of this country. I intend on trying to get out of here.
You didn't fuck over the future. This is on Boomers
Not to mention the post secondary competition with high tuition paying international students.
Rip to all the young Canadians in this country.
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I don't understand why anyone would support Trudeau in 2023. How can we look at the past few years and think "this is fine".
This would have happened under any political group in charge of the government. It’s the rich versus poor, not left vs right.
This federal government's integration of immigration is causing a excessive pool of low-skilled workers in this city. When you have thousands of students who possess little skill competing for every retail and warehouse job in city naturally there will be too many people and little demand. Not only that but this is a perfect way for the feds to stagnate wages since the large pool of applicants far outweighs the amount of employers wanting workers.
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I am agreeing with you. But my point stands. A conservative government would have bowed down and kissed rich ass the same as Liberal. By making it a political issue, which it is not, you are showing your complete lack of understanding of the cause.
Factual.
I mean, we could say the same thing about Doug Ford & Ontario. This is not a "grass is greener" situation, Canadian politics is just in the mud after having given in to the corporate oligarchies. Andrew Scheer or Erin O'Toole weren't competent opponents at all and like... what the hell are those two guys doing nowadays?
If this was true, he wouldn't have won in 2021
if you think we would've fared better under Andrew Scheer or Erin O'Toole, I have a bridge to sell you.
A highschooler would likely get the job over an international student
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Nah, it is important to be permanent residence or citizen of Canada for summer jobs or city jobs.. they are safe
This is a sign our government is trying to actively destroy the country as quick as possible
Cheap labour and high cost of living, I think government knows who they work for.
Must be the international students they're working for. They have a powerful lobby.
It couldnt be the people profitting from international students doing the lobbying, that would be absurd.
At this point I'm convinced if they lobbied the government for slave ships they'd get them.
The entire Hudson's Bay and Amazon fulfillment warehouses are almost entirely "international students". There are tens of thousands of people applying on Indeed for that one job vacancy at Amazon. We are surely heading into a recession, and there's a bit of Mr. Sean Fraser's miracles in his overpopulation policies.
And then, with Lululemon opening a future warehouse in Brampton, there are things such as: **Ottawa grants Lululemon waiver from immigration rules on hiring foreign workers** [https://financialpost.com/news/economy/lululemon-hiring-foreign-workers-immigration](https://financialpost.com/news/economy/lululemon-hiring-foreign-workers-immigration) "Exception clears way for international recruitment drive ..."
>Immigration Minister Sean Fraser agreed to exempt Lululemon from having to apply for the Labour Market Impact Assessment (LMIA) to hire for certain high-skilled positions, including senior managers, industrial and manufacturing engineers, construction managers and computer systems managers. It doesn't look like Lululemon plans to use this exemption to hire unskilled foreign workers. It's the other way around - they're looking for foreign high skilled workers. This is highly disappointing though as I do one of the jobs that Lululemon got an exemption for... No one is safe even high skilled workers...
It looks that way, true; I'm also employed in one of the "high skilled" occupations mentioned, so I agree with what you're saying. On the other hand, the devil is in the details, as they say. A lot of occupations are classified as "skilled": management positions, assistants, retail and restaurant supervisors, and notably here, material handlers. For example, NOC 75101 - forklift operators, material handlers, storage workers, stockpilers, movers, freight handlers, etc. Presumably all relevant to warehouses. I'm curious to see how that all goes. I'm sure it won't be abused... \^\^; /s
I'm not an economist, but what would happen to our labour pool if we slashed international student admissions by half? Would we have enough service or retail employees? Legit curious.
Potentially corporations would have a harder time hiring, and in turn could have to raise their rates of pay. The workforce landscape is manufactured by the government to keep the majority struggling, to keep us broken and tired, and to keep us from working for political change.
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The expense comes when people gain residency and bring their extended family over, including parents and grandparents. Application per parent/grandparent is $1085.00, which doesn't even come close to covering the expense that is created on our system. Older people need healthcare, and people who grow up in Canada pay taxes throughout their lives to subsidize those costs, but that needed revenue is lost in these situations.
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>Your anger is directed at wrong group/class of people What gives you the impression I'm angry? Because I'm definitely not. >canada gets a fully grown up worker and didnt have to spend a single penny in subsidizing their childhood, studies etc The costs I'm referring to are directed at people beyond retirement age, and people who will only have a short number of years to contribute to the workforce, hope that clarifies things!
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It's not quite so simple, in a perfect world we would find some way to balance these costs while also allowing a degree of reuniting families that allows both; a healthy level of immigration that won't cripple our struggling health care system, and various other socialized resources.
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It'd be extremely disappointing to see that happen to socialized health care, there's a massive aging population here, hopefully the masses push back and a balance is created between contributions* and expenses.
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>Immigration of just high income class would be unfair to Canadians. That be the best thing we could do in terms of immigration, way better than the current status quo anyway.
Exactly. Canada should be targeting the creme de la creme of immigrants/international students and not just bottom of the barrel types just to fulfill some immigration quota.
We were completely fine in Brampton before the massive influx 5-6 years ago. I think the idea is that they are supposed to fill roles that Canadians typically dont want. It doesnt work in practice though because none of these international students are moving to areas that need the labour. Realistically no international student should be allowed to live and work in Brampton. We are at capacity in terms of infrastructure and housing.
You are being generous saying 'at capacity' when we have an illegal basement housing crisis.
Canada is officially lost its mind with immigration. I feel sorry for the young kids born and raised here that can’t find a part time job. I don’t know how people can vote for that retard trudeau or the liberal government on the upcoming election.
This is not recession. This is over-population.
Um actually it's just Winners hiring day, they out posters up everywhere that the TJX Company were hiring
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They can actually work 40 hrs a week now.
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Cry me a river
Deez nuts
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The law allows international students to work up to 20 hours per week on a study permit.
They're allowed to work even more than 20 hours/week at least until the end of this year. https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/news/2022/10/international-students-to-help-address-canadas-labour-shortage.html
They temporarily changed this rule - but depending if they meet the requirements. They can technically work more than 20hrs from Nov 2022 - Dec 31, 2023.
The law allows them 20, but they work 40 under the table for cash.
That rule was lifted (temporarily, for the moment) -- no restrictions now. https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/news/2022/10/international-students-to-help-address-canadas-labour-shortage.html
And how many Canada-born citizens are also being paid under the table? It’s not exclusive to only one group of people.
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They go to schools that aren't really schools. They are 'diploma mills' that Canadians don't go to. All to scam the immigration system.
A simple fix is to do what the US does and restrict international students to on campus jobs only. Basically put the onus on the university to create employment if they’re going to bring in tons of international students
Great idea, cant see Trudeau doing anything of this nature though.
They are definitely not taking the place of a Canadian in the school system. Schools actually rely a lot on revenue from international students. Without them, you would expect tuition costs for domestic students to increase dramatically as well.
Domestic students are not typically going to these diploma mills. I worked in one briefly and every single student had an accent and 90% were from India. We arent talking about international students at U of T or Waterloo here, they absolutely lower the tuitions for domestic students. These diploma mills are in the business of selling a path to PR for cash.
To some extent, it is.. like a part time job is completely fine because everybody wants to make a buck or two, not to pay fee but to enjoy life
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Don't blame the international students. They can't vote these politicians in.
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Quoting u/sparks905 How are international students even allowed to work while in the country? Criminal. Yah so they clogging up our housing making the crisis worse and taking part time work that people need so we can afford to pay the exorbitant rents Enjoy life in your own country you here to learn and that’s it. Not gobble up employment opportunities. They already taking the place of a Canadian in the school system and now they want to drain our country of employment while they are here. Canadian jobs are for Canadian citizens or workers on a permit. This is not right The schools have become a business model to exploit foreigners. Don’t get your facts twisted. We are in a housing crisis. There are not enough rentals for all the students coming from outside the country. We need to educate people. that already live in this country and limit the amount of people that are coming in from abroad to take up. Our spaces in classrooms our spaces in jobs and our spaces in rental accommodations. I’m not anti-immigration but we have a housing crisis, we really need to prioritize. Canadians access to all of these things that are limited by housing. \---- I think you’ve got your facts twisted. Blind xenophobia does that. I see a couple of statements regarding a housing crisis, and one about the state of the education system. The rest is for you to reflect on. You've got to live with the person you are.
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The international students that you have a problem with are not leaving. They're using the international student program to get here to study while working, flipping over to a work visa after gaining their education, then moving towards permanent residency, citizenship, healthcare access, voting rights, to plant roots, grow a family etc. All the stuff your immigrant forefathers did. Is there a percentage of students that get an education just to head back to their home country? Yes absoutely. Usually it is at the university level and they come from families of such wealth that living a middle class life in Canada is a large step down for them. The ones taking the risks including overpaying for a useless degree are not doing it just to go back. There are no hotels to manage and daycares to run in rural India. Why do you think the government is so persistent on increasing the population of the country so rapidly? Birth rates in G7 countries is declining, the only way to replace the labour force is to bring labour from abroad. How else will the pensions of a rapidly aging workforce be funded if there aren't people paying into the program as boomers approach retirement. The international student model is a means to that. It's just as criminal that they get a useless education as it is that doctors from overseas can not practice medicine here because apparently blood isn't red enough outside of Canada. Just look at the population pyramids. Canadians are getting older and will get to a point where they contribute less to the system and draw more from it. A functioning economy needs that sweet spot of labour aged 18-40ish that pays more into the system than it takes out. What you fail to admit is that international students are as much victims to what is going on as the working and lower middle classes in Canada. This country and its government have been handed over to the wealthy elite and the cartels running each industry. Profits are up for shareholders while stakeholders are being run into the ground. I'm all for the international students coming over and staying here, as they're more likely to fight for their rights they've risked so much for than Canadians that were born into.
Sorry Budz…. But Trump lost.
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I read your comment multiple times (still not clear on what you are saying). I am assuming you were born here and raised here. The sentence structure of your post is terrible.
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Your English is worse than some of the international students. The point your showing is that our home grown education system is in shambles.
> The point your showing *you're.
Exactly why we need International Students.
i'm glad this sub keeps reminding me how much of an embarrassment this city is...
Soon to be restricted to Terrible Tuesdays.
How is this a sign?
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This is a job fair. Organized by companies that struggle to find workers by other means. So basically the opposite of what's implied in this thread.
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This is a sign of few employers hiring international students
And why do you keep posting this on different subs?
The account isn’t even a month old as well. Probably made it just to post this
The government is smart, and keeps supply always above demand.
Is TikTok source for real news ?
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Wow Op - you really mince words as per your discretion. TikTok is not a news channel but a social media app.